Today we’re talking about the 1990 horror classic Jacob’s Ladder, and its 2019 remake. The original is a bleak look into the life of Jacob (played by Tim Robbins), a philosopher who, after the death of his son, experiences strange visions of his military past. The remake just sucks.
Horror News
👉 Apartment 7A is confirmed as a Rosemary’s Baby prequel, gets trailer: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/apartment-7a-trailer-rosemarys-baby-prequel-julia-garner-dianne-wiest-1236090553/
👉 V/H/S: Beyond details released: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/beyond-reveals-first-trailer-1235985311/
👉 Horror movies releasing September 2024: https://movieweb.com/horror-movies-releasing-september-2024/
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Hello?
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We were both waiting for the other person to start.
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I was making faces letting you know that it was your turn to start.
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Yeah.
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never really like taken turns, so I feel like it was, yeah, it's usually you, which is why I was like, I'll wait.
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But your face said, no, no.
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You go.
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Yeah, like it was vaguely threatening, but also sexy.
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So.
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Thanks.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Welcome back to Killer Cuties Podcast.
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That's us.
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Can I tell a little fun fact about us?
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Yep.
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I don't know, actually.
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It's not about us as people, more about the podcast.
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We use a company called Riverside to do our podcast editing and they have like automatic transcripts that come through and not once since we started using them have they ever
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gotten Killer Cuties Podcast correctly.
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It's always something different like Q-Ts like...
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or like something, like it's like literally just whatever other kuh sounding word you can think of, that's what it is instead of Cuties.
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It's never Cuties.
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I know.
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I think it's fun, I should make a little compilation of them all.
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Yeah.
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It's actually Friday.
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Behind the scenes at one o 'clock in the afternoon.
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But happy Halloween Horror Nights opening night!
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It is opening nights.
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That's exciting!
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I've seen lots of already on TikTok, spoiler free reviews of some of the big mazes for this year.
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I'm excited.
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It and we'll be there in two weeks.
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Yeah, I'm pumped.
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Super, super excited.
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I love Halloween Horror Nights.
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Yeah, same.
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All right, I have a couple news.
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Mm.
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Go on.
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Wow, sorry, my mind just like stopped working.
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That was crazy.
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First, the psychological thriller called Apartment 7A was always kind of rumored to be a prequel to the classic Rosemary's Baby, but that's been confirmed.
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It is a prequel.
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The film's gonna star Julia Garner from Ozark.
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Love her.
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And it's said to be about a struggling young dancer who suffers a devastating injury.
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She finds herself drawn in by dark forces when a peculiar, well -connected older couple takes her into their home at a luxurious apartment building, the Bramford.
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So it's kind going to be exploring what happened in the apartment before Rosemary moved in and the trailer has dropped for that so we will include that in the episode description.
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And then the second one, the found footage horror anthology series V/H/S.
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It originally came out in 2012.
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It's launched multiple sequels as well as a few spinoffs and it's not stopping there.
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Shudder has announced recently that they'll be releasing the next installment V/H/S:Beyond.
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on October 4th of this year.
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Sci -fi, sci -fi.
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Yes.
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It's going to feature six new blood curdling tapes placing horror at the forefront of a sci -fi inspired hellscape.
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So that sounds right up our alley.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It is.
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I think like they've just kind of been pushing those out every once in a while.
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So I think there was like a brief moment where they had to move studios and stuff like that.
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And we didn't know if there was going to be more, but
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Shudder is continuing it.
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They're giving us that anthology.
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Good for Shudder.
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There you go.
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Love that.
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But there's also a teaser trailer for that as well, so we'll link it as well.
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Can we just do- Julia Garner?
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Is that a neppo baby?
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I don't know.
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If you're thinking Jennifer Garner, I don't think so.
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Nice.
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Early life.
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Control -F, Jennifer.
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No.
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Damn, okay.
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Wow.
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I don't think she's a nepo baby.
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No, she is.
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Not here though.
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Her mom is a therapist who had a successful career as an actress and comedian in Israel.
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And then her dad's a painter and an art teacher.
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Okay, well.
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That's it.
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She's not related to Jennifer Garner.
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Okay.
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That's what I care about.
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But she is a nepo baby.
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Called it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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don't think it's quite the same.
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No, no.
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Not quite.
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Alright, well, I've got September 2024 horror movie releases.
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I'll give you all the movies, but I'm only going to give you snippets of the ones you should be excited about.
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And you decided?
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Great, okay.
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This Friday, September 6th, I know, few days, we have Red Rooms, which is a serial killer film about creepypasta.
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I'm paraphrasing.
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Also, The Front Room, Don't Turn Out The Lights, and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice.
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Crazy that you didn't give us a description for The Front Room.
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We've already talked about it.
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It's a thriller starring Brandy fucking Norwood.
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Who?
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You don't know who Brandy is?
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Oh got it.
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What did you say after Brandy?
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I know who Brandy is.
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Brandy Norwood, her full name!
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I didn't know her last name was...
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I didn't know she had a last name.
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I just know her as Brandy like the rest of the population.
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Fair.
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But we know we've talked about that.
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We talked about Brandy's upcoming horror movie.
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That's it.
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Next Friday, September 13th, Friday the 13th, we have Hereafter, which is a Frankenstein adjacent film.
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It's a reanimation film starring Connie Britton of American Horror Story and Nightmare on Elm Street.
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I did not know she was in Nightmare on Elm Street.
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I did not make that connection.
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She's in the remake.
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Gross.
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That's why.
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Also on the 13th, the remake, speaking of remakes, of Speak No Evil.
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I won't give you anything about that because we're going to talk about it in two weeks.
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You can watch the episode.
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You can also check out on Friday the 13th, Meanwhile on Earth, Midnight Maniac and Booger.
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Booger.
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Yeah, we're running out of things to call horror movies.
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September 17th, you can check out Voice of Shadows.
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And then here's a real fun one.
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September 19th, The Babadook is coming back to theaters for its 10th anniversary.
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I know, I'm really excited about that one.
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On the 20th, the next day, The Substance starring Demi Moore, Dennis Quaid, we talk about him in every episode, and Margaret Qualey releases.
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That one's about an actress who doesn't want to age.
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Very original.
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And also on the 20th, yeah, I mean, I mean, the cast alone.
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Also on the 20th is Never Let Go and Last Straw.
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On the 24th, we have Night of the Harvest and Winter Island.
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And last but not least on the 27th, you can catch Bagman, Apartment 7A, which we just talked about, Asriel, and that's that one's got a limited release.
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And then Abruptio, which came out last year, it's a puppet movie, puppet horror movie starring Jordan Peele.
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Incredible.
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Mm -hmm.
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It does not look funny.
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Why would puppets be funny?
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I'm gonna watch all of them.
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I'm not gonna watch all of them, but I'll watch the ones that are in a theater near me.
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Yeah, which should be most of them.
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Yeah, I feel like I've seen trailers for a lot of those.
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I will say I'm excited for The Front Room, because I love Brandy.
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She's the best Cinderella.
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I'm excited for The Substance, because I've heard it's like feminist body horror, and who doesn't love that?
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I'm excited for...
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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, obviously.
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And what is it?
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Never Let Go.
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That's the one with Halle Berry, right?
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Couldn't tell you.
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That is one of them.
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I'm pretty sure that's the one with her.
