Horror News
👻 Forbidden Planet getting a reboot: https://gizmodo.com/forbidden-planet-reboot-brian-k-vaughan-warner-bros-2000525122
👻 Finn Wolfhard and Billy Bryk remaking Idle Hands: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/finn-wolfhard-jason-reitman-remake-idle-hands-sony-stranger-things-1236206576/
👻 First look at Jurassic World Rebirth featuring ScarJo: https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/jurassic-world-4-rebirth-title-plot-details-first-look-images
👻 Bradley Fowler confirms story development for Slotherhouse 2: https://www.comedy.co.uk/people/fyi/461/tiff-stevenson-on-slotherhouse/
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Today, Cassidy and Kd delve into the excitement surrounding upcoming movie remakes in the sci-fi and horror genres, particularly focusing on 'Heretic' and 'Jurassic World Rebirth.' The duo also shares their unique experience with a Smell-O-Vision screening of 'Heretic,' highlighting the importance of theater etiquette amidst their frustrations with disruptive audience members. They conclude with insights into the making of 'Heretic' and Hugh Grant's transformative role in the film. In this conversation, the hosts delve into various aspects of the film 'Heretic', discussing its humor, character arcs, and the unique blend of horror and comedy. They explore the tropes of vampire lore, comparing different vampire narratives, and analyze the film's ending and its implications. The discussion also touches on the execution of exposition in films and the creative choices made during production. In this conversation, Cassidy and Kd delve into various themes surrounding the film 'Heretic'. They also discuss celebrity controversies in the music industry, their personal ratings of the horror elements, and their final thoughts on the film's execution and overall impact.
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Hi.
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Hi, happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday.
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It's almost the end of November.
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Thank God.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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It's been...
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been...
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You first.
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It's been so bad.
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It's been the worst month.
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I hate November.
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Yeah.
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I- I agree.
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I couldn't agree more.
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Should we tell them?
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Yeah.
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We're- we're unemployed.
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Yeah, we both worked at the same place.
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For a long time.
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A long time.
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And they let us go.
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A fifth of our lives.
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Don't say things like that to me.
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That's disgusting.
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Yeah.
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All of our 20s.
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Almost, yeah.
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Was it worth it?
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No.
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No, it was not.
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Absolutely not.
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Not one second.
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But I met you.
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We met each other.
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take that back.
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I met some of my best friends through that place, so I guess for that alone it was worth it.
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But I wish them exactly what they deserve and you can take that anyway you like.
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Yeah.
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Agreed.
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Great.
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But that's a problem for future us.
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Present us,
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immediately thought of the podcast when it happened because I was like, damn, we thought vibes were down last week.
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Yeah.
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shit.
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Yeah, we just keep putting it off like, we can record tomorrow.
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We can record on Sunday.
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But we're here.
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We are here.
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Vibes are great.
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We're going to talk about Heretic.
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We are.
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But first, news.
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And I start, right?
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Yeah, OK.
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I have mostly sci-fi news.
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But that's adjacent,
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right?
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Tell me I'm right.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, so more sci-fi news and horror news for me today.
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But Warner Brothers is developing a new version of the 1950s horror sci-fi classic, Forbidden Planet.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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If you don't remember, it's a starship crew in the 23rd century goes to investigate the silence of a distant planet's colony only to find just two survivors, a powerful robot and
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the deadly secret of a lost civilization.
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Yeah, James Cameron was supposedly gonna tackle it a while back.
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But we've got a much greener crew this time instead, which is fine.
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Exciting for them.
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Brian K.
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Vaughan is a comic book writer.
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He's going to be writing story and Emma Watts who appears to be very new on the scene is going to be producing.
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Yeah.
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I feel like that's the type of movie that should be remade.
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Like one that hasn't been touched in 70 years.
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Mm-hmm.
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My god, 70 years?
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That's 50 years ago.
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as I said it, I didn't like it.
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Yeah, I registered and was like, holy shit, that math is right.
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And then I hated it.
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Anyways, I think that's the type of movie that should be because obviously, you know,
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the graphics, the effects are not going to be what they are, what we can do today.
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So I feel like that's kind of that's the vibe.
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I don't think they have a director yet.
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Maybe they could get Denny V.
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He's good at space.
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He loves space.
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Hmm.
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I also have remake news.
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Finn Wolfhard and Billy Burke.
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Bryk?
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Bryk.
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Billy Bryk.
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Not Billy Burke.
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Not Billy Burke.
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Not him at all.
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Who's Billy Burke?
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I don't know, but it doesn't matter because it's not him.
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I said the name wrong.
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It's Billy Bryk.
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They are going to be heading a remake of the 90s cult classic, Idle Hands, which you haven't seen yet, but we will eventually.
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Devon Sawa starred in the original and he has supported the remake.
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He said if anybody's going to do it, it should be them, which is a crazy thing to say for two people whose directorial debut has not been released yet, but they're both children.
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Well, okay.
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I think they're both in their 20s, but still very young.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yes, I think I don't know how old Finn is now, but he's definitely an adult, right?
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Let me see.
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He's 21.
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He's 21 and Billy Bryk is 25.
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So, yeah, they I guess their directorial debut has
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come out, it was at TIFF, but it hasn't been released to the public until next year.
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So I guess we'll see then what they're capable of.
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It is a wild movie to remake because it did not do well at all.
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Okay.
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But it did have like an amazing cast.
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had Devon Sawa, had Seth Green, Jessica Alba, Vivica A.
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Fox.
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It was crazy.
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Yeah.
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But it did terribly.
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Jessica Alba is not in a lot of good movies is she?
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No.
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Poor thing.
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She makes good diapers though.
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Yeah.
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Okay, well that's exciting.
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I'm just gonna Google Billy Burke real quick.
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Ha
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Yes, it is!
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It's the Dad in Twilight.
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The dad meaning the hot one, Charlie.
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Okay, good, yeah.
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I do not get the Carlisle thing at all.
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He's so blonde.
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blonde.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Anyway.
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blondes, my personal preference.
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Well, yeah.
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Okay.
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My next news is very on brand.
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We got our first taste of Jurassic World Rebirth, which is infuriatingly coming out on July 2nd next year.
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That's insane.
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Every single Jurassic Park movie that has ever come out has come out on my birthday or the weekend of my birthday.
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So I'm pissed.
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But that's neither here nor there.
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We got some pictures of Scar Jo running around with a tranquilizer gun in Hawaii.
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She looks great.
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Now.
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Yeah, she's in the movie that we were promised we would never have to watch.
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And now we do, which is also infuriating, but whatever.
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They said they'd be done after the world movies.
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And like six months later, they're like, July of 2025.
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making money, they're going to keep pushing them out.
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That's why the Marvel Universe won't end.
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They just keep going.
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People love dinosaurs.
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I love dinosaurs.
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Last news for me.
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Bradley Fowler, one of the writers of the 2023 movie Slotherhouse, recently did an interview and said that he has three different versions of a sequel already written.
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if you're a fan of Alpha, the killer sloth in the hit Hulu movie Slotherhouse.
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Good news, there might be a sequel coming your way.
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He said he wrote different versions in case it was like PG-13 or rated R.
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He's ready and rearing to go.
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And if you haven't seen it, it's still on Hulu.
