To celebrate the release of Blumhouse’s 2024 remake of the 2022 Danish film Speak No Evil, we’re diving into the similarities and differences between the original and the remake. The original, directed by Christian Fardrup and starring Morten Burian and Sidsel Siem Koch, is a bleak story about a friendship between two families that quickly unravels. The 2024 remake by James Watkins and starring James McAvoy and Mackenzie Davis, is a more accessible but unnecessary retelling that somehow mirrors and varies WILDLY from its source material. Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!
Horror News
This week, we ranked the 10 Universal Studios Hollywood Halloween Horror Nights mazes! Check out this year’s lineup here: https://www.dailynews.com/2024/08/30/halloween-horror-nights-2024-at-universal-studios-hollywood-everything-you-need-to-know/
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In this episode, kd (incorrectly) guesses the plot of Jordan Peele’s Nope – our last Jordan Peele movie to review! Check out the trailer here and tune in next week for fun facts and ratings: https://www.dailynews.com/2024/08/30/halloween-horror-nights-2024-at-universal-studios-hollywood-everything-you-need-to-know/
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Hello!
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Happy Tuesday, welcome to Killer Cuties Podcast.
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And I'm here too.
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hahahaha
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Thought I'd get it all over with.
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Yeah, I like it.
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Really just push it out.
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Keep it rolling.
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Time is money, baby.
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Time is money.
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I have a lot to say today.
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So much to say.
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I'm so excited.
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Yeah, we're reviewing two movies.
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We are.
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And
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No news.
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Which secretly is a big relief for me.
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Yeah, we don't like, no one's forcing us to do news.
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kd, we can never do it again if you'd like.
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We can just yap for 10 minutes before we start.
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Yeah, which is what we're gonna do today.
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But we're gonna yap about something fun.
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Tell them.
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Okay.
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So this past weekend, we went to Halloween Horror Nights at Universal Studios Hollywood.
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And we went to every single haunted house, including the terror tram.
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And we're gonna rank them.
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We're gonna tell you guys which ones are the good ones, which ones weren't, you know, as good.
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And there's still time for you to go.
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Plenty.
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There you go.
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Okay.
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I'll go first, I guess.
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I have a lot to say.
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I believe it.
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I ranked them from 8 to 1.
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I didn't include the tram.
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I'll throw in the tram at the end.
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I'll throw in my ranking of the tram at the end.
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It'll be from the heart because I didn't write it.
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But from 8th to 1st with a little comment and a score out of 5.
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I did not score mine.
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Sorry.
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no, no, we didn't talk about this much.
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It's all right.
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said rank.
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And I said, yeah, let's fucking go for it.
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Yeah.
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Okay, well I'll start.
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In last place, I have Death Valley Dead Exposure.
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I didn't even remember that one.
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It was not super unique.
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No memorable scares.
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And I think, me if wrong, this was the maze with the cold room, inexplicably.
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Yes, this had a cold room even though another house was named Frozen Grounds.
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And this one is named Death Valley, which is known to be the hottest place on Earth.
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Yeah.
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was a little confusing temperature wise.
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Yeah, yeah, I gave it a 1 .5 out of 5.
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Okay.
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was terrible.
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Number seven, Monstrous 2: Latin America.
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Yeah, another one that didn't have a lot of memorable moments, which is disappointing because there's a lot of source material and like culture they could have tapped into and
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it just kind of fell flat.
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I did, however, enjoy the scents.
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They had like a cinnamony clovey room.
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It was good.
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Okay.
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Number six, Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire.
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I would say it was fun.
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It was just a fun little house, you know?
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I'm not a huge Ghostbusters fan, but the actor on stilts towards the end was so cool.
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That was so fun.
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And I would have rated this a lot higher had there been cold rooms.
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Obviously they can do it, we found out after the fact.
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Yeah, at first I was like, well, you know, it's LA, it's the summer, maybe they couldn't.
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No, they could, they chose not to.
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It was a choice.
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It's called Frozen Empire!
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I gave it a 2 out of 5.
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No, sorry.
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I gave it a 2 .5 out of 5.
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Monstrous got a 2 out of 5.
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2 .5 for Ghostbusters.
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Universal Monsters, the Van Helsing one.
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I had just watched Van Helsing.
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That was the maze where I got attached to the characters the most.
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The characters were the most compelling for me.
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And there was one scene that I was genuinely shocked by.
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Like my jaw hit the floor.
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I was like, my god.
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So it was memorable.
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Interesting.
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2 .5
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In fourth place, Insidious.
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This was the second scariest for me.
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It was also our first maze of the night.
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There's one scene where there was like a scare actor on the other side of like a fake wall kind of thing.
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That really got me.
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And there was also a vomit scene that smelled.
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My God, why would they do that?
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For immersion.
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Yeah.
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3 .5 out of 5.
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In third place, A Quiet Place.
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Yep.
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not scary at all, because I was too busy being blown away by the animatronics.
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Yeah, they looked very good.
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Getting to see the aliens from the movie live in person was fucking amazing.
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I should have prefaced that this has spoilers.
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My review has spoilers if you hadn't figured that out already.
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Sorry, about that.
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I think if they thought going into A Quiet Place maze that you wouldn't see the aliens, that's on them.
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That's not really a spoiler.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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But anyway, this may have had the best theming, the best production value by far.
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Like watching videos back, it's just really, really incredible what they were able to put together.
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I give it a four out of five.
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Okay.
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Number two, Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Which means my number one is fucking crazy, but I'll get back to that.
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Texas Chainsaw Massacre was so fun.
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It was kind of scary, but not like really.
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I was scared of the chainsaws for sure.
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That was too loud for me.
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And the hitchhiker and I kind of started dating in the middle of the maze.
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Yeah, you kind had to be there, but there was something really special about it.
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Yeah.
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him chasing you.
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I was like, wait, that's my friend.
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in my ear and was like.
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And I do love the original movie.
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We just watched that for the first time, like the day before.
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Yeah, to get ready.
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Yeah, and the game.
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And a lot of that came to life.
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So anyway, four out of five.
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Which means that number one.
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Stupid.
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Fucking crazy!
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The Weekend: Nightmare Trilogy.
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Holy shit!
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I mean, you said it best while we were there.
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A maze that's The Weekend themed has no business being as good as it was.
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It was so scary.
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It was the most scared I've ever been in my life.
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And it was also the most maze -like of the mazes.
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We call them mazes.
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They're not really mazes.
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Yeah.
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But that one you could run into a wall at some point, which one of our friends did, so...
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Yeah, and I sort of accidentally kind of pushed her into that wall because I was trying to get the fuck out of that room.
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So if it wasn't her that had run into it, it would have been me.
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But yeah, like the mirror room was fucking insane.
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The Longlegs of it all, very like on brand right now.
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People are like super hard for Longlegs.
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And the music, I fucking love The Weeknd's music.
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I gave it a 4 .5 out of 5.
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I love it.
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Yeah.
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How would you rank the terror tram since you didn't include it?
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Yeah, it's probably somewhere in the middle, like a, like a 2 .5.
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It felt a little slapped together.
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I liked that it was a lot of really good properties.
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Purge, Death Day, Megan.
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but it just, it felt slapped together.
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It's more effective when you're like going around a corner and there's Megan and then you go around another corner and there's Megan.
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But you could see like five Megans at the same time.
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You know what mean?
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Yeah.
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So it just wasn't as effective, but it was fun.
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I also don't like that they spoiled it for us.
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Like as we're on the tram they're like, yeah, we're going to drop you off.
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Yeah, I was annoyed by that too, because we had a friend who'd never been on it, so I was expecting that to be kind of that oh shit moment when you're on and all of a sudden the
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gates come up and you just have to get off.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay, your turn.
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Okay, I did one through nine, because I included the terror tram.
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At number nine, I'm sorry, I had Universal Monsters: Eternal Bloodlines, the Van Helsing thing.
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I just, I want to be clear, none of it was production value.
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Like, it's Universal.
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They have the money, they have the teams to do it.
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Everything looked great.
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That wasn't an issue for me.
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I feel like...
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the quality was there.
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It just, I feel like they were just focusing a lot on the story, which like in a scare house, I don't care about as much.
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Like, I also think it doesn't work as well when the scare actors that are in the house are the good guys, because that's who's supposed to be scaring you.
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And a lot of that was just like,
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like demon hunters that were like, careful, there's a witch over there.
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We're like, okay, cool.
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So that one just didn't, yeah, it was kind of disappointing for me.
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It wasn't really effective.
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It was just like, that looks cool, but okay, I'm ready for the next one.
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I liked that there was a story.
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I just no, that's just not what I care about at a haunted house.
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I'm sorry.
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In a movie?
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Yes.
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At a haunted house?
