An incredible political satire from director Bong Joon Ho (Parasite, Snowpiercer), Host (2006) rejects the slow-burn monster flick and instead presents a fast-paced, funny, and moving commentary on governments’ reaction to tragedy.
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In this episode of the Killer Cuties Podcast, hosts Cassidy and Kd discuss the 2006 South Korean film 'The Host' directed by Bong Joon-ho. They explore various themes including the film's unique blend of genres, its emotional impact, and the cultural commentary it provides on American militarization and South Korean society. The conversation also touches on the film's real-life inspirations, behind-the-scenes insights, and the creative decisions that shaped the monster's design. The hosts share their thoughts on the film's reception and Bong Joon-ho's directing style, making for an engaging and insightful discussion. In this engaging conversation, the hosts delve into the intricacies of Bong Joon-ho's film 'The Host,' exploring its unique creature design, environmental themes, and production insights. They discuss the film's critical reception, personal opinions, and ratings, while also contemplating survival strategies in a monster scenario. The episode concludes with a prediction for the next movie, 'Triangle,' highlighting the hosts' dynamic and humorous rapport throughout the discussion.
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Killer Cuties Podcast, The Host, Bong Joon-ho, horror films, gaming news, movie trailers, cultural commentary, emotional storytelling, monster design, South Korean cinema, The Host, Bong Joon-ho, monster movie, creature design, environmental commentary, film analysis, movie ratings, survival strategies, Triangle
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Hello?
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Hi, happy Tuesday!
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Happy Tuesday.
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It's actually Friday.
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Well, for us, not for the people.
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Yeah, we're filming this on a beautiful Friday afternoon, actually.
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It's been very gloomy in LA the past couple days, so.
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Yeah, I need the sun.
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Always.
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Okay.
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No
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Well, we're Killer Cuties Podcast and we're here to talk about The Host.
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We are.
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And we're your hosts.
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See?
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See what I did there?
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We should have just gone right in.
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I kind of ruined it by saying that.
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I'm Cassidy.
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Well, but I already said that we're the Killer Cuties Podcast
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Yeah, and then I'm saying, we're your hosts, I'm Cassidy.
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Yeah, see how that could have been seamless?
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See how that could have been really cool?
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Could have been, one day.
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that's all right.
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We're back with some news.
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Little ones, little ones.
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Well, one biggish one, I think.
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Okay.
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Do you want to start?
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Great.
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I'll start with the smaller of the two.
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Phasmophobia, the yeah, it's a great game.
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If you've never played it, you play as a ghost hunter.
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You go and you have to figure out what kind of ghost is in the house that you're in.
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It's super fun.
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It's how most of our friend group have met, which is crazy to think about.
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All those years ago.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, seems like about the time that we met was when they started teasing that they were going to drop the game on console and it's finally coming to console.
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Xbox and PlayStation get the game next week, the 29th.
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That's crazy!
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Wait, the 29th, that already happened.
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It's November.
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Is it November?
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Yeah, behind the scenes we're filming a little out of order because my mother is coming into town to visit.
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So unbeknownst to kd, this episode is coming out on November 5th.
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So long ago, if you have a console, you can play Phasmophobia right now.
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Yeah, nice!
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Yay for you!
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And you should!
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Yeah, it's a great game, super fun.
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And it has VR support, you can VR if you'd like.
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Yeah.
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Trailer news.
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Both of mine are actually trailers.
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Fun facts.
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Yeah, we'll link it in the description, but the new trailer for The Strangers: Chapter 2 is out.
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Earlier this year, The Strangers: Chapter 1 kicked off a new trilogy for the franchise, and it didn't do well critically at all.
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But it did do pretty good at the box office, so they're powering through.
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Maybe this one will be better.
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Maybe.
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And possibly, because in the trailer they just said coming soon.
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They did not announce a release date and originally we were told that it was going to be a released fall of 2024, which is now.
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And now it's coming soon.
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So it's pushed back, clearly.
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I think probably 2025 is when we're going to get it, but maybe that means that they were taking some...
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Maybe they were doing something different.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Does it fall technically last until December 22nd?
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Not in my heart.
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Well, well, like, as far as the solstice is concerned, I think it's December 22nd.
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Sure, yeah, that checks out.
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Okay, so we've still got some time.
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Maybe it is coming out this year.
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That's crazy though to do the first two movies of a franchise in the same year.
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Well, they filmed them all back to back.
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Yeah, that's why it was like, yeah, so I don't know if they're like, I don't I don't know why it's getting pushed back.
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I don't know if they're re-editing or doing reshoots because it did was didn't - people didn't like it very much.
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Or if they're just, it got pushed back for other reasons, but or maybe it's still coming out.
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I feel like that's crazy, though, to not have a release date at this point.
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Yeah.
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Like Nosferatu's had a release date in December for the past year, so like I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Some studios are better planners than others.
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It's not not true.
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One more from me, Luca Guadagnino the director of Challengers, Challengers I almost said champions, Challengers and Bones and All, is in final negotiations to direct a brand new
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version of American Psycho.
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Not to be confused with Psycho which I've been doing all day since I planned on talking about this.
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I haven't seen American Psycho,
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but I know it's a classic.
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You haven't seen American Psycho, that's interesting.
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Okay.
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I guess it is kind of like horror comedy, so...
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counts, I guess.
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It's satire, entirely.
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But like...
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a lot of men don't understand that.
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Yeah, it's a satire.
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The book is written as a satire on kind of masculinity by a gay man.
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And then the movie was directed by a woman who also kind of fed into that.
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Yeah, it's on my list of like red flags if a man tells you it's his favorite movie, but white flag if a woman says it, you know?
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Yeah, it's like, it's like Fight Club in that sense.
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Yeah.
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Fight Club is the same way.
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Well.
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Keep an eye out, I guess.
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Maybe the men are coming to ruin it.
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Maybe the men are coming to ruin it, who's to say?
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We'll find out in a couple years.
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Yeah.
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Okay, another trailer, because that's all I have.
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All I have are trailers.
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Watch all the trailers in - your little heart can handle.
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A while back.
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I'm so sorry.
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I'm in such a weird mood today.
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A while back we talked about The Creep Tapes, which is based on the found footage film Creep.
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I think we had mentioned it because Mark Duplass got a TikTok and kind of announced it that way.
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But as a reminder, it's a series that's going to be continuing the franchise.
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Shudder has released the official trailer for the series.
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We're going to link that in the description.
