Katherine Isabelle (Ginger Snaps) teams up with the Soska sisters on American Mary, a body horror cult classic film about a debt-ridden med school student who drops out to pursue a lucrative career of underground body modification surgery.
Plus,Cassidy takes a STAB at guessing horror movies by their iconic screams! Play along and tell us your score in the comments below!
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In this episode, kd guesses the plot of Jacob’s Ladder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJztRnDxdM8
Tune in next week for our review of the original and the 2019 remake!
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Yeah, tell us your scores in the comments.
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Engagement farming.
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Okay, we're going to play a game.
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You're going to guess the horror movie from the iconic scream.
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I knew it.
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In that movie.
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I knew it.
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We were testing this ahead of time, and I told her if it's too loud, she's going to have a bad time.
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So that's probably.
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Yeah, I figured.
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I thought it was my guess was going to be guess the final girl scream, but that's it's so hard.
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I feel like so yeah, I'm actually nervous.
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I don't know how well I'm going to do with this.
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I feel like they're pretty.
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I left enough.
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It's not like.
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Just a scream.
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It's not just a scream.
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Like you can kind of hear the background stuff to you.
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Sex.
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And I feel like they're all pretty iconic, except maybe I think you'll have a hard time with two of them.
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That's making it worse if I get them wrong.
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Like, no, they're so easy.
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Okay, let's let's try this.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Are you ready?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Here comes scream number one.
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Okay.
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You're not going to believe this.
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It was too quiet.
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I know it was really long, but it kept going.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know.
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It kept going.
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Shoot.
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Well, the good news is that actually that was scream number two.
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Oh, great.
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Okay.
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So we fucked up anyway.
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Yeah.
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What if I just do it here?
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Okay.
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Ready?
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Okay, here it comes.
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Was that the whole thing?
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That was the whole thing.
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Oh, that sounded way shorter this time.
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Yeah, because I did number one.
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Oh, okay.
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Sorry.
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Was that Halloween?
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It is Halloween.
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Okay.
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Nailed it.
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Yes.
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This is easy.
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This is easy.
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That is better though.
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This is the one that you heard.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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The like 30 second scream.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's not 30 seconds.
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It's 12 seconds.
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But I gave you a little extra time on this one because it's kind of a hard one.
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Oh, no.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Ready?
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Yes.
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That was so much screaming.
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Yeah.
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And try to give you a little background noise too.
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Yeah.
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It was like banging or like lightning or.
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Lightning.
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Lightning.
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Okay.
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That could be helpful here.
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It sounded older.
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No.
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Oh, okay.
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It's older.
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But.
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Older.
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But not that old.
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I have no idea.
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I'll give you another hint.
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It's a mother screaming.
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A mother.
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She has, she has found her dead daughter.
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My God.
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It's scream.
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It's scream.
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Oh, no.
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I didn't want to do Drew Barrymore because it was, that would have been too.
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That would have been too obvious.
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Yeah.
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I would have gotten that one.
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Yeah.
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You would have gotten that one.
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There's lighting in that scene.
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Yeah.
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That like threw me off because I don't remember.
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Sorry.
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No, no, no.
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It's not your fault.
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I just don't remember that being there, but yeah, that does make sense because it kind
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of sounds like the like opening too.
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And it's like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Damn.
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That's, that's regrettable.
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Okay.
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Next one.
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Ready?
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Mm hmm.
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This is visually one of the most iconic screams ever.
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Oh, X.
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X.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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That's Jenna Ortega.
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Okay.
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Ready?
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Yeah.
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Number four.
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Really?
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Who started with that one?
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That's Psycho.
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It is very much Psycho.
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Yeah.
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That one feels like a number one starter.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if I had I done them in order of.
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Easy to hard.
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Easy to hard.
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Yeah.
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That would have been number one.
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Okay.
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I think you'll get this one pretty easy.
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Don't say that.
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You're putting more pressure on me.
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No, it's, it's pretty recognizable.
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Okay.
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Ready?
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Yeah.
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Oh, it's Midsummer.
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It started off really, really quiet so I couldn't hear it.
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And I was like.
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Weird.
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I know the volume.
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We're having issues with the volumes, but it's okay.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's the wailing scene for Midsummer.
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It is the wailing scene.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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W-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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Okay.
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Next one.
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Very iconic.
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Okay.
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There's so much happening.
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Think about what else you're hearing beside the screen.
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It sounds like things are being thrown.
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Things are being chopped with an axe.
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Oh my god, it's the Shining.
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It's the Shining.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Shelley Duvall.
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Shelley Duvall.
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Icon.
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Rest in peace, by the way.
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Yeah.
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She died not that long ago.
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Okay.
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Next up, I had some men, too.
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Ew!
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Not just women.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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I mean, yeah, but it's fun.
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Okay.
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I like it.
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Here we go.
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It just keeps going.
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That's so long!
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That wasn't even the scream, either.
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Why?
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I don't know!
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It sounded like it was falling.
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Is this a victim or is this a killer?
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He's the victim, but he's doing the killing.
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Oh!
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He's hunting something.
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Oh my god, is it from Predator?
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Yeah!
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It's Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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It's Arnold, yep.
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Yeah, okay, yeah, it's all coming together.
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Yes.
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Yeah, that was not the whole scream, either.
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I didn't put any of the reverberation, none of that.
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I liked that one.
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Good.
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Next one.