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You can go ahead and stream it.
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Don't, I mean, it's a movie about a killer sloth.
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So go into it in that mindset of that it's
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campy and meaning to be silly.
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I think he even said in that same interview that he thought of it because his friend asked him what sells
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and he said stupid stuff.
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And so his friend said, well, what's the stupidest thing you can think of?
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And it was a sloth
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killing sorority house girls.
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Yeah, Slotherhouse.
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His name's Alpha.
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Come on, you didn't connect the dots.
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Oh, yeah, there you go.
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Oh my god, is he their mascot?
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Oh god.
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Wait, is it an actual sloth or is it like a person in a sloth costume?
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It's like a puppet.
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It's not a person.
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That'd be too big.
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to be a real sloth?
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Okay.
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It's a real sloth.
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Okay.
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that is murderous and very fast.
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Okay, I thought we were having like a Happy Death Day situation where like the mascot is a baby and it goes around killing people.
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sloth.
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Wow.
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Sounds fun.
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It was.
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Well, we're here to talk about Heretic, so let's do that now, I suppose.
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I'll give a little recap.
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It just came out like two weeks ago, two and a half weeks ago.
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To much fanfare.
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It's about two young missionaries who became ensnared in a deadly game of cat and mouse when they knock on the door of Mr.
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Reed, played by Hugh Grant.
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Trapped in his home, they must turn to their faith if they want to make it out alive.
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That's from Google.
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This is an A24 film written and directed by Scott Beck and Brian Woods.
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It had a less than $10 million budget and has already doubled that in two weekends at the box office thanks to its mostly sparkling reviews.
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It has a 7.3 out of 10 on IMDb, a 71 % on Metacritic, and a 92 % certified fresh critic score and 77 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Damn.
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The people like it.
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We don't care about that.
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What really matters is what we think, correct?
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I hate to make you talk more because you just talked, but can you please tell me about your smell-o-vision experience?
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So I won tickets to see this through AAA24, which if you're not a AAA24 member, I highly recommend it.
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And we go into the theater.
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They had like this list.
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It was very like official.
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I felt like a like a real influencer.
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They had to like take my name on the list.
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They walked me to my seats.
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I had my name printed on them.
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The coolest thing ever.
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And they handed us these little cards.
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See, I was thinking they were gonna like pump smells into it, but it was not that cool.
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They hand us these little cards, I'll show you.
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They have a pie on them, a blueberry pie, and it says, scratch for a whiff of Mrs.
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Reed's blueberry pie when Mr.
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Reed brings out the beverages.
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So there.
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was a scratch-o-vision.
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Okay.
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like bringing out the, there was like a guy standing at the front of the theater.
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He just like raised his hand with like his card or whatever.
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And so then everybody was like, it was, it was, I mean, it was pretty immersive.
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It smells great.
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Just the one scene, the one scene and the one smell.
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I also was imagining them like spurting out little smells.
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Yeah, like walking down Main Street at Disneyland where it smells like popcorn.
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That's not because of the popcorn machines.
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It's because they're pumping in popcorn smell.
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I thought that's what they were gonna do.
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yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then I was curious about what other smells, right?
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I thought maybe there'd be like a damp water smell, you know, in the basement and wood maybe.
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Mm-hmm.
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No.
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But I mean, it was still fun.
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It was kind of, you know, just sitting there like sniffing it.
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You could hear like everybody.
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Anyway, and before the movie started, they're like, and when you're done, we'll have a little surprise for you as you're leaving the theater.
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And I'm like, God, is Hugh Grant going to be waiting for me at the door?
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But no, almost better.
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I'm sending it to you right now.
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My gosh.
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They handed us all a little blueberry pie on the way out.
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It's so cute.
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And it was pretty good.
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I'm not the biggest fan of blueberry pie, if I have to eat pie.
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No, not if I have to eat pie.
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Pie is my favorite dessert.
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But blueberry is like the lowest.
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Probably, but it was still very good.
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am not a pie person.
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No.
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Yeah, you're a cheesecake person, I know that much.
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I am a cheesecake person.
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I don't know, the pie thing has never really done it for me.
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And not even like a good crumble, like a good Dutch crumble on top.
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I did recently have an apple crumble that I did think was pretty good.
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But then when it's in pie form, it's not as good.
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You're supposed to put that on top of a crust and then, you know, you put the crumble on top of the apple on top of the crust and then...
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I mean like the deconstructed apple crumble, you know, they've got like the...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I don't mind a pumpkin pie or like some like non-fruit pies are okay.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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It's the fruit pies that don't always hit for me.
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Weird, because you like fruit cheesecakes.
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I do.
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Interesting.
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All that is is pie filling on top of the cheesecake, you know.
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Yeah, but I think it's like the warmth of the fruits, maybe.
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I don't know.
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It's honestly, yeah, it's been a while since I've had pie too, because I didn't like it in my younger days.
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So I just kind of avoided it.
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So I don't know, maybe I'd try a cherry pie now and be like, wow, delicious.
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I mean, I personally recommend it, but.
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Yeah, I'll give it a go if someone offers it to me.
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I'm not gonna like buy it or make it myself, but if I'm at an event and there is a fruit pie, I'll give it a go.
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Okay.
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I, I, I, it took me a couple days to have the stomach to eat it.
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I'll give you that much.
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I just kind of let it sit there and like, am I ready to eat that?
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I would have been digging it immediately on the ride home.
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But was so cute.
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I also didn't want to like open it and I had to open it when I opened it I had to ruin the sticker and that was my favorite part.
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I know because it Smell-O-Vision on it.
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A shame, a shame, but.
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it is.
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That's okay.
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But yeah, that was my, and then the other thing.
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was sat next to a couple who had also won tickets from the internet or from a radio contest.
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They had won tickets and they, I don't think had ever been to a movie in theaters before based on their decorum during the movie.
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Very loud, full on conversations throughout the entire film.
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Very much like, don't go in there, don't go in there, you're gonna get killed if you go in there.
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Like full volume the entire time.
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And I was sitting right next to her and my dad was sitting right here and every once in a while he would just pull one of these.
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Oh yeah, that'd be me.
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like lean around like, are you fucking joking right now?
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just the full-on, very obvious stare at them of, hello, you are not the only person in the world.
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a couple of times she apologized to and she was like, my God, I'm so sorry.
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And then she would do it like a second later, the whole movie, the whole movie.
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I probably would have said something.
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I, God, I didn't want to like ruin her experience too.
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Like why should everybody's experience be ruined, you know?
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But she's ruining everybody's experience.
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It's like, you save the many and sacrifice the one?
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You know what mean?
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I don't know.
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I'm probably overthinking it.
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I should have said something.
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I thought about waiting until the end and just being like, I'm telling you this lovingly, but you ruined that for me and everyone around you.
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And everyone around you had a terrible time because of you.
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Yeah.
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I think there's like,
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I don't know, part of me is like, you go to a theater and you have to expect that you're there with a bunch of other people, right?
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But I think that that should apply to maybe a gasp or a slight scream when a scary moment happens, or maybe -
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popcorn.
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Right, or maybe like a uh-uh when someone's about to do something maybe every once in a while you know not full-blown conversations and like out loud speaking.