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I'm excited for that one.
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Yeah, we talked about that one too.
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She has like twins or something.
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Yeah.
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We also talked about The Substance a long time ago.
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Yeah.
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Because I said it's described as a feminist body horror, and you went, ew.
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Now, mind has changed.
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That was a long time ago.
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She's a new woman.
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Nice.
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Well, let us know in the comments which one you're most excited to see.
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I'm going to keep doing...
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engagement farming ironically until it becomes natural.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, we are here to talk about Jacob's Ladder and its remake, unfortunately.
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Sorry, I shouldn't spoil my feelings about it.
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No, I'm not going to hold you.
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I wish I had never said we should watch the remake.
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That movie's ass.
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I appreciate it.
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I watched it on 1 .5 speed because I couldn't do it.
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did I!
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On Dailymotion?
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I watched it on Dailymotion, 1 .5 speed.
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it.
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I got like 30 minutes in and then I was like, we're gonna have to wrap this up pretty quickly.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So if it's been a while since you've seen them or you've never watched the remake, you don't care to, the 1990 version - the overview is at mourning his jed...
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Start that one again.
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Mourning his death- I'm having a lot of issues speaking today.
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I don't know why.
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Are you gonna have a migraine?
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I always get kind of stroky before I get a migraine.
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Oh no.
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I don't know.
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I don't know as though I've really ever had a migraine.
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I don't get headaches very often.
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Yeah, I don't get them very often, so I'm a big fucking bitch when I do get them.
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So that's why I'm like, it feels like I have a migraine, but it's probably just a regular headache.
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Anyways, 1990 version.
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Mourning his dead child, a haunted Vietnam war veteran attempts to uncover his past while suffering from a severe case of dissociation.
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To do so, he must decipher reality and life from his own dreams, delusions, and perceptions of death.
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And then the 2019 version changed a few things.
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So in this version, after his brother returns home from war, Jacob Singer struggles to maintain his sanity.
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Plagued by hallucinations and flashbacks, Singer rapidly falls apart as the world and the people around him morph and twist into disturbing images.
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And both of those are from IMDb.
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Which is weird that it says after his brother returns home from war.
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He was also at war.
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They were both at war.
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And his brother died.
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But his brother didn't come back from war.
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His brother was dead in the plot of the movie.
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He dies.
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Well no, but then comes back.
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That's the whole plot.
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So there's that when he comes back.
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it's a spoiler for the summary to include that he comes back, like...
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But that happens pretty early on.
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And that's not like the twist of the movie.
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It's like, know.
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All right, for cast and crew, the 1990 version was directed by Adrian Lyne.
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It was written by Bruce Joel Rubin and it stars Tim Robbins and Elizabeth Peña.
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It has a 7 .4 on IMDb, a 72 % critics and an 84 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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It had a budget of 25 million,
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and it made $26 .1 million.
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So not a huge box office success, but it has garnered a huge cult following since its release and it's gotten critical acclaim since.
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The 2019 version was directed by David M.
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Rosenthal.
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The screenplay was by Jeff Buhler and Sarah Thorp.
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Story by Jake Wade Wall and Jeff Buhler, but based on the original.
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A lot of writing credits.
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Not sure why.
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This stars Michael Ealy and Jesse Williams.
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It has a 3 .6 on IMDb, a 4 % critic score, and 34 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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And I could not find one single thing about its budget or how much it made, which tells me they did not want me to know that information.
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Couldn't have been good.
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Never a good sign when they're trying to scrub any evidence of financials from the movie.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I kinda hoped that it would be like one of those remakes that everybody hates and then I watch it and I'm like, okay, that wasn't that bad.
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You guys are being dramatic.
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You know what I mean?
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They weren't.
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No.
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That...
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Yeah.
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The only thing I like about that movie-
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Jesse Williams.
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I was gonna say the performances.
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I think that Michael Ealy and Jesse Williams, I hope I'm saying that right by the way, is it Ealy or Ailey?
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I don't know, I thought it was Ealy.
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But anyways, they both did a fantastic job.
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Great performances, they did everything they could do.
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And they still couldn't save it.
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I also didn't mind the concept of one brother's married to the wife and the other brother thinks he's married.
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Like, I liked that kind of concept.
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I think that would have worked really well in the original.
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Okay.
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That would have been fun in the original, but.
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See, I think that kind of takes away, like, I think what's so compelling about the original is that you're watching this guy, like, try to figure out what the fuck is going
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on in his own life.
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And so it's like, you care about him and like Tim Robbins does an incredible job in the original.
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He's really fantastic.
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Can you be an Oscar winner and still underrated?
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Because if you can be, it's Tim Robbins.
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But yeah, so I feel like that kind of took it away because...
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For half the movie, he's just concerned about his brother.
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And so you're not really that into it.
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And his brother only exists to be something he can bounce off of.
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There's not really anything to his brother's character.
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But I didn't hate all the changes that they made.
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I thought, obviously, updating the war aspect from Vietnam to Afghanistan made a lot of sense.
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I didn't mind that it was focusing more on like a drug administered after the war to help with PTSD rather than before the war.
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Like that was fine.
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I feel like that could have worked.
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It didn't, but it could have in a perfect world.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But I guess the brother thing, like they had, they couldn't do the same twist in the original.
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They had to do something different because even if you watch Jacob's Ladder now,
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I feel like a lot of people would be like, okay, you know.
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We've seen that twist before, but like, this was 1990, like, this was pre Sixth Sense, like, this was not a thing back then.
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Yeah, the remake, they kept everything great about the original, but made it ass.
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And then added, they took everything out.
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I don't know.
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They took out everything great and added garbage.
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Like, you know I'm saying?
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Like, hmm.
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No.
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They kept a lot of good things.
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Everything that they kept that was good from the original, they made terrible.
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Okay, got it.
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Okay, got it, got it, got it.
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I'm following now.
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Yeah, I agree.
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They kind of just took out all of the style, all of the like heart, all of the meaning from the first one.
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I don't even think they watched the original.
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I think they read the Wikipedia synopsis and thought, I get it, and then went for it.
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Yes.
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Yeah, they just tried too hard.
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They tried too hard to modernize it.
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They...
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It didn't...
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The original did not need a remake.
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It didn't.
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And I'm not even against remakes necessarily.
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But this one really didn't need it.
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And also, yeah, they just like they made it into that stereotypical.
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This wasn't done by Blumhouse, but like Blumhouse movie where it's just like bad jump scares, bad CGI, bad scripts, like throw everything in there, call it a day.
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Hopefully we make some money off of it.
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Mm -hmm.
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And it didn't work.
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Yeah, they tried to capitalize on this cult following that was growing and did terrible job.
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I could see what they were going for.
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I mean, they recreated a lot of scenes almost shot for shot.
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Like the subway scene and the bus being on the bus with the homeless person.
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I could see what they were going for, but
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We don't need you to recreate those scenes because we already have them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I found out after I finished it that Jeff Buhler, who helped screenwrite the remake, also did screenplays for two other remakes that came out around the same time.
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The Grudge 2020 and Pet Sematary 2019, both of which people also fucking hated.
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So maybe.
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Jeff, respectfully, you should stop writing remakes because it's not working.
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Write your own movies, Jeff.
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Haha
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Jeff, dude.
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My name's Jeff.
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Anyways.