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And the series is described as a collection of videotapes in the secret vault of the world's deadliest and most socially uncomfortable serial killer who hires his victims to
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film him for a day under false pretences.
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Each episode is going to be exposing a new victim from one of the fabled creep tapes.
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And Mark Duplass and Patrick Bryce, who co-wrote the original films, are both going to be returning to the series, so very exciting.
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Yeah.
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Can't say I know much about Creep other than that it was a micro-budget, which I've been able to work into the last three or four podcast episodes.
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Yeah, you love talking about Creep despite never having seen it.
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I gotta put it on the list, geez.
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I mean, it's on the list.
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It hasn't gotten on the schedule somehow.
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One day.
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Nice.
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Look at us.
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Alright, well, we're not here to talk about Creep, unfortunately.
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We're here to talk about The Host.
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The 20-
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2006.
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I was like, how do I say 2006 when I said 20 first and I couldn't think of it.
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The 2006 horror sci-fi film by Bong Joon-ho from Google, a little summary.
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Careless American military personnel dump chemicals into South Korea's Han River.
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Several years later, a creature emerges from the tainted waters and sinks its ravenous jaws into local residents.
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When the creature abducts their daughter, a vendor and his family decide that they are the only ones who can save her.
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Again, it was directed by Bong Joon-ho.
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Screenplay is also by Bong Joon-ho, Ha Joon-won, and Baek Chul-hyun.
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I hope I'm saying those all right.
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And it's starring Song Kang-ho and Byun Hee-bong.
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It has a 7.1 on IMDb, a 93 % critic score and 72 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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It had an $11 million budget, insane, and made around 89 to 92 million at box office.
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And it's a Korean film.
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Did I mention that?
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I wanna say you said South Korean but yeah I feel like if you know who Bong Joon-ho is you know that it's a South Korean film.
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God I love him.
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Yeah.
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This movie was a rollercoaster.
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Yeah, I think, I don't understand how he does it, but he's able to put in so many different genres of film into one movie and do it so seamlessly and I'll never understand,
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but I love it.
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Yeah, because this is very clearly comedy.
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Horror, sci-fi,
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political commentary, drama.
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But I mean, that's all of his movies.
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Like.
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I am acting like I know what I'm talking about, you, you, you, agree with you.
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You know what you're talking about.
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I know what I'm talking about.
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But he's able to do that a lot.
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I mean, he did it with Snowpiercer, he did it with Parasite, he did it with Memories of a Murder, where it's like he's got a lot of these different things going on and there's
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always kind of an underlying social commentary.
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And I feel like he does it so intelligently and so well.
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It's not in your face, it's just kind of like these subtle kind of, this one's much more satirical than some of the other ones are, but yeah.
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Love.
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that I've seen is Snowpiercer.
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Okay, I think there's definitely satirical elements in that one.
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I think this one's probably the funniest one of his.
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Yeah.
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I keep agreeing with you like, yeah, you're right.
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It's just because I know that you're right.
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seen Parasite, right?
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It's been so long.
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I saw it right when it came out, like COVID time.
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Okay, yeah.
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That's fair.
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Oh, yeah.
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Unbelievable film.
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Yeah, that's always on my list of like movies I think everybody should watch at least once.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I know this movie is a rollercoaster more than that.
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It's like each scene is a rollercoaster.
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It's like a fucking amusement park the whole movie.
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Yeah, it is.
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I didn't realize it was a comedy until the funeral scene, I think is like in hindsight, I think that that's about where the comedy starts.
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I feel like the beginning, like, the main character is definitely kind of like this goofy, like, they're clearly making fun of the fact that he's like a loser basically.
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Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's just character development.
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I didn't think it was like, at that point, I wasn't like, okay, this, need to laugh.
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Yeah, yeah, but the funeral scene, I was like sobbing and then your sob just turned into like cackles because it just goes on for so long.
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The scene, masterful timing in these scenes, like the, when the four of them sit down to -
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There's another scene where you're like laughing and then crying.
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Where the four sit down to...
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and they just just sit down to eat their ramen and then they just all sit there like staring at the ramen waiting for it to be done.
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And then all four of them at the same time just start eating it.
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That that was just so like masterfully timed.
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And then like 10 seconds later, you're crying because he puts the daughter in the background to like and he even said it kind of gives them the last final moment of the
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four of them alive.
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Which is really sad.
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So anyway, like so many scenes where I had tears, but were they like happy tears or were they sad tears?
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Yeah, I'll be honest, I had a bit of a crisis today, so I had to watch the movie on 2x speed so that I could get it done.
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Because I needed a refresher, it's been a while since I've seen it, and I'm sad because I didn't get to fully enjoy it.
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But even on 2x speed, were times where I was like, oh god, am I gonna cry?
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Yeah.
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And the fact that they have to like mourn her twice, it's so devastating and-
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And then the dad, when he dies too, it's...
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Yeah.
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But they did say, the director did say specifically that that was sort of a commentary on like he, he felt content that he had done everything he could to save his family.
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And that's why he was so like willing to die in that moment, which is so sad.
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I know.
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Yeah, he's just like, masterful timing, masterful conveying of emotions.
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It's just a master class, I guess.
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Yeah, I think he's incredible.
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I'm really excited to watch the rest of his movies.
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Yeah, there's still a couple that I haven't seen that I have on my watch list because I have yet to watch a movie of his that I did not thoroughly enjoy.
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Yeah.
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Did he do Tale of Two Sisters?
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Okay.
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The composer that did this movie did Tale Two Sisters.
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Which is funny because watching and you know how composers and directors often work together more than once.
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I'm going on a total tangent here but when we watched Tale of Two Sisters I was like, wow this is like kind of like,
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the music is kind of like Miyazaki vibes.
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It's kind of like, you know, My Neighbor Totoro vibes, but like not quite.
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It's not quite there.
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And I had that exact same thought watching this movie.
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I was like, my God, I wonder if it's the same guy that did Tale of Two Sisters.
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And sure enough, it was.
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Anyway, sorry that was a tangent.
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No, you're fine.
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I did look it up though.
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It's Kim Jee-woon who did, directed and wrote Tale of Two Sisters.
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But yeah, this is only his third film, Bong Joon-ho.
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And I can't remember why.
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I think
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Memories of a Murder came before this and one other one.
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Let me look it up.
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Let me look it up.
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Filmography.
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Yes, Barking Dogs Never Bite and then Memories of Murder and then The Host.
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But I like he works with a lot of the same people.
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Yeah, that's why I was like, that's why I asked.
