Black Christmas (1974)

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[00:00:22] DoesTheDogDye.com first to check for any triggers before listening. Today we're talking about one of the first ever slasher films, 1974's Black Christmas. Let's get spooky. So that could come with a summary? Yes, please.

[00:00:40] Alright, so out of sorority house, someone calls in and when the girls answer, they realize it's a recurring color the girls have nicknamed TheMona for his inappropriate calls.

[00:00:52] After this, one of the girls Claire decides to go out to her bedroom to pack for winter break, however she's killed in a room by the collar. The next day, Claire's father arrives and he and the sorority members were put or missing to the police and started search.

[00:01:04] That night, while the girls are searching for Claire, their house mother actually discovers Claire's body up in the attic, but she's killed by the attacker as well.

[00:01:14] One of the girls answers another one of the attacker's calls and she decides that she's going to have the police tap the line and try to trace it to identify the color.

[00:01:22] Later, while Jess is listening to some carolers, another of the sorority girls is killed upstairs in her room. The sounds kind of drowned out by the singing children. Jess receives another call and the color repeats back part of the conversation that she had with her boyfriend Peter earlier.

[00:01:38] And the call was too short to trace, she and the police kind of start to suspect Peter because the color knew what they had talked about. After locking at the house, one of the last sorority members is killed after finding another girl's body.

[00:01:51] Jess answers another call and this time the police are able to trace it. They tell her to leave because the call is coming inside the house. Jess is not knowing that her friends are already dead, doesn't want to leave without them and tries to get them.

[00:02:05] But she's confronted by the killer and she's chased into the basement where she locks herself inside. Soon after Peter arrives and he breaks into the basement trying to find Jess, he asks if she's okay but in a state of panic she beats Peter to death.

[00:02:17] The police find her holding his dead body and believing him to be the killer, they put her to bed and leave her alone in the bedroom. However, the killer's voice is then heard from the attic revealing that Peter was not in fact the killer.

[00:02:29] And as the camera pans out from the house, the phone begins to ring. Yeah, and that's black Christmas. That's black Christmas. Yeah, what do you think? That's fun. This is like, I mean this is one of the first slasher I think only four came before it.

[00:03:00] Paper and Tom psycho, a baby blood and Texas chainsaw basket. So it kind of like was a blueprint of sorts, you know, along with the others. It kind of paved the way for other slasherers to come after it. Yeah, it really do be walking so Halloween be running.

[00:03:27] Okay. I think this is a Halloween good work. Yikes. Oh, that's it all of Halloween sequels. This movie has two sequels. Thank you very much. I said all of Halloween sequels. Actually it doesn't seem like he didn't make. Yeah. And they were both. Terrible.

[00:03:58] I know, like remixer always bad. I can't stress enough how. Really? They are almost unwatching. Anybody interesting in them? The 2006 what is like kind of star studded is got Katie Cassidy Mary Elizabeth Winsed. Casey Shabair from meme girls.

[00:04:25] Michelle tracked and she will actually like stars that and they bring back. Oh, shit. What's her name? She's in this. Let me look. Let me look. Andrea Martin who plays Phil. She comes back and plays the house mother in the remake.

[00:04:50] So it is. But without like spending too much time on that movie, there was a lot of like studio interference with what they wanted to do because the director actually knew Bob Clark the director of the original and like had his blessing to do a remake.

[00:05:05] And he wanted to be like. Really faithful to the original. But studio interference like caused them to go in a completely different direction and like even he has said like, I don't know if this is terrible because of what they did do it.

[00:05:18] So because they just like got it. So yeah, and then the 2019 one is worse. It's it was really that. No. Well. Yeah, but you know what this was really bad. Yeah. It wasn't even bad. It was good. You mentioned how that we know.

[00:05:48] And there's a fun fact about this that I wanted to tell you about. No. And that is that there is kind of a rumor about this film that Bob Clark the director had an idea for a sequel, where a year later,

[00:06:07] a killer would escape from an asylum and come back on Halloween and two people. And he wanted to call it Halloween. And apparently he told this idea to John Garbender who would have few years later go on to make. Halloween.

[00:06:28] I'm happy about a killer who escapes in the asylum and comes back again. But that's a rumor. That's what people say. What people? There's like, I don't know. Like in Hollywood.

[00:06:47] Like there's articles that say like, yeah, Bob Clark had this idea for a sequel and you told it to John Garbender. But like, I guess Bob Clark said like, oh, I don't think he meant to rip anything. Oh, so I don't know. So it goes. Halloween's a sham.