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Don't give a shit.
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At number eight, I had at Dead Exposure: Death Valley.
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I agree with you.
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That was low.
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It also didn't help for me - it was fine, but like, it didn't help that the people in front of us, I was like at the front of our group and then the group in front of us like
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wouldn't go.
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Like they kept stopping every time we were supposed to enter a new room.
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And so the scares were like off.
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So I wasn't getting anything.
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I was just like walking through because they were too scared to go.
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And I'm like, can I go around you?
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Or I don't know what's happening here.
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So they kind of sullied that experience for me as well.
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Yeah.
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Our rankings were like kind of off.
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At number seven, I have A Quiet Place.
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Yeah, again, I think it suffered from the same thing that Bloodlines did where it was,
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it's the family who are the scare actors and there's animatronics that are scaring you and that is never gonna be as effective, I think, for me personally.
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It looked great, but like having people be like, shh, go this way is not as scary as someone jumping out at you.
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It was fun to like do the whole game, like we all tried to be quiet while we were going through and that made it a little bit more fun, which is why it's not lower on the list,
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but yeah, all in all, looked great, not that scary.
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At number six, I have the terror tram.
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Enter the Blumhouse.
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Yeah, usually the terror tram is like one of my favorite parts.
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And this time they, they told us we were going to get dropped off, which again, for someone in our group that kind of spoiled it.
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Then B, there were a couple of traffic jams.
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We were just kind of sitting there while they played the trailer for Speak No Evil at me, which I've seen a million and half times and I didn't want to see it anymore.
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And then,
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When we got there, they started the thing before everybody was off, so we didn't even get to see the whole intro, like the entry show.
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Like, Megan has a whole speech, and then they all run at you, and by the time we got there, they were already like just there.
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Yeah, so we missed that.
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They didn't wait for everybody to get off and then do it, which I did not like at all.
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I didn't know that.
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I didn't know we missed something.
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Yeah.
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And also some of it just didn't - like they all had chainsaws, which like that doesn't fit the characters really.
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Like I don't know why the grabber from The Black Phone has a chainsaw.
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That doesn't make sense to me.
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Anyways.
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And then also I get like they have to film stuff in the backlots a lot so they were probably using those sets.
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But usually it's longer.
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Usually we get to walk through the Nope set as well or whatever is there at that time.
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Now it's the Nope set.
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And so that kind of sucked too, it it was just, was shorter, it got cut short, but it was fine.
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At number five I have Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire.
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Again, kind of surprised me, I remember like three years ago I went, probably longer than that, probably like four or five years ago I went, and we waited in line for like an hour
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and a half because we didn't have the Fast Passes and did Ghostbusters at the end of the night and it was trash, it was so bad, I was so mad that I waited that long.
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So this was much better than that experience and I'm glad.
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Again,
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person with the stilts at the end kind of upped it a little bit for me, I liked that.
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And number four, I have The Nightmares of Latin America.
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I liked it, I thought it looked cool.
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I liked seeing all the different like cultural monsters throughout it.
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I thought it was neat, that it looked really well.
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I don't know.
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At number three I have The Weeknd.
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I've said it once, said it a million times, that has no business being there and it has no business being good.
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They've gotta stop.
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Universal has access to how many fucking licenses and they just choose The Weeknd?
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Well to be fair, it seems like they do like a musical artist pretty regularly.
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My god.
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Like, no there wasn't last year, but Alice Cooper...
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When was that?
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I don't know.
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Ozzy Osbourne.
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Are you saying this has happened there?
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Well, they have to stop.
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I'm going to call someone.
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Number two, I have Insidious: The Further.
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I didn't really like Insidious, but I thought the maze was really well done.
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And it was the first one we went to, which I think always kind of, I feel like the first one's always a little bit more scary than the rest because it's your first one.
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So it's like all that giddiness kind of comes out.
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So.
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And then number one, of course, is Texas Chainsaw Massacre because I love Bubba and Bubba loves me.
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And yeah, I love that one.
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I think like,
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Set wise that one was kind of the coolest too for me because it was very Texas Chainsaw.
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It felt like you were in their house with like they had bodies hanging and stuff and I was like, I like that.
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And they had smells in that one too which was...
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but sometimes it adds to it.
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Yeah, the bones in the doorways and yeah, that one felt like being in the movie.
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It really did.
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Yeah, it was great.
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Yeah.
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Well, we weren't too far off.
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No, we had a couple that were kind of swapped, but.
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So I guess we didn't really help people at all.
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I guess you can make your own decisions.
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Yeah, well, I think we just ranked them on different things.
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I ranked them on a good blend between scariness and production value and you just said fuck production value.
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No, I just think they all have pretty good production value.
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Okay.
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Like I don't think I walked through any of the houses and was like, this looks like shit.
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See that was me for the Latin America one.
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The animatronics in that one were just not good.
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No, I liked the wolf thing.
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Maybe it was a wendigo, I liked that.
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Hahaha
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Well, there you have it.
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Go to Halloween Horror Nights.
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Yeah, let us know your rankings.
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Support all the scare actors.
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Yeah.
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Be nice to them.
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Don't be weird.
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yeah, don't be weird.
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Who would be weird to the scare actors?
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People.
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Yeah.
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Who doesn't?
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People.
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All right, well, are we ready?
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Yeah, let's do it.
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Alright, we're here to talk about Speak No Evil.
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Both versions.
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Both.
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Little summary.
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The 2022 version of Speak No Evil, directed by Christian Tafdrup, a Danish couple and their daughter become fast friends with a Dutch couple and their son while on holiday.
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As their friendship progresses, the Danish family quickly begins to realize the Dutch family is not all that they seem.
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And then horror shit happens.
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In the 2024 version, directed by James Watkins and starring Mr.
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Tumnus from The Chronicles of Narnia.
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The one and only.
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families are American and British and less horror shit happens.
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The original made just over $600 on a $3 million budget, so it didn't make back what it paid.
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It has a 6 .6 out of 10 on IMDb and an 84 % critics and 56 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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The new version, however, has made over $21 million since its release last week against a $15 million budget,
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Yeah.
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has a 7 .2 on IMDb and an 83 % critics and 85 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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Well, I know how you feel about these movies.
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Yeah, I wasn't really shy about expressing my opinions.
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But a lot of people disagree with me, so maybe you're one of them.
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I don't know.
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I - we'll have to find out in the next 40 minutes or so.
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so excited.
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Well, where should we start?
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That's a good question.
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Okay, thank you, because I don't know if I can, I can't keep my feelings inside until 40 minutes from now, so.
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Yeah, well, let me express some of your feelings for you because I think I know exactly what your problem is.
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Your problem is that you saw the original first and then saw the Mr.
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Tumnus version.
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I totally understand why that would be a problem for people.
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I, on the other hand, watched the first half.
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This is what I recommend for everyone.
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I watched the first half of the original.
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Mm -hmm.
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and then six months later watched the remake and then the same day immediately following watched the full original from the beginning.
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Okay.
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And that, I can imagine, is a much better experience than what you did.
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Yeah, I feel like watching the remake before you watch the original is gonna...
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Although, I don't know, because there's people who have watched both and still liked the remake better?
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Since you already know, I'm just gonna tell the people.
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I think the remake's shit.
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I like the original.
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I'm one of those people.
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And they changed the entire ending, and that's why I didn't like it.
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Yeah.
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I think that if you watch the remake first, and it's just a movie that you're seeing, sure, fine.
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It's another Blumhouse film.
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But like, if you watch the original and you're like, American adaptation starring Mr.
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Tumnus.
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Even he can't save it.
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For me.
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yeah, you have to see the second one first.
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You, well, if you're gonna watch both of them, you have to see the second one first, and then you have to judge them independently of each other.
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I think you do.
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No, you can judge them as exactly what they are, which is...
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A film and a butchering of a film.
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Well, you're using, you're comparing the second one to the first one.
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Yeah, but you can't not do that when it's a remake.
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I think you should though.
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You didn't feel that way when we did the remake of Jacob's Ladder.
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That was even...
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So...
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Yes, but if you - if we do the same thing I'm saying right now where you're judging them independently, the new version of Jacob's Ladder is still the shittiest movie we've ever
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watched.
00:20:57
It's not very good, but...
00:21:00
But I do think we've felt worse about it because it's a remake.
00:21:04
Because we liked the original.
00:21:06
Yeah, I guess.
00:21:08
I just think like don't make a remake if you don't want it compared it to the original.
00:21:12
Yeah.
00:21:14
I think the 20 % of people who didn't like the remake are the people like you that watched the original first and then were disappointed by the remake.
00:21:24
100%.
00:21:26
I just, I wanted so badly...
00:21:29
I wanted so bad, when I heard that there was gonna be a remake, I knew, I knew in my heart what they were gonna do to it.