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I also not during the movie during the movie everybody was fine but my theater was very crowded and the guy like two seats down from me when the AMC Nicole Kidman thing came on.
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I wasn't really like paying attention because I'm just waiting for the movie to start.
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And he loudly whooped and screamed.
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It scared - It was more scary than the whole movie.
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I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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And then he quoted the entire thing and then clapped when it was done.
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And I was like, OK, we get it.
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You love the movies.
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Yeah.
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I don't like men yelling in public.
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It did scare me.
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It scared me a lot.
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I was like, my god, he's going to start telling me about Creep.
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I'm just kidding.
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I didn't know that at the time.
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I hadn't seen it yet.
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But now,
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I'm gonna start thinking about men.
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Well, I've done enough talking.
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Great.
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I'll talk.
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This took Beck and Scott about, well, okay, so their last names sound like first names.
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Yes, they do.
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Wait, Scott Beck.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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even read.
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Sorry, it took Beck and Woods about 10 years to write this.
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They said that they sat down and they started it and they got to the point where Mr.
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Reed opens his mouth to start talking.
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And then they realized, we do not know enough about religion to write from his perspective, which I love self-awareness.
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They didn't just go for it.
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They literally took a decade to read about religions and kind of do as much research as they could until they felt like they were ready to start writing.
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Good for them.
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Hugh Grant also did a lot of research leading up supposedly.
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He said that he kind of created a backstory for the character that we didn't really get to see in the film to just kind of help him get into character.
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And then learned a lot about religion also, of course.
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Yeah.
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And then the girls were - go ahead.
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sorry, I was just gonna talk more about Hugh Grant.
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The writers and directors went on a whole campaign to try to get him in the movie, because they wrote the part specifically for him after he had said in an interview that he was
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sick of being typecasted.
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And so they were like, here's a role you've never done before.
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And then apparently they campaigned really hard to
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try to get him to see the script and be interested in it.
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Yeah.
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It's his second horror film.
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This first was The Lair of the White Worm.
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W-O-R-M.
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As opposed to W-Y-R-M.
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Okay.
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A worm is like a worm and a wyrm is like a dragon.
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Yeah.
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I was not even considering.
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No, I have not.
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All of the girlies who have read ACOTAR are thinking to be Y-R-M.
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Yeah.
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Shout out to the ACOTAR girlies.
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Yeah, love you.
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Hahaha
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BookTok.
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We're here.
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Ay, yi.
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Apparently he ad-libbed a lot too.
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He was very true to the script in a lot of places, but would ad-lib like additions.
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So like the meow when they're finding the, not the chess piece, the Monopoly piece.
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Which, correct me if I'm wrong, a cat is not even a piece in Monopoly.
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Is it?
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Original Monopoly pieces.
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I thought there was an animal.
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a dog.
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A ca- the original tokens are a car, iron, lantern, thimble, shoe, top hat, and rocking horse.
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So why did he even meow?
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Cat.
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Monopoly fans have voted to add a cat to the classic games cast of eight playing pieces.
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So there was a cat.
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Yeah, so maybe he just meant of all time he likes the cat.
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You know.
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Did he ad lib the Jar Jar Binks impression?
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No, that was in the script.
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Isn't that crazy?
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They were so excited for him and supposedly that's when Scott and Mr.
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Br- No, Scott Bryan and the writers and directors- Wait, isn't that his name?
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Scott Bryan?
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Scott Beck!
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This is fucking crazy.
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Wow, I hate their names.
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Bryan Woods.
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Okay, supposedly Scott and Bryan-
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They, so I hadn't heard of this happening often, but when they were shooting, they were filming like 10 to 15 minute segments at a time.
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And that impression was towards the end of a really long segment of filming.
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And they were worried that they were gonna ruin the whole thing because it was gonna come out of his mouth and everybody was gonna laugh.
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And everybody laughed, but luckily they were able to do it quietly.
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Good, good.
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Yeah, too funny.
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Yeah.
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Nobody's really talking about how fucking funny this movie was.
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I thought it was hilarious.
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Yeah, they definitely added in some humor.
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Yeah.
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I feel like it was pre-basement, though.
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Correct.
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Which that's how I kind of separate this movie in my mind.
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It's like before they go through the door and after they go through the door.
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Yes, it's very much like -
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What's that show called?
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With the Fonz?
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Days, days, something about days.
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Fuck.
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The Fonz is in it.
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Is it?
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Yeah, yeah, it's like Happy Days.
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There's pre-Jumping the Shark and post-Jumping the Shark.
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Exactly.
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I thought you were going to say...
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Haunting of Hill House.
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Like people who haven't seen Bent Neck Lady and then those who have, you know, like there's a distinct separation.
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Yeah.
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Wow, to be a person who hasn't seen the bent neck lady again for the first time.
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Or not the first time, you know what I'm saying.
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I would like to erase that and watch that again for the first time.
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That would be fun.
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that and breaking down part two.
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I'm good on that one, but I didn't.
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Yeah, it didn't have the same impact.
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Also, can I ask you a question real quick that has nothing to do with anything that we've been talking about except for Twilight?
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Correct, okay?
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I mean, not correct.
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You know, yes, yes.
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I've recently started, I've got a lot of spare time on my hands now, and I started watching The Vampire Diaries for the first time because I loved Teen Wolf, I loved Buffy
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like right up my alley, right?
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Why are people who write vampires so obsessed with making them Confederate soldiers?
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I...
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understanding why that is ever a thing that needs to happen.
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I couldn't tell you.
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It's probably because no writer has ever had an original idea in their life.
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Yeah, the whole time I'm watching the show, I'm like, they took that from Buffy.
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They took that from Buffy.
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They took that from Buffy.
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Teen Wolf took that from this.
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Twilight took that from this.
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Yeah, it was all one, it's all one universe, I think.
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They're all the same thing.
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You only have to watch one of them and it's Buffy.
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And then you're good.
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I mean, to be fair, the universe is either with vampires or without.
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Those are the two universes.
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That's true.
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Thanks.
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I will say the lore, I don't even think Stephanie Meyers likes vampires.
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They're not even really vampires.
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They're just sparkly, immortal porcelain dolls.
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Yep.
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Megan.
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it.
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They're Megans.
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They're in the Megan universe.
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Yes, thank you.
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We'd get there.
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Anyways, if you're writing a vampire novel right now, please don't make them Confederate soldiers.
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It's so weird.
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Why does that have to be a thing?
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Why am I supposed to root for all these characters who are like, yeah, we love our ancestors who are all part of the Confederates?
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Like, I don't...
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to redeem them somehow by making them vampires.
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And I don't, they're not.
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Let it go.
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more people, that'll make you like them.
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Honestly, I can't -
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I am fine with vampires killing people.
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I draw the line at Confederate soldiers.
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That's where I have to do it.
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Yeah.
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So that part's justified.
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Yeah, I've never seen Vampire Diaries, so...
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Okay, I highly recommend it.
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If you love bad fantasy teen television, it's great.
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It's great for that.
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I did love Teen Wolf.
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Did you?
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Because you didn't even finish it.
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To where I asked, which was season, end of season three.
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And don't say it jumped the shark because it didn't.
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Season three is the best season.
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No, you watched 3A.
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You never finished it.