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Yeah.
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Song Kang-ho is in...
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I think all the ones I just listed.
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Well, he was in Memories of a Murder, he was in Parasite, he was in Snowpiercer.
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From what I remember.
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He's the dad in the...
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the son in this one or the dad.
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he's the younger dad.
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Not the grandfather, but the dad, yeah.
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The guy with the blonde hair.
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Yeah, I've never seen some of his other movies, so I don't know if he's in those as well.
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He's great.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the whole cast was incredible.
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Mm-hmm.
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The kids, the monster.
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The monster, yeah the monster's acting chops really showed through.
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Yeah,
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he was great.
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Bring him back for a different film.
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They had a sequel planned and I think they filmed some scenes for it, but it got scrapped.
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And I think there was also supposed to be an American remake of this and that also got scrapped, so.
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And it was all announced at the same time, like shortly after this movie came out.
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Because this was, critically, this movie was a huge success.
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In Korea especially.
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Yeah, it was like the highest grossing film at the time, I think.
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No way, Parasite has to be number one now.
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As of, as of March 2009, that was a long time ago.
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Okay, yeah.
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I was like, I'm sure not anymore.
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I know Parasite,
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at least when it came out was that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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At the time that it came out, 2009, so a couple years after it came out, over 20 % of the South Korean population had seen the movie in theaters.
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That's crazy.
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That's insane.
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As they should.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I guess the the Korean government is usually really critical of those kinds of cultural phenomenon.
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But they saw it as a really like stringent opposition to American militarization of Korea or just like the American military in general.
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So they're like, hell yeah, everybody watch this movie.
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Even though it's very clearly also
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a commentary on South Korean government.
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It is, is.
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But yeah, even North Korea, they loved it.
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And that's not a thing that happens when it comes to South Korean blockbusters.
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But America, yeah, I was like, I know North Korea, like, lauded this film because it was so anti-American.
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I think that's really funny if I'm being honest.
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But Bong Joon-ho said that he didn't feel like it was that anti-American.
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Like, he knew that it was a political satire for sure.
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I thought it was kind of anti-American, but I'm not mad about it.
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Every movie we're fed is very pro-America, so I'm happy to see us as the bad guy, because historically we have been, so...
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And presently we have been.
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Yeah, America is not a perfect country.
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Can't think of one, but we are definitely not it.
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no, we're definitely not.
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Not even close.
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Couldn't be us.
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On that note, this is based off a true story.
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The beginning, yes.
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Yeah, the kind of like catalyst for what grows the monster, I guess.
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And it is about the United States military, a failure of the United States military.
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In February of 2000, at a US military facility located in the center of Seoul, a US military civilian employee named something McFarland, his last name was McFarland, was
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ordered to dispose of formaldehyde by demigating to the sewer system that led into the Han River.
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Despite his South Korean subordinates objection.
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So like very much shot for shot the opening of this movie.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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And I don't even think he ever served time or anything.
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Like he...
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America...
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Yeah, America wouldn't let him be prosecuted.
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And so they like determined he was guilty, but like in absentia.
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So like he wasn't even there for it.
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Also, by the way, I just learned how to say that word.
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Thank you.
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Absentia.
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Yeah.
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No, I didn't for this.
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I...
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watched a movie called Absentia by Mike Flanagan and yeah, it was on my Hooptober list.
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And I, when I put it on my list, kept thinking Absentia.
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And then they said it in the movie, absentia.
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And I was like, there it is.
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Okay, great.
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And I could have pretended like I knew how to say it the whole time, but I'm a woman who admits her flaws.
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Thank you for your candor.
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No problem.
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Anyway, yeah, he never served his prison sentence.
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He was found guilty eventually.
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Yeah, he did, eventually, in person.
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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm.
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Never, never served.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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Do you wanna know my favorite fun fact?
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Does it have anything to do with Adam Sandler?
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Just like, adjacently?
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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Bong Joon-ho and the designer of the creature nicknamed it Steve Buscemi.
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Yeah, that's that's adjacently about Adam Sandler.
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How is that adjacently about Adam Sandler?
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Buscemi and Adam Sandler worked together on every film ever.
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Not Fargo, which is the one that they were referencing.
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You brought Adam Sandler into this.
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I still don't know why, but you decided to do it.
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How many movies have Adam Sandler and Steve Buscemi worked together in?
00:22:27
Easily seven.
00:22:28
Hubie Halloween, for one.
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I just know it's available on Netflix for you to watch now.
00:22:43
The one with golfing and the guy with the foot.
00:22:46
He was in Happy Gilmore?
00:22:49
I don't remember Steve Buscemi in there.
00:22:53
I did, but I can't even find anything.
00:22:55
It's just Adam Sandler movies that are coming up.
00:22:59
I know them.
00:23:00
They - like Mr.
00:23:03
Deeds is the one I can remember.
00:23:05
that - not yeah, that's the one I'm talking about That's not the golf one.
00:23:10
Yeah, Mr.
00:23:10
Deeds they're together.
00:23:11
think Steve Buscemi is in Happy Gilmore now.
00:23:15
Mm-hmm.
00:23:18
Is he in Lil Nicky?
00:23:20
I haven't seen little Nicky since...
00:23:22
I don't think so.
00:23:25
How many movies do Adam Sandler and Steve, it's a search.
00:23:31
I didn't even have to type the whole thing.
00:23:33
Mm-hmm.
00:23:33
Well, it autofills everything.
00:23:36
No, which ones?
00:23:38
That's the number of Adam Sandler films that Steve Buscemi has starred in.
00:23:41
Yeah, they started in Airheads, Billy Madison, Wedding Singer, Big Daddy, Mr.
00:23:45
Deeds, I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry, Grown Ups, Hotel Transylvania, One, Two, and Three, Grown Ups 2, The Cobbler, The Ridiculous Six, and Hubie Halloween.
00:23:54
Wow.
00:23:56
Not so crazy, after all, am I?
00:23:59
No, I just, I still think it was a weird question.
00:24:08
Yeah, it was just, it threw me off.
00:24:12
I wasn't expecting you, maybe if you had said like, does it have to do with Spy Kids?
00:24:15
I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense to me.
00:24:19
Cause Steve Buscemi, like, you know, famously was in Spy Kids.
00:24:23
I'm sorry, I just don't.
00:24:24
If it was David Spade, like if the monster's name was David Spade and you said, it have to do with Adam Sandler?
00:24:31
I'd like, yeah, maybe.