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I'm not gonna lie, I don't have a lot to talk about with the remake.
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I think we've talked enough about the remake.
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It wasn't good.
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It was in post -production for two years and it had been finished for a year before anybody even got to see it.
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I think they knew.
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This movie sucks.
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What are we gonna do?
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Yeah.
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I don't even think -
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six more months and released it during COVID, people had nothing better to do but to watch terrible movies.
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I don't think they knew.
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Yeah.
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I mean.
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If only they'd known.
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But yeah, I it wasn't even...
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I think it was like limited theatrical.
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It wasn't even like wide released, I don't think.
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It's giving straight to DVD.
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It's giving,
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I was gonna say Shudder Original, but that's not even nice because Shudder's done better movies than this.
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It's giving like, the worst of Syfy originals, you know?
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Yeah.
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yeah.
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Hallmark.
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Hallmark Horror.
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Yeah, this is horror Hallmark.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there weren't even a lot of fun facts about it.
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Like, nobody wants to talk about this movie.
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I think everybody just wants to pretend that this movie never happened, myself included.
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Yeah, I don't blame them.
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There's like one interesting fact, not even interesting fact, it's such a fucking reach.
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There's one fact on the IMDb trivia.
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Jesse Williams and Joseph Sikora, who plays the tiniest character in the movie, like has two lines, starred together on an episode of a 2014 show called Power.
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Hell yeah.
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That's the most interesting fun fact about this movie.
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The remake, to be clear.
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Yep.
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Anyway, so we can pretend like that never happened and we didn't have to watch it on 2x speed.
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Today we're talking about only the 1990 version of Jacob's Ladder.
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Ugh.
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If anything though, makes you appreciate the original a bit more, you know?
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Even if you watched the original and you're like, that wasn't for me, I think you watched the remake and you're like, never mind, the original was for me.
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Yes.
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Yes, absolutely.
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It definitely made me want to watch it again.
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Like palette cleanse.
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I need to do that.
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It's on my list of things to do.
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There you go.
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Uhhhh...
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Favorite fun fact about the original?
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We're just gonna talk about the original from now on.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right now.
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You already know I'm gonna say it.
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All the SFX were filmed live, no post -production.
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Yes.
00:22:43
I know.
00:22:43
And that's my favorite thing ever.
00:22:46
I just...
00:22:47
I love...
00:22:49
I love practical effects so much.
00:22:52
It really worked in this one too.
00:22:54
It did, yeah.
00:22:55
I feel like it held up pretty well.
00:22:59
Yeah, are you gonna tell them how they did the head shaking thing?
00:23:03
If you want me to, yeah.
00:23:04
It's just about like FPS.
00:23:05
I don't know if people care about that, but...
00:23:10
Yeah, the head shaking effect they did.
00:23:12
Adrian Lyne just filmed the actor waving his head around and then like keeping his shoulders and the rest of his body completely still, just his head at 4 FPS.
00:23:22
And then when they played it back at 24 FPS, it was like way faster.
00:23:26
That's how they did it.
00:23:28
Cute.
00:23:30
You could do that yourself on a laptop nowadays.
00:23:32
Yeah.
00:23:34
That was big technology back then.
00:23:38
30 years ago?
00:23:39
35 years ago?
00:23:41
Don't say things like that.
00:23:42
The 90s was exactly 20 years ago and it always will be.
00:23:45
I went on a real big rabbit hole.
00:23:47
I could probably talk for 20 minutes about the art that influenced this movie.
00:23:52
Yeah.
00:23:54
Shall I?
00:23:56
Maybe not, maybe rein it in a little bit, but you can talk about it.
00:24:00
Okay, okay.
00:24:01
Well, you let me talk about birds as long as I want it?
00:24:03
Am I allowed to talk about art?
00:24:04
I would have cut you off had you gone on longer.
00:24:07
Okay.
00:24:09
Well, I just want to get into the lore of some of the artistic influences for the film.
00:24:14
So we have two painters who are known for kind of beautifying the macabre and normalizing what was kind of considered not normal back then.
00:24:29
Yeah.
00:24:31
And then, or sorry, that's that's photographers, and then painters who portrayed kind of like a mixture of heavenly and monstrous themes.
00:24:39
So and this is in no way an exhaustive list, but I highlighted the ones I thought were the most interesting.
00:24:44
Joel-Peter Witkin is a photographer who's known for his portrayals of death, corpses and dismemberment.
00:24:53
He's praised for celebrating bodies with a range of physical features in unique and artistic
00:24:58
manners.
00:25:00
He actually enlisted in the army during the Vietnam War, much like Jacob in the original.
00:25:06
And again, this is all about the original, not the remake, with the intention of capturing wartime photography.
00:25:13
And he was influenced, he wanted to capture death and wartime because as a young child, a
00:25:21
car accident happened outside of his home and he witnessed the decapitation of another young child.
00:25:28
So that was his sort of influence of wanting to capture wartime photography.
00:25:33
Yeah, that's Joel-Peter Witkin.
00:25:37
The other photographer is Diane Arbus.
00:25:40
She did not have quite as terrible of an influence, but she's another photographer whose work kind of helped normalize
00:25:50
normalize, I say in quotes, marginalized people.
00:25:53
So transgender people, people with dwarfism.
00:25:58
She did a lot of photography of those marginalized groups.
00:26:04
Then we have William Blake, who a lot of horror fans should know.
00:26:10
His painting, The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun, or his poem, Auguries of Innocent.
00:26:19
Which both play a significant role in Red Dragon.
00:26:22
That's how most people should know him.
00:26:24
Red Dragon obviously introduced Hannibal Lecter.
00:26:27
Highly recommend looking up that painting, The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun.
00:26:30
It's beautiful.
00:26:33
Then H .R.
00:26:34
Giger was another inspiration.
00:26:36
He is the man who inspired the alien.
00:26:40
From Alien.
00:26:42
He created Alien.
00:26:44
You can absolutely see that in the, yeah, exactly, in the tentacles and stuff
00:26:49
that were happening in the film.
00:26:52
And then one more, we've got Francis Bacon, whose style very clearly also influenced the unsettling and iconic head shaking movement from the film.
00:27:01
Here, I'll show you.
00:27:02
I'll show you.
00:27:03
Ohhh.
00:27:05
This is obviously Giger.
00:27:07
This is Giger.
00:27:09
From Alien.
00:27:10
-huh.
00:27:12
This is the Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun.
00:27:15
This scene is in the movie.
00:27:19
This painting - er, this picture by Witkin.
00:27:22
And it's also in Silent Hill.
00:27:25
That's all you're gonna say about Silent Hill?
00:27:27
no, I figured we would talk about that more.
00:27:32
It is a great segue.
00:27:33
Let's talk more about it.
00:27:34
I mean, there's not much to say.
00:27:35
It's just that this movie served as a huge inspiration to the early games in the Silent Hill video game franchise.
00:27:43
It's very much the style and the storyline was what they wanted.
00:27:48
I feel like you can see that.
00:27:51
Yeah.
00:27:51
The like, whole nurse thing walking through the hallway with bodies and stuff.
00:27:57
No eyes.
00:27:58
Yeah.
00:27:59
I can see it.
00:28:00
Me too.
00:28:02
Also though, you said enlisted like Jacob did, which I mean like, yes, I guess, but there's a moment when he, in the movie where he unfolds his army discharge certificate and
00:28:16
it shows the service number and the service number actually correlates with a draftee service number.