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I've got time, but I started Buffy and I'm kind of stuck on that.
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Don't put, you said you didn't keep going.
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Yeah, but I don't want to like start anything new.
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So you watched one episode of it and then you just stopped.
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I was like, well, maybe I can watch something that's a little bit less.
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I have to be involved, you know?
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I was like, if I watch Buffy, I'm going to get really involved.
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So I had to like, you know, adjust course a little bit.
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Oh my god, okay, well whenever you start back up, please live tweet it, but just to me.
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Don't actually use Twitter, gross.
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I haven't.
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I'm kind of waiting to see if it's like a thread situation where it just stops being a thing.
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But yeah.
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Anyway.
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Anyways, what the fuck are we talking about?
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Okay, so Heretic, I, I thought, maybe this was the point, that this movie was going for like, for a good majority of the movie, I thought this was happening, that, that the
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sisters were overthinking everything.
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That Mr.
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Reed was not a bad guy, that he, every excuse that he was giving was true, and that they were just kind of like building this horror movie in their heads.
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That was pre-basement.
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Yes.
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then they go in the basement and then it's like, fuck.
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But the whole concept of, don't want - Hugh Grant saying I don't want to be typecast, he very much just played a rom-com character for the first half of the movie.
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He was just, he wasn't scary.
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He was just kind of a guy with a wife making pie, you know?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, a little awkward.
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A little lonely, maybe.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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Thanks.
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like that interpretation.
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That would have been an interesting way for it to go.
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Yeah, kind of like a commentary on how the media overblows things or is only reporting on the terrible stuff.
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Yeah, I do think it's almost in direct opposition of what he was trying to say, which was, don't believe everything that people tell you.
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kd's like, no, no, I will.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, to my own point, that is scary that his point was don't believe him and I was still believing him.
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Yeah.
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I thought he was very good at this.
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- Yeah he was great.
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Honestly all of the performances were good even Topher Grace for the 13 seconds he was in it.
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That was a weird cameo.
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The first time it showed him I was like, is that...
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Topher Grace?
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No.
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And then it showed him later and I was like, my god it is!
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Haha
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Should we explain the ending?
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Sure.
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I'm throwing shit.
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I mean there's a lot of different theories, right?
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What's your f-
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choose-your-own-ending type of thing.
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Yeah, and it was written that way.
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Brian Woods and Scott Beck wrote it that way specifically, which I think is very smart.
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Yeah, but there's like three, three typical scenarios that people go come out of it believing one is that Paxton reached the afterlife and Barnes was reincarnated as a
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butterfly because she made that comment.
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To kind of like prove to Paxton like, okay, yeah, you're in the afterlife.
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One is that Paxton escaped and just imagined the butterfly.
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Kind of like a, you know, she's so traumatized she's imagining shit, but she escaped.
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And then that the entire thing was a simulation.
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And she escaped.
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Those are the three kind of like big ones.
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And the writer-director said that any of them can be true and they specifically wrote that -
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wrote it that way intentionally so that whatever preconceived notions you have, you go into the movie and you come out of it with the same kind of belief system.
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Hmm.
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But if you watch it more than once, maybe you come out of it with something different.
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Yeah, I don't think the simulation one, that one doesn't make sense to me.
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Because it was very clear that that was something he was just like, he came up with on the fly.
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They literally say that, that something went wrong and then that's why he started with that whole situation.
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Mm-hmm.
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Which also, I'm just gonna say it right now, pre-basement, a much stronger film than post-basement, in my opinion.
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Mm-hmm.
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It felt like pre-basement was very well thought out, very well written.
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They knew exactly what they were trying to go for.
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And then they got, they were like, well, and then they have to open the doors and then what?
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And they just threw something together really quickly.
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That's how it felt to me personally.
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And I don't know if it's because our ideas of what could be behind the doors is always going to be more interesting than what actually is.
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But I was just imagining like a maze.
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I honestly thought both of them are going to choose a different door and we were going to see what happens to both of them and kind of understand what his point really was.
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I don't mind that his ultimate
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end theory was about control, because like, is he wrong?
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Not necessarily.
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I do think that a lot of systems are put in place because people want control.
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So I don't think that that's far off.
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That part didn't bother me.
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It was just, it just felt like, I don't know, the whole trailer is like build up this, these two doors and which one they're going to pick.
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And then it's just, they both go to the basement and it's like, okay.
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So that didn't
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matter and I get that she says that before they go down but I don't know it just it was kind of a letdown for me personally after they opened the doors.
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Yeah.
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it - to your point was two very different movies before and after.
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Yeah.
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I didn't mind the like kind of jarring.
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I mean, it was a very jarring switch, but it was kind of fun to be like, God, this is the kind of movie we're watching now.
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Yeah, and I didn't mind the tone shift at all.
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It was more just the...
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what it actually was.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I know.
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But in that kind of vein, some of it just didn't make sense after that, because this all started because the simulation thing.
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that only happened because one of his prophets said something she wasn't supposed to to them.
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Which the resurrection only happened because he knew that Topher Grace was going to show up at that exact moment.
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Like that was the only way that they could have switched the bodies because he knew they'd be distracted.
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But how did he know they were going to be distracted?
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I don't know.
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I feel like there were a lot of things that didn't quite add up with that whole thing.
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But I don't know.
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He's clearly done this many times before, so maybe he's got a good idea of how it's going to go.
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Definitely some plot holes.
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Some opportunities in the back half of film.
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Back third.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just what it wasn't fully as fleshed out as I would have liked it to be, but but that's okay.
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Which ending did you have?
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What was your first impression?
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Did she die?
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Is she alive?
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Did she escape?
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Is the butterfly real?
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So my thought was the butterfly, so she's alive and Barnes is dead and reincarnating as the butterfly to show her like it's safe, you're okay.
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Okay.
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And also to confirm that she was dead.
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Yeah.
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That was my first interpretation.
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Alright.
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What was yours?
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That she was alive, I did think that she escaped.
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I did not think the butterfly was real.
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I thought that was her imagining it to give her some sort of peace.
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But then when it disappears, I think that was maybe her rethinking her beliefs.
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Yeah.
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Very grounded answer.
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Yeah.
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I'd be hallucinating for sure.
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Yeah, I mean, I think also your beliefs going into it are going to impact how you read the ending, right?
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I think that that's, yeah, right.
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Like it's, you're going to be influenced by your preconceived notions.
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And so as someone, I'm not religious.
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I don't believe in anything.
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So I think that definitely is informing my decision on the end of
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what I think, because it's what I already believe.
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Yeah, don't think she was Mormon after that.
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You know?
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Hahaha
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I, that would, it would take a lot for me to still believe in any sort of good if I had to go through what she went through.
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absolutely.
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What did you think about, because I feel like they kind of built it up to believe that Sophie Thatcher's character was going to be the final girl.
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And then they kind of switched that on its head.
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And Chloe East was.
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What did you think about that?
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I mean, I did a little.
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Yeah
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I was surprised.
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I certainly was surprised.
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But I love that, you know, the more timid girl got her kind of like redemption arc.
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That was very satisfying for me.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I kind of like that they flipped it on its head.
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Because you very much think she's the one that's going to.
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Outwit, Outsmart, Outplay.