00:21:35
Because that's what they always do to American remakes.
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They water it down, they do the same old predictable shit, they have to have a hero at the end, they have to have someone winning, they can't do the bleak ending, and that's the
00:21:47
Americanized version because they think that Americans can't handle it.
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And so, I wanted so badly to be proven wrong.
00:21:54
I was like, no.
00:21:55
We're gonna prove them wrong.
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We're gonna say that we don't like this shit, but no, everybody liked it.
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And so they were proven right.
00:22:00
And that's what we're gonna get for the rest of forever because people like watered down fucking versions of good ass movies.
00:22:07
And then we're stuck with this shit.
00:22:09
How many times have we said, though, like, we've looked up fun facts for a gazilliondy movies and have said, the original script had a much bleaker ending, but test audiences
00:22:17
hated it, so they redid it.
00:22:20
That's what happened here.
00:22:22
Yeah, I...
00:22:24
I mean, for that reason alone, I...
00:22:26
When I went into this, I was like, why could...
00:22:28
How could they possibly need a remake of this movie two years later?
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It's in English.
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It's not like they translated it.
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almost entirely in English.
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There's no reason.
00:22:39
Yeah.
00:22:40
But after having watched them both and knowing what we know about test audiences that they just don't like a bleak ending, I see why they remade it.
00:22:50
Yeah, because they knew that it was a money grab.
00:22:52
It's a money grab.
00:22:53
Yep.
00:22:55
But I mean, in their defense, it's not just people going to see it and them making money off of it.
00:23:02
It's people going to see it and they like it.
00:23:05
I know that's why I'm angry about it.
00:23:07
Hahaha
00:23:12
I'd be so much happier if everybody hated it and it still made money.
00:23:15
That's fine.
00:23:16
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:19
What's even crazier too is that I won't say which one because we will watch it eventually, but the director James Watkins who did the remake, he wrote and directed a horror movie
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that has one of the bleakest endings I've ever seen.
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Like probably top five in my list of movies that like you end it and you're like, fuck.
00:23:42
So.
00:23:42
The Mist?
00:23:43
Not The Mist.
00:23:45
The Fog.
00:23:46
The Mist.
00:23:47
Okay.
00:23:48
Okay.
00:23:49
But like, probably top five, somewhere in there.
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And he still did this.
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And you know what?
00:23:59
You already know who I'm gonna blame.
00:24:01
Mr.
00:24:01
Blum.
00:24:03
I'm blaming Blumhouse because I can.
00:24:05
Because this feels like a Blumhouse movie.
00:24:07
Shit.
00:24:10
See, you know, I'm gonna spoil the ending here a little bit too.
00:24:14
I did not hate it as much as you did.
00:24:16
Yeah, I know.
00:24:17
I could feel it in my heart.
00:24:20
Yeah, I think you'll be surprised by my ratings, but I did not hate it as much as you.
00:24:26
This is gonna make me not like you, huh?
00:24:29
Yeah.
00:24:31
I'm just your average American consumer.
00:24:40
I mean we should talk, we should talk about like - the first two acts of this are almost a shot for shot remake.
00:24:48
There's not a lot different.
00:24:50
Like word for word.
00:24:52
Yeah.
00:24:53
Same exact dialogue.
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For a lot of the scenes.
00:24:58
Yeah, and for whatever reason, they un -Americanized the names from Patrick to Patty and from Ben to Bjorn.
00:25:06
Like, they Americanized everything else.
00:25:11
What?
00:25:11
the guy's name in the original.
00:25:13
Ben is the guy's name in the remake.
00:25:15
Yeah.
00:25:16
Yeah.
00:25:17
Well, Ciara spelled the Irish way, C -I -A -R -A.
00:25:23
And what was her name in the?
00:25:26
Karin.
00:25:28
Yeah.
00:25:29
but we should talk about what was different.
00:25:31
There were a lot of things that were different all in the last 15 minutes of the movie.
00:25:38
There was more that was different earlier too.
00:25:40
I wrote it all down.
00:25:43
I did too.
00:25:45
Alright, how should we do this?
00:25:48
I'll go first.
00:25:48
Okay.
00:25:50
The lying about being in the doctor scene.
00:25:53
Yes.
00:25:54
I don't know if it was more effective that he actually lied or if it was more effective that it was a joke.
00:26:00
And I also don't know what I'm basing the effectiveness of.
00:26:03
Yeah, that change probably bothered me one of the least.
00:26:09
But I think the reason they did it was because the remake was much more focused on being funny.
00:26:17
Like there were way more jokes in the remake.
00:26:19
The original is just bleak through and through.
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So I think that was just another way of them trying to make it hee hee ha ha.
00:26:30
All laughs.
00:26:31
Yeah.
00:26:35
Okay, one I wrote down, each family has their own language in the original.
00:26:41
In the remake, they just all speak English the entire time, but in the original, because they both speak different languages, there's moments where the family that is visiting,
00:26:51
like, feels uncomfortable and they'll speak to each other in Danish because the other family can't understand them.
00:26:56
And I thought that that was, I liked that a lot in the original, that it kind of was them communicating their discomfort, but
00:27:03
without them being able to understand it.
00:27:05
So it didn't need lengthy explanations after the fact of how they don't like it.
00:27:09
It just happened in the moment.
00:27:11
Mm
00:27:12
The, like, cheating and no job tension between the mom and dad in the remake was...
00:27:22
Again, I don't know what I mean by saying effective.
00:27:26
I don't know that that brought anything to the table by making them an unharmonious couple, unlike the original where they're just very much husband and wife.
00:27:38
Yeah, it seemed like an unnecessary change to me.
00:27:42
Yeah, it almost makes it seem like less compelling for them to get out together.
00:27:51
Like, so what?
00:27:52
They're just going to get out and they're going to be divorced.
00:27:54
Well, I don't know if they actually are gonna divorce.
00:27:57
I feel like that was just like something she said to him to like be honest that they could get away, but like they weren't gonna get away anyway, so.
00:28:04
Yeah, but they did.
00:28:06
They did get away.
00:28:08
I know.
00:28:11
The tongue thing.
00:28:13
Like first five minutes of the remake, tell you that he has a condition, so that whole shock value is gone.
00:28:17
In the original, it's just when Bjorn's taking out the trash, Abel shows him his tongue.
00:28:27
And there's no indication whatsoever that that is a thing until that moment.
00:28:31
So that kind of ruined the surprise for me personally.
00:28:36
Yeah.
00:28:37
And also the son, Abel slash Ant being the one to kind of reveal the big twist.
00:28:49
I see, I liked that better.
00:28:51
I did not.
00:28:53
No?
00:28:54
I felt like it was almost like too explaining everything.
00:28:58
Like he's like pointing out the pages and then she's like, that's not your parents.
00:29:02
And it's like, I don't know.
00:29:03
I liked it much better when he just found everything.
00:29:06
And I felt like, I mean, obviously it doesn't matter in the remake because they don't do the ending, but it made more sense in the ending that like the wife and the kid let them
00:29:15
in the car because they don't know what happened.
00:29:17
Like he's just panicked.
00:29:18
Like we got to get out of here.
00:29:19
Cause he just saw all of this shit.
00:29:21
And then, yeah, I don't know.
00:29:24
Also, why wouldn't you tell them?
00:29:25
That's the first thing out of my mouth.
00:29:27
And also I feel like he probably didn't want to like upset his child.
00:29:31
Cause again, in the original, she has no, the kid has no indication that anything's wrong at all.
00:29:37
And they also aged the kids up in the remake, which I thought was weird.
00:29:42
I mean, I guess, no, just a couple of years, but it's still kind of, I don't know.
00:29:47
Didn't feel necessary, but I guess since they're the ones figuring out the whole mystery.
00:29:52
The remake kind of established that the son can't, prior to the son not drowning.
00:30:05
Yeah, so I guess what was the point of establishing that he couldn't swim?
00:30:09
To get them back.
00:30:11
Yeah.
00:30:12
Yeah.
00:30:15
I almost wish that that scene had been included in the original.
00:30:21
To kind of establish the like whole drowning thing.
00:30:25
I don't think that he was drow- he was killed.
00:30:30
But like, it doesn't matter if he can swim or not.
00:30:33
He was murdered.
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could have just showed.
00:30:35
I kind of wanted to see him die.
00:30:41
Okay!
00:30:41
That feels like a personal thing you should talk about in therapy.
00:30:47
Like it would have been, it would have upped the scare factor quite a bit had the dad like pushed her.
00:30:54
in and seeing the kid dead and being like, shit, like it's happening.
00:31:01
Maybe.
00:31:02
But yeah, I don't feel like in the original it was necessary to show that he couldn't swim because it didn't matter if he could swim or not.