00:28:24
So I think it's implying he was drafted, but also I don't know if that's what they were actually im-
00:28:28
plying because they only used it because the prop master, Thomas K.
00:28:33
Wright, that was his service number.
00:28:35
He just used it because it was his.
00:28:39
Well, remember the lawyer?
00:28:44
Isn't he in like Seinfeld or something?
00:28:45
He's in some.
00:28:47
There was no one else who could do that job but George Costanza.
00:28:50
He's in Seinfeld.
00:28:54
I mean, he's in a lot, but yeah, Seinfeld is...
00:28:57
Yeah.
00:28:59
they never were in the war.
00:29:03
Yeah, I think that that is just part of his like delusions though.
00:29:08
That like there's this huge conspiracy, right?
00:29:12
Yeah.
00:29:13
Because I don't think anything really...
00:29:17
In terms of, I guess, interpreting it, right?
00:29:19
I don't actually see this movie as like a he was dead the whole time type of movie.
00:29:23
I see this as almost like every time we get clips from him back in the war, like flashbacks, I think of that as just like where he's actually at in real time.
00:29:34
And everything that's happening in between is him basically in purgatory.
00:29:39
Right.
00:29:39
So like he's halfway up the ladder and it's kind of like which way is he going to go?
00:29:45
Right.
00:29:48
So I consider it more of like a yes, he dies in the end, but he wasn't dead the whole time, if that makes sense.
00:29:55
Okay.
00:29:56
Okay, great.
00:30:01
But yeah, so I don't necessarily see that as like real.
00:30:06
It's just his mind and like the demons and the angels kind of like influencing him one way or the other.
00:30:13
So I do think he was enlisted.
00:30:16
Because I think he dies in the end, like that's him enlisted.
00:30:19
Yeah.
00:30:20
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:20
Excellent point.
00:30:21
Excellent point.
00:30:23
But something to read into a little more if you don't like us think.
00:30:27
It's a very linear story.
00:30:30
I think so.
00:30:31
Yeah.
00:30:31
I get why it feels confusing.
00:30:33
Does it?
00:30:35
To some people, yeah, I think because it is very like hard cuts to other lives and back to the war and what's going on and then he's dead at the end and you're like, wait, what?
00:30:49
So I could see how people could kind of be like, that's confusing and maybe need another watch through, but.
00:30:56
end, the doctors say he was fighting so hard.
00:31:01
Like that to me kind of wrapped it up with a bow.
00:31:03
Like, OK, he was literally just trying not to die or deciding whether or not he wanted to die.
00:31:08
Right, yeah.
00:31:12
Yeah, I think he was just getting pulled in two different directions and that's...
00:31:15
And then...
00:31:15
Macaulay Culkin took him home.
00:31:18
Yeah, Macaulay!
00:31:20
The first time -
00:31:23
the wildest part is when it just cuts to him looking at a picture of Macaulay Culkin and crying and you're like, whoa, wait, what?
00:31:28
was just gonna say the first time you see him, you're like, okay, it's in a photo and you're like, what the fuck?
00:31:34
He's not in this.
00:31:35
Why is he sobbing over Macaulay Culkin?
00:31:38
Mm -hmm.
00:31:40
Yeah, I guess there's some controversy there with Macaulay's dad saying that, he didn't want to be credited because it doesn't fit Macaulay's image.
00:31:52
But yeah.
00:31:53
Yeah, I mean this was...
00:31:55
Was this the same year as Home Alone?
00:31:57
It came out in the 90s.
00:31:58
Home Alone, 1990, yeah.
00:32:00
So same year.
00:32:01
So I could see like if both of these movies, or like if he knew that this movie was coming out that winter, you'd probably not want him to be associated with this movie, because
00:32:10
then people are gonna, yeah.
00:32:12
So I get it.
00:32:15
But what are you gonna do?
00:32:19
Now he's so well known that you can't watch the movie without knowing that it's him, so it doesn't matter if he's credited.
00:32:28
It worked out in the end.
00:32:30
Yeah, it did.
00:32:31
The opening scene.
00:32:33
First of all, there were some racial slurs in that scene that I have not heard in a very long time.
00:32:38
Yikes.
00:32:40
Yeah.
00:32:41
Yeah.
00:32:42
Which is honestly...
00:32:43
Yeah.
00:32:46
Which is promising.
00:32:47
Maybe some of the slurs we have now will also go away.
00:32:49
That would be real...
00:32:51
nice.
00:32:53
Yeah.
00:32:54
But that whole scene was improvised to make it feel authentic.
00:32:58
Like the...
00:32:59
masturbating chicken choking scene.
00:33:02
Yeah.
00:33:03
I don't know if all of it was, but most of it was.
00:33:06
Yeah.
00:33:08
I'm going to say that for clarity because I don't want to like put the slurs on the actors improvising.
00:33:16
But I mean, I'm sure that they did include, because that was like, that was how Vietnam soldiers talked, right?
00:33:22
Like that was just kind of ingrained in their vocabulary at that point in time.
00:33:27
Yeah.
00:33:28
Which, another fun fact is that all of those actors, anyone that was in the like wartime scenes did a five day boot camp.
00:33:40
No thank you.
00:33:42
I'm good.
00:33:44
Five days?
00:33:46
I would join the military if I didn't have mental illness.
00:33:49
People who are mentally ill join the military.
00:33:52
But if you've been previously diagnosed as mentally ill, you're not allowed.
00:33:57
have to lie to the doctors first and then you can go...
00:34:00
Or just be recruited when you're 18 and you haven't gone to the doctor yet.
00:34:04
Even at 18, it was too late for me.
00:34:09
I was still lying to the doctor at that point.
00:34:12
Yeah.
00:34:13
They didn't get me till 19.
00:34:16
Had you been drafted to the military.
00:34:18
You know, I even went and I did the test.
00:34:22
couldn't even be drafted.
00:34:25
Yeah, you're right.
00:34:25
Whatever.
00:34:26
Well, not back then.
00:34:27
I think by the time we were 18, women could join the military, but you couldn't be drafted.
00:34:33
I don't think we can be drafted still.
00:34:34
I don't think so either.
00:34:35
I think they're trying to work on that, right?
00:34:39
Wasn't that like a whole thing people were talking about that women should be drafted?
00:34:43
What side wants women to be drafted?
00:34:45
Women or not women?
00:34:46
I don't think women want to be drafted, but it's the whole like, well, if we're equal, then you have to be drafted.
00:34:52
You know, it's like that argument.
00:34:54
Yeah.
00:34:55
Which jokes on them, I don't think anybody should be drafted.
00:35:00
I also don't think 18 year olds should join the military.
00:35:06
What?
00:35:07
I said Iceland doesn't even have a military and they're doing great.
00:35:10
Well, yeah, they also, aren't they like, no, that's, what is that, Sweden is always neutral?
00:35:17
Switzerland, thank you.
00:35:18
know that from Twilight.
00:35:19
I'm Switzerland, okay?
00:35:21
like, you have to take a side.
00:35:22
Sometimes.
00:35:25
No, not there.
00:35:27
Edward and Jacob were both terrible.
00:35:31
Team therapists for Bella.
00:35:36
Well, yeah, because he imprinted on a fucking baby, kd.