00:24:32
Or like Rob Schneider.
00:24:33
I associate them more with him than Steve Buscemi.
00:24:36
You know what I mean?
00:24:37
I don't.
00:24:38
If it was David Spade, would have said, it have anything to do with llamas?
00:24:43
So for David Spade, you would reference a movie he was in.
00:24:48
But for Steve Buscemi, me saying Spy Kids was crazy to you.
00:24:52
You looked like fucking shook.
00:24:54
yes, because instead of referencing one niche movie that he was in, I referenced 16 movies that he's been in!
00:25:04
Their niche!
00:25:07
Spy Kids 2?
00:25:10
Spy Kids 2 is a masterpiece.
00:25:12
the gamut of all generations.
00:25:15
His movies can be enjoyed by everyone, Cassidy.
00:25:21
Hahaha.
00:25:22
you dick riding Adam Sandler?
00:25:26
I don't know.
00:25:27
I'm so confused.
00:25:29
need to be this big of a bit.
00:25:31
I was just making a comment about how often Steve Buscemi and Adam Sandler work together.
00:25:36
I'm so sorry Bong Joon-ho.
00:25:38
So I'm so sorry that this happened.
00:25:41
It's crazy.
00:25:46
Oh shoot.
00:25:48
Anyway, the monster's name is Steve Buscemi.
00:25:52
Yeah, yeah, that's what they called it.
00:25:55
Cause he's in Fargo.
00:25:56
You're not s-
00:25:58
What?
00:26:00
Like you just say like, cause he's in Fargo, like that's a good enough reason to name it after him.
00:26:05
You have to say that it was because of the persona that he had in that and the way he acted.
00:26:11
Not just because he's in Fargo, he has to have a monster named after him.
00:26:17
okay, because the character he plays in Fargo.
00:26:21
Oh, my God.
00:26:23
Jesus.
00:26:26
I feel like you get me worked up on purpose.
00:26:30
I was asking questions and then you started screaming about it.
00:26:37
That had nothing to do with me.
00:26:40
God.
00:26:41
When I worked at Disney.
00:26:43
When I worked at Disney he used to come into the hotels all the time.
00:26:47
Under - Adam not Steve.
00:26:53
And he's very much just like
00:26:56
the dad, exactly the characters he plays.
00:26:59
He would put sunscreen on his nose and like the white stuff on his nose.
00:27:04
He would put his name, his hotel reservation, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway, under like Billy Madison or like characters that he's portrayed
00:27:14
in movies so that it wasn't like quite as obvious that it was him.
00:27:17
Yeah, he was very much, yeah.
00:27:20
there you go.
00:27:20
That's, we're getting more behind the scenes as to why you love Adam Sandler so much.
00:27:28
He's just a nice guy.
00:27:31
That's true.
00:27:33
Listen, I want to be clear.
00:27:34
I've never been anti-Adam Sandler.
00:27:38
I was just confused.
00:27:41
Yeah, well.
00:27:44
Speaking of Steve Buscemi, because the movie, The Host, we're going back to The Host.
00:27:51
We're done talking about Adam Sandler.
00:27:54
30 minutes, 30 minutes we've talked about Adam Sandler.
00:28:01
Anyways, The Host was such a cultural phenomenon in South Korea that they made a statue of the creature, Steve Buscemi, and they put it on the bank of the Han River.
00:28:15
I don't know if it's still there.
00:28:16
They put it up in 2015.
00:28:17
I hope it's still there.
00:28:20
Yeah, if you are around the area of the Han River or if you've been there recently, please let us know if it's still there.
00:28:28
Do you think North Korea got upset about it around COVID time?
00:28:32
About the movie?
00:28:32
About the movie?
00:28:33
Probably not.
00:28:35
There are so many parallels with COVID.
00:28:40
Yeah, but I doubt that they're thinking about like a 2006 hit film when there's, you know, a global crisis going on.
00:28:48
I don't think they were like...
00:28:49
That's true.
00:28:52
But I think they had their hands full.
00:28:54
I don't think that they were like, what if people watch this movie and think it's a social commentary about today's world?
00:29:00
Yeah.
00:29:01
Yeah, I guess.
00:29:04
There were a ton of parallels though.
00:29:07
They mentioned SARS as a potential risk factor.
00:29:11
The United States is supposedly like leading the charge of developing all the like technology or whatever and people are then unsure about how safe it's gonna be.
00:29:20
Manifests as cold like symptoms or like they say it manifests as cold like symptoms.
00:29:24
The whole like masking quarantine thing and then ultimately like the conspiracy that it was all just kind of made up.
00:29:32
Yeah, well I mean in the film it is all made up.
00:29:34
Yes.
00:29:35
Yeah.
00:29:36
COVID is real.
00:29:39
To be clear, we have to, in today's world, we have to be very clear about that and say, we know COVID is very real.
00:29:50
But yes, I could see how, you know, conspiracy theorists and stuff could see the similarities and think, my God, you're right.
00:30:00
It's ahead of its time.
00:30:02
A couple fun facts about Bong Joon-ho in developing a monster movie itself.
00:30:08
One, he felt it was really important to have the family save the day, right?
00:30:12
Like this kind of dysfunctional, everyman family.
00:30:15
Because he thinks in so many monster movies it's like the scientist or some muscle hero that saves the day.
00:30:22
And he's like, no, what if it's just these people that don't even really care about the monster, they just want their kid back?
00:30:28
They're the ones that are going to take it down.
00:30:31
And then also when he first started talking about making this movie, he kind of was frustrated because a lot of people have like preconceived notions or kind of prejudices
00:30:44
against monster movies and what they are and they're not for everybody, right?
00:30:49
And he would- like told his friends about it and they were all like, don't do it.
00:30:53
You're better than that,
00:30:54
put your talents elsewhere, don't do a monster movie.
00:30:58
And he described those comments as little wounds to the heart and then he made it in secret anyway because he believed in it and he was right!
00:31:07
He was right.
00:31:09
Yeah, when I read about that, it made me think of like, what I love so much about Godzilla Minus One is it's very much that way too.
00:31:18
It's like, tale of the underdog.
00:31:21
It's like not who you expect to, like quote, save the day.
00:31:26
Very heavily leans into like the family aspect and.
00:31:30
I have yet to see that.
00:31:32
I heard it's supposed to re-release in theater, like they're putting it back in theaters for a little bit, so maybe I'll go see it then.
00:31:37
this is the fourth time it's been released back in theaters.