[00:07:07] Wow. Yeah. Well, I don't know what to think. I don't know what to think. I've never spoken to John Garbender. Yeah. Really do like him. I know you didn't really do like Halloween. Yeah, I know you do. It was what was paving the way for future slasher's.

[00:07:38] I'm kidding. You can't really discredit the ones that came before it. Well, no, of course not. But it was the one that took off for sure, for sure for sure. I mean, psycho was a death with took off. It did well.

[00:07:59] I mean, this one we did well too. I mean, it made twice its budget. It did. But it wasn't like a super, like box office head and it was received really negatively when it first came out. It first came out like pretty crazy.

[00:08:12] And then it kind of developed a cold following and critics re-emaluated it and we're like never mind, this is a classic. Yeah, a lot of horror movies do that though. Yeah. Like you know, other than like Disney channel original movies or like horror movies come

[00:08:34] out and they people are like, oh my god, it sucks. And then 20 years later, they were watching and I'm like, oh my god, wait, that was actually really good. Yeah, I feel like some of them. Yeah. Well yeah, not all of them. Some of them.

[00:08:47] Yeah, but we've definitely seen that happen before where movies just kind of came out a little bit before it's time. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, this, uh, a lot of people interpreted the sub plot of this movie where Jess is choosing to have

[00:09:10] an abortion despite Peter not wanting her to do that. As a very feminist statement, this movie came out a year after Roe V Wade. So a lot of people were like, oh they're taking like a political stance and Bob Clark and they were writing

[00:09:25] it around the time that it would have been happening then exactly. Yeah, um, Bob Clark, the director in the Olivia Hussie, please just were like, no, I was just like, something we thought people could like, we could talk about in between the murder. So it wasn't their attention.

[00:09:43] But I feel like we've talked a lot about like intention and versus impact before, like I remember in episode of martyrs, a lot of people felt that it was kind of sexist and like the director was like, that was not my intention at all.

[00:09:57] But like at some point like intention doesn't matter if enough people kind of think that. And I think it's kind of the same here like it doesn't really matter if they intended to be a feminist movie.

[00:10:08] It kind of just is because they decided to include this woman who in the 70s wants a abortion is going to have an abortion. He's there trying to propose and she's like, I got to work on my school in my career. Like, I'm not doing this right now.

[00:10:24] So sorry, Bob Clark, it doesn't matter what you want. This is a feminist slash. Yeah, and the fact that that is the exact opposite of the consensus. At the time, of course people are going to think it's a feminist movie. Like, oh yeah. It's yeah. For sure.

[00:10:50] Deli Bob. I know. But even he like he had a strict rule when he was writing the, uh, the women characters that like, he never wanted to objectify them sexually or have any new scenes because you wanted them to be real people

[00:11:06] and not just disposable horror characters like waiting to die. It's like even like in the process of writing it, he was kind of looking at it differently than a lot of people making slushers back then where they're like, let's show some titties. Let's have her die. That was,

[00:11:24] yeah. And you know, right at the 13th and Halloween even and you know, a lot of movies back then that it was like, you had sex and then you die. Not here, not in this sorority house. No.

[00:11:41] In this sorority house you have abortions and you kill your boyfriend. Exactly. The way the good Lord and 10. No. Um, you know, no that, I mean that whole thing was like, oh god, I hate him so much. I hated Peter.

[00:12:00] Oh, my god, everything out of his mouth is trying to punch him in the fucking face. Yeah, he got his tongue. Yeah. Um, so there was a lot of like tension building there which was. I'm curating, but um,

[00:12:15] but no it was refreshing to have a like powerful female character who was like, oh no, I'm not doing this. I want to prioritize my career. I don't need to get married right now. It's just not in the cards for me. Yeah. Um, yeah.

[00:12:33] I was super refreshing because in any other movie, it would have she very well would have been having that baby. Yeah. 100% Yeah, just was described as the best final gore, Goral. What am I grew from the mediums? I know. Final Goral. Yeah, best final gore in history.

[00:12:57] No, she was just got into this final girl in horror history by, a 2016 list published by entered entertainment magazine, based. But at least someone out there thought this is the best final girl ever. I don't disagree with who I've seen like she's kind of killing it.

[00:13:25] Yeah, she's out there. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't think she's a final gore. I did it too. I didn't want to say it for you to gore. Um, I don't think she's living much longer past the end of this movie if I'm being honest. Okay.