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Yeah, Survivor baby.
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But I'm just not sure they'd like set up Paxton, right?
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Yeah, I don't know if they set her up to be believable.
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Like the whole time she's very naive.
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She's kind of one step behind Thatcher, who Thatcher seems to like pick up very quickly on what's happening and what he's putting them through.
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And so the fact that she's able to just piece together everything else after that is kind of like, okay, but did we create a character who could do that?
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Do we have faith that she could?
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I'm not sure, but I didn't hate it.
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Yeah.
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I just realized I called her Barnes earlier.
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Where did I even get that?
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Who the fuck is Barnes?
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is one of them not...
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Yeah, Sister Barnes!
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You said Thatcher.
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Did I say Tha- Paxton?
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Sophie Thatcher plays Barnes.
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Roger.
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Got you.
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Okay.
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I'm so confused.
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Sister Barnes.
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Got it.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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So we were both right.
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Okay.
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Good.
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Excellent.
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Paxton lives or dies, up to your interpretation.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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But all that to say, I thought the ending was written smartly.
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I don't like there to be like a definitive answer necessarily, but also I want it to be thought out why it's not definitive.
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Yeah, I feel like I liked the ending as well.
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I like a little up to interpretation, you know?
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Yeah, not too much.
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Just enough.
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But, but, okay.
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One of my biggest complaints about this movie is the whole Paxton explaining the movie.
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That was like, okay.
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So they...
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Stay with me.
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They wrote this with A24 in mind.
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they said specifically they wanted A24 to take it on because A24 trusts their audiences.
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And then they wrote the most handholdy movie of 2024.
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So interesting you say that.
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It's almost like that was my exact complaint with their other movie, A Quiet Place.
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Okay, okay, so a quiet, okay, but they did it with one scene and it was like one thing.
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no, it's the same problem that they had in A Quiet Place, where they beautifully execute the opening scene of them showing us exactly what this world is, exactly what's happening,
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and exactly what you can't do.
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And then they cut to these newspapers and this whiteboard and just telling us everything that they just showed us.
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And it was so weird.
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And then I think in this movie, they kind of do the exact same thing, where
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they show us all of these little hints throughout, right?
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They show us the bike key in the wrong coat.
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They show us like all of these little pieces that we should be able to connect.
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And then they just have her exposition dump why all of that was.
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And it wasn't needed.
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Yeah, you're so right.
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Mr.
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Woods and Mr.
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Beck, please stop doing that.
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We get it.
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We understand your movies.
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Yeah, this one was much more in your face than the like newspaper clippings in A Quiet Place.
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I'm sorry, I will always think of that whiteboard that's just like, they can hear us?
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Shhh, be quiet!
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Hahaha like, babes.
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We know!
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Oh god.
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At least it wasn't like Watchers bad.
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Yeah.
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Where it was explaining it and then didn't even do what it was explaining.
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The Watchers was the most heinous example of exposition dumping I've ever seen in my life.
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That was crazy.
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I agree.
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Yeah.
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You know something they did that you would love.
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They filmed chronologically.
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Yeah, I do love that.
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I don't really know why, but.
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It just makes sense, you know?
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I mean for this one it almost doesn't though.
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I would have filmed all the basement scenes at once.
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Like all of the house scenes, all of the basement scenes, because they come back into the basement later.
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Like Sophie Thatcher probably had a week where she wasn't even needed and then had to come back to film the end scene.
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Yeah, it's not ideal.
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It's not an ideal filming schedule.
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But I still like it.
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If I was her and I had a week off, I would just sit there and watch Hugh Grant act.
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I would learn so much, I would absorb.
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I would take advantage.
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I think you were gonna say this earlier, but then I interrupted you to talk about Hugh Grant.
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I already forgot.
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what you interrupted was that both actresses were Mormon in real life.
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God, sorry.
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I was gonna say, I think this is what I interrupted you on.
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No, no, no, please go, because I interrupted you twice now.
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So that's the whole thing.
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They were both Mormon.
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There's more to it though.
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Sophie Thatcher is technically Mormon royalty.
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Yeah, her great uncle was one of the prophets.
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Crazy.
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And she's not Mormon anymore.
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Yeah.
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But I do think that that's nice.
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I feel like that probably helped them create more realistic portrayals of Mormons.
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Yeah.
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One little tiny anachronism that I can sort of relate to was that they come inside, they take off their coats, they take off their name tags and put it on their shirt.
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Whereas in real life, they would have a name tag on their coat and on the entire of their shirt.
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Yeah, they're ready.
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Yeah, I worked for the Lutheran Church for a summer in Arizona.
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And they gave me two name tags.
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was like, I don't think I need two.
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And they're like, well, it's for your outside layer.
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And I'm like, I'm only going to be here for a few months and it's 115 degrees.
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So no, no.
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It was just like a just in case kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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They were like, well, what if it's in what if you're inside and it's cold?
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I'm like, okay, whatever.
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But yeah, yeah, would.
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Yes, certainly.
00:43:52
I certainly hope so.
00:43:54
You see they're selling the candle?
00:43:56
They are selling the candle.
00:43:58
Told my dad, I want it for Christmas.
00:44:01
Because he saw it with me.
00:44:02
He's like, I'm not paying $45 for a candle.
00:44:05
Yeah, it's a little pricey.
00:44:07
You could just get a blueberry pie candle somewhere else for probably cheaper.
00:44:11
it looks like the one in the movie.
00:44:13
It's like the same sticker and stuff.
00:44:16
I can smell it.
00:44:17
It's not even about the smell.
00:44:18
I can smell it whenever I want.
00:44:20
That's true, you have your little Smell-O-Vision.
00:44:21
send you one of these.
00:44:23
I'll send you his.
00:44:23
I'll go to his house and steal it.
00:44:26
to do that.
00:44:28
It'd be fun.
00:44:28
We could smell it together.
00:44:31
Can't wait.
00:44:31
we'd be smelling the same thing at the same time, even so far away, so far apart, but like both grounded.
00:44:37
the same thing, grounded in the apple pie lie.
00:44:42
Because it's not a blueberry pie lie.
00:44:45
Yeah.
00:44:49
Can I say too, I almost wish they hadn't included that in the trailer.
00:44:52
The blueberry pie thing, that it was a candle.
00:44:58
It was in- I didn't watch the trailer, I don't think.
00:45:00
Okay.
00:45:01
Well, they include that.
00:45:03
Yeah, so there's like a scene where it shows the clip of Sophie Thatcher seeing that it's the candle.
00:45:10
And I almost wish they hadn't.
00:45:11
Yeah, because then the entire conversation, I was a little distracted because I just kept waiting for her to notice because I knew she was gonna.
00:45:20
That's annoying.
00:45:21
Because I knew about the blueberry pie aspect of it because I looked at the smell-o-vision and like, what is it?
00:45:27
Am I smelling dead bodies?
00:45:28
Is this going to give me a headache kind of thing?
00:45:31
Which I was genuinely worried about not being able to make it through the movie because it going to smell so bad.
00:45:35
So in hindsight, the cards were actually really good.
00:45:38
But yeah, so I went into it expecting blueberry pie.
00:45:42
So I had the exact opposite experience.
00:45:46
I don't know why movies keep doing that of giving away things that are presented as kind of a twist in the film.