00:31:41
Because yeah, they put it back.
00:31:44
They did a black and white version, which was really beautiful.
00:31:47
And then they did a color version immediately after that, just so that people could see it both ways at the same time.
00:31:54
And then yes, I think it's like Godzilla's 70th anniversary or something.
00:31:57
Cool, I'll have to go see it.
00:32:00
Okay.
00:32:02
Another little monster fact, Bong Joon-ho talked about how he hates the tradition of keeping the monster kind of hidden or obscured and then having like a big reveal at the
00:32:14
end.
00:32:15
So he was like, we're not going to do that - first like 15 minutes full view monster.
00:32:20
That's what we're going for.
00:32:21
He's like, we're getting it out of the way.
00:32:22
That way we can focus on the actual story and the family and what they're going through rather than this whole like, when are we going to see the monster thing?
00:32:31
Which I like that.
00:32:32
I respect it.
00:32:34
Show all your cards in the first 15 minutes.
00:32:36
Go crazy.
00:32:37
Yeah, it worked.
00:32:41
kind of like movement of the monster, which to me was very unique.
00:32:49
I couldn't even think of like an animal that moves in that way.
00:32:54
anyway, like even that was, you know, directed by Bong Joon-ho.
00:33:00
He kind of got this idea of the monster being able to swing from its tail.
00:33:05
Because that's how the monster would have to move to be able to get around the bridge the way that it did.
00:33:11
So that was interesting that he clearly put a lot of thought into the whole monster thing.
00:33:18
yeah, like just using the setting, because I think he was set on the fact that it was going to be the Han River.
00:33:24
So using that set and basically saying like, what is this monster going to look like?
00:33:29
And how is it going to move around this area?
00:33:31
It's really interesting.
00:33:33
And I know they also, him and the creature designer, which I could not find that person's name, so I'm so sorry.
00:33:40
But whoever worked on it.
00:33:41
Orphanage is the company, think.
00:33:44
Yeah.
00:33:44
one main person because in all the like facts and stuff I was finding it kept saying him and the creature designer but no one would say like who that person's name is so I
00:33:53
apologize, they deserve their flowers.
00:33:57
But they really wanted it to look different than monsters that you typically see which is kind of Godzilla, Dragon-y, right?
00:34:02
Like that's a very common design so they went more for like a mutated fish look.
00:34:11
Yeah, they literally took inspiration from mutated fish.
00:34:16
The, the like inside of his mouth kind of reminded me of
00:34:21
the design for The Quiet Place.
00:34:24
Like the multiple openings, like flaps, I guess, coming apart.
00:34:30
Yeah.
00:34:31
He also, the studio was like, you got to stop doing full on shots because they cost more money, like do more side profiles.
00:34:39
Yeah.
00:34:41
They cut down the shot list quite a bit from storyboard to what they went with.
00:34:45
was like 180 down to 120, which is sad.
00:34:48
I wouldn't mind more Steve Buscemi.
00:34:52
Who wouldn't?
00:34:53
Yeah, I think they had budget constraints, so they kind of had to...
00:34:55
It was 2006.
00:34:59
Yeah, $11 million in 2006.
00:35:02
That's a lot of money.
00:35:03
It is a lot of money.
00:35:04
But it was also kind of a big undertaking.
00:35:07
Like a creature that's shown as much as it is in full view.
00:35:11
Broad daylight.
00:35:13
Nothing really obscuring it.
00:35:15
I'm sure it cost a lot for the companies to create that.
00:35:19
Yeah, totally.
00:35:21
Cute little fun fact.
00:35:23
Lee Dong-ho plays the younger of the two orphans, the one that he ends up adopting at the end, the dad.
00:35:30
And Bong Joon-ho on set would refer to him as the little king because he said everybody just wanted to make him happy and to like do whatever he wanted.
00:35:40
He was just running to - running things on set, you know?
00:35:45
he did a very good job.
00:35:47
He was so cute.
00:35:48
Yeah.
00:35:50
kind of forgot how sad it was.
00:35:53
Yeah.
00:35:54
Yikes.
00:35:55
We missed, we missed a fact about the monster and his design.
00:36:00
The Agent Yellow pod that the, like, gas or whatever comes out of was also designed specifically to resemble the creature hanging upside down.
00:36:12
Yeah.
00:36:13
Which I think, again, like very symbolic.
00:36:16
The real monster is the people, not, you know, this thing that was just a byproduct of
00:36:21
littering.
00:36:22
yeah, yeah.
00:36:25
My God, we were driving, we were driving back home.
00:36:27
First of all, we have had an incredibly dry monsoon season in Arizona.
00:36:32
So it's fucking dry.
00:36:33
And of course I say that on the one day that it's raining.
00:36:38
Last night I was driving behind this guy, he threw an entire lit cigarette out his window.
00:36:42
I flashed my brights, I tailgated that bitch until he got to his house.
00:36:47
kd!
00:36:52
Truly though, in this day and age, I don't understand it.
00:36:58
Imagine going out on a first date or something and they just throw something out their window.
00:37:03
I would call 911.
00:37:05
Yeah!
00:37:08
Especially a lit cigarette in fucking Phoenix?
00:37:12
On the mountain that just literally a month and a half ago caught fire?
00:37:17
Hmm.
00:37:19
Not good.
00:37:20
Yeah.
00:37:22
Another thing I liked about this movie is that they only built one set.
00:37:28
The little lair, the monster's lair.
00:37:32
Everything else was like actually the Wonhyo Bridge.
00:37:35
Which is kind of fun.
00:37:36
Yeah, the fact that they were able to find like sewer locations and stuff like that.
00:37:41
Obviously not like THE sewer location, but still.
00:37:44
All just under the bridge.
00:37:45
Damn.
00:37:46
Yeah, crazy.
00:37:47
No, it's a bridge.
00:37:50
Hahaha
00:37:52
Please!
00:37:55
Okay, what other fun facts do you have?
00:38:01
I think we mentioned briefly that this movie is critically acclaimed.
00:38:07
It is.
00:38:08
Quentin Tarantino also listed this as one of his top 20 favorite films between the years of 1992 and 2009.
00:38:18
What?
00:38:20
I don't like Quentin Tarantino.
00:38:22
Something's off about him.
00:38:25
I don't like him one bit.
00:38:27
I just don't, I'm sorry.
00:38:28
I think he's a weird little creep and I don't want anything to do with it.
00:38:33
Yeah, I don't blame you.
00:38:35
Thank you.