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Oh god, okay.
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This one's my favorite.
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Oh no!
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It's Tusk!
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It's Tusk.
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I hate that I got that one the fastest.
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You did!
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First whale!
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That's fucking Justin Lohan Tusk!
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I was gonna like to see it, but it's so cute!
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I was gonna like to see it, but it's so cute!
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I like it.
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It's so cute!
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When's the last time you did it?
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Do you need help?
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When's the last time you did it?
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I don't know.
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Oh wait, I have to go to the bathroom.
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I love this.
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I love this.
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That was so lame.
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I love this.
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That was so lame.
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I hate it.
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Oh god.
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Oh god.
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I was gonna leave it when he's like,
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Boris is don't cry or whatever.
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But that was way too obvious.
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Yeah, no, it was it was perfect as is.
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Well, good job. You didn't do terrible.
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I didn't.
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It was harder than I thought it was going to be though.
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That's that's tough.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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There's a lot of horror movies out there.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of screams.
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So many screams.
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Yeah, I like that though.
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That was fun.
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Thank you for putting that together.
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Oh my god, you're so welcome.
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Well, should we talk about what we're here to talk about?
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No, let's just end it there, right?
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No, that was fun.
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Yes, we are.
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We're here to talk about American Mary.
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American Mary is a 2012 Canadian body horror about a medical student named Mary who,
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desperate for a paycheck, begins taking patients for intense body modification surgeries and finds
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herself teetering between villain and victim.
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It was directed by twins Jen and Sylvia Soska and stars Catherine Isabel as Mary.
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We know Catherine from Ginger Snaps.
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It has a 6.2 out of 10 on IMDB, a 46% on Metacritic, and a 62% critics and 53% audience score on
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Rotten Tomatoes.
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Yeah.
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American Mary.
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American Mary, the most American of all of the Marys.
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It wasn't originally going to be called that.
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They were going to call it Bloody Mary, which makes sense.
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It's referenced in the film, but they wanted to kind of avoid people associating it with
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a Bloody Mary and then have it not be about that and also other movies that had already
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come out called Bloody Mary.
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So they went with American Mary.
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Which has nothing to do with the plot at all.
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See, I kind of disagree.
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Okay.
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I think it's like very core American to have to go to extreme routes to make money because
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you can't afford to live in this country.
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So I find it very American.
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That's absolutely fair.
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I didn't think about it that way.
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Yeah.
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I guess that's where my mind went when I watched it, especially like on the rewatch,
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because it's been a long time since I've actually seen this movie.
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So yeah, that's what I thought when I saw it.
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That makes sense.
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I get that America is not like a core theme in it, but struggling financially is very
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American in my opinion.
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Yeah, no, that's so true.
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And it's set in Seattle again.
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This is our third Seattle movie in a month.
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Is it really?
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Yeah.
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Fresh, long legs, and this.
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Okay.
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Well, those were both last month.
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So well, within a month.
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That's true.
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In my defense, though, I didn't know.
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No, fresh was Portland.
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It was Oregon.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, Pacific Northwest.
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Yeah.
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And I didn't know that long legs took place there.
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So I shan't be responsible for this.
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Okay.
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But yeah, lots of spooky things happening in the PNW.
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Yeah.
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She gets weird up there.
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Good.
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I like that.
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That's Portland's whole thing.
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Stay weird.
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Oh yeah, that's true.
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That's what they say.
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And they do.
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Yeah.
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But why do they?
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They do stay weird.
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But yeah, this was written.
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The main role was written with Catherine Isabel in mind for the lead because they already knew
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each other.
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They were extras on what was the movie?
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I have it written down.
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Josie and the Pussycats, 2001.
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Fun fact, I had that movie on VHS and I wore it out.
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I loved that movie so fucking much.
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Oh my God, iconic.
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Yeah.
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I was a big fan of that movie for some reason.
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I still haven't seen it.
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Wait, really?
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I thought it was a band, Josie and the Pussycats.
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Well, it is.
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So Josie and the Pussycats is from the Archie comics and they were the band in that.
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But then they made a movie about them.
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I think they had their own comic series as well.
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They were in that universe and then they made the movie to bring it to life.
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And it's so early 2000s.
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Oh God.
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It's incredible.
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Parker Posey's in it.
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Being very Parker Posey.
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Parker Posey's under some fire right now.
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That's true.
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I can't.
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Yeah, I came back from vacation to see.
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Everybody hates Blake and Ryan now.
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Parker Posey's getting thrown in there.
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A lot of drama.
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It was about time for that reckoning.
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It was only a matter of time.
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I thought you liked them.
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I do, but now I mean I did.
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So did everybody else.
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Oh, the turntables.
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Yep.
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Oh yeah, that's unfortunate.
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Anyway, okay, I'll add that to my list.
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Yeah, let's watch it together and hold hands.
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Okay.
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That's like a sleepover type of movie.
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Yeah, oh we're having a sleepover soon.
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We are.
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20 days.
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We'll make everybody else sleep on the mattresses on the living room
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and then we'll hold hands in my room and watch Joseph and the rest of us.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, fuck all you guys.
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I'm just kidding.
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I can just picture them now like knocking like, can we come in?
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A cupado.
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Yeah, I love that Catherine Isabella is very committed to the bit.
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She full-on went to medical school to prep for this role.
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Like learned how to suit her turkeys together.
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She was very committed.