[00:13:43] So you're part of the, uh, the people that think that she died. Well, I mean, I don't think she died at the end of the movie. I think she died. Oh, okay. Soon after the end of the movie. Okay.

[00:13:57] So some people think that the ambiguous ending means that just died. Because he calls after every murder and as it's panning out, you hear the phone ring. So like people thought that died, right?

[00:14:09] They thought that that implied that he had come in the room and killed her and was calling to confess basically. So that's like a, a fan theory. Bob Clark had,

[00:14:23] like wanted to do a sequel and he had wanted her to come back and be like the sorority house mother. So I don't know the director apparently thought she lived because he wanted to do a sequel, but the ending does.

[00:14:35] I could see how that would imply that she died. So who's to say? Not me. Yeah, I didn't put those pieces together, but that makes even more sense. Like, I definitely thought that she died because like he was still in the house. Right. Yeah.

[00:14:51] But I didn't put pieces together that she was like actively dying as the movie was ending because the phone ring. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. It does. Add me to that fan theory. The levers list. I like it.

[00:15:05] Yeah, this studio even like they pushed for a more conclusive ending too because they didn't like that kind of left into interpretation. And they even suggested they were like, Oh, like have Claire's boyfriend. He revealed his killer because he's like one of the last people in her life.

[00:15:23] And Bob Clark was like, this guy was with the police the whole time searching for Claire. Like it doesn't make any sense as a huge plot hole. Like he couldn't have done it. So no, he basically was just like, we're keeping it out. Sorry.

[00:15:37] But and it was correct because that's part of the reason why it's such a like, cool classic. People loved that it was in big of us. Yeah. It. It's the perfect example of an ambiguous ending because you know who the killer is. Like you have closure.

[00:15:53] Like you have some sort of closure, but it's still open and ended enough that you it makes you think. Right. You know, like, who is this guy? Why is he doing this? Like yeah. And like did he like who all did he kill? Like what?

[00:16:07] Part of he play in all of it exactly exactly. Yeah. For sure. Just a little bit. Yeah. So like that. Whereas some ambiguous endings are like, who was the killer? Like what was the whole point of this movie? Like right. I'm not when this was. Yeah. For sure.

[00:16:22] Yeah. Yeah. I felt like it was a well done ending. What's happening? Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't going to have that at all. Yeah. But I was. However. Oh, wait. Go. What? Complaining about the beginning. Yeah. You were very upset with the past. Yeah.

[00:16:41] I was so annoyed with the beginning of this movie. We watched it with a group of friends in discord. And it just felt so I don't know if it was because I was like working at this

[00:16:48] am time or what, but it just felt so slow at the beginning. It was just so ready for people start dying. Like it just. I don't know if it was like the tension wasn't being built. Like there wasn't enough tension being built.

[00:17:07] Or if it wasn't being built fast enough. I don't know. But there was something just off about the pacing for me. But once it like hit its dried. Honestly, about the time that like. Yes, and Peter started having like the talks about the pregnancy. Yeah.

[00:17:24] That was about where like okay. It picked up. There's a character that I can really hate. And there's a character that I can really love. And yeah. Yeah. That's where it picked up for me. But yeah. I mean, that's definitely fair. I didn't have that problem.

[00:17:37] I don't mind if it's like a little bit slow Bernie. Um. So yeah, I didn't feel that but I definitely could see how you would. It's interesting because I watched this movie for the first time like a few years ago.

[00:17:52] So not like it was after I had seen a lot of horror movies and already kind of gotten into it. That I was like, oh, here's this movie that's like a classic I should watch it.

[00:18:01] And I remember when I watched it, I was like, oh my god, this is kind of like a different type of take on a slasher. Even though like this is a blueprint for slasher. Right? Like this was one of the first.

[00:18:13] I'm not really different because it was already done, but to me it felt so different because like nobody knows there's a slasher. Like everybody's just like going on with their lives, not knowing that like all their friends are dead.

[00:18:25] And so to me, I was like, oh wait, that's kind of like a unique take on it even though it was like the fourth take on it. So I wasn't like, yeah. But yeah.

[00:18:36] But you know, nobody's like running around screaming and writing a cheese by the killer until the very end. You're not trying to figure out who it is because you don't know that something's wrong. Yeah, right. They don't and that hasn't been like reproduced much since then either.

[00:18:56] Yeah, there's not like very many examples I can think of that do with that. I haven't seen any. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. So about two weeks before this movie was supposed to have it's like prime time network debut debut.