00:38:35
to pick between him and Adam Sandler.
00:38:37
You'd pick Adam?
00:38:41
my god, okay, I was like, it's not even a choice.
00:38:43
No, that was the joke.
00:38:47
God.
00:38:49
Yeah, no, I don't.
00:38:50
I'm not a fan of him.
00:38:52
But it is interesting that he loves it.
00:38:56
I just feel it's not for him.
00:38:58
He should back off.
00:39:00
We're gatekeeping this incredibly successful film, specifically from Quentin Tarantino.
00:39:06
the man that if he, like he's gonna tell you his favorite movie's Fight Club and it's gonna be a red flag.
00:39:11
Like he didn't get it.
00:39:15
No.
00:39:18
Absolutely not.
00:39:20
I thought he did.
00:39:21
I thought he did.
00:39:22
He did.
00:39:23
He did Pulp Fiction.
00:39:26
Right.
00:39:26
He did do Pulp Fiction.
00:39:28
Fight Club was David Fincher though, famously.
00:39:33
I don't even know who that is.
00:39:37
You do know who that is because he directed Fight Club and Seven and Gone Girl and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and The Social Network
00:39:50
and Alien 3, kd.
00:39:53
What?
00:39:54
Okay.
00:39:54
Well, I guess I know him.
00:39:56
Yeah, no, David Fincher is a very famous director.
00:40:03
I don't know.
00:40:04
I feel like we didn't really start talking about directors until the last 20 years.
00:40:10
You know, 15 years?
00:40:13
You didn't, because you were a child before then and you didn't care.
00:40:18
People were talking about directors for a long time.
00:40:23
Since Hitchcock.
00:40:26
Alfred, I didn't, well I didn't know if you were talking about the Will Smith movie.
00:40:32
It's Hancock.
00:40:34
Will Smith was in Hitch and he was in Hancock.
00:40:38
He was not in Hitchcock.
00:40:39
I was close.
00:40:41
Also wanna just get that out there.
00:40:44
Well, to be fair...
00:40:47
Those words combined create Hitchcock.
00:40:52
Look, I can't get everything right every time, okay?
00:40:57
It's a lot funnier when I don't.
00:40:58
This is the weirdest episode we've ever-
00:41:02
We're both having a really weird day and it's just like coming out in the podcast.
00:41:07
It's really showing in our incoherent ramblings today.
00:41:13
At least we're having fun.
00:41:14
Yeah, this is a great time.
00:41:19
Any other fun facts?
00:41:23
I have one more and it's, it's specifically directed at Justin Timberlake.
00:41:27
Haha!
00:41:33
Do you know what I'm gonna say or is that just...
00:41:36
What the fuck is going on?
00:41:42
Okay, so just listen, just listen.
00:41:45
The blonde tips in the hair, blonde hair with black roots on Song Kang-ho was a deliberate choice by Bong Joon-ho to make the character appear lazy and not very bright.
00:42:04
I just think that's really funny because Justin Timberlake popularized that.
00:42:10
Frosted tips, you know.
00:42:14
Lazy
00:42:17
and stupid.
00:42:18
I wish I could live inside your brain for like an hour.
00:42:23
I think an hour is all I could take, just to see how your mind is unbelievable.
00:42:36
Perfectly.
00:42:37
I can't imagine thinking of anything else when you read that fact.
00:42:44
Because he popularized frosted tips!
00:42:48
I'm not arguing.
00:42:53
Holy fuck.
00:42:56
Mm-hmm.
00:42:57
I think we should rate the movie now.
00:43:02
Haha.
00:43:03
if we don't, I'm gonna break.
00:43:05
Oh god.
00:43:10
Okay, well, The Host, 2006.
00:43:12
How scary do think it was?
00:43:15
I gave it a one.
00:43:18
It's a monster movie.
00:43:20
It's definitely satire.
00:43:21
There's a lot of comedy in it.
00:43:23
I think it's more sad than it scary.
00:43:25
But yeah, what about you?
00:43:28
I gave it a 1.5, but I think it's more because it's like harrowing and heavy than it is scary.
00:43:35
Like COVID already happened.
00:43:37
I'm not scared of that.
00:43:38
But I think the kids in dangerous situations made me uncomfortable enough to like, I need to put a point somewhere and scary is where that landed.
00:43:47
Yeah.
00:43:48
Half a point.
00:43:49
Having a kid, I could see how this would be a little bit different of a watch.
00:43:53
Yeah.
00:43:55
Yeah.
00:43:56
when we first, when this podcast was not even a podcast, it was just me making a list of movies for you to watch.
00:44:04
And I remember being like, like, are there any triggers or anything that you don't want to see in it?
00:44:08
And you sent over like 30 triggers.
00:44:13
There were so many, and I was trying to organize movies, but it was like every movie had at least something because you were like, I don't want a kid harmed in any way, physically
00:44:22
or emotionally.
00:44:22
And I was like, that's...
00:44:24
Like a lot of them.
00:44:25
favorite movies.
00:44:29
Hahaha
00:44:31
No.
00:44:33
But yeah, I do remember that.
00:44:35
So we've come a long way.
00:44:39
Yeah.
00:44:41
Right, right, Yeah.
00:44:45
How sexy did you think it was?
00:44:49
I didn't get to mention this, but some of the cinematography in this movie was very, very good.
00:44:57
Like, I mean, a lot of it was.
00:45:00
The cinematography is kind of like...
00:45:02
Anyway, it's very good.
00:45:06
I was going to say like it's the scenes with the monster that it...
00:45:10
You're really focused on the monster, so you can't really focus on the cinematography.
00:45:13
But anyway, like the scenes in the Agent Yellow,
00:45:19
Mm-hmm.
00:45:20
Yeah.
00:45:20
where they're in the food stand looking out at the monster, that was really cool.
00:45:25
The shot of the banner kind of flapping in the wind at the end.
00:45:30
Teeing up to my rating.
00:45:33
It just kind of created this sort of like air about the character sometimes.
00:45:38
So I gave it a 1.5.
00:45:40
Okay.
00:45:42
And tentacles.
00:45:43
Yeah, I was wondering when that was gonna come in.
00:45:46
Yeah.
00:45:47
Honestly, I should give it a two because of the tentacles.
00:45:49
I didn't even, I didn't remember the tentacles until right now.
00:45:51
I was focused on other stuff.
00:45:53
But thinking back, I think it's because it didn't have suckers.
00:45:58
It was more like a tail than a tentacle, you know?