00:31:06
He was killed.
00:31:08
Yeah, I guess.
00:31:09
He didn't drown by accident.
00:31:11
And then I feel like in the original, if they had done that, it would have put doubt as to whether or not he killed him or not.
00:31:15
Like, did he just drown or did he, you know?
00:31:19
Okay.
00:31:20
I guess I just yearn for an explanation.
00:31:23
A concrete explanation, not an inference.
00:31:26
It's weird, because usually we're switched on that.
00:31:29
You love an inference most times.
00:31:31
Yeah.
00:31:34
Whatever.
00:31:38
Other things that were different.
00:31:41
In the remake, it's implied that Ciara was his first victim.
00:31:46
And she was groomed to be...
00:31:49
She says it.
00:31:50
What do you mean?
00:31:53
Yeah, she tells the mom that.
00:31:57
She's like, I was his first.
00:31:58
Please help me.
00:31:59
Don't leave me in here with him.
00:32:01
Yeah.
00:32:04
In the remake, yeah.
00:32:05
In the original, they're just both,
00:32:08
stone cold murderers.
00:32:14
She could have been, but I feel like her dynamic with him from that moment on kind of played into that.
00:32:20
Like him hitting her and being like, this is your fuck up, you have to fix it.
00:32:23
Like very like language that you'll hear in an abusive relationship of like, it's all your fault, you need to fix this, you have to make it better, it's on you.
00:32:31
Like that kind of added to it.
00:32:33
And also her age, like she was aged down in the movie, like they were not the same age at all.
00:32:38
And I don't know.
00:32:39
I mean, you're going to hear a lot of this like, I didn't like it.
00:32:42
I liked the original better.
00:32:43
But I feel like that just created unnecessary sympathy for her when there doesn't need to be any.
00:32:48
She can just be an evil person.
00:32:50
Yeah.
00:32:52
Restaurant man was an accomplice.
00:32:55
Instead of the babysitter.
00:32:56
Instead of the babysitter.
00:32:59
Which yeah, that didn't make sense to me at all.
00:33:02
babysitter being a part of it made perfect sense.
00:33:05
Yes.
00:33:06
Mike from the restaurant didn't make much sense at all.
00:33:09
Yeah, like where did he even fucking come from?
00:33:10
Why did he show up on the - like why did he come there?
00:33:14
Yeah, that was weird.
00:33:17
I have this kind of all lumped together, but they like cut a lot of parts.
00:33:23
So, there's a scene in the original where Louise's in the shower and Patrick just comes into the bathroom and starts brushing his teeth while she's in there and that's really
00:33:32
uncomfortable.
00:33:33
And then Bjorn and Louise are having sex and Patrick's just watching them do the thing.
00:33:40
And then Patrick is naked in bed when Agnes is in bed with them and that like adds to it.
00:33:45
And I feel like all of those things just added to like...
00:33:47
the unnerving creepy factor of like, run.
00:33:53
So I feel like they kind of, was the, why?
00:33:56
Was the remake PG -13?
00:33:59
Like why?
00:33:59
No, it was rated R.
00:34:02
They could have had nudity.
00:34:03
They just chose not to.
00:34:05
Interesting.
00:34:07
Yeah, there was no nudity at all.
00:34:08
Mm -mm.
00:34:10
The only other thing I have is the end.
00:34:15
Yeah.
00:34:17
Yeah.
00:34:18
The original was just bleak.
00:34:22
I don't remember a more bleak ending other than The Mist.
00:34:26
Correct me if I'm wrong.
00:34:29
The killer 100 % wins.
00:34:31
And in the remake, there's almost two like...
00:34:40
Like what, that's it?
00:34:41
Like it's over?
00:34:43
Yeah, they just kill all the bad guys and win.
00:34:46
And they, yeah, yeah.
00:34:48
I mean, I will say I did like the like,
00:34:51
redemption arc of the little boy.
00:34:53
Not the redemption arc, the like, what's the word I'm for?
00:34:57
Revenge.
00:34:59
Revenge.
00:35:01
Yeah.
00:35:04
I had one other change, which was that Ninus, the stuffed bunny, when they leave the first time, and she's like, it's not in the car, we have to come back.
00:35:14
Like, they go all the way back to the house, and in the remake, they have - Agnes goes in and Ant had found it.
00:35:23
So it was back at the house.
00:35:24
In the original, it's in the car,
00:35:27
and they find it when they get back to the house.
00:35:30
So again, I like that better because it's even more of a like, my God, you didn't even have to come back moment where like it just builds on that frustration that you're
00:35:38
supposed to feel when watching it of like, don't go back for it.
00:35:41
And then they go back and they didn't even have to.
00:35:43
It's like, fuck.
00:35:45
Yep.
00:35:46
And then one thing they kept the same was the line, "because you let us", which had zero impact in the second one because they didn't let them.
00:35:54
So that was meaningless.
00:35:56
So no need to keep that in.
00:35:58
Because it doesn't fucking matter in the remake.
00:36:03
I will say the original does do a better job making you kind of like like the bad guy first.
00:36:10
Yeah, it's not like, I feel like James McAvoy was always evil.
00:36:14
You could tell from the first moment.
00:36:16
It was all very like, hint, hint, nod, nod.
00:36:20
The first one was much more subtle.
00:36:23
Yeah, yeah, the yeah, James McAvoy.
00:36:27
That guy fucking sucked from frame one of the fucking movie.
00:36:32
And I think like the worst part of it is that like everybody knows someone like that.
00:36:37
In the first half, yeah.
00:36:39
Yeah, I don't know someone like this in the second half.
00:36:42
I don't think anybody knows anybody that's a murderer.
00:36:45
Yeah.
00:36:46
are people who know people who are murderers, hopefully the large majority does not.
00:36:52
But that made more sense to me too that they would be like so drawn in by them.
00:36:56
That like it started with green flags and then beige flags and then yellow flags and then orange flags and then red flags.
00:37:06
Whereas in the original, yeah, that made a lot more sense to me that like, yeah, we're gonna go visit them.
00:37:13
But in the remake, it's just like red flag after red flag.
00:37:15
Like what the fuck are you thinking?
00:37:16
Why would you go see these people?
00:37:17
They're fucking obnoxious.
00:37:19
Yeah, I didn't, I felt the same way.
00:37:22
It was very much, the original builds, right?
00:37:26
Exactly how they like test the people that they bring back.
00:37:30
If - they're intentionally pushing them and testing them to see how far they can get away with, right?
00:37:37
Like that's the whole point is they pick these people because they've tested them and they know that they can push them to that point.
00:37:44
I guess that doesn't matter in the remake because they don't have to push it.
00:37:48
They don't get to that point so it doesn't matter.
00:37:51
Yeah, I guess they used the like, cheating slash no job thing to kind of like, push them into going and visiting these people because like, it's a change of scenery, it'll be good
00:38:04
for us, we'll have fun.
00:38:06
But I did that just was nowhere near as effective as like actually liking these people.
00:38:11
And then it's kind of slowly devolving over the course of the movie.
00:38:14
And I say that as it being more effective, but that's also the thing that turned me off of the original at first.
00:38:20
Mm.
00:38:21
When I first watched the original, I couldn't get through it because it was like, my God.
00:38:26
Yay, they're friends.
00:38:27
Yay, they're going to visit.
00:38:29
Nothing was happening.
00:38:32
So yes.
00:38:35
Yeah.
00:38:35
So it was very hard.
00:38:36
I think I looked at the time and it was like 35 minutes that I had watched before I just turned it off.
00:38:41
I was like, my God, I can't finish this.
00:38:46
Anyway.
00:38:47
Yeah.
00:38:49
I was really excited for the dad in the remake.
00:38:53
No.
00:38:55
James McAvoy?
00:38:57
No, no, He's not the dad.
00:38:59
He's the bad guy.
00:39:02
That's true, I guess he's not a dad.
00:39:03
No.
00:39:05
I was really excited for...
00:39:06
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the James McAvoy version, in the new version, I was really excited for the dad to have like grown a pair by the end of the movie and be
00:39:13
the one to kill Mr.
00:39:13
Tumnus.
00:39:15
But the kid being the one to do it was so much better.
00:39:21
That was chef's kiss.
00:39:22
I loved that the kid got to kill him.
00:39:24
Yeah, that was good.
00:39:26
But I'm gonna say it.
00:39:28
The dad in the remake, Scoot McNairy, I think is his name.
00:39:32
Not a good actor.
00:39:36
He has nothing to do with that.
00:39:38
He didn't choose that name.
00:39:39
I don't think.
00:39:40
It could be a stage name that he chose.
00:39:41
That'd be wild.
00:39:44
Yeah, the scene where they're like back in the house and he breaks down.