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Yeah, I love that.
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Yeah, me too.
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For a movie that wasn't even going to be released in theaters.
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Yeah, she's just like, hey, why not?
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Yeah, she's definitely like the best part of this movie, I think.
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Not like there's, I'm not like shitting on the movie.
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I'm just saying like she's fantastic in it.
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I'm a big fan of her though.
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Yeah, I like her and I like Lance.
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Yeah.
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I love Lance.
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The actor who plays him, I forget his name, that's very rude of me.
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Twan Holiday.
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Yes, Twan Holiday is a singer in a metal band, like a screamo band.
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He was a professional wrestler in Canada.
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Does a bunch of acting.
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He's like all over the place.
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He's like Canadian The Rock.
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He's just doing it.
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Yeah.
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Canadian The Rock.
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I love that.
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And I really loved his character in this.
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One of my favorite characters in horror, I think.
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I really loved him.
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I love that.
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Yeah.
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Titties and shrimp, baby.
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Best line in the movie.
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That is my favorite line in this movie and I would like a t-shirt that says titties and shrimp.
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Yeah, honestly.
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Someone who makes t-shirts out there, get on it because you have two customers.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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No, this movie definitely has like a cult following.
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So I feel like he could make a pretty penny off of that.
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Maybe we will.
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Maybe that'll be our first perch.
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Titties and shrimp.
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Absolutely.
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Done and done.
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You mentioned that we know Catherine Isabel from Ginger Snaps, which we do.
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And we'll also see her many more times throughout this, I'm sure.
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She's been in a lot of horror movies.
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So definitely a scream queen, not the last.
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And she's in Hannibal.
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She is, yeah.
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I haven't seen her yet because I've only seen the first season.
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But yeah, she is in the show Hannibal, not the movie.
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Yeah, she was actually asked about being in this movie and
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playing basically like feminist characters in horror.
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And they asked her about Ginger too.
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And she said, yeah, I'm really blessed to have been given those two roles.
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She said when she was making Ginger Snaps, she was only 17.
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And she didn't really know what she was doing.
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But she likes to think that if Ginger didn't become a werewolf,
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that she would have become into a Mary type of character.
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I love that.
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She's like, maybe that would have been what happened to her.
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Yeah.
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I like that.
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Super cute.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we know what happens to her after Ginger Snaps.
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There's like three more movies.
00:17:55
Well, yeah.
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I think one's a sequel, one's a prequel.
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So it's not.
00:18:01
Yeah.
00:18:02
But also she's a werewolf.
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So I think she meant more like if she didn't become a werewolf.
00:18:08
Okay.
00:18:09
Yeah.
00:18:09
But funny enough, Sylvia Soska then said that her and Jen were called the
00:18:16
Fitzgerald twins or sisters when they were younger because they were like
00:18:20
into like weird dark stuff.
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Dark stuff.
00:18:23
Oh.
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And that's from Ginger Snaps, the Fitzgerald sisters.
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So that's fun.
00:18:30
I...
00:18:31
No hate at all to Jen and Sylvia.
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I think they should stay behind the camera.
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They did a good job.
00:18:40
Well, no.
00:18:41
Oh, they didn't.
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Well, I was going to say they did a good job behind the camera, but that's a stretch.
00:18:49
I like them.
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I think they're adorable and I love watching interviews about them.
00:18:54
But it seems to be their MO to put themselves in their movies.
00:18:57
Yeah.
00:18:58
And I don't think that was necessary.
00:19:01
Yeah.
00:19:02
I think a lot of the times director cameos are really necessary.
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Because a lot of directors aren't that good of actors.
00:19:11
Respectfully, they are not great actors.
00:19:16
Also, respectfully, the acting in this film overall is very uneven.
00:19:21
There are some great performances and there's a lot of not great performances.
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And that's something I've come to accept.
00:19:32
You know, something that really struck me is the voice acting.
00:19:39
Oh.
00:19:40
Like whenever somebody's on the phone or on the like call box.
00:19:44
Yeah.
00:19:45
Call box.
00:19:46
Yeah.
00:19:46
Those were all terrible.
00:19:48
Yeah.
00:19:49
Sounded awful.
00:19:51
I was like, oh my god.
00:19:54
Yeah, it was very strange.
00:19:56
Yeah, it's not the best acting I've ever seen in a horror movie.
00:20:00
Yeah.
00:20:01
Which again is kind of why Catherine Isabel stands out so much because I think she does a great job.
00:20:06
She does, yes.
00:20:08
She's incredible.
00:20:09
Yeah.
00:20:09
The entire movie was shot in 15 days.
00:20:13
I love that.
00:20:14
Not a lot of days.
00:20:16
No.
00:20:17
And honestly, not that surprising.
00:20:21
It doesn't not look like every shot in 15 days.
00:20:26
Yeah.
00:20:28
Yeah.
00:20:29
You know what?
00:20:29
We can just say right here, right now, this is not the most well-made film ever.
00:20:36
But that's why people love it.
00:20:37
So it doesn't matter.
00:20:38
Yeah.
00:20:39
I mean, it kind of matters, but like not in the grand scheme of things.
00:20:42
You know what I mean?
00:20:42
I think a lot of people love this movie despite its flaws or maybe in spite of its flaws.
00:20:49
I think sometimes the flaws of a movie can make it a little bit more fun.