[00:19:21] Going to be on NBC, we're going to play it at Florida State University, Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy were murdered because someone broke into their sorority house. And attacked and killed them. And then after that, they also attacked their two housemates, Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner. They survived.

[00:19:46] Um, but I think they had like lifelong sustained injuries because of it probably mentally as well. And then also a nearby apartment, a Cheryl Thomas was attacked and assaulted as well. She also lived.

[00:20:00] Yeah, do the public outreach. NBC pulled the plug. They did not show it because a lot of people were saying that this movie inspired the killer to do that. The killer was later identified as Ted Bundy.

[00:20:14] So I think they realized that that probably wasn't the inspiration he's just a shit back of a person. But still really fucked up that that uh that that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, um, horrible timing. Yeah. And they released on TV anyway. They did.

[00:20:37] Well, they knew that I'd been. Yeah, that was like I think the couple years later was a thing to that. Oh yeah. Yeah, at that time they pulled it which I mean makes sense.

[00:20:48] Like that's happened in other movies too where like movies get delayed or push back because of like, World of it. Was it scream that got pushed back because of Colin that? No, that was later.

[00:20:58] Some movie got pushed back because Colin might happen in this about like kids like high school kids dying. So they had to push it back. So like it's happened before where like these national tragedies happened and then movies get pushed back

[00:21:10] because they have similar content or something like that. I think it was scream. I don't think so because didn't Colin that happened in 1999 and screaming about 1996. Am I right on that? I feel like we've talked about it. Yeah, I feel like it was a movie we talked about.

[00:21:27] The yeah Colin might happen in 1999. So it must have been like a 2000s movie or 1999 movie or something like that. Interesting apps? Maybe it might have been ginger snaps. Yeah, I remember us talking about that though on, yeah, we definitely did. Yeah.

[00:21:48] I think you might be right. I think you might have been ginger snaps. Yeah. Have a more darker mood killer. Sorry. Yeah, I want to have you or not. Yeah. Olivia Hasse. Was going to be in Roxanne? Roxanne. That's the one with Steve Martin. Oh.

[00:22:18] Yeah and Steve Martin. Oh my god. I am your biggest fan. I love you in one of your movies. Can't wait to work with you kind of thing. You just like, yeah, thanks so much. This is like before they started shooting for Roxanne. Yeah.

[00:22:34] And she was under the impression it was like for her performance in room. You went to the yet. Like as you would. Oh, you know. It was this. Yeah. Steve Martin has seen this movie like hundreds of times. You like. You like that.

[00:22:50] Wait, that makes me like Steve Martin more. He's just a horror girl. We have to see him. He really is. Yeah. That's really funny though. I feel like that would be me meeting like 90% of Hollywood. I feel like, oh, I love you in this movie.

[00:23:05] It's just like the niches role. Yes. Yeah. The one that they forgot they were even in. Yeah. Yeah. What's the girl to do? She wasn't even going to take this role either until she talked to her psychic. She just has one on call.

[00:23:29] I guess she did at the time. Back in the 70s. Her psychic was like, yeah, you should take this role. It's going to be very lucrative for you. You did. And it wasn't. But. You had a good time. You probably said it. You're lucrative.

[00:23:48] People have like got like royalties off of their right? I guess I'm sure she did. But. Yeah. I'm going to a psychic to decide my life for me so that I did not responsible if things go wrong.

[00:24:05] My friend from high school and I went to a psychic to tell us what our jobs were going to be. I used to work on. Well, though, up in insula. There are several psychics in that strip of the links down there. Yeah.

[00:24:22] And they said that she would work with paper. So you're so big. Yeah, but she became a patent lawyer. Okay. So she wasn't wrong. And they said I would. Yeah. I'm really interested. You are good at computer. I literally have to get things notarized sometimes. I still work.

[00:24:42] Okay. Anyway, and they said that I would work with children. And you know the people that I work with. So you're right about me too. We have to cut that out. Do we? Hello, co-workers. You want to know what I'm doing. Yeah, I was.

[00:25:08] I think that's my problem with. With psychics is that it's always so vague. Like you could literally interpret it. Oh, for you. Sorry. I remember my work one time brought in for Halloween. They brought in like tarot card readers.