00:39:47
He's like, I don't know what to do.
00:39:49
I'm sorry.
00:39:51
I was like, this is the worst acting I've ever seen.
00:39:53
I was in theater with like three other people and they were all laughing.
00:39:56
I was like, yeah, this is not good.
00:39:59
I mean, it was supposed to be funnier than the other one, than the original.
00:40:03
Maybe he was acting really well.
00:40:06
Maybe that was the point.
00:40:07
He was trying to make you laugh.
00:40:08
If it was a comedy, then he nailed it, yeah.
00:40:10
Yeah.
00:40:12
Which, step back, speaking of the head bashing scene, I love how the mom just let the daughter watch that happen.
00:40:21
Mm, yeah.
00:40:24
Fuck.
00:40:25
Yeah, yeah.
00:40:28
I like the, did they forget special effects?
00:40:30
Cause she sprays James McAvoy with like flesh eating chemicals and then it cuts to him washing himself and his face is fine.
00:40:40
Like nothing, it didn't impact him at all.
00:40:42
Just like stung, I guess.
00:40:44
They didn't even add some redness.
00:40:46
It's just.
00:40:49
Yeah, at the very least they could have added some...
00:40:51
red makeup.
00:40:54
Yeah.
00:40:55
something's happening?
00:40:57
Well, I mean, to be fair, his face was absolutely fucking demolished two minutes later.
00:41:02
That's true.
00:41:04
Which tells me they had the special effects to do it.
00:41:08
They chose not to.
00:41:11
They did.
00:41:12
They had a pretty big budget.
00:41:14
Which is fucking crazy.
00:41:15
How do you convince, how do you convince a huge ass company like Blumhouse, I'm gonna make this movie that was already made two years ago, and it's gonna be the exact same until the
00:41:27
last act, and the last act is gonna be worse.
00:41:29
Give me $15 million, which is five times as much as the original took to make.
00:41:34
Because it's Blumhouse and they love doing that shit.
00:41:38
They're like, a movie with a bad ending?
00:41:40
Sign me up, are you joking?
00:41:47
You know what makes me the most mad about it?
00:41:52
Is that in the original, they had an alternative ending.
00:41:57
Why didn't they just use that?
00:42:00
The original was supposed to end with
00:42:03
basically like showing a bunch of people getting executed in different ways.
00:42:07
So basically like this entire town is in on it and they're all just like killing the people that they brought, right?
00:42:15
In different ways.
00:42:17
That would have made so much more sense, right?
00:42:19
Because they even imply that a little bit with the babysitter.
00:42:21
They're like, yeah, the whole town loves him, not just because he's cheap.
00:42:24
So if he's the one working for them, it makes sense that there's other people who are doing this as well, and they're all just kind of in on it.
00:42:31
And that's why they had the whole restaurant to themselves and like everybody's just in on it, right?
00:42:37
If they would have done that, I would have been fine.
00:42:42
That would have been a fine change to the ending.
00:42:45
Not just a shot for shot remake, you wanna do something different, do that.
00:42:49
That would have been fun.
00:42:52
Yeah, for context, the only reason they didn't film that was because he would have had to work with so many extras.
00:42:59
And there would have had to have been a lot more sets and...
00:43:01
Yeah, well, and also like the original had to stop filming multiple times due to COVID.
00:43:07
So I'm sure adding more people just adds to that and the risks that just weren't,
00:43:12
weren't necessary to take.
00:43:15
The remake also had to stop production because of the strikes.
00:43:21
Like, just take the fucking hint that this movie was not supposed to have been made.
00:43:25
was like, maybe let's stop.
00:43:26
Let's take a moment.
00:43:27
think about this again.
00:43:31
Yeah.
00:43:34
Yeah, like James McAvoy said that he purposely didn't watch the original because he didn't want to be influenced by it.
00:43:41
Which I feel like you could tell.
00:43:43
He seemed like he hadn't watched it.
00:43:46
The girl, what's her name?
00:43:49
Aisling Francois, Franciosi?
00:43:53
I don't know how to say her last name, I'm so sorry.
00:43:55
But the girl who played Ciara, it felt like she had watched it.
00:44:00
Because she did a lot of the same mannerisms as the girl in the original.
00:44:07
But yeah, he said he watched it in like the first 24 hours after filming stopped, and he was very impressed.
00:44:13
He liked it.
00:44:13
I wonder if he felt like, what did we do?
00:44:22
I don't know how you wouldn't.
00:44:23
Hahahaha
00:44:27
I would have been so sad.
00:44:29
Yeah.
00:44:31
The other thing that James McAvoy said was that he modeled the toxic masculinity of the character after Andrew Tate.
00:44:41
Which is why we hated him from the start.
00:44:43
Yep.
00:44:45
That guy's the fucking worst.
00:44:49
That alone, just that both of those, like that Andrew Tate and Mr.
00:44:55
Tumnus in this movie can both instill the same like anger.
00:44:59
He deserves an award.
00:45:03
James McAvoy.
00:45:05
Sure as fuck not Andrew Tate.
00:45:07
Just wanted to be clear, Andrew Tate deserves prison and James McAvoy deserves an award.
00:45:14
I'll be honest, like James McAvoy is not my issue with this movie.
00:45:17
He popped his pussy.
00:45:18
If you want to watch James McAvoy pop his pussy, go for it.
00:45:20
But my thing is that James McAvoy pops his pussy in every movie that he's in.
00:45:24
So I don't need this.
00:45:26
This gave me nothing.
00:45:27
Nothing new.
00:45:29
This added nothing to my life.
00:45:32
Except for anger and frustration.
00:45:34
Maybe it was kind of like the original.
00:45:37
Hahaha!
00:45:40
Wait, we're onto something here.
00:45:43
it.
00:45:46
The first one, you're so angry and frustrated that these people didn't do anything.
00:45:50
And then the remake, you're so angry and frustrated that Blumhouse did that!
00:45:54
Yeah.
00:45:57
I mean, I can't say that I feel the same way, but...
00:45:59
Because like I said, I watched...
00:46:03
two stars remake five out of five.
00:46:05
I'm just joking.
00:46:12
the remake was fine as a standalone film.
00:46:15
It was fine.
00:46:17
I still feel like even if I try to separate it, which it is very hard for me to do, but if I try to separate it, I'm still like, yeah, it's fine.
00:46:26
But like, it was predictable.
00:46:30
It wasn't like - it didn't give me anything that I haven't seen before.
00:46:33
Like it was just like.
00:46:35
It's fine.
00:46:37
It was still fun to watch.
00:46:40
It was fine.
00:46:43
I really, I so wish you had watched it in the same order as I had, which again, to remind everybody, is the first half of the first movie, then the second movie, and then
00:46:51
immediately after that, the first movie.
00:46:53
The whole thing.
00:46:55
I think you could have just watched the remake and then the original.
00:46:57
I don't think you need to watch the first part of the first movie and then watch the...
00:47:03
That feels redundant.
00:47:05
I think it made a difference though, because I was expecting this like, my God, I have to like get to know these characters again.
00:47:11
And I had to figure out like why the who - like what's going to happen.
00:47:15
feel that watching the original though.
00:47:18
Like the first time I watched it, I was pretty enthralled the whole way through.
00:47:21
I like a slow burn.
00:47:26
And I liked the fact that it was just like increasing tension, just like building and building and building.
00:47:33
Well yeah, but that's not until the last third of the movie.
00:47:37
I liked that.
00:47:39
I feel like even at the start, once they are going to the house, it's very much like they immediately offer her meat and you're like, okay.
00:47:47
And then they have these bad conditions of living and all this stuff that it's like, I still feel like it was building just slowly and then more so.
00:47:58
Yeah, maybe I'm just the person that would like fall for all this because it didn't start bothering me until kind of later on.
00:48:09
Speaking of the writer and director of the original Christian Tafdrup, he said that he got the idea based on his own experience.
00:48:18
Calm down.
00:48:18
Not like that.
00:48:19
But when he was on holiday in Tuscany, his family met another couple from the Netherlands who were like kind of socially awkward and like, you know, a little off and they got on
00:48:32
really well.
00:48:32
They spent the vacation together and then the couple invited them to their home afterwards.
00:48:38
And he was like, nah, no, I'm not gonna go.
00:48:41
He considered it and then he was like, I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna go.
00:48:44
He never met them again.
00:48:45
But he just couldn't stop thinking about, man, what's the worst case scenario if I had gone?
00:48:51
And that's kind of how the idea happened.
00:48:53
But he did clarify, he's like, I'm sure that they were very nice people, this is completely fiction, but.
00:48:56
Yeah.
00:49:01
Cute.
00:49:02
I think weirdly, when I was reading reviews and stuff for mainly the original, but I guess also people comparing the original to the remake.