00:35:40
What is wrong with Stephanie Myers?
00:35:45
A lot.
00:35:45
She grew up in Arizona, that's thing one.
00:35:47
That'll do it to you.
00:35:48
That'll do it.
00:35:50
Not to say that I relate to her at all.
00:35:53
Having grown up in Arizona, but...
00:35:54
clarify.
00:35:55
Anyways.
00:35:58
Yeah, all that to say, I would join the military.
00:36:01
It's the same as my fascination with being in jail.
00:36:03
I mean, they're telling you what to do, when to do it.
00:36:05
You're up and around.
00:36:06
You're healthy.
00:36:07
They're making- you getting paid to move around and be fit.
00:36:09
It's better than jail, in fact, because you're being paid.
00:36:13
you'd be so anxious and stressed out all the time because it's literally constantly your boss yelling at you and never giving you praise.
00:36:20
And that's exactly what you want.
00:36:22
that's okay.
00:36:24
Yeah, I am a little slut for praise from a boss.
00:36:27
But I know if I'm in the military, I'm not going to get that.
00:36:31
So it's like, you know, whatever.
00:36:32
And then when I do, it's even fucking sweeter.
00:36:35
Good for you.
00:36:36
I will not be joining you.
00:36:42
Also, can I just say I was much closer guessing
00:36:45
this movie when I guessed American Mary.
00:36:49
Hahaha
00:36:52
Thank you.
00:36:54
I thought you were gonna say you were close when you were guessing this movie.
00:36:56
I was like, no.
00:36:59
But yeah, American Mary's plot was closer to this than anything else you said, yeah.
00:37:03
Not bad.
00:37:04
War movies, which speaking of, I was going to like badly segue into another fun fact.
00:37:15
What were you going to do?
00:37:17
don't know.
00:37:18
You really threw me off.
00:37:19
It's okay.
00:37:22
in a mood today.
00:37:23
Anyways, Tim Robbins said in an interview about the movie, I think it was in 2015, that he thinks one of the reasons it didn't do well at the box office was because of the war
00:37:35
scenes in Vietnam and because the national mood in 1990 was all about the Gulf War.
00:37:43
So people were not wanting anti -war messaging, I think, at that point because...
00:37:49
We were in one, so...
00:37:51
Yeah.
00:37:51
Not me, I I always want anti war movies.
00:37:55
Yeah.
00:37:58
And we're always in a different war.
00:38:00
Yeah, we love war.
00:38:01
America loves war.
00:38:02
I mean, I guess we're not really in a war, but like the world is in a war.
00:38:06
Not a world war.
00:38:07
No, we're not, yet.
00:38:11
Yeah, knock on wood.
00:38:14
We're always in war.
00:38:15
One just - without context is this sentence makes no sense and I had to really think about it, but I wrote Jacob had a Wilson House air about him.
00:38:27
Wait, that makes perfect sense to me.
00:38:29
Yeah, now- Jacob had a Wilson from House air about him.
00:38:33
Yeah, he just totally felt like Wilson to me.
00:38:35
Okay.
00:38:36
I feel like that's fair because I feel like, yeah, they have similar vibes.
00:38:44
I would agree with that.
00:38:46
It is kind of vibe thing.
00:38:48
they just well they kind of like and then they kind like talk out of the side of their mouth the same way
00:38:52
Okay.
00:38:52
They just, you know, it's just a vibe.
00:38:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:56
We should put Robert Sean Leonard and Tim Robbins next to each other and just see.
00:39:01
Well, like right now?
00:39:01
like a vibe.
00:39:02
Not right now, just like in your own time, go ahead and Google them.
00:39:06
Okay.
00:39:07
I was gonna do it right now.
00:39:09
Because you're right, I don't think that they necessarily look alike, but it's the vibe.
00:39:16
Yeah.
00:39:16
Yeah.
00:39:17
Also, speaking of the cast, Elizabeth Peña, she played the woman I wanted to be when I grew up.
00:39:29
In this movie?
00:39:31
Great, I was like, she's a demon in this movie.
00:39:34
No.
00:39:36
She's terrible.
00:39:37
A terrible person in this movie.
00:39:40
Great acting.
00:39:41
A terrible person.
00:39:49
The Sciencey Woman in Free Willy 2.
00:39:50
I would have never gotten there.
00:39:51
I was so far up on her IMDb.
00:39:57
There's, there's in, in that movie she does this one line where she goes, go for it!
00:40:02
And I say that all the time, just like her.
00:40:06
Yeah, I've always wanted to be a whale sciency woman, just like Elizabeth Peña in Free Willy 2.
00:40:11
What's stopping you?
00:40:14
I'm in the middle of Arizona.
00:40:15
Okay.
00:40:16
I did it though.
00:40:16
did get to be a whale science woman for like five years on the boats.
00:40:23
It was great.
00:40:25
I lived that life.
00:40:25
It's past life now.
00:40:27
Yeah.
00:40:31
Well, for that role, Adrian Lyne auditioned about 300 women, including Jennifer Lopez, Andy McDowell, Madonna, Demi Moore, and Julia Roberts.
00:40:47
But it went to Elizabeth Peña, who was the first person to audition for the role.
00:40:51
So why'd they keep going?
00:40:54
Yeah, right?
00:40:56
How much time did you waste?
00:40:57
300 people?
00:40:59
Yeah.
00:40:59
I love her.
00:41:04
The role of Jacob was also, well, first of all, Adrian Lyne was going to direct The Bonfire Vanities, which I've never heard of, but turned it down to direct Jacob's Ladder
00:41:19
and he was planning on casting Tom Hanks in Jacob's Ladder.
00:41:24
But Tom Hanks turned down Jacob's Ladder so that he could star in Bonfire Vanities.
00:41:29
Yep.
00:41:30
Kind of a-
00:41:32
Just missed each other.
00:41:33
Serendipitous.
00:41:36
Yeah.
00:41:38
But anyway, a bunch of other pretty notable actors were interested in the role of Jacob.
00:41:43
Richard Gere, Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino, and Mickey Rourke actually turned it down.
00:41:49
Can you imagine?
00:41:50
Mickey Rourke.
00:41:52
Me neither.
00:41:55
No thanks.
00:41:56
Sorry, Mickey.
00:41:56
Sorry Mickey.
00:41:59
Not on our watch.
00:42:02
Yeah, I really can't imagine this with anybody but Tim Robbins.
00:42:05
He did such a great job.
00:42:07
Big fan.
00:42:08
Robert Sean Leonard.
00:42:11
Exactly.
00:42:13
Hahaha
00:42:17
For all the chiropractor scenes.
00:42:19
There's weirdly a lot.
00:42:23
Finally, a movie for chiropractors, am I right ladies?
00:42:26
But Adrian Lyne ensured that there was a real chiropractor on set during all of the scenes.
00:42:32
And according to him, chiropractors have come up and thanked him for their portrayal in this movie.
00:42:40
Multiple times since it released, which I think is really funny.
00:42:44
What are your thoughts on chiropractorism?
00:42:47
Are we getting into it?
00:42:53
Okay, well, I'm biased.
00:42:54
have four chiropractors in my family.
00:42:57
So I have always grown up going to a chiropractor.
00:43:02
Well, not always.
00:43:03
I don't always go but like, I've gone since I was a child.