[00:25:25] And it was so funny because the first girl was like, Oh, like this card means that you're like very in touch with your spirituality. Like I can just feel that emanating from you. Like you're a very spiritual person. And she just looks at me and I was like,

[00:25:40] I'm literally the least spiritual person. I'm so sorry to like show on your parade. But like wrong. Incorrect. And then the second way to say it too. So I went to the other girl and she was like, Hmm.

[00:25:56] Yes, these cards are telling you that you should follow your dreams. And I was like, that's great. You could say that to any mother fucker on the street. Like what are you talking about? That's not reading my fortune. That's just saying follow your dream.

[00:26:08] Like yeah, my mom tells me that too. Like I don't hear no different than her. Like what do you mean? Yeah. I just don't buy it. Yeah, you collect tarot card. Yeah, I think they're fun. They're cute. I like the aesthetic of the spiritual world.

[00:26:29] But I don't believe in it, which makes it kind of more fun. Because it's just like, it's not for real real. It's for play play. So I can just like play with the wittyboard and not be worried about like demons coming to my house. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:26:48] See how much fun it is? Oh. Okay. I think it's funny. Anyway. I think it was back to my kids. Yeah. Oh, what? Sorry. I have very important news about this movie. No. The character of the... No. Just from the script. Barb.

[00:27:14] The character of Barb was intended to be bisexual. There's just like very small clues to it. But she's like seen reading like playboy magazines throughout. Which are of women. And then. But she also talks about her experiences with ex-boyfriends and stuff like that.

[00:27:35] So the intention, although very subtle, was that she was bisexual and she's interested in, you know, all the genders. Interesting. Yeah. Very progressive movie for the 70s. I know, right? They still killed the gay, but that's fine. I think they killed most of the killed. Almost everybody.

[00:28:00] So yeah. I'll take it. Yeah. This was kind of before like very your games became a real problem too. So. Right. Right. You know, that's never would have noticed that. Yeah. Me neither. But I read about it afterwards and I was like, oh, go off Barb. That's true.

[00:28:27] Oh, no. Uh, the phone calls were done in post. Yes. We talked about that. Yeah. I gave that some factor during our watch together. Yes. Um, but yeah, during shooting, they were just reacting to like Bob Clark off camera. Just saying stuff.

[00:28:46] And he was like really tame with it because he didn't want them to have like. Huge reactions. He kind of wanted them to see none because it's supposedly someone who's like called multiple times and said, we're shit.

[00:28:58] So they're just kind of like, oh, here he is again, you know? Um, and afterwards, who was like, let's just have them be fucking weirdish. Yeah. Which like two things. One, is it weirder to react to your director?

[00:29:18] Just saying like random shit or is it more like natural natural to like react to what's actually supposed to be happening? I don't know. I don't know. I feel like if the thinking about it from my perspective, I don't even know if it would matter. I guess.

[00:29:38] But I do think if I was listening to them like say some of the stuff, I might start laughing. Go to the other one. It's really vulgar. But like if you knew the guy who was doing it and you're just like, stop. That's weird. Yeah.

[00:29:54] Well, especially if you saw him doing it because I guess he would be like, he was like upside down, like on his head. He tried to get his diaphragm, like compress his lungs. So he would sound got a roll.

[00:30:07] Yeah, they make it really like a raspy and creepy. He would just stand on the sofa doing it. So yeah, I'd be fucking cackling if that was happening. Yeah, true. So yeah. Anyway, that was thing one.

[00:30:19] And then thing two, if they had gotten so many phone calls that they're supposed to be like immune to it by now. And he has like this nickname already. Like how many people has he killed and has he killed them all from inside the house?

[00:30:36] I doubt the way I think about it is like, and this is just a theory that I came up with in the 30 seconds ago. As I was asking the question. No, I just think about that when I was reading about like the movie and stuff too.

[00:30:53] I was like, oh yeah, they're supposed to be numb to this. So I had the same question. And I just kind of thought like maybe he starts calling the next house. Like while he's still at the old house or something like that,

[00:31:04] like he's killing like the last few people who call the next place or something like that. So like, I don't know, maybe he was just calling them as his next victims and then went there or something like that. You know what I mean? I don't know.

[00:31:16] But Jess would have been the last person in the, Well, no, it was like then. Press the players boyfriend was still in there. The police were still in there like we don't know how many people are still going to kill.

[00:31:26] Yes, we don't even know if the caller was him. It could have been like one of their parents or something. I think it's implied that it's him. But he still lied. You don't know. That's what an ambiguous ending means. It means draw your own conclusions. Hmm. Hmm.