00:46:02
I'll keep it at a 1.5.
00:46:03
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:46:06
Well, I'm going to tell you how sexy I think it was first.
00:46:08
Yeah, you're right.
00:46:09
I forgot about you.
00:46:12
I give it a two on the sexy scale.
00:46:15
Both because monsters are kind of sexy and also the sister with her little bow and arrow.
00:46:24
That was pretty hot.
00:46:24
I liked that.
00:46:25
Yeah, the OG Katniss Everdeen.
00:46:28
Exactly.
00:46:30
Aw, they're also trying to save someone who's fated to die.
00:46:34
Look at the connections we're making.
00:46:38
I missed that one completely.
00:46:40
No?
00:46:41
You don't think so?
00:46:41
The whole movie they're trying to save the daughter?
00:46:44
The whole Hunger Games series?
00:46:46
She's trying to save her sister and she dies anyway?
00:46:50
This movie, if you like The Hunger Games, you will love this movie.
00:46:54
Honestly, excellent.
00:46:58
Now I'll answer how fucked up it is.
00:47:01
I give it 1.5 because I had to give it something because them having to like go through the fact that their kid is dead twice is crazy.
00:47:11
That's so sad.
00:47:14
What about you?
00:47:16
Yeah.
00:47:17
the stuff with the kids and for like just like the whiplash of it all.
00:47:24
Yeah.
00:47:25
Yeah.
00:47:27
- it's a journey.
00:47:29
Seriously, God.
00:47:31
Alright, overall, what did you think of Bong Joon-ho's The Host?
00:47:35
Okay, so here's the thing.
00:47:37
I couldn't think of a single thing to like criticize in this movie.
00:47:44
The acting was incredible and like the range to be able to portray the drama side and the comedy side and the horror side is like chef's kiss.
00:47:58
On that note, like kind of the blend of all of the different genres, amazing.
00:48:03
The monster was very unique.
00:48:05
And I feel like he had like release year appropriate graphics.
00:48:10
It didn't take me out of the film too much.
00:48:12
I mean, it was a little outdated, but that's to be expected for a 20 year old movie and tentacles.
00:48:17
He did sort of have tentacles, which is amazing.
00:48:22
The like thinly veiled commentary on the incompetence and corruption of the government.
00:48:29
The satire was perfect.
00:48:31
Everything was chef's kiss.
00:48:33
Now,
00:48:34
does that mean this movie deserves a five out of five?
00:48:38
Yes, it does.
00:48:40
This is a perfect fucking film.
00:48:43
Like truly, there's nothing wrong with this movie.
00:48:47
This is a fucking perfect movie.
00:48:50
The movie gave me a whiplash, your review gave me a whiplash.
00:48:53
I was like, shit.
00:48:58
Yeah, this is a perfect movie.
00:49:01
It's a perfect film.
00:49:04
It has everything that anybody ever wants out of a movie.
00:49:08
Yeah, it's great.
00:49:08
I can't wait to watch it again, honestly.
00:49:11
And I'm gonna watch all of the movies before it and after it.
00:49:16
Of Bong Joon-ho's?
00:49:17
Yeah.
00:49:18
As you should.
00:49:20
Yep.
00:49:21
What'd you give it?
00:49:23
I gave it a 4.5.
00:49:26
I also think this is a fucking fantastic film.
00:49:29
I think it's my second favorite monster movie.
00:49:35
Kevin Bacon's Tremors.
00:49:39
I fucking love Tremors.
00:49:42
Is this movie better done than Tremors?
00:49:44
Yes, it is.
00:49:45
I can admit that.
00:49:46
But yeah, I think Bong Joon-ho is an absolute genius.
00:49:52
I have yet to not like one of his films.
00:49:54
I think he's brilliant and...
00:49:58
Yeah, everything you said, I second.
00:50:00
I think it's a fantastic film and I thoroughly enjoyed my time watching it.
00:50:04
Even in 2X speed.
00:50:06
I know, I'm still, but that like even kind of like pushed my rating up because I was realizing how mad I was that I had to watch it in 2x speed.
00:50:14
Like I was like, God, I want to be able to enjoy this, you know?
00:50:18
And the fact that I had to just do a refresher instead of fully getting into it again was very upsetting.
00:50:24
So I do plan on re-watching it.
00:50:26
Probably this weekend, but.
00:50:27
But yeah, I love this movie.
00:50:31
I'm glad you liked it.
00:50:33
I loved it.
00:50:34
Yay, she loved it.
00:50:36
Yeah.
00:50:37
The real question though is would you survive it?
00:50:42
You know, hard to say.
00:50:45
I think one thing that really bothered me, but like not till - it doesn't affect my reading at all, obviously, is that people were running with it like parallel to it.
00:51:00
Like, why not run a perpendicular?
00:51:04
I'm...
00:51:06
I would do that.
00:51:08
Run perpendicular.
00:51:10
Yeah.
00:51:12
Or better.
00:51:13
Away.
00:51:14
Correct.
00:51:15
Yeah.
00:51:17
Yeah, I'm not that smart.
00:51:18
But I am smart enough to at least run perpendicular.
00:51:21
So I think I'm surviving.
00:51:23
Okay.
00:51:24
and you're running away.
00:51:25
I am running away.
00:51:26
Yeah, I think if I'm if I'm not like the first person it grabs when it comes out of the water Which also like if I see something hanging and moving and then drop like if I see a
00:51:35
monster dropping into the water I'm not sticking around to find out if it's fucking friendly or not.
00:51:42
Bye, I'm gone.
00:51:43
So I don't think I'm one of the first people to get eaten.
00:51:45
And then when that chaos has happened, I am in my car and I am driving away.
00:51:49
I work remote.
00:51:50
Me and my laptop are getting the fuck out of there.
00:51:52
We're taking a little mini vacay until this situation is under control and then I'll come back.
00:51:57
I'm not hanging around the town when there's a fucking monster on the loose.
00:52:02
And why weren't they leaving?
00:52:04
Like, why didn't anybody do that?
00:52:06
Well, I mean, I think we're following the family, right?
00:52:09
That's like, they're trying to get their kid.
00:52:12
And I think the other people that are mainly shown sticking around are like people protesting who think that there's some conspiracy going on that like they're trying to get
00:52:19
answers.
00:52:20
So I think they're more activists that are hanging back or people who are quarantined or their family's quarantined and they're waiting for them to get released.
00:52:28
So that's my assumption is like why there's still people around.