00:20:55
I'll say, like Saw, when they're shaking that car and pretending there's a chase scene,
00:20:59
I fucking love that scene.
00:21:01
That's so funny to me.
00:21:02
Like that adds to the charm.
00:21:04
So I get it.
00:21:07
Yeah, that's Thanksgiving for me.
00:21:09
All of Thanksgiving is a fucking train wreck, but that's what makes it amazing.
00:21:12
It's a perfect film.
00:21:13
Yeah.
00:21:14
Yeah.
00:21:15
Or like The Room.
00:21:17
I still haven't seen The Room.
00:21:18
Oh my god, Katie.
00:21:20
I know, we need to.
00:21:21
You're tearing me apart, Lisa.
00:21:26
See, you'd get that if you'd see it.
00:21:28
I'd get to go, but I haven't.
00:21:29
Oh my god, it's so...
00:21:31
Oh, it's so fucking bad.
00:21:32
It's so good.
00:21:36
But yes, there's an art to making that movie.
00:21:38
Totally.
00:21:41
Give the practical effects fact so I can segue into my next thing.
00:21:47
Oh, I love how you knew that I had that.
00:21:49
Yeah.
00:21:50
Well, I knew you liked talking about it.
00:21:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:21:52
I just really love practical effects.
00:21:56
All of the special effects in this movie were done practically.
00:21:58
There is no CGI, no like post visual effects done at all.
00:22:04
And I thought like overall it looked pretty good for doing that.
00:22:08
Yeah, the only place I didn't like it was the seams of moulage.
00:22:15
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
00:22:16
They did not blend.
00:22:18
Not always, no.
00:22:19
No.
00:22:20
Like the boobs in the first surgery, the doll surgery.
00:22:26
Oh, I was like on the bottom?
00:22:29
Yeah, where like the breast is attaching to the rib cage.
00:22:32
So I was taking those as scars from previous surgeries.
00:22:37
Okay, well I didn't like that at all.
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Because they were like pronounced almost.
00:22:42
Okay.
00:22:43
So that's how I saw that because they were on her rib cage.
00:22:46
Like I was assuming she took out a rib to make her waist smaller
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and that she had a breast enhancement.
00:22:51
Okay.
00:22:52
So that's how I took those parts.
00:22:55
That is probably correct, but it still looked like glue.
00:23:00
Fair.
00:23:01
It's still not passing as scars.
00:23:08
Yeah, I wasn't.
00:23:10
And then where the like hooked skin.
00:23:14
I was waiting for you to say that because that's where I noticed it the most.
00:23:18
Was the, yeah, in his back you could tell where the like patches were that were fake.
00:23:23
Yeah.
00:23:25
Which by the way-
00:23:26
But I'm willing to forgive it.
00:23:27
Oh, okay, good.
00:23:28
I just really like practical effects.
00:23:30
I'd rather see that than see like bad CGI.
00:23:32
Yeah, no totally.
00:23:34
And I don't know that some of the stuff could have been done with CGI as effectively, but-
00:23:40
No, I think it always looks better when it's practical and then enhancing a little bit with in post.
00:23:47
Yeah.
00:23:48
That's fine to see.
00:23:48
Just like smooth it out a little.
00:23:50
Yeah, just do a little bit of enhancements.
00:23:55
I like that.
00:23:56
Yeah.
00:23:56
Yeah, but they did this movie on like a shoestring budget.
00:24:00
So yeah, they I'll forgive it for that because they didn't really have a lot to to work with there.
00:24:08
Yeah.
00:24:10
Speaking of Dr. Grant.
00:24:12
Yes.
00:24:13
His name is Alan.
00:24:13
Alan Grant.
00:24:15
Yes.
00:24:15
Dr. Alan Grant.
00:24:18
Okay.
00:24:20
Know of any other Dr. Alan Grant's?
00:24:23
Do do should I?
00:24:24
Yeah. I'm not Googling it right now.
00:24:28
You're Googling it.
00:24:29
It's the main character from Jurassic Park.
00:24:31
I'm not.
00:24:33
Literally the main character from Jurassic Park.
00:24:36
Is that really his name?
00:24:38
Yes.
00:24:39
That's actually really funny.
00:24:41
Do you think they just hate Sam Neill?
00:24:43
Yeah, what the hell?
00:24:45
What did he ever do to anybody?
00:24:46
I didn't even realize that.
00:24:47
I didn't know. I don't think I ever heard his name being Alan in the movie.
00:24:56
Maybe I just missed it.
00:24:57
But yeah, I remember his first name is Alan and he's a doctor.
00:25:00
So Dr. Alan Grant.
00:25:02
Yeah, I feel like maybe they mentioned it like one off or something.
00:25:06
They must have.
00:25:07
Interesting.
00:25:07
Very original.
00:25:09
Either they really like Jurassic Park or they really hate it.
00:25:12
Or worse, maybe it was a complete accident.
00:25:18
Yeah, maybe they're like me and they're just like, yeah, Alan Grant is like a great name.
00:25:21
Yeah.
00:25:23
Yeah.
00:25:24
Yeah.
00:25:26
That guy sucked.
00:25:28
Hated him.
00:25:29
Yeah, he was the worst for sure.
00:25:31
He deserved to be Patrick Starr.
00:25:33
Sorry, Patrick.
00:25:35
Yeah, that's an insult to Patrick Starr.
00:25:37
Yeah.
00:25:39
He did.