[00:31:50] I don't know, man. I didn't write it. We happened to the cat, or the way. We lived happily ever after. How scary do you think it was? A wand. It is what it is. You know, it was still fun, little slasher, but not super scary. What about you?

[00:32:21] Same. One. One. One. All right, you wanted to well in the cat thing because you're right. And lived happily ever after and that's the end of it. Yeah, of course we just, that's how we think of it. It's a big difference. You're on empty. Yes.

[00:32:35] Yeah, no, it was not scary. Not even a little bit. Yeah. It was the Christmas happy fun time. Yeah, so we're all. Which I wish it was a little more Christmas. Like I wish he had like killed somebody with an iceigle or like,

[00:32:53] we're going to Santa hat or. Round and hot chocolate, you know? Yeah. I don't know if this is really like a Christmas movie more, it's more so like a movie that takes place at Christmas. Like he's got a killer who's like inspired by the holiday season.

[00:33:14] He's just like happens to be available to kill them all at Christmas. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like how people are like like every way many mead is like, oh, I heard my favorite Christmas movie. Like it's not a Christmas movie. It takes place at Christmas.

[00:33:29] It's different. Yeah. Well, maybe if his favorite movie wasn't, I hard then it would have been a little bit more of a Christmas. He would have been a little bit more inspired. Yeah. He was killing his Christmas killings. You could have strangled her with wrapping paper.

[00:33:46] It would have surrounded. Well, that'll just break though. Movie magic. But it. We allow some liberties. I wouldn't. Even when people are getting strangled by plastic, I'm like, hey, just pop a hole in it. Like right? What are you doing, babe? Yeah. You deserve it. You'd be fine.

[00:34:15] For the little bow on her head. Again, I just don't think he's a Christmas killer. He's just someone killing around Christmas. Oh, black Christmas. It wasn't originally. That kind of was the idea of having a Christmas movie. Just a movie. Didn't like it that much.

[00:34:39] They should have leaned into it. Oh, yeah. Because the holiday themed movie Halloween has so many Halloween inspired kills. What is he killing with the pumpkin? Well, it's set on Halloween the day. Oh, I'm sorry. This is not so. And not the day.

[00:35:03] So why should the be more Christmas? Please. Because I want it to be. I want Halloween to be more Halloweeny. That is well within your right. Thank you. Not arguing with you. How sexy to you. I'm a little bit. Okay. Just a little, a two. A two. Okay.

[00:35:27] What was sexy about it? Well, I mean, now that you tell me there's a buy character in it, I have to. That's. Yeah. Um, but I mean, Ran rap is. Interesting. I knew it was coming, but it's still hurt. It hurt? No, no, no, I'm just kidding.

[00:35:53] I'm kidding. You? I give you 1.5 for Barb the buy. It's not a very sexy slasher though, is it? It's like a running one of the least sexy slasher killers. I think I've ever seen. Billy is not. It. There's no running. There's no hiding. There's no panting. I know.

[00:36:22] And Jess is boyfriend sucks. It's like not even sexy. He's just a terrible person and also they're trying to convince us. He's like a 20 year old college. A person in the man's clear. Like he's clearly a 40 year old man. So like, I don't know what.

[00:36:34] I don't know what that was about. But. Also piano mutilation is not it. Oh yeah, he destroyed the look at 40,000 dollar piano. Yeah, I like to think that they like suit his mistake. As a 40. Any other mistake? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:02] Um, how's like that did you think it was? And like though hooks are the throat thing. We had that in the. That other one. Yeah, you don't like that. Yeah. No, that's uncomfortable. Yeah. Uh, to one and a half. I also gave it a one and a half.

[00:37:22] What did you give it a half or? Uh, I give it a half a point for like the first film call because it's like kind of uncomfortable. Yeah. It's like. Usually like, well, Dirty does not. Like offend me. But it was kind of a lot.

[00:37:40] And there was like some like noises that were being named that I was kind of like, Ooh, I would have hung up our right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why they just stood there listening to it. I don't know.

[00:37:55] If it happened like all the time, you'd probably think it was funny. Like Barb was clearly like having a good time. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the whole like Peter thing also. He was fucked up. Yeah, Peter sucks. Yeah, he's so good. Yeah. Boop, Peter. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Overall.

[00:38:23] Yeah, overall. I don't know. Didn't love it. I know. But I didn't hate it. Right? I would watch it again. Okay. But it didn't really put me in the Christmas spirit. You know? Yeah. I really wanted to be, I really wanted to be putting the Christmas. Hmm. Yeah.