00:52:33
I don't have family where I live, so if LA is invaded by a monster, bye.
00:52:38
I'm taking a roadie trip over to Iowa.
00:52:40
I'm chilling with my mom for a couple weeks, and you guys let me know when it's gone.
00:52:45
Yeah.
00:52:46
Also, I'm not mistaking that from a dolphin.
00:52:50
No.
00:52:50
Who thought that was a dolphin?
00:52:52
It fell from the sky!
00:52:54
Hahaha
00:52:57
I like to imagine it's like someone who heard the splash and looked over was like, is that a dolphin?
00:53:04
Well, okay, that's reasonable.
00:53:06
But if you saw it fall from the bridge into the water, you have no right thinking that's fucking dolphin.
00:53:13
No.
00:53:16
Yeah.
00:53:17
Who's to say?
00:53:18
Your mind comes up with a lot of unreasonable solutions when unreasonable things happen, so.
00:53:23
Yeah, that's true.
00:53:25
You try to make sense of nonsensical things.
00:53:28
Yeah, that's how ghosts were invented.
00:53:30
Thank you for being the one to say it.
00:53:33
You're welcome.
00:53:34
I know you'd like that.
00:53:36
I still think you have a ghost, but.
00:53:38
well, so let's take what we just said and then maybe apply it.
00:53:42
and then still be true.
00:53:44
Sure.
00:53:45
Do you want to predict the plot of next week's movie?
00:53:49
Okay, it's called Triangle.
00:53:53
It's not even our first shape movie.
00:53:55
It's...
00:53:58
It's our second shape movie.
00:54:01
Yes, our first being Cube.
00:54:04
Cube.
00:54:07
Okay.
00:54:08
Triangle is about a musician,
00:54:13
who is killed.
00:54:15
Of course.
00:54:16
And he joins a
00:54:22
second world - like it's not it's not like heaven or hell or whatever It's just like maybe like sort of like a purgatory.
00:54:27
Yes sort of, but it's like where you learn to be dead.
00:54:30
Yeah, and he gets assigned
00:54:35
his - like a buddy that teaches him how to be dead.
00:54:40
Great.
00:54:42
And they have to watch all of the terrible things that the musician did during his life.
00:54:52
They have to rewatch them and you find out, you start liking him, because he's dead and you feel sorry for him and then as the movie progresses you realize he's the bad guy.
00:55:02
Got it, okay, so he's like, he's the protagonist but a bad guy.
00:55:06
No, we don't like him.
00:55:08
Well, that would make him the antagonist.
00:55:10
No, the antagonist is just whoever is going against the protagonist.
00:55:14
The protagonist is who we follow in the story.
00:55:15
They're not necessarily a good guy.
00:55:17
Thank you.
00:55:20
The antagonists are the good guys, but you don't find that out until the movie has progressed.
00:55:25
Yeah.
00:55:26
is he getting sent down?
00:55:29
I don't know that there is a heaven or a hell.
00:55:33
Yeah, you just have to learn how to be a dead guy.
00:55:35
You know, you just have to like, and part of that is reckoning with your sins.
00:55:40
Got it, being told that you sucked.
00:55:42
But there's no punishment for it, so why does that matter?
00:55:45
Your punishment is having to rewatch you commit those sins over and over again.
00:55:49
But if you did it in the life, you're probably not that mad about it.
00:55:53
Probably like, yeah, I did it, so what?
00:55:55
There's no punishment for it.
00:55:57
Who cares?
00:55:58
I don't know.
00:55:59
You just have to find out.
00:56:01
I guess that's the discussion we have after we watch the movies.
00:56:04
Yeah.
00:56:05
And it's called Triangle.
00:56:07
Because he was a triangle musician.
00:56:09
He played the triangle.
00:56:12
I picked that up as soon as you put it down.
00:56:14
Yeah, I'm sure that at some point in this movie, the stick goes into somebody's eyeball.
00:56:21
With the triangle stick.
00:56:23
Mm-hmm.
00:56:24
What other stick would I have been talking about?
00:56:28
Okay.
00:56:29
Yeah, cause you know you.
00:56:31
Yes, yes, you hit the triangle with this triangle stick.
00:56:35
Great.
00:56:38
Not even a little bit.
00:56:41
Yeah, no.
00:56:42
Is it like supernaturally at all?
00:56:45
Hmm, I'm not gonna tell you.
00:56:49
I think this one's a go-in-blind-er.
00:56:51
I go in blind pretty much every time now.
00:56:55
Yeah, and I love that.
00:56:56
I think this one's a good one to just take it at face value, you go in with no preconceived notion about what you're gonna watch and then either love it or hate it.
00:57:06
You're alluding that I might hate it.
00:57:09
Well, I mean, I don't know, who's to say.
00:57:11
I can't predict if you're going to like it or not.
00:57:15
No, because I thought you were going to like Lake Mungo.
00:57:17
I thought you were going to like The Menu.
00:57:21
Every once in a while, you throw me a curveball and I don't know what to do with it.
00:57:25
think that I was gonna like those or did you hope that I was gonna like?
00:57:29
I watched The Menu and thought, well, there's no way someone's not gonna like this movie.
00:57:35
And then I genuinely thought you would like Lake Mungo.
00:57:39
I was like creepy, unsettling, Flanagan-esque, found footage.
00:57:44
This is right up her alley.
00:57:45
Hated it.
00:57:46
I don't know.
00:57:47
It just didn't stick with me.
00:57:49
It just...
00:57:50
It was weird.
00:57:51
all over again.
00:57:53
I actually don't mind Wall-E now that I've watched it three or four times.
00:57:55
Have you watched it since then?
00:57:57
Since I told you that you were wrong?
00:57:59
Yeah, my kid had a whole thing.
00:58:01
She watched Wall-E like four or five times over the course of the week and I had to watch it with her.
00:58:05
It was pretty good.
00:58:07
Speaking of satire.
00:58:09
Speaking of social commentary, that movie's got loads.
00:58:17
Yeah.
00:58:18
Well, cool.
00:58:19
I'm excited for you to see it.
00:58:21
And,
00:58:22
that's it.
00:58:23
Yeah.
00:58:24
Yeah.
00:58:25
See you next Tuesday.
00:58:27
Yeah, we'll see you next Tuesday to talk about Triangle.
00:58:30
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00:58:36
Sorry about this episode and then we'll do better next time.
00:58:42
We won't.
00:58:45
Yeah, thanks so much for listening and we'll see you next time.
00:58:49
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