00:25:40
He did. Yeah, we could talk about that a little bit.
00:25:46
Because I think there's like a genre of horror that revolves around essay and then the revenge
00:25:53
that women get for that.
00:25:56
And I don't mind the genre.
00:26:00
I just, I need the revenge to be greater than what they go through, right?
00:26:10
I won't name any names, but when you have a 20 minute essay scene, that's too, that's,
00:26:17
that's no, that's not for me.
00:26:22
And there is a movie that does that.
00:26:24
So like that to me is just excessive and it's unneeded.
00:26:27
And then I feel like the revenge never is as gratifying.
00:26:34
So I always need that to be worse and typically longer than whatever we see.
00:26:42
So I appreciate it in this film that I do feel like it was a righteous revenge.
00:26:49
Yeah, I don't think anybody felt bad for that guy.
00:26:53
And he goes through hell for like half the movie.
00:26:55
So I'll take it.
00:26:57
And then also the sisters kind of talked about filming that scene because they were very
00:27:01
careful.
00:27:02
They didn't want it to be shown in a way that's like gratifying for men.
00:27:05
I guess they were told, I don't know if it was like producers or someone, but they said
00:27:10
that they were told that they needed to show Catherine Isbell's breasts at one point during
00:27:16
the scene.
00:27:17
And they were like, absolutely not.
00:27:18
No, we're not doing that.
00:27:21
So I really appreciate them for doing that as well.
00:27:23
Because A, they didn't want it to be seen through a lens that's like sexualized or like
00:27:30
hot, I guess.
00:27:32
Which is gross.
00:27:34
And also they didn't want people to talk about that scene because she was naked in it.
00:27:38
You know, so I can appreciate that.
00:27:42
Definitely.
00:27:43
I still felt like that scene was a little gratuitous.
00:27:47
Yeah, it was a little too long, personally.
00:27:50
And they kind of spoke on that too.
00:27:52
Which I can also understand.
00:27:54
They had said when you're going through that in real life, you don't get to cut to black.
00:27:59
And that's why they wanted to like focus on her and her face throughout it.
00:28:04
But yeah, it is, it's hard to watch for sure.
00:28:07
Yeah, I would have preferred, it was kind of cut funny with her going into his office and
00:28:14
throwing all of his shit on the floor.
00:28:16
I would have preferred 60 seconds less of the actual essay scene and 60 seconds more of her
00:28:21
destroying his office.
00:28:23
Yeah, that's fair.
00:28:24
That would have been more enjoyable.
00:28:26
But I guess to their point, it's not supposed to be an enjoyable scene.
00:28:29
Yeah, absolutely.
00:28:33
Yeah.
00:28:35
My favorite fun fact, total topic change.
00:28:39
That's okay, we need a lighter note.
00:28:40
The Ave Maria.
00:28:46
Oh, yeah.
00:28:47
Which translates to Hail Mary, which is cute.
00:28:51
They play it three different times during the movie and three different versions.
00:28:56
When they play it in the beginning, it's a very amateur skill level recording.
00:29:02
That's, you know, while Mary is learning and she's, you know, searching her turkey or whatever.
00:29:06
And then the other two times they play it, it's increasing in difficulty until obviously
00:29:11
the last time they play it is a very professional recording during Mary kind of dying.
00:29:17
Yeah.
00:29:19
Rip.
00:29:21
And spoiler alert.
00:29:22
Yeah.
00:29:23
Well, if you made it this far.
00:29:29
Yeah, I like that.
00:29:31
I appreciate it when they use music in a storytelling type of way.
00:29:35
Yeah, absolutely.
00:29:36
You want to know one of my fun facts?
00:29:39
Yes.
00:29:40
One of my favorite ones.
00:29:44
So the Soska sisters were asked if they felt that they made a feminist film.
00:29:49
This interview was in 2013, by the way, just to give you a timing of what things were relevant back then.
00:29:59
What things were relevant in 2013?
00:30:02
You're about to find out.
00:30:03
They said yes, and that they were saddened to see that people were talking about the Twilight series as if it was a feminist story.
00:30:17
I thought that was funny because, you know, you love Twilight.
00:30:20
I do.
00:30:21
I don't think it's a feminist story though.
00:30:23
No, I would hope not.
00:30:27
But then they said, direct quote,
00:30:30
The writer of Twilight said that she was a big fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which just blew my mind because this is a very self-assertive woman who's in charge of her own destiny with some guys in the background.
00:30:41
And I thought that was a funny quote because you love Twilight and I love Buffy.
00:30:46
Yeah.
00:30:48
And so true.
00:30:50
Yeah.
00:30:52
Which is crazy because Joss Whedon sucks.
00:30:56
I hate that guy.
00:30:57
Yeah, he's the worst. It's still mind-boggling to me that he wrote Buffy.
00:31:02
But then it all kind of makes sense.
00:31:03
You'll understand this once you watch Buffy.
00:31:05
But like, if you've seen Buffy and you know that Joss Whedon sucks, you understand it once you realize that he wrote himself and like his self-insert character was Xander.
00:31:20
And then it all comes together and you realize, oh, that's, that's a good thing.
00:31:26
Yes. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:31:29
Good to know going into it.
00:31:31
Yeah.
00:31:32
As soon as I watch it, I will definitely remember that you said that.
00:31:36
No, you won't.