00:49:14
And a lot of people who liked the remake better talking about why they didn't like the original was because like, it's so frustrating.
00:49:20
Like, why don't they fight back?
00:49:22
Why like no parents gonna act like that and all of this.
00:49:24
And it kind of reminded me weirdly of Barbarian.
00:49:30
Because they were both kind of satires, extreme exaggerations of what happens when you don't listen to your gut instinct, right?
00:49:37
Like, Barbarian is when women ignore their gut instincts, their red flags when they are talking to men, like specifically, like that's where that idea came from.
00:49:45
It's just an exaggeration of that, like a complete satire of what if it went as far as it could go?
00:49:51
And that was the point.
00:49:52
So like when people were getting frustrated at Barbarian, I was like, no, this is the point.
00:49:56
We're supposed to be frustrated because it's supposed to be like,
00:49:59
the extreme of that.
00:50:01
And the same with the original is like, yeah, you're frustrated because you think like no one's going to act like that, but this is the exaggeration of politeness to a fault of
00:50:10
being so accommodating, which Tafdrup said it's kind of about Danish culture.
00:50:18
And that's a thing there where like a lot of the times people are just overly accommodating and overly polite to the point where they're uncomfortable.
00:50:25
But I think even
00:50:27
like, as a woman, I feel like that's kind of relatable.
00:50:30
I feel like we're told a lot that we need to make ourselves smaller and we need to be accommodating.
00:50:34
We don't make a scene because, you know, that's not allowed.
00:50:37
And so I feel like that was kind of not fun to watch because that movie's not fun to watch, but an interesting portrayal of that satire, I guess.
00:50:49
Yeah, interesting.
00:50:50
I didn't think about that.
00:50:52
Yeah, tone wise, very different films, but both taking kind of the gut instincts and ignoring it to the extreme.
00:51:02
Mm -hmm.
00:51:03
Yeah.
00:51:05
Yeah.
00:51:06
We didn't mention that the Dutch couple from the original are married in real life.
00:51:10
They are.
00:51:10
Yeah.
00:51:12
Apparently it was really hard to find the Dutch couple too.
00:51:15
It was really challenging to find actors who were okay with the source material.
00:51:21
A lot of people were like, can you change the ending?
00:51:24
I don't want to take it.
00:51:25
I'm not comfortable with the idea of child abuse, all of this stuff.
00:51:29
And even the couple that ended up getting the role, at first they were kind of hesitant.
00:51:33
And then they had a meeting with Tafdrup and kind of eased a little bit into the idea of it.
00:51:40
Heesh.
00:51:41
Hahaha
00:51:43
They did a good job.
00:51:46
All things considered.
00:51:47
Yeah.
00:51:49
Well, any other fun facts?
00:51:52
No.
00:51:54
Yes.
00:51:55
IMDb, one of the fun facts for the 2024, like under trivia or whatever, the ending is different from the original film.
00:52:05
That was really fucking funny.
00:52:07
Like, wow, you are so right.
00:52:10
That is the truest fun fact I've ever read.
00:52:12
is not even a fun fact for me.
00:52:19
It's a fact.
00:52:21
They did do that, yeah.
00:52:24
Well, let's rate it, yeah?
00:52:26
Rate them.
00:52:27
I, I, this time, did them separately.
00:52:32
Do we not always?
00:52:33
Well, Jacob's Ladder I didn't bother.
00:52:34
I just gave the new one ones across the board.
00:52:37
Yeah, that's true.
00:52:39
What should we start with?
00:52:43
Why switch up now?
00:52:45
I thought you meant like a scary sexy part.
00:52:47
I was like, obviously we're starting the scary.
00:52:50
movie should we start with?
00:52:53
Okay.
00:52:54
start with the remake.
00:52:57
I feel like, yeah, in the past we have.
00:53:00
That's true.
00:53:01
Okay.
00:53:03
How scary did you think it was?
00:53:06
One.
00:53:07
Okay.
00:53:08
I was not scared at all.
00:53:11
It's every horror trope I've seen in every other horror movie.
00:53:15
Yep.
00:53:16
How about you?
00:53:19
Great, what scared you?
00:53:21
Nothing.
00:53:21
I don't...
00:53:26
Let me explain.
00:53:27
I don't think scary is the right word, but I had to give it a point somewhere for that like terrible burning sensation that you get in the pit of your stomach while you're
00:53:40
watching this movie.
00:53:41
That like, just like, of Mr.
00:53:46
Tumnus's character.
00:53:47
Like just...
00:53:50
I didn't feel that in the remake.
00:53:53
I had a terrible feeling in the pit of my stomach, but it's because I knew.
00:53:56
I knew what they were gonna do.
00:54:00
And therefore, it made me not scared of him because I knew what was gonna happen.
00:54:03
I knew that they were gonna kill him in the end.
00:54:05
Yeah, no, I don't know.
00:54:07
It just, it reminded me of everything and everyone I've ever hated and just like that same feeling.
00:54:13
You know how in therapy when they're like, what physical feeling do you feel when you're upset or when you're angry or whatever?
00:54:20
Yeah, that feeling.
00:54:22
So yeah, it wasn't really scary, but it
00:54:25
I don't know.
00:54:25
I just had to give two points for something.
00:54:28
Yeah, I felt something.
00:54:31
So I gave it a two.
00:54:32
Cool.
00:54:34
How sexy did you think it was?
00:54:37
I gave it a 1 .5.
00:54:39
Okay.
00:54:40
Mr.
00:54:40
Tumnus.
00:54:44
My sexual fantasy awakening.
00:54:47
My fantasy, fan -tasy sexual awakening.
00:54:52
It was Mr.
00:54:53
Tumnus?
00:54:54
Yeah.
00:54:55
As far as like fantasy characters go, absolutely it was Mr.
00:54:59
Tumnus.
00:55:01
Very formative.
00:55:03
great!
00:55:05
How about you?
00:55:06
I'm happy for you.
00:55:09
I give it a 1 .5.
00:55:12
Also for James McAvoy.
00:55:16
Not because I was picturing Mr.
00:55:18
Tumnus, but just, you know, who doesn't love James McAvoy?
00:55:22
Yeah, I was imagining a fawn wearing human legs.
00:55:25
The whole time.
00:55:27
Yikes.
00:55:28
Yeah, anyway, how fucked up did you think it was?
00:55:31
A one out of five.
00:55:32
Okay?
00:55:34
Again, it wasn't anything I haven't seen before.
00:55:38
Not even for like the head smashing scene.
00:55:42
Hmm.
00:55:43
I guess that didn't like bother me, I was just kind of rooting for the kid.
00:55:47
Yeah.
00:55:48
What about you?
00:55:50
I also gave it a one out of five, but unfairly it's because I'm comparing it to the original.
00:56:00
Because this one really just kind of...
00:56:06
I know, but it really, just took all the fucked up shit from the original and it was like, nope, I'm not doing that.
00:56:12
water on it.
00:56:13
Said, nope, we're good.
00:56:16
Yeah.
00:56:17
Overall.
00:56:18
What did you think of the remake?
00:56:21
Okay, this is a really accessible horror movie.
00:56:25
And as I said, if you rate these independently of each other...
00:56:30
Mm -hmm.
00:56:32
which I understand is hard to do given they're identical for 140 out of 145 minutes.
00:56:38
This is not a bad movie.
00:56:42
The acting is there for the most part.
00:56:43
The story is interesting.
00:56:46
It kind of keeps you guessing without there being like a slog like the original had.
00:56:52
Not to say that that's bad, but again, I explained myself already that the other one was too slow of a burn.
00:56:59
I don't know.
00:57:00
That said, it was not, in the end, like literally during the end, as fun as the first one.
00:57:05
So I gave it a three out of five.
00:57:08
You thought the first one was fun?
00:57:10
I thought the first one was a blast.
00:57:11
I thought you couldn't even get through it.
00:57:13
I couldn't.
00:57:15
I could not.
00:57:16
See, so here's the thing is I wrote my ratings, assuming that we would be talking about the original first, so I can see why you're confused.
00:57:27
But that's just not the way we did it.
00:57:28
So you're just gonna have to wonder until we get there what I have to say about the original.
00:57:33
I did think it was fun.
00:57:34
It was a blasty blast.
00:57:37
Yeah.
00:57:39
What did you give overall the 2024 version?
00:57:42
Of Speak No Evil.
00:57:43
I gave it
00:57:45
a two out of five.
00:57:47
Okay.
00:57:49
Which I think is generous for how much I've been shitting on it this whole time.
00:57:54
Okay, I think it's about in line.
00:57:58
I just think, why?
00:58:00
There's no point for this movie to exist.
00:58:04
And James McAvoy isn't enough to save it for me, I'm sorry.