[00:38:47] I like our Christmas movie. Yeah. Um, give it. I'll give it a 2.5. Wrong. But okay. What did you give it? That's 3.5. Okay. I checked out. Yeah. I'm not like, I mean, we've already like, we've already already.

[00:39:09] But I'm not a super big fan of a lot of the classics. Like, I can respect them for what they did for the genre, but like, maybe not from me personally. This one is, that's it's for me. I like this one.

[00:39:22] This is probably one of my favorite side of the classics. I just think it's aged well. Like, it's still like pretty feminist. Like it's not like, I don't know. It's just not what you expect for a movie that came out of this time, especially

[00:39:35] when like other slasher is worth. They came after it. We're like doing the opposite, you know? And so the fact that this came out first and was still like more progressive than someone was it came after it? I enjoy.

[00:39:48] And I feel like it kind of had a more well, well established, like side plots then a lot of the other ones too. So, no, no. Yeah, I enjoy it. I think it's a romp. It certainly is a romp. Maybe I'm a fucking hypocrite.

[00:40:11] We're liking it less than Halloween. When I hate movies without plots and Halloween has less of a plot than this movie does. I did say that to you while we were watching it. You were like, they're just talking, well, we're all the murder.

[00:40:26] And I was like, first someone could play in Wisconsin. But, well, maybe not having a plot. You sure do hate this plot, don't you? Yeah. Cause it was just movies, oh fucking slow. Like, a lot faster. Yeah.

[00:40:41] I think also, well, like, it's like mid-summer kind of has a slow start. I mean, that's a two and a half hour movie which is crazy because it doesn't feel like it.

[00:40:50] I was thinking, like, we just kind of came off of like when he will lurks too where it's like, that movie's just kind of go, go, go the whole time. That doesn't slow down. Yeah.

[00:41:01] So, I could see how you'd kind of be in the mood for a faster pace. Yeah, I just wanted some like jingle bells, you know? The bells are there. It wasn't like Christmas yet enough for you. All right. Would you survive it? No. Yeah.

[00:41:27] No, I don't think so. Cause I don't leave the house. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm pretty easy. Pretty easy target. I think that's fair. And I... Yeah, I... Like, I'm taking me. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm trying to remember. What about you? I'm surviving.

[00:41:58] I think if I'm just, I'm surviving. Because the second police call and say, hey, you need to leave he's in the house. Bye. I'm gone. I'm out of there. I'm saying, hey, barbon fill. I'm heading out. You guys should too. Meet you outside. And then I'm going outside.

[00:42:18] I'm not going up there when they don't respond. That means they're fucking dead. So I gotta go. If I'm anyone else, I'm dead. Because they really didn't have a warning that someone was even in the house, right? And so statistically, I'm gonna have to say that I died.

[00:42:37] Yeah. It's kind of the same as like, Friday the 13th. Oh my God. Friday the 13th. They didn't really know someone. No, I'm just kidding. They did. They just didn't know as a woman. And then a family. For a little bit.

[00:42:52] But I feel like there's always like a couple of kills at the beginning where they don't know. And then they find out and everything goes to shit. Yeah. But I think I said that in that too, where I'm like, if I'm her, yeah, I can take Pamela. Yeah.

[00:43:04] But if I'm anybody else, and it's like a sneak attack, like a little bitch, then no. And I think I said no one that one. So I'll say no on this one too.

[00:43:13] It's unlikely that I'm gonna be the last one because knowing me, I'm already in my bedroom because I get fatigued when I have to do large gatherings. And so I would probably be like, oh, I'm more now. I'm gonna hit the hay. Well, also.

[00:43:29] You saying, I mean, yes, I agree with you 100%. Thank you. But you saying that you're just and you get the phone call saying you need to leave. Yeah. And you just leave. Remember, she couldn't get out the front door. That's why she went to the basement.

[00:43:44] I think she just didn't have time to get out at that point though because he was right behind her. I think it was more of like a, she couldn't get the lock on done before he was at, like, by her so she had to divert. Oh, yeah.

[00:43:59] So I think if she had left before she even was confronted by him, he wouldn't have been fine. Just wait outside until he leaves get there. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So statistically we're dead because we're sleeping.

[00:44:13] Statistically it's unlikely that I would still be the last one, not in my room. So I'd probably die. Okay, fair. Yeah. Would you like to predict next week's film? Already? We can talk about other stuff first if you look. No, I mean yes. Um, let's.