00:31:42
The other thing or the other movie that they compared American Mary to, Jen and Sylvia Soska,
00:31:49
pretty recently in the last couple of years, they said American Mary is basically or legally blonde.
00:31:54
They said it. Yeah, I believe that they believe that.
00:31:59
I mean, think about it. She's a pretty face.
00:32:02
She's in a male-dominated field.
00:32:07
She's, you know, ridiculed, but not ridiculed, essayed for her, you know, going.
00:32:17
They are both sexually harassed by a teacher.
00:32:21
That is true.
00:32:22
Is she in Lillie Lawn?
00:32:24
Yeah. When he like puts his hand on her thigh and he's like, oh, you know, you could.
00:32:28
Yeah. And then it causes a tiff between her and
00:32:32
Sylvia Blair's character.
00:32:34
Yeah.
00:32:34
Here's where I'm going to say that I don't agree.
00:32:37
Okay.
00:32:38
Elle Woods is always the hero.
00:32:40
I think Mary teeters.
00:32:43
That's so fair. True.
00:32:44
She's a little morally gray at times.
00:32:47
Yeah.
00:32:47
And at her core of cores, Elle Woods is a girl's girl.
00:32:55
And I would say that about Mary, but they ruined it with one scene.
00:32:59
And it's my least favorite scene in the whole movie.
00:33:03
And it's the when she attacks the girl in the bathroom.
00:33:06
Yeah. The jealousy scene.
00:33:08
Yeah. Because it fucking, it makes no sense at all.
00:33:12
Yeah. No, I didn't get that at all.
00:33:14
Like, it's so close to being like such a girly pop horror film.
00:33:18
And then they kind of like ruin it with that a little bit.
00:33:21
I still think it's a very like, I do agree that it is a feminist horror,
00:33:24
but maybe that's just because it's aged a little bit, you know, over 10 years old now.
00:33:28
But yeah, that scene, I'm just like, she showed no interest in Billy the whole time.
00:33:32
It was like always like Billy had a thing for her, but she never really reciprocated it at all.
00:33:38
And then all of a sudden she comes in, sees him getting a blowjob by this girl
00:33:41
and gets so jealous that she attacks the girl in the bathroom.
00:33:44
Yeah. And then and then I know.
00:33:48
Did she kill Billy?
00:33:50
No, that was a like a dream he had.
00:33:55
Vision. Yeah, like not a vision,
00:33:56
but like a kind of like a daydream I saw it as.
00:33:58
That he had?
00:33:59
Yes. I think it was to show that he was like both very attracted to her, but also scared of her.
00:34:06
Scared of her, yeah. Which is why then she asked.
00:34:08
Yes. People say you're scared of me.
00:34:10
Yes. But that scene after that where they're in the bar together and he's like,
00:34:14
let's go to California, like let's drive down together.
00:34:17
That was real. So that happened after that.
00:34:21
That wasn't super clear to me.
00:34:23
Yeah. But that's also why I'm like, I kind of wish that that had been the moment that she kind of
00:34:28
put the fear of God in Billy and made him realize he was treating all the women at the club like shit.
00:34:37
Yeah.
00:34:37
Like that would have been a better moment, I think, instead of attacking the girl, attack him.
00:34:41
That would have been my vision.
00:34:47
I agree.
00:34:48
Yeah.
00:34:48
That would have been, would have made much more sense.
00:34:52
Yeah. I feel like it just would have fit the character better and fit the themes better.
00:34:56
And personally, I would have liked it better, I guess.
00:34:59
Yeah. And also like what did the girl have to be scared of?
00:35:04
Like she wouldn't have known necessarily that Mary was who she was.
00:35:08
And she had the opportunity to go out the door.
00:35:11
The door was right next to the stall that she went into.
00:35:14
I think the idea was that she's new, right? So she doesn't really know.
00:35:19
She's not really scared of Mary.
00:35:21
And that's why the two other girls immediately leave and she doesn't.
00:35:25
And then I think it was just Mary's demeanor and then her like opening her tools.
00:35:28
And that's what like got her freaked out.
00:35:30
Yeah.
00:35:31
Just some of it, it was just cut really weird.
00:35:34
Some of the scenes were just not, they didn't make sense.
00:35:39
The editing's not great.
00:35:41
Yeah. And I don't mean hard to watch like, Bose of Frame's hard to watch.
00:35:46
Or, you know, like Hereditary is hard to watch.
00:35:48
There's some scenes that are hard to watch.
00:35:50
I mean, like it's physically hard to watch.
00:35:53
Yeah.
00:35:54
There's a scene where just a super weird cut.
00:35:56
It's literally like a two second scene. I think it's between when she like
00:36:03
cleans off the desk, which was also a really short scene.
00:36:07
It's just like a quick, you want to make five grand and then cuts away.
00:36:11
Do you know what I'm talking about?
00:36:12
I think so, yeah.
00:36:13
It's literally like a second and a half, a second and a half.
00:36:15
And that happened like two or three times throughout the movie.
00:36:18
Yeah.
00:36:19
Just, yeah, the editing was not, it didn't do it for me.
00:36:23
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:24
I think overall, the editing and the plot are just like a little messy.
00:36:30
Yeah.
00:36:32
It's not super tight.
00:36:34
Yeah, which is a bummer because the concept is good.
00:36:38
It's not quite torture porn.
00:36:43
It could have been.
00:36:44
It was getting pretty close.
00:36:46
Yep.