00:58:09
You have to give me something.
00:58:10
This movie gave me nothing that I haven't seen before.
00:58:13
And you know what?
00:58:14
I think Christian Tafdrup said it best when he ripped this movie apart in an article that we'll link in the description.
00:58:20
But he said, let me find it.
00:58:24
He said, "I saw the film yesterday, I could see why they could never succeed with a film where characters are stoned to death, as they do in our film.
00:58:29
These people must fight for their lives to defeat the bad guys.
00:58:32
It's a kind of happy ending.
00:58:33
It's so deep in their culture that America must be able to handle it all." Shitting on America as people, we have to do better.
00:58:40
Make America like traumatized movies again!
00:58:42
-
00:58:44
Did we ever?
00:58:45
No, but can we start?
00:58:48
Yeah, really, all the fucked up shit we've ever seen is foreign.
00:58:52
Except for The Mist.
00:58:54
Except for The Mist, but that's not really fucked up.
00:58:55
That's just draw - that's just bleak.
00:58:58
It's bleak.
00:59:00
It's not fucked up.
00:59:01
That's true, but it is a movie where it's like, America just needs a hero's ending and I hate it.
00:59:10
Why?
00:59:10
He also said, he witnessed audiences leaving the remake who were completely over enthusiastic and clapped, laughed and whooped.
00:59:18
It was like being at rock concert while he recalled how people left my film traumatized.
00:59:27
And I was like, yeah, fuck yeah.
00:59:29
Yeah.
00:59:30
Anyways, 2 out of 5.
00:59:31
I didn't like it.
00:59:33
I was angry.
00:59:34
yes that, yep that - I saw that one coming.
00:59:40
Should we talk about the original?
00:59:42
Okay.
00:59:45
How scary did you think it was?
00:59:47
I gave it a 1 .5.
00:59:50
Because I do think this movie has moments of tension where my first watch through I was definitely like, what's going to happen?
00:59:59
What is this couple going to do to them?
01:00:02
Nothing could have prepared me for what they did to them.
01:00:04
But I had a fun time being creeped out wondering.
01:00:09
What about you?
01:00:10
I gave it a two.
01:00:12
Definitely more unsettling than it was scary.
01:00:15
I also just like weird side comment.
01:00:19
I think that they tried to use music in a really weird way to influence the vibe.
01:00:25
I was gonna tell you, if there's one thing that I liked the remake better, it was the music.
01:00:30
I didn't not like the music in the first one.
01:00:32
It was very jarring the whole way through.
01:00:35
Yeah.
01:00:35
It it...
01:00:37
It was almost overdone.
01:00:39
Yeah, it was that same like,
01:00:42
that they kept playing over and over and over again.
01:00:44
And it's like they'd just be driving and it would happen and I'm like, that's too loud and weird for what's happening right now.
01:00:50
Yeah, yeah, was just like they were trying to like bridge the gap between scenes weirdly.
01:00:56
Yeah, it was very strange.
01:00:58
And then there was no music everywhere else.
01:01:02
Very strange.
01:01:05
No, not at all.
01:01:06
work well with the music that they did for the big moments.
01:01:09
Not even big moments, big musical moments, but...
01:01:12
Yeah, yeah, very strange.
01:01:18
And it could have been effective in another movie or in different parts of the movie, but it just did, it was just very strange editing.
01:01:27
Agreed.
01:01:30
How sexy did you think the original was?
01:01:33
A one.
01:01:36
Yeah, there was no James McAvoy.
01:01:39
So nothing about this version did it for me.
01:01:43
You?
01:01:46
I also gave it a one and no like hate to the main cast like they're not bad -looking people It's just this was one of the rare moments where the tone of the film overpowered
01:01:56
any like sexual attraction you might feel I was too anxious to be feeling sexy.
01:02:06
How fucked up did you think it was?
01:02:08
I gave it a 2 .5.
01:02:12
This movie's pretty fucked up.
01:02:15
Watching your kid's tongue get cut out of her mouth in front of you is pretty fucked up.
01:02:21
Being stoned to death, that's pretty fucked up.
01:02:26
This is a...
01:02:28
It might be our only one.
01:02:30
I can't think of another movie where people get stoned to death.
01:02:34
Maybe if...
01:02:36
an adaptation of The Lottery exists, then we can find that.
01:02:40
No?
01:02:41
Too obscure?
01:02:43
The short story, yeah.
01:02:46
where they like win the lottery and they just get stoned.
01:02:50
Yeah, it's like a population control type of thing.
01:02:53
Or maybe it's like a sacrifice thing.
01:02:54
I can't remember.
01:02:54
It's been a long time since I've read it.
01:02:57
You should read it.
01:02:58
sounds like the like Asian countries that have a lottery for joining the military.
01:03:06
That's a draft.
01:03:09
You're right, that is called that.
01:03:10
That's...
01:03:11
But yeah, it's by Shirley Jackson.
01:03:14
You should read it.
01:03:15
Short story.
01:03:16
Shirley Jackson?
01:03:19
Mm -hmm.
01:03:21
She did the Haunting of Hill House.
01:03:25
Yeah.
01:03:28
But yeah, if you love stoning, read The Lottery.
01:03:32
I kind of just gave it away, but sorry.
01:03:36
Spoiler alert for The Lottery.
01:03:39
Ha ha!
01:03:40
Written in 1948.
01:03:44
Spoiler!
01:03:45
It's your fault if you haven't read it 100 years later.
01:03:48
That's honestly so true.
01:03:50
I didn't know that Shirley Jackson was from the 40s.
01:03:52
I thought she was more recent.
01:03:55
No, Haunting of Hill House was written in 1959.
01:03:59
It's old.
01:04:00
Yeah.
01:04:02
Me.
01:04:03
Okay.
01:04:06
I gave it a 2 .5 also.
01:04:09
Great.
01:04:10
Look at us being in line.
01:04:11
In line.
01:04:12
Okay.
01:04:15
It was way more fucked up than the original.
01:04:17
That's for fucking sure.
01:04:19
I agree with you.
01:04:20
Cutting a kid's tongue out on camera is.
01:04:24
What did I say?
01:04:25
Yeah, the remake.
01:04:28
Cutting a kid's tongue out on camera is fucking insane.
01:04:31
Dead kid in the pool.
01:04:32
Not ideal.
01:04:35
First stoning.
01:04:36
Awful.
01:04:36
I did not like the visual.
01:04:42
The visuals associated with stoning and the sound.
01:04:45
The sounds and the like slow -mo almost of it was crazy.
01:04:50
Yeah.
01:04:53
And just like the fact that this is not a happy ending, like this is the most unhappy ending we've seen.
01:05:00
Like I almost wish my kid had would have been dead, like in The Mist.
01:05:06
You know what mean?
01:05:07
It's just woof.
01:05:10
So yeah, 2 .5.
01:05:12
Fair.
01:05:14
Overall, what did you think of the original?
01:05:16
Don't piss me off, kd.
01:05:19
Just kidding.
01:05:22
Okay, good.
01:05:23
Yeah, you told me you need to finish it.
01:05:27
And I'm like, no, I'm not going to fucking finish it.
01:05:28
I wish I had just finished it.
01:05:32
My complaint about this movie is obviously not surprising because I tried watching it once already.
01:05:38
But like, I just got bored at the beginning.
01:05:41
Like nothing happens in the first two acts.
01:05:42
It was just such a slog.
01:05:45
And while that was definitely more effective in the long run for me, like I just, I just didn't like grab me, you know.
01:05:54
Anyway, yeah, it made the movie really slow.
01:05:56
The third act made up for that so much.
01:06:00
We got a lot of shit that we don't see in horror movies a lot.
01:06:04
Like fucking up with kids, kids dying, kids getting their tongue, like the kids stuff.
01:06:11
Yeah.
01:06:12
The stoning, holy shit.
01:06:13
All that was crammed in like five minutes.
01:06:16
It was kind of fun.
01:06:17
I liked it.
01:06:18
Yeah.
01:06:20
I liked it more than the remake.
01:06:24
I gave it a 3 .5.
01:06:26
Okay, not as big of a disparity as I would have liked, but...
01:06:32
Again, if you rate them independently of each other...
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I really feel like I am.
01:06:38
I still don't think that the remake did anything new or cool or exciting.
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And it was so predictable.
01:06:46
I don't know.
01:06:48
I like James McAvoy in it.
01:06:50
That was kind of it.
01:06:52
What'd you give this one?
01:06:54
I gave this...
01:06:56
I gave it a four out of five.
01:06:59
I like a slow burn.
01:07:01
And I like like...
01:07:02
I mean we've talked about it before but I'm not as big of a fan as paranormal as I am of like real life situations.