00:43:06
And I think it's a little bit interesting how people
00:43:11
have pinpointed that as well accidents can happen.
00:43:15
And it's like, yeah, but you don't say that surgeons aren't legitimate doctors just because they mess up a surgery.
00:43:22
So.
00:43:26
What are your thoughts?
00:43:27
Pro or anti -chiropractor?
00:43:30
I can't go into a chiropractor because I cannot stand the sound.
00:43:34
Yeah, of the crunching.
00:43:37
That's fair.
00:43:38
That's not really like a stance though.
00:43:41
That's like a personal-
00:43:42
yeah, no, my, my, I mean, I did go to the chiropractor once and they adjusted me while I had a ruptured disc.
00:43:51
That was terrible.
00:43:53
But I do think it's weird that people are like clinging to this idea that it's some sort of pseudoscience or like a lesser than
00:44:03
practice when I mean they go through the same education as any doctor does and I don't know.
00:44:10
have to go to medical school.
00:44:12
I can attest to that.
00:44:13
My family has gone to medical school.
00:44:17
Yeah.
00:44:19
Anyway, hot topic.
00:44:23
Tell us what you think of chiropractors in the comments below.
00:44:29
Yeah, I know I'm biased because like, you know, I have chiropractors who can tell me all about it.
00:44:38
Mm -hmm.
00:44:41
What else?
00:44:41
The final, like, screen of the movie mentions the testing of a drug that they call BZ.
00:44:49
Yeah.
00:44:51
Which is a NATO code for a hallucinogen, which was rumored to have been administrated to United States troops during the Vietnam War to increase their combat abilities, which is
00:45:03
exactly the inspiration of the film.
00:45:10
Scary.
00:45:11
That MK Ultra type shit.
00:45:14
What?
00:45:18
You don't know about MK Ultra?
00:45:20
No?
00:45:20
Okay.
00:45:24
I can't believe I'm the one who has to tell you about this.
00:45:28
It was a project that the CIA did.
00:45:31
It was basically like illegal human experiments.
00:45:35
And I'm pretty sure like the Unibombers from it or something like that.
00:45:38
It's like crazy.
00:45:41
The Unabomber is one of the people that was experimented on?
00:45:45
What the fuck?
00:45:46
part up.
00:45:52
Okay, he's an alleged member.
00:45:53
Ted Kaczynski, an American domestic terrorist known as the Unabomber was said to be a subject of a voluntary psychological study alleged by some sources to have been part of
00:46:01
MKUltra.
00:46:01
It sounds vaguely familiar, but...
00:46:04
Yeah, they've done like, they've like, talked about it in films and stuff like that.
00:46:08
Yeah no, it's real, it's like a real thing, I didn't make it up.
00:46:10
Yeah.
00:46:13
Yeah.
00:46:18
We're not allowed to experiment on animals, so what else are we gonna do?
00:46:20
I'm joking.
00:46:22
I'm joking.
00:46:28
No, but I like the fun fact that basically said that the reason that Jacob's not impacted by the drug, because everybody's like going crazy and killing each other and he's just
00:46:37
like scared, is because he's having frequent bowel movements.
00:46:43
That's how the movie starts.
00:46:44
He's taking a shit.
00:46:47
And apparently the ladder was administered through food.
00:46:50
So because he was passing it all and the other people weren't, they were impacted and he wasn't.
00:46:56
God, take your probiotics, folks.
00:47:01
Regular poop time.
00:47:02
poop.
00:47:04
So you don't kill your friends.
00:47:06
Mm -hmm.
00:47:08
Yeah.
00:47:08
Wow.
00:47:09
I'm gonna think about that every time I poop now.
00:47:10
You know what?
00:47:11
This is so good for me and Cassidy.
00:47:16
Are you gonna kill me?
00:47:19
No, because I'm gonna poop.
00:47:21
I'm pooping.
00:47:22
The next time you're constipated, I'm just like...
00:47:24
Hahaha
00:47:27
Locking my doors.
00:47:29
That bitch hasn't pooped.
00:47:31
She's coming for me.
00:47:42
Stupid!
00:47:45
Haha oh fuck.
00:47:48
Mmm.
00:47:52
Alright, do you have any other fun facts?
00:47:57
No, end of fun facts section.
00:48:01
We're done.
00:48:02
I have a lot more, but they're not that important.
00:48:05
okay.
00:48:06
I highlight all the important ones.
00:48:08
Yeah, yeah, All right, let's rate it.
00:48:11
All right, well, should we rate the new one first?
00:48:16
Up to you.
00:48:17
Remake first?
00:48:19
Okay.
00:48:20
Ones across the board.
00:48:22
It's, well, a 1 .5 sexy, but that doesn't influence anything else.
00:48:27
You gave it ones?
00:48:30
Okay, yeah.
00:48:32
didn't understand it.
00:48:33
I was like...
00:48:35
Why did they make it?
00:48:37
I don't know.
00:48:39
I almost wish that it was a standalone movie.
00:48:42
I might have given it higher.
00:48:45
You know what mean?
00:48:45
Like if it was just a movie by itself.
00:48:47
It wouldn't be the worst movie ever if it wasn't a remake of Jacob's Ladder.
00:48:52
Exactly.
00:48:53
it's not the worst movie ever, but it's really bad.
00:48:55
Yeah.
00:48:57
So, one's across the board.
00:48:59
Did you give anything different than one's across the board?
00:49:02
Okay.
00:49:02
Please.
00:49:03
gave it a four for scary and that, no, I'm kidding.
00:49:07
Can you fucking imagine?
00:49:08
A one for scary and a one for fucked up.
00:49:11
And then a 1 .5 for sexy, Jesse Williams.
00:49:15
And then a 1 .5 overall because I have seen a worse movie than this.
00:49:22
Well more than one movie can be a one.
00:49:25
I agree, but like I know what a one looks like.
00:49:28
You know what I mean?
00:49:29
And I did give it the .5 mainly because the acting itself like wasn't the worst thing ever of the two main guys.
00:49:36
Like they did well.
00:49:37
So I won't shit on it too hard.
00:49:40
But a 1 .5 is still may be my lowest rating.
00:49:44
Yeah.
00:49:46
I could not.
00:49:49
I couldn't watch it.
00:49:51
Yeah.
00:49:52
Yeah.
00:49:53
Absolutely.
00:49:55
Yeah, yeah, we should.
00:49:57
We hate Night Swim and I'd watch that before I watch this again.
00:50:00
What did we give Night Swim?
00:50:00
A two?
00:50:02
Or a one and a half?
00:50:04
I don't think we gave it a one.
00:50:05
I don't think I've done a one and a half yet.
00:50:08
I think my lowest scores have always been two.
00:50:11
I would take that back and give Night Swim a one and a half, but in hindsight, it was really bad.
00:50:18
But I would still rank it above this even though they're both one and a halves.
00:50:23
Because at least it was a little bit original.
00:50:25
All right, great.
00:50:27
Done.
00:50:28
For real rating.
00:50:29
how scary did you think Jacob's Ladder 1990 was?
00:50:34
Okay.
00:50:37
I can understand why people might think it's a little creepy, but like, it's just kind of fun.
00:50:43
Would you as well?
00:50:47
okay.
00:50:47
Which scenes spooked you?
00:50:51
Okay, yeah, like the vibe.
00:50:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:50:54
any of the jump scares got me.