00:36:48
So I think that they did, there was a good balance there.
00:36:51
But yeah, the editing and the plot just didn't do it justice.
00:36:57
Yeah. I feel like the plot wise, the first half is a lot stronger than the second half.
00:37:02
Oh yeah.
00:37:04
Kind of just felt like it wasn't really sure where it was supposed to go.
00:37:09
And then it just ended and you were like, oh, that's it, I guess.
00:37:18
You would think rule number one of trying to sell a horror movie or any movie would be to leave it open for a sequel.
00:37:26
Because movies nowadays, they want to, I mean, I guess this was 10 years ago, but.
00:37:30
Yeah.
00:37:32
They want to be able to capitalize on the IP as much as possible.
00:37:36
Yeah. I don't know if I like love that though.
00:37:40
Well, no. But if you're desperate to sell a movie.
00:37:44
Yeah.
00:37:45
I don't know how desperate they were though.
00:37:47
I think they were more desperate to sell their first movie, like Dead Hooker in a Trunk or something like that.
00:37:51
Yeah.
00:37:52
Yeah.
00:37:52
Dead Hooker in a Trunk.
00:37:53
Was that not what it's called?
00:37:54
I think that's what it's called.
00:37:56
I think that's what it's called. Dead Hooker in a Trunk, 2009.
00:38:00
Yeah.
00:38:00
Yeah. So I think that was more of their like, let's get something sold.
00:38:06
Yeah.
00:38:07
And this was their more like, let's get something sold.
00:38:10
Yeah.
00:38:10
And this was their more like, let's do what we can do.
00:38:15
Yeah.
00:38:15
They said they wrote this too while they were trying to sell Dead Hooker in a Trunk.
00:38:20
In a Trunk.
00:38:24
But they said it was kind of based, like they paralleled it with their own lives and like dealing with really shady people in the movie industry.
00:38:33
And I think Sylvia even said, I know a lot of working women come into contact with a few monsters, even working men.
00:38:43
It was nice to hang those monsters up in a storage locker.
00:38:47
So it was kind of like their way of dealing with some of the people that they'd come across in the industry.
00:38:54
Heesh.
00:38:55
Yeah.
00:38:56
Quite the way to do it.
00:38:58
Yeah.
00:38:59
What are their fun facts?
00:39:01
They had a lot of like a lot of the clients that Mary talks to or works on are like actual members of the body modification community in real life.
00:39:11
So interesting.
00:39:12
So that's pretty cool.
00:39:13
I see that translated on screen.
00:39:14
I think you could tell that some of them were.
00:39:16
Yeah.
00:39:17
I mean like the guy with the horns and the split tongue.
00:39:19
I think that's just a guy who like did that.
00:39:23
Yeah.
00:39:24
I can see the crying so sad.
00:39:25
Yeah.
00:39:27
Extra is needed for a body modification whore.
00:39:30
Yeah.
00:39:31
The backstage listing.
00:39:33
I don't know.
00:39:34
Probably backstage.
00:39:35
Backstage.
00:39:36
Yeah.
00:39:37
So you get all the extras.
00:39:41
Tristan Risk and Paula Lindberg who played Beatrice and.
00:39:47
Ruby Real Girl.
00:39:48
Yes.
00:39:49
Thank you.
00:39:50
Ruby Real Girl.
00:39:51
Their makeup took two hours and prosthetics took two hours each to apply.
00:39:55
I thought that Beatrice looked really good.
00:39:59
It looked really organic but Real Girls did not.
00:40:03
Sorry Ruby.
00:40:04
Yeah.
00:40:05
Which I almost kind of like didn't mind because I think it fit the character.
00:40:10
Like it almost looked like a mask on her.
00:40:13
Like she could barely move her mouth and stuff.
00:40:15
But also like if you've had that much work done you can't really move that much.
00:40:19
Yeah.
00:40:20
And she was trying to look like a doll.
00:40:21
So the fact that it looked a little synthetic.
00:40:23
I didn't mind that too much.
00:40:25
They said that a lot of the times Mary is pictured with her black gloves, black apron,
00:40:34
and then like a white dress shirt underneath.
00:40:38
Like she's depicted like that a lot in the film.
00:40:40
And that was supposed to visually be similar to the film Audition.
00:40:47
Which is often people say that it's like one of the first like torture porn movies.
00:40:52
Whatever.
00:40:53
I personally think that the term torture porn kind of gets thrown out more often than it should be.
00:40:59
Because torture porn is basically like it's just torture scenes.
00:41:02
There's not really a plot.
00:41:03
There's a plot to Audition.
00:41:04
Yeah.
00:41:05
Okay.
00:41:06
People say that like Saw is torture porn.
00:41:07
No.
00:41:08
Saw has a plot.
00:41:09
Maybe some of the later ones.
00:41:12
But there is still a plot.
00:41:13
Yeah.
00:41:14
In the first one there's not even that much torture.
00:41:16
Yeah.
00:41:17
The first one is not.
00:41:18
Yeah.
00:41:19
I'll die on that hill.
00:41:20
The first Saw is not even close.
00:41:21
Yeah.
00:41:22
The later ones I could see how people think it.
00:41:25
There is still a plot.
00:41:26
But it gets a little shoddy near the end.
00:41:28
But I don't know.
00:41:31
Like when I think torture porn, I think of the movie Hostile.
00:41:34
Like that is torture porn to me.