01:07:10
Like this is creepy because this could happen.
01:07:12
It's so fucked up.
01:07:14
And I love a movie that pushes boundaries.
01:07:16
I love that we get to see a stoning.
01:07:17
That's crazy.
01:07:18
When do we get to see that?
01:07:19
We just said that.
01:07:21
If you kill people in a new way in a horror movie at this point, it's kind of like, all right, now we're cooking with gas.
01:07:29
Let's go.
01:07:30
But yeah, I don't know.
01:07:32
I just think the original is just so bleak and like he said, traumatizing and interesting and new.
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And I get that it's frustrating for people, but that's kind of what I liked about it.
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Because I feel like in every other horror movie, you're like,
01:07:51
no, don't do that, you know?
01:07:52
Do it, stop, stop.
01:07:54
And then they do eventually.
01:07:55
And you get to stop yelling at them.
01:07:57
But in this one you don't.
01:07:58
They always do the thing that you don't want them to do.
01:08:00
And it's like, ugh, why?
01:08:04
Yeah.
01:08:06
I like it.
01:08:07
I think it's original.
01:08:08
I think it's well done, well acted.
01:08:12
Big fan.
01:08:15
Yeah, and I'm glad that I didn't rate it as high as you because I couldn't get through it the first time.
01:08:21
So that makes sense.
01:08:22
that does make sense.
01:08:24
And to be clear, I do like a slow burn.
01:08:26
I just didn't feel like this was, for me, an effective slow burn.
01:08:30
There just wasn't enough happening to make me like, okay, I gotta keep going.
01:08:35
You know what I mean?
01:08:38
I guess, yeah, I guess I did have the knowledge at the time that like horror fans were really excited about the movie.
01:08:46
So I did have that going into the original where I was like, I gotta see what's up.
01:08:50
I gotta see why people are so, like so many people I saw were like, great movie, never wanna watch it again.
01:08:56
And that's always interesting, know?
01:08:58
It's always like, why?
01:09:00
What happened?
01:09:03
Yeah.
01:09:03
I had a reason to keep going.
01:09:06
But I don't know, I also kind of felt like the slow burn was pretty effective.
01:09:10
But we talked about that.
01:09:13
Alright, would you survive Speak No Evil?
01:09:19
No.
01:09:20
Great.
01:09:21
Backtracking?
01:09:23
No, she wouldn't.
01:09:24
less time than these people knew the couple and the son.
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And I would absolutely go to their house and stay with them.
01:09:43
Especially, I think I've talked about them before, the Australians that I have met.
01:09:47
The nicest people in the universe.
01:09:49
I would absolutely go and visit them.
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If they extended the offer, they're like, hey, you're pretty cool.
01:09:53
First of all, I would be so flattered.
01:09:55
Second of all, I'm not turning down a free stay in Australia.
01:10:01
You know what mean?
01:10:03
would?
01:10:03
No, but go on.
01:10:07
Well, I mean, that's it.
01:10:08
So I go and then I die.
01:10:11
Well, okay.
01:10:12
So okay, I'm backtracking again.
01:10:15
I also, I there - Yeah, so there were some choices that the mother made that I would not have made.
01:10:21
I mean, there were some choices that that she made that I would have also made and then committed to, like finding the daughter in their bed.
01:10:29
I'm out.
01:10:31
Nothing's making me go back.
01:10:33
Okay, so then you live.
01:10:34
I guess I do.
01:10:35
I don't feel like I should be living through this one.
01:10:41
Up to you.
01:10:45
It's hard to say.
01:10:47
Yeah.
01:10:49
I don't know.
01:10:50
Do you live?
01:10:51
Yeah.
01:10:54
I'm not that polite.
01:10:55
I'm not going to someone's house who I've met once.
01:10:58
You're crazy for that.
01:11:00
What are you talking about?
01:11:02
I went to my husband's house after meeting him for a few hours.
01:11:07
Well, you know, I don't even do that.
01:11:15
Public place.
01:11:17
Good lighting.
01:11:19
Other people around.
01:11:22
There's one thing about me is that I'm not getting murdered, That's gonna be my famous last words.
01:11:27
They're gonna play this on a documentary one day.
01:11:29
I can't wait!
01:11:30
I can't fucking wait.
01:11:33
I'll give it to them.
01:11:34
Hey, you need some extra material?
01:11:36
fact, get murdered.
01:11:40
No, I'll counter with a, if there's one thing about me, it's that you're not fucking with my kid.
01:11:46
So I think the second my kid gets fucked with, I'm out.
01:11:50
And honestly, so are you.
01:11:52
See, there you go, so you live.
01:11:55
I think, yeah, if you hadn't left sooner, if they were naked in bed with your kid, you would be gone.
01:12:02
And I don't think you're going back for your kid's stuffed toy.
01:12:06
You or your husband.
01:12:07
I think you both are like, we'll buy you eight new toys, but we're not fucking going back there.
01:12:13
Yeah, we've tried so hard.
01:12:16
She has a toy like that.
01:12:19
We've tried so hard to find like a replacement on like eBay and stuff just to have one.
01:12:25
So I get it.
01:12:25
get the panic of like not being able to replace it, but.
01:12:30
Too - tough shit.
01:12:31
Sorry kid.
01:12:32
Yeah, sometimes being a parent is being like, yeah, my kid's gonna hate me right now, but in the long run, they're gonna be thanking me.
01:12:39
And that's one of those moments.
01:12:43
Yeah.
01:12:44
Okay cool, I live.
01:12:47
Thank you.
01:12:49
Alright, do you want to predict next week's movie?
01:12:55
Do you know what it is?
01:12:56
Hit me.
01:13:01
It's Nope.
01:13:02
It is Nope.
01:13:04
What happens in Nope?
01:13:06
Nope is a movie starring Keke Palmer and the hot Asian guy from Walking Dead.
01:13:16
Great.
01:13:17
Keke's character is a college student who travels to a Western inflatable man factory where, you know, these men?
01:13:33
Yes.
01:13:35
Where they make the stockmen and they inflate or whatever slash carnival.
01:13:39
Great.
01:13:41
I'm not really sure which, to visit her family and the hot guy from Walking Dead who plays the manager that's like kind of like deep south manager -y cowboy guy of the inflatable
01:13:56
man factory.
01:13:58
And the man factory is also on a ranch.
01:14:01
The Man Factory is on a ranch.
01:14:03
Yep, with horses.
01:14:05
And the horses are being abducted by clouds.
01:14:09
Damn.
01:14:10
And every time it happens, the people on the Inflatable man ranch are like, nope.
01:14:17
Yeah.
01:14:18
We're gonna pretend like that didn't just happen.
01:14:20
Great.
01:14:21
Well, sorry, but yep, it was happening.
01:14:25
And then it starts to happen to all the people on the ranch.
01:14:27
They get abducted by the clouds.
01:14:28
And then you come to find out that the whole time, the clouds were being controlled by a chimpanzee.
01:14:37
Yes.
01:14:41
I knew it.
01:14:44
An incredible plot put together by someone who's seen stills and things from the film.
01:14:53
Because you have all the elements just not in the right way you're so close
01:15:03
Ugh.
01:15:12
Keke Palmer and Steven Yeun are both in it, but it stars someone else.
01:15:18
The guy from the other.
01:15:19
Yeah.
01:15:20
Get out, Daniel Kaluuya, yes.
01:15:26
Yeah, yeah.
01:15:29
And the rest, I'll let you watch so that the full impact of the chimps controlling the cloud hits you as it was meant to.
01:15:38
I'm really interested to see how the chimpanzee is part of this.
01:15:43
Is it just a carnival thing?
01:15:44
He's just part of the carnival?
01:15:45
Is there a carnival?
01:15:49
Sorry.
01:15:51
Okay.
01:15:51
I'm not going to tell you, because I think that that's a fun discussion that we can have.
01:15:56
I hope more than anything that he has something to do with the aliens.
01:16:02
The clouds.
01:16:03
The UFOs.
01:16:04
That he's in cahoots.
01:16:06
Yeah.
01:16:08
Wouldn't that be crazy?
01:16:09
hope so too, kd, I really do.
01:16:13
be the first evil chimpanzee movie we've watched in the last month.
01:16:17
Fall of the House of Usher!
01:16:18
I was like, wait, what?
01:16:22
That's true.
01:16:25
Well I'm looking forward to it.
01:16:26
This is the last of the available Jordan Peele movies.
01:16:33
Yes.
01:16:35
You will have seen them all after this.
01:16:38
Good.
01:16:39
I'm excited.
01:16:40
Me too!
01:16:42
Well, we'll see you next Tuesday.
01:16:45
Yeah, we'll see you then.
01:16:46
We're going to be talking about evil chimps controlling the sky.
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