00:50:56
I don't think.
00:50:58
Yeah.
00:50:59
It was just, it was just like a vibe and it's reminiscent of Silent Hill, which scared the absolute fuck out of me.
00:51:09
So.
00:51:09
true.
00:51:09
Gotta be at least a two.
00:51:11
That's, yeah, that's valid.
00:51:13
How sexy did you think it was?
00:51:15
Two and a half.
00:51:16
Wow, okay.
00:51:18
All my fantasies of Elizabeth Peña?
00:51:20
Yeah.
00:51:22
And tentacles.
00:51:24
Yeah.
00:51:24
I mean...
00:51:26
I mean...
00:51:29
Yep.
00:51:31
I gave it a two.
00:51:34
Cause yeah, you know.
00:51:35
The leads.
00:51:37
And the tentacles.
00:51:40
I got it.
00:51:42
Yeah.
00:51:43
Yeah.
00:51:45
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:51:48
A one.
00:51:50
Okay.
00:51:52
But I'm starting to feel like that's maybe not right.
00:51:55
Remember the scene with the leg at the beginning?
00:51:59
Yeah.
00:52:00
I'll give it a 1 .5.
00:52:02
Yeah, that feels better.
00:52:05
What about you?
00:52:08
Okay, yeah.
00:52:10
Just like the whole military testing on people thing is you don't see that very often, I guess, except in real life, apparently.
00:52:21
And...
00:52:23
Well, tomato, tomato, it's a government entity.
00:52:26
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:29
Yeah.
00:52:30
Yeah and NATO well I guess it wasn't NATO that was doing it but anyway yeah yeah between that and a couple of the scenes needle through the forehead which funny story- one time we
00:52:49
were all around the dinner table and I don't remember why but my mom was like prepping a syringe or something she's just like fucking around you know playing with it and doing
00:52:58
and the needle came off of the syringe and went in my dad's forehead right there, right in the same spot.
00:53:05
It didn't like go in or anything, it just kind of stuck there.
00:53:07
really funny.
00:53:08
It didn't hurt him, it was just kind of...
00:53:09
My god.
00:53:11
I hate that.
00:53:12
I wish I had it on video, it was so fucking funny.
00:53:14
Yeah, that would have been a good moment.
00:53:16
Yeah, but no, I did not like that scene at all.
00:53:18
The needle through the forehead.
00:53:19
The brain.
00:53:20
Yeah.
00:53:23
Anyway.
00:53:24
All right.
00:53:24
Overall, Jacob's Ladder.
00:53:27
I gave it a four.
00:53:28
I really liked it.
00:53:31
I really want to watch it again and appreciate it a little bit more now that I've seen the remake too.
00:53:36
I finished the remake sloggingly.
00:53:39
Sloggingly.
00:53:42
You had to slog.
00:53:45
Same.
00:53:46
I don't want to watch that again.
00:53:47
Yeah.
00:53:49
But no, I think, I think this is a really approachable horror movie.
00:53:55
I think you could recommend this to anyone.
00:53:58
Kind of like Sixth Sense where it's, I mean, yeah, it's a little gory, but not like otherworldly gory that makes people uncomfortable.
00:54:08
It's, you know, pretty...
00:54:10
attainable goriness, I guess?
00:54:12
Yeah.
00:54:13
And I mean, it was listed on several, like, top 400 movies you should watch before you die, top 1000 movies before you...
00:54:20
Like, I definitely agree with that.
00:54:22
It's got...
00:54:24
I know.
00:54:25
Not off of all the lists, but one of them.
00:54:29
I do think it's approachable and everybody could watch it, and that's what we're here for.
00:54:35
We're here to make a horror fan out of me.
00:54:38
That's already happened.
00:54:39
That ship has sailed.
00:54:39
But I think this is a good gateway horror movie.
00:54:42
For sure.
00:54:43
Fair.
00:54:43
This could be like a gateway to like your first kind of like a little bit surrealist horror, you know?
00:54:51
like watch Sixth Sense, then watch this.
00:54:56
See, I say watch this before Sixth Sense.
00:54:59
Yeah.
00:55:01
This has a little bit more like tentacle.
00:55:03
hasn't seen Sixth Sense.
00:55:06
Yeah, okay, true.
00:55:07
No, I just cause like plot devices used.
00:55:10
You know what I mean?
00:55:12
Like Sixth Sense is like the end all be all of like twist endings.
00:55:16
You know what I mean?
00:55:17
Is that an M.
00:55:18
Night movie?
00:55:18
Yeah.
00:55:18
That's THE M.
00:55:20
Night movie.
00:55:22
That and Signs.
00:55:23
An M.
00:55:25
Night movie?
00:55:26
No.
00:55:27
No.
00:55:28
Just because it has a twist?
00:55:29
No.
00:55:29
The rest of the style of the movie?
00:55:31
Absolutely not.
00:55:33
Well, I mean, that's what I mean is the twist.
00:55:35
That's what I mean.
00:55:36
It's like an M.
00:55:37
Night twist.
00:55:38
make the movie.
00:55:40
Well..
00:55:41
Like I would never watch this movie and be like, this feels like an M.
00:55:43
Night Shyamalan movie.
00:55:45
It does not.
00:55:47
I kind of got that vibe.
00:55:48
No, no.
00:55:49
Sorry.
00:55:50
It's alright.
00:55:52
I've only seen like three of his movies so
00:55:54
Great.
00:55:57
What did you give it?
00:55:58
Okay.
00:56:01
I thought I asked that already.
00:56:02
You didn't.
00:56:05
I gave it a 3 .5.
00:56:07
Pretty close.
00:56:08
Yeah.
00:56:09
I do, I think this movie's great.
00:56:10
And I would also include it in a list of like horror movies that everybody should see.
00:56:16
I think it's fun.
00:56:17
I think it's way fucking better than the remake.
00:56:20
Jesus Christ.
00:56:22
But Tim Robbins is amazing.
00:56:25
The special effects, I feel like hold up.
00:56:26
They still look good for being practical in the 90s.
00:56:31
I do like that it's a little bit surrealist and like what the fuck is happening type of thing.
00:56:38
I think the only reason it's not a little bit higher is because...
00:56:43
I guess the whole Purgatory, Angels, and Demons thing just isn't a storyline that super appeals to me very much.
00:56:50
So I feel like I was much more interested in the being drugged storyline and getting to the bottom of it and stuff like that.
00:56:57
And that's kind of abandoned a little bit.
00:57:00
As soon as George Costanza says no, that's not really a thing anymore.
00:57:03
It's kind of more focused on his journey through Purgatory.
00:57:08
So I think that's my only thing, that it's not a little bit higher because of that.
00:57:12
But it's still a solid fucking movie.
00:57:14
I love this movie.
00:57:15
I think everybody should watch it.
00:57:16
It's a great film.
00:57:19
Great performance by Tim Robbins.
00:57:20
Big fan.
00:57:21
-hmm.
00:57:22
Who is a comedian, by the way?
00:57:26
Just not the one you were thinking of.
00:57:29
Yeah, but you call me crazy like, he...
00:57:31
Because I knew who you were thinking!
00:57:33
Hahaha!
00:57:36
That you were thinking of Tim Robbinson.
00:57:38
I was like, no, he's not.
00:57:41
But also he's not like a, I don't, has he ever done like comedy shows?