00:45:55
I think we should get rid of trailers completely.
00:45:58
And I think we should just do stunt marketing.
00:46:02
Like the Smile thing, because they did that again.
00:46:04
For Smile 2, they did the baseball thing again.
00:46:06
That was very good.
00:46:09
It makes you want to see it.
00:46:11
It doesn't give anything away.
00:46:13
I think that only works
00:46:16
some of the time.
00:46:17
Well, you gotta make it work.
00:46:18
That's your job in marketing is to make it work.
00:46:21
That's true.
00:46:23
I just feel like there's a way to do trailers and not give stuff away.
00:46:28
You know?
00:46:29
But they prove time and time again that it's not possible.
00:46:33
It is possible, they just prove time and time again that they're not gonna do it.
00:46:37
So.
00:46:39
Any other fun facts about heretic?
00:46:43
Yeah.
00:46:45
One more.
00:46:46
Okay.
00:46:47
The music in the end credits is a version of Knocking on Heaven's Door set to the tune of Fade Into You, which is just kind of another nod of the iterations and borrowing from
00:47:02
things in the past and stuff.
00:47:03
So I thought that that was very clever of them to do.
00:47:06
Very clever.
00:47:07
Yeah.
00:47:08
Have you heard the whole thing with Zach Bryan and Taylor Swift?
00:47:12
No.
00:47:13
It's fucking crazy.
00:47:15
Like two or three weeks ago, Zach Bryan posted on Twitter that Kanye West is better than Taylor Swift, which of course infuriated every Swiftie that's ever lived.
00:47:27
Yeah, that's just that was rage bait and it worked clearly, but...
00:47:33
worked.
00:47:34
Well, now the Swifties are going through his music catalog, which is a little counterintuitive, and they have found identical segments of music to Taylor Swift's own
00:47:45
catalog, including the song Dear John, which was written about John Mayer.
00:47:50
There's an identical segment in Zach Brian's song that features John Mayer.
00:47:57
Wait that's kind of funny though.
00:48:00
So anyway, maybe she'll sue.
00:48:03
But there's a lot of them.
00:48:04
It's crazy.
00:48:05
Yeah.
00:48:08
And if she doesn't, that's insane because she actually has a case in this one.
00:48:12
Okay.
00:48:13
I'll have to take a listen.
00:48:14
Sometimes people are like, this sounds exactly like a Taylor Swift song, and I'm like, I do not hear it at all.
00:48:19
It really does.
00:48:20
That one and...
00:48:23
I'll send it to you.
00:48:25
There's like three of them.
00:48:27
Cause what was that?
00:48:28
Olivia Rodrigo one?
00:48:30
I didn't hear that one.
00:48:32
That did not feel like a case for that.
00:48:36
No.
00:48:36
The, the Olivia Rodrigo song that was like the Paramore song, that I heard.
00:48:41
Yeah.
00:48:43
Yeah.
00:48:44
Deja vu, I didn't hear it on that
00:48:46
Mm-mm.
00:48:47
Me neither.
00:48:48
I was like, guys, there's only so many notes.
00:48:51
Correct.
00:48:51
Yeah.
00:48:52
So many notes, so many patterns.
00:48:53
it just, yeah.
00:48:54
But these, the Zach Bryan ones.
00:48:58
Complete rip-offs.
00:48:59
Total rip-offs, same instruments and like random instruments, like accordion.
00:49:06
Very like why why would you do that you're so stupid
00:49:11
Yeah.
00:49:12
Yikes.
00:49:12
Well, maybe they're giving him enough listens that he can afford the lawsuit now.
00:49:16
Yeah, yeah, maybe.
00:49:18
That's why I say it's a little counterintuitive for them to be listening to the music to like spot all these things, but.
00:49:23
Funny.
00:49:24
let's listen to his entire catalogue.
00:49:32
Do you have any other fun facts?
00:49:35
No, I'm ready to rate it.
00:49:36
Okay.
00:49:37
Alright, how scary did you think it was?
00:49:40
A one out of five?
00:49:42
I was trying to think back and think if there was anything that I thought was scary.
00:49:47
And we've been sitting with this for a while.
00:49:49
Yeah, I can't remember a part where I felt on edge.
00:49:53
What about you?
00:49:55
I gave it one and a half.
00:49:57
I don't...
00:49:59
Maybe it would have been scarier if I wasn't like taken out of the experience by my neighbor.
00:50:04
But, and I hope that's not the case that it would have been scarier had she not been a part of it, but, I gave it a .5 for like the tension.
00:50:13
Just kind of the tone in the back half and.
00:50:16
There weren't really even any satisfying jumpies.
00:50:20
I was expecting there to be jumpies, but...
00:50:24
Yeah.
00:50:25
One and half.
00:50:26
How sexy did you think it was?
00:50:29
I there is no denying that Hugh Grant is a salt and pepper daddy.
00:50:36
I would slither right into one of those little cages if he even suggested it.
00:50:42
God.
00:50:43
So I gave it a two.
00:50:44
Okay.
00:50:45
You?
00:50:46
I gave it a one.
00:50:48
And it's not because of the cast at all, because yeah, you're not wrong.
00:50:53
And I think Sophie Thatcher and Chloe East are cute gals.
00:51:00
None of them really exuded the sex appeal for me in this one.
00:51:04
I just think if a guy started talking about the similarities of Jar Jar Binks and Jesus, I'd be like, I gotta go.
00:51:12
Like, this is not...
00:51:13
Yeah.
00:51:15
That's fair.
00:51:18
To be fair, they also thought that.
00:51:19
They just weren't allowed to leave.
00:51:21
That's true.
00:51:22
That's true.
00:51:22
Yeah.
00:51:24
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:51:26
I gave it a 1.5 just for the women in the cages.
00:51:30
That was a little hard to see.
00:51:33
Okay.
00:51:34
Him like spraying them with water and shit.
00:51:36
I was like, Jesus.
00:51:38
I mean, they gotta stay hydrated.
00:51:40
What the f-
00:51:42
They are alive.
00:51:44
I know, hunched over?
00:51:46
God, their posture's gotta be terrible.
00:51:49
I would not want to live in a cage.
00:51:51
I know, crazy.
00:51:53
I'm weird like that, but...
00:51:56
What about you?
00:51:57
If Hugh Grant was the one putting me in, I'd live in a cage.
00:52:01
The finger scene was a little awful.
00:52:05
The finger scene?
00:52:07
Yeah.
00:52:10
The birth control implant scene?
00:52:12
Where he's fishing out the birth control implant?
00:52:17
It's all squelchy.
00:52:19
Yeah, think he wasn't he like making jokes during that though, which kind of eased me into it.
00:52:25
a movie where someone was taking their birth control out of them?
00:52:28
Maybe never, but digging around in an open wound?
00:52:33
Par for the course.
00:52:34
Okay, well, anyway, there was a little bit of gore and I think the concept of religious people or non-religious people kind of manipulating others with the concept of religion is
00:52:48
a little fucked up, but not anything new.
00:52:49
So I only give it two.
00:52:52
Mm.
00:52:54
That's fair.
00:52:55
I don't know why, like, all the gory parts just didn't stick with me.