[00:44:44] Oh, well, just to keep him a holiday spirit. We have another Christmas Eve movie. Ish. It's called crepis. Ish? Well, you know, crepis isn't. Traditional crepis, but it's Christmas ask. Okay. I hope it'll be more Christmasy for me too. Me too. Um. I don't think it is. Yeah.

[00:45:14] Um, but wait, isn't. Isn't our next episode like a fun episode? Yeah, do you want to tell people or do you want me to? No, I want to tell people. Okay, tell them one next episode is. Next episode is our 50th episode. 50. I can't believe it.

[00:45:40] So we're celebrating with a special guest. Um, Steph from chasing childhood podcasts is going to be joining us. We are so excited to have her. Um, and yeah, we're going to be. Are you about crepis? Yeah, we should say Steph picked it too.

[00:46:00] So we're excited to have her on. We're excited to have her pick. I'm hooked. Yeah. And crepis, if you didn't know is about. Here we go. A monster. He, okay, so he's like a kind of like a furry.

[00:46:23] Um, a black furry monster that he reminds me of the monsters in the Scooby-Doo movie. Okay, but like black and furry with horns. And like long nails. Yeah. And kind of like walks like on like his knuckles kind of like.

[00:46:47] But like his back legs are shorter than his arms, you know? Okay, yeah. That's like what crepis is. And he's got the horns. He kinda looks like gody. Gody. We're done. Oh, she's like a draw. What I'm.

[00:47:03] I wish you love that too, draw it and then we can post that on our social meds. I won't. Oh, I'm getting one to that. But maybe I could. Maybe I will. Um, I'll put on Instagram stories so it's not. I truly am. Perfect. Um.

[00:47:26] Okay, so that that that covers that piece. So we know what he looks like. Um, I think it's kids. I think there's kids and they are. Uh, whisked away. Wow, from their homes on Christmas morning. Yeah. They're all the naughty kids.

[00:47:46] We're doing the naughty, nice list thing again. Yeah, that trope. Yep. I really want that trope to happen. You know, we're. One day. Yeah, all the not so you're still I'm wrong. I didn't say if that day was going to be next week or no. Okay.

[00:48:01] Um, so all the naughty kids are whisked away. Um, to crampus is layer. Mm-hmm. And they have to prove themselves to crampus through a series of. Psychological tests and physical tests. Oh, my god. It's like Christmas. Good games. Sort of. Okay. I was thinking more like Christmas playground.

[00:48:24] The book. The book. Yeah. Because it's horror. I hope. Um, and um, but it's like, it's like. Candy came through the throat. And drowning in hot chocolate. Yeah. Christmas. Christmasy death count. Christmasy death counts. Yes. Yes. Um, and only one of them survives.

[00:48:49] And he rides home on the back of crampus. And as he rides home on crampus's back, he turns into a majestic reindeer. Oh, my god. Yep. Wow. That's crampus. I'm super excited to watch that. It's like an artsy movie though. It sounds really stupid. Oh, okay.

[00:49:19] But if I had explained, I made summer to you without any context outside of it. Yeah. Yeah. I might sound funny too. Yeah. Great. Can we? That's crampus. That's crampus. So glad to step you over there. Same. Do you know who it stars?

[00:49:44] Do you know anybody in this though? I mean, you do, but I'm just wondering if you know what you know. Who's so? No. Um, do you need to veto as crampus? I hope. I thought I wish. Yeah. No. Who's in it? It stars Adam Scott. Oh.

[00:50:09] And Tony collect. Wait, is it a comedy or is it a war? It is a horror comedy. Huge. Yeah. So it's just a little bit more like black comedy, but yeah. Okay. It's got that element in there for you. Huge. Yeah. Adam Scott and it would hope so.

[00:50:29] Yeah. Funny guy. Yes, a funny guy. Isn't he? Yeah. Yeah. I'm super excited. Me too. Yeah. Me too. That's crazy. We're almost out of year and, uh, you're excited. Wild. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We'll see you then. Bye. There it is. All right.

[00:50:57] Well, that wraps it up for today. If there are any movies you'd like to hear us talk about or you'd like to traumatize me with, please let us know in the comments or shoot us a DM on our socials at KillerCudies. podcast. Thanks so much for listening.

[00:51:09] Next week we're so excited to say is our 50th episode. So to celebrate our guest star stuff has chosen the 2015 horror comedy film Brand This. We hope to see you then. Bye.