00:57:44
He's been in comedy movies.
00:57:46
Tim Robbins.
00:57:50
Yeah, he's not like a comedian.
00:57:51
He's just a comedic actor.
00:57:53
I guess is how I would.
00:57:54
Okay.
00:57:55
Would you survive?
00:57:55
I mean, no, I don't think so because the whole movie is about you dying.
00:58:02
It's the process of dying.
00:58:04
Got it.
00:58:06
So if I lived there wouldn't have been a movie.
00:58:10
Or I guess maybe I could have come out of it and been like, I went down the stairs.
00:58:16
I think that's hell.
00:58:18
I stayed at the middle of the stairs.
00:58:22
Fuck!
00:58:23
So you just -
00:58:25
There is a way to live this movie.
00:58:27
There's a way to survive.
00:58:30
Yeah, but you already said you would.
00:58:32
I would.
00:58:33
Bye!
00:58:34
Yeah, I'm dead.
00:58:35
But I'm also a woman in the Vietnam War era.
00:58:39
They wouldn't let me in the military.
00:58:43
So I did live.
00:58:46
Okay, good, I lived.
00:58:47
it, yeah.
00:58:48
You weren't allowed to enlist.
00:58:52
And I wouldn't have, so I live.
00:58:55
Yeah, as respectfully as possible, I would never enlist in the military.
00:59:01
That is not for me at all.
00:59:02
No.
00:59:04
Well good, we live.
00:59:04
I thought I was really dead, but you're right.
00:59:08
Yeah, I think you put yourself in the situation, the Vietnam War is happening, do you enlist?
00:59:14
And we can't.
00:59:14
Hahaha
00:59:15
Well, what's next week?
00:59:18
did it.
00:59:18
Next week is actually a mini -series that you've already seen and I've already started, so we're not going to predict it because we're already in the thick of it.
00:59:30
Yes, we're doing another Mike Flanagan mini -series The Fall of the H -
00:59:36
Sorry, sorry.
00:59:38
I'm really excited.
00:59:41
Yes, his newest one, The Fall of the House of Usher.
00:59:43
Hooray!
00:59:45
We love the flan - the Flanaverse.
00:59:47
Flaniverse?
00:59:48
Yeah.
00:59:49
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:50
I'm excited to finish it.
00:59:52
I'm enjoying it so far, so...
00:59:53
Well, no, I'm not.
00:59:56
I'm coy about it.
00:59:57
I don't know.
00:59:57
I don't know what I think yet.
00:59:58
Yeah.
00:59:59
You're not supposed to know.
01:00:01
What episode are you on?
01:00:06
Three, I think.
01:00:07
Who's the like, is it like following somebody or?
01:00:11
A yes?
01:00:13
I started it like halfway through an episode.
01:00:15
Or I stopped it halfway through an episode.
01:00:17
Yeah, okay.
01:00:19
I think it was.
01:00:20
It was Camille?
01:00:22
Okay.
01:00:23
I'm gonna watch it again.
01:00:25
I love that.
01:00:25
I'm gonna binge the rest of it this weekend while I clean, but yeah, yeah.
01:00:34
Okay, well I'm excited.
01:00:35
I'm looking forward to it.
01:00:35
Last of the Flanaverse.
01:00:38
Last, well not the last for us maybe, because we haven't done other ones of his, but the newest of the Flanaverse.
01:00:44
No, it's the last one.
01:00:45
We've seen all of them now.
01:00:47
No.
01:00:49
There's only three.
01:00:49
No.
01:00:51
How many are there?
01:00:52
How many are there?
01:00:58
Technically five?
01:01:01
There's Haunting of Hill House, Midnight Mass, which we've already seen.
01:01:05
Fall of the House of Usher, Bly Manor, which you know that, you are still claiming it's the last one.
01:01:12
Bly Manor, and then I think technically Midnight Club is now a miniseries because it didn't get renewed for a second season.
01:01:19
So we could watch that if we want.
01:01:22
I thought this was our last one.
01:01:23
No, you just decided that in your own head.
01:01:26
Yeah, I did.
01:01:26
I forgot all about Bly Manor.
01:01:28
I don't even know what the fucking Midnight Club is.
01:01:32
OK.
01:01:34
Sorry.
01:01:34
I guess.
01:01:37
Well, he lost his contract or he didn't renegotiate his contract with Netflix, so now he's on Amazon.
01:01:44
Yeah, so that's why Midnight Club, I think.
01:01:47
Only had the one season.
01:01:48
Yeah, because he had just signed on with Amazon instead, I think.
01:01:54
Yeah.
01:01:56
Well shit, I interrupted you excited about it being the last one for nothing.
01:02:01
I thought you meant like the last one he did.
01:02:04
Which I was like, yeah, like it's the most recent one.
01:02:07
No.
01:02:08
I thought we were done watching them.
01:02:09
I totally forgot about Bly Manor.
01:02:11
Oh, I mean like we can be, we don't have to keep watching them.
01:02:14
Okay.
01:02:15
Okay.
01:02:15
I can't tell you how many people I've told that I've watched all of the Flanaverse now.
01:02:19
I finished watching the Flanaverse!
01:02:21
You haven't even watched all of his movies though, which some of them like...
01:02:25
There's movies?
01:02:27
Yeah!
01:02:32
I thought it was three shows and that's it.
01:02:35
No, he's done movies.
01:02:39
I mean, technically, like, I think there's not references to the other ones in all of them.
01:02:43
But like we talked about one of them, Hush, the movie, where she's writing Midnight Mass.
01:02:47
Like she's an author in the movie writing Midnight Mass.
01:02:50
We talked about that during Midnight Mass.
01:02:52
But yeah, he's done Absentia, he's done Oculus, he's done Hush, he's done Before I Wake, he's done Ouija: Origin of Evil, he's done Gerald's Game and Doctor Sleep.
01:03:00
Gerald's Game and Doctor Sleep are both...
01:03:03
Doctor Sleep's a...
01:03:04
sequel.
01:03:06
Yeah.
01:03:07
they're both King adaptations.
01:03:09
So Doctor Sleep is the sequel to...
01:03:13
No, that's why I said only one of the movies is, I think, referencing Hush, yeah.
01:03:20
But I don't, yeah, I guess I don't know if it's all part of the Flanaverse or not, you know what I mean?
01:03:27
Where does the Flanaverse end and where does it...
01:03:29
begin.
01:03:31
Well...
01:03:32
my god.
01:03:32
Tune in next week to find out.
01:03:35
Tune in next week for a Flanaverse deep dive.
01:03:39
Honestly, we could use it.
01:03:42
I'll make a PowerPoint.
01:03:44
Perfect.
01:03:47
All right, cool.
01:03:50
Well, thank you for listening.
01:03:52
This was fun.
01:03:53
I'm so happy I got to watch the remake so that I never have to watch it again.
01:04:00
And yeah, let us know in the comments everything about you.
01:04:05
Name, phone number, address, social security number.
01:04:09
Thoughts about chiropractors.
01:04:11
Yeah.
01:04:12
That's the least important thing.
01:04:14
And everything you know about the Flanaverse.
01:04:17
Yeah, that would be helpful for my PowerPoint.
01:04:21
All right, we'll see you next week.
01:04:25
We'll see you then.
01:04:26
Bye.
01:04:27
Bye.