00:52:59
Yeah, the birth control implant really stuck with me.
00:53:01
Yeah, that's fair.
00:53:02
Thinking back now, I'm like, yeah, he was digging around in there for a bit.
00:53:08
A little too long.
00:53:10
That was the point at which I accidentally, like I had this in my hand the whole time and I accidentally rubbed it on my nose and then I smelled like blueberry pie the rest of the
00:53:16
night.
00:53:19
So annoying.
00:53:21
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
00:53:23
Thank you.
00:53:24
Overall, what did you think of Heretic?
00:53:27
I sat with this movie for a really long time.
00:53:30
A couple weeks now.
00:53:31
I saw it like two weeks before it even came out.
00:53:35
And I'm trying really hard to like not let the wine and dine of it all kind of impact my decision or my score.
00:53:44
But final thoughts, I loved Hugh Grant in this, but also kind of felt robbed that he was sort of playing the same character he always does, but in the setting of a killer, know?
00:53:54
Okay.
00:53:55
I did kind of love the unexpected, God, this is the movie we're watching now.
00:54:02
That was kind of fun.
00:54:04
I thought both Sophie Thatcher and Chloe East were very good together and very good with him, with Hugh Grant.
00:54:11
It was very funny.
00:54:12
And I thought it was really a masterclass in tone in that regard, where it was funny in one second and then kind of building tension in the next, which was great.
00:54:25
I loved the intentional open interpretation.
00:54:29
That's a fun open interpretation for me.
00:54:32
But there were definitely opportunities, the pacing, the criminal exposition, like absolutely fucking criminal explaining the whole movie.
00:54:40
My God.
00:54:42
But I had a great time watching it and I gave it a 3.5.
00:54:45
What'd you give it?
00:54:47
A 3.5.
00:54:50
Also, can I just say quickly, I think it's time, I think you're ready to rewatch The Menu.
00:54:58
I think.
00:54:59
okay.
00:55:03
The way that you have come around for movies that have tension but also have lot of humor in them, you're ready.
00:55:12
Okay, all right.
00:55:12
Well, this one did it well, and I don't think The Menu did it well, but also I was a little green.
00:55:18
Okay, okay, okay, Okay, okay.
00:55:22
All right.
00:55:24
Anyways, yeah, I gave it a 3.5.
00:55:26
I do think, like I said earlier, pre-basement is much stronger than post-basement.
00:55:32
That's where they kind of lost me a little bit.
00:55:34
I feel like...
00:55:36
It just felt like kind of messy.
00:55:38
I don't know.
00:55:40
It didn't hold my attention as much as the beginning did, and I think a lot of that was due to the anticipation of waiting to see what was behind the doors.
00:55:49
The whole scene where they're in that room, I'm like, okay, but like write it on the doors that they can go through because I knew that was going to happen from the trailers.
00:55:58
But yeah, I don't know.
00:55:58
I kind of wish it would have gone a different direction.
00:56:01
I would have loved to see them both choose a different door and see some sort of...
00:56:05
They really posed it as this sort of maze in the trailer.
00:56:10
And that was a much more interesting concept to me than just like, here's a basement where I'm going to...
00:56:16
pretend to test you on your faith, but really I'm just trying to get you to crawl into a cage.
00:56:19
Like that is not as interesting to me as maybe this whole which door you choose actually matters.
00:56:27
That would have been a lot more interesting to me personally.
00:56:29
I do like the ambiguous ending.
00:56:32
Yeah, overall it was a good movie.
00:56:34
I had fun.
00:56:36
Good, I'm glad.
00:56:38
It took everything in me not to call you immediately after I got out the theater.
00:56:42
And be like, my God, you'll never guess what they gave me.
00:56:44
And I got to smell blueberry pie the whole movie and ugh, I wish you had been there.
00:56:49
Yeah, you kept messaging me, you're like, are we recording this week?
00:56:52
Heretic this week?
00:56:52
And I'm like, kd, the movie is not out yet.
00:56:54
You saw it a week early.
00:56:56
It was good.
00:57:03
Yeah, it's good.
00:57:06
I think I already know your answer because you said you'd crawl into the cage, but would you survive?
00:57:15
Yes, I would survive.
00:57:16
I would survive in a cage.
00:57:18
Yeah, but then he sets it up to do the whole prophet thing.
00:57:22
So I think they die eventually.
00:57:25
Yeah.
00:57:26
Okay.
00:57:28
The events of the film.
00:57:30
Yeah, yeah.
00:57:34
I think I do.
00:57:36
Not no, I think I'd live.
00:57:38
I survive.
00:57:39
Yeah.
00:57:42
Because I'm not going in the house.
00:57:44
But you're a Mormon.
00:57:46
You're.
00:57:47
But like if I have to put myself in the situation.
00:57:50
If you're putting yourself in this situation, then you're a Mormon missionary.
00:57:55
Yeah, but I'm also intelligent and I'm not coming in, or the rules state, I'm not allowed to come in unless a female's present and there was no female.
00:58:04
So I wouldn't be like, yeah, I'll come in and meet your wife.
00:58:06
I'd be like, can your wife come to the door, please?
00:58:09
And he wouldn't have been able to produce that.
00:58:11
So I would have said, let's go Paxton or Barnes, whichever one I'm with.
00:58:18
We got to go.
00:58:20
And to be fair, even if you did go in the house, there's a 50 % chance that you still live.
00:58:25
If I get in the cage or not.
00:58:27
No, I mean, one of the two missionaries left.
00:58:31
She got out.
00:58:32
That is true.
00:58:34
As far as we know.
00:58:35
Yeah, and I think I would have stabbed him much sooner than they did, so.
00:58:39
Yeah.
00:58:41
Or figured out how to get a match under the door.
00:58:44
That should not have been that hard.
00:58:46
Well, you know, they were having a moment.
00:58:51
Panic.
00:58:52
you know, we didn't talk about is that beautiful scene that was like, it was like the basement and then like the camera kind of like turned out and then it was suddenly the
00:59:01
model of the house.
00:59:03
That was a really beautiful scene was very good.
00:59:06
Yeah, this movie overall was very well shot.
00:59:10
Yeah.
00:59:11
the cinnamon topography.
00:59:14
Anyways.
00:59:16
Okay, are you ready to predict next week's movie?
00:59:21
Okay, you better be.
00:59:23
Do you know what it is?
00:59:26
It's one you requested.
00:59:27
You were very excited about this.
00:59:30
I'm excited.
00:59:31
I'm excited.
00:59:33
Because this is a movie starring Frodo Baggins and Josh Hartnett.
00:59:38
It is.
00:59:39
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you all about it.
00:59:42
It's about a group of high schoolers, two specifically, played by Frodo Baggins and Josh Hartnett, who arrive at school one day and there's a lockdown.
00:59:51
So the whole school gets locked down.
00:59:53
Nobody's allowed in or out, obviously.
00:59:55
We all, in America, know how lockdowns work, but they've locked everybody in too, obviously.
01:00:00
Nobody is allowed out.
01:00:03
That's, yeah.
01:00:04
It turns out that the faculty has conspired to pick off the students
01:00:09
with a huge bomb.
01:00:11
Yeah.
01:00:13
Yeah, the faculty is evil.
01:00:14
And as the word spreads amongst the students that the faculty is going to, you know, they're like, it's okay, the police are on their way, it's a lockdown.
01:00:23
But what the kids don't know is that it's actually a lockdown drill that the faculty staged.
01:00:29
So the police aren't coming.
01:00:30
The faculty make it to the science lab, which just so happens to be where Frodo and Josh are.
01:00:35
No.
01:00:37
But the good news for Frodo and Josh is that they are going to dissect pig fetuses that day.
01:00:42
So they're already armed with scalpels and other, you know, assorted scientific instruments.
01:00:48
So that they are able to kill the faculty instead of all of them, instead of them making the bomb.
01:00:56
Frodo and Josh pick off all the faculty.
01:00:58
But then because all the bomb stuff's out and here are these two kids with all these scalpels and shit and all the adults are dead, the police finally do come,
01:01:07
and they're like, they're like, my god you guys are gonna make a bomb and you killed all these people?
01:01:12
And so they get, they were, they essentially frame themselves, they go to jail, enter the faculty too, Frodo and Josh go to prison.
01:01:22
There's a sequel.
01:01:24
Oh my god.
01:01:28
Yep.
01:01:30
Thank you.
01:01:30
I would too.
01:01:31
Yeah, I haven't watched it because that's not what this movie is about.
01:01:36
I know, it's about aliens.
01:01:37
I looked out for the fact.
01:01:39
It is about aliens.
01:01:43
You know what though?
01:01:45
I really respect that you stuck to your prediction and you didn't change it after spoiling for yourself that it's aliens.
01:01:53
Yeah, it is.
01:01:57
Okay, but the poster doesn't, yeah.
01:02:01
It doesn't give away that it's aliens.
01:02:03
Yeah, I used my little American brain and I was like, hm, lockdown.
01:02:06
I like that, yeah, very American plot line.
01:02:10
Yeah.
01:02:11
I like it though.
01:02:11
I'm excited to watch it.
01:02:12
It has been a while since I've seen this one again.
01:02:15
Great cast.
01:02:16
Great cast.
01:02:17
You only focus on them.
01:02:19
It also has Clea DuVall in it.
01:02:21
Oh, like, a nepo baby.
01:02:23
Is she a nepo baby?
01:02:25
Duval?
01:02:26
Like Shelley?
01:02:27
don't think she's related to Shelley.
01:02:30
Yeah, sorry.
01:02:31
I don't see anything about her parents on her page.
01:02:35
You can't control F Shelley.
01:02:38
She's maybe it's like her aunt or something.
01:02:41
Not at all.
01:02:41
Okay, never mind.
01:02:42
don't think so.
01:02:46
But she did grow up in Los Angeles, so probably rich parents.
01:02:50
Anyways, yeah, I'm excited to watch it.
01:02:53
Do you know who did the screenplay?
01:02:55
Did you look that up?
01:02:57
No.
01:02:58
I just read the little description on Google just to see how close I got.
01:03:03
Yeah.
01:03:04
Who did it?
01:03:05
Kevin Williamson.
01:03:06
It's a comedy.
01:03:08
Well, yeah, it's got humor in it.
01:03:10
He doesn't just write comedies.
01:03:12
Yeah, do you know who that is?
01:03:15
You do, but...
01:03:15
No.
01:03:20
Who is it?
01:03:23
No.
01:03:25
Kevin Williamson wrote, I Know What You Did Last Summer and Scream.
01:03:29
Oh!
01:03:31
Yeah.
01:03:32
Blart Mall Cop isn't even who I'm thinking of.
01:03:34
I'm thinking of the guy from Jay and Silent Bob.
01:03:36
Kevin Smith?
01:03:36
Okay, not Kevin James, not Kevin Williamson.
01:03:42
Kevin Smith.
01:03:42
Yeah, but who we're talking about is Kevin Williamson.
01:03:45
It's the guy that wrote - Williamson that wrote.
01:03:47
who I'm talking about.
01:03:50
Yeah.
01:03:51
Cute.
01:03:52
Kevin Smith was in one of the Screams though, so
01:03:55
full circle.
01:03:57
You remember that cameo in Scream 3?
01:04:01
I remember it because yeah, he's like walking by on like a set tour and Gail comes out.
01:04:10
Yeah, yeah,
01:04:12
Yeah, I it's fresh in my mind because I my mom wanted to watch them.
01:04:16
So we watched through Scream 3.
01:04:19
Nice.
01:04:20
I'm turning my mom into a horror fan.
01:04:23
She loved the Quiet Place series, so she's in.
01:04:27
Loved it.
01:04:28
That's how we started.
01:04:29
That was episode two or three.
01:04:33
Yeah, three.
01:04:36
It was early on.
01:04:37
It was early on.
01:04:37
Yeah.
01:04:38
And you did really enjoy that.
01:04:39
Yeah, make your watch Smile.
01:04:41
I well, she's not a super big fan of like heavy jump scares.
01:04:47
So...
01:04:47
nothing like the Quiet Place.
01:04:49
I told her that going into it, but she said, the plot looks so good.
01:04:53
And she still was jumping every two seconds.
01:04:56
So yeah, we're getting started.
01:04:58
She watched that.
01:04:59
She watched, we saw Your Monster in theaters.
01:05:03
If it's, I can't remember if it's when this comes out, if it'll still be in theaters, but if it is go see it, it's very good.
01:05:10
And then A Quiet Place and Scream.
01:05:14
That might be it.
01:05:14
I can't remember.
01:05:15
I gave her other suggestions to watch though as well.
01:05:19
Based on the ones that she liked.
01:05:22
No, I didn't tell her to watch Martyrs!
01:05:24
You made me watch it!
01:05:26
Yeah, I'm fine with scarring you, I'm not gonna scar my mother, Jesus.
01:05:30
I kinda wanna watch that again.
01:05:31
Just to see if it was like as bad as I thought it was.
01:05:35
I bet if I watched it now I'd be like.
01:05:37
it's pretty graphic.
01:05:38
But yeah, mean, you do get desensitized at some point.
01:05:42
Happened to me in 98.
01:05:44
I was five years old.
01:05:47
I was five.
01:05:51
No, I'm kidding.
01:05:52
All right, cool.
01:05:53
Well,
01:05:54
I'm excited.
01:05:55
I'm excited for a rewatch.
01:05:56
Haven't seen it in a while.
01:05:59
Perhaps we can rewatch it together.
01:06:03
And hold hands.
01:06:04
Oh, okay.
01:06:08
we would.
01:06:09
We're
01:06:08
would.
01:06:08
We're far away.
01:06:09
want to watch it anymore.
01:06:15
I'm kidding.
01:06:16
Cool.
01:06:16
Well, thank you for listening.
01:06:18
If you've seen Heretic, which I hope you have because we just spoiled everything if you haven't.
01:06:23
But please let us know what you thought in the comments.
01:06:25
Is she alive?
01:06:26
Is she dead?
01:06:26
Is it a simulation?
01:06:28
You tell us.
01:06:30
It's not a simulation, so don't tell us that.
01:06:32
I don't think so, but if you think it is, give us your argument and we'll tell you why you're wrong.
01:06:41
Alright, we will see you next Tuesday.
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Bye.
01:06:45
Bye.