00:41:36
It's not really a plot.
00:41:39
We'll get there eventually.
00:41:40
But they actually in the end credits of this they say like thank you to Eli Roth who did Hostile.
00:41:45
So.
00:41:46
The fuck?
00:41:47
Yeah.
00:41:49
That didn't really age well either.
00:41:50
There's a lot of stories about that guy.
00:41:52
Although I haven't like confirmed any of it myself because apparently it's like in a book that he wrote and then also in like DVD commentary, which I haven't listened to.
00:42:02
But a lot of people have said he's like used like homophobic slurs and then like doubled down on it.
00:42:09
And then also said that he like hired pretty women just so that he could look at them and like filmed extra takes of sex scenes just so that he could like watch.
00:42:19
Watch it even though he had it.
00:42:21
I don't know.
00:42:22
So that guy kind of seems like a creep to me.
00:42:23
But.
00:42:25
And this was dedicated to him.
00:42:27
Well, I think they said thank you.
00:42:28
That was also like probably a good five years before I think that stuff came out.
00:42:33
So I don't think that they knew.
00:42:35
I'll give them that benefit.
00:42:37
Maybe he was just maybe he was one of the men.
00:42:42
They worked.
00:42:43
Yeah.
00:42:44
That they were like hanging out to dry.
00:42:48
As they gave him a little shout out like.
00:42:51
I kind of doubt it.
00:42:52
I kind of doubt it only because they both have like kind of like grindhouse backgrounds and like this movie.
00:43:00
I think people say it kind of borders on torture porn and his movies kind of like Hostel I think was the first movie that people were like this is torture.
00:43:08
This popularized the genre for sure.
00:43:12
So I didn't see it as facetious.
00:43:16
But it was also 10 years ago.
00:43:18
So yeah.
00:43:19
I don't know.
00:43:20
I've never actually seen a torture porn.
00:43:23
So this is the closest I think we've got.
00:43:26
OK.
00:43:28
Some people say martyrs is torture porn.
00:43:30
I think we talked about that.
00:43:32
Yeah.
00:43:33
I don't think one terrible scene.
00:43:34
Well, I guess the whole movie.
00:43:36
But there's one.
00:43:37
It was like half the movie.
00:43:40
But again, I feel as though there's like a plot to that.
00:43:45
So I don't know.
00:43:47
Yeah.
00:43:48
I don't even remember the plot.
00:43:49
I remember the scenes though.
00:43:51
Yeah.
00:43:52
Well, anyway, we rate it.
00:43:53
Let's do it.
00:43:54
All right.
00:43:56
How scary did you think it was?
00:43:59
One out of five.
00:44:00
Yep.
00:44:01
Not a lot of like tension building.
00:44:03
It's just kind of it kind of lays everything out for you.
00:44:06
Yes.
00:44:07
That's fine.
00:44:08
Just not scary.
00:44:09
You gave what you gave it a one as well.
00:44:11
I gave it a one.
00:44:12
Yeah.
00:44:13
And I don't think it was meant to be scary.
00:44:16
It was meant to make people uncomfortable.
00:44:18
Yeah.
00:44:19
Yeah.
00:44:20
How sexy did you think it was?
00:44:22
Yeah.
00:44:23
You see, I had a hard time with this one too.
00:44:25
I had a hard time with what we just watched.
00:44:28
Cuckoo.
00:44:29
Yeah.
00:44:30
But I had a really hard time with this one because there is a lot of sexy stuff happening.
00:44:34
Yeah.
00:44:35
I like you talk about all the things because I know you will.
00:44:37
But there's also some really uncomfortable shit.
00:44:42
So, you know, much like Dr. Grant's tongue, it cut down the middle.
00:44:49
2.5.
00:44:50
Okay.
00:44:51
I like that.
00:44:53
It's sexy.
00:44:54
But also not.
00:44:56
But also it's not that sexy.
00:45:00
Yeah.
00:45:01
I think like I don't know why, but sometimes when I think about how sexy a movie is, I
00:45:07
just think about the sexy parts and I kind of like push all the other stuff back a little
00:45:12
bit.
00:45:13
Yikes.
00:45:14
Which can be hard in this movie's case.
00:45:20
I still gave it a three.
00:45:21
Okay.
00:45:22
But I basically gave it like two full points, right?
00:45:26
Usually it would be like half points and stuff.
00:45:28
I gave like one full point for Catherine Isabel.
00:45:33
Big fan.
00:45:34
And then another full point for Catherine Isabel covered in blood.
00:45:38
That's what I was doing.
00:45:40
Yeah.
00:45:41
That was my two full points, both for her, both not and covered in blood.
00:45:48
Yeah.
00:45:49
See, I would have made it higher were it not for all the other stuff that I could not separate.
00:45:55
Yeah.
00:45:56
So that's why it wasn't higher for me too because you got Patrick Star in the next room.
00:46:00
It kind of kills the vibe a little bit.
00:46:03
Yeah.
00:46:04
Well, how fucked up did you think it was?
00:46:09
I gave it a two.
00:46:12
That's fucking crazy.
00:46:15
Because for all the points that it's not sexy, it's fucked up.
00:46:20
Together they make a five.
00:46:23
That's fucking insane.
00:46:26
A two?
00:46:27
I don't know.
00:46:28
It was like body modification.
00:46:30
But you only showed me so much of that before I kind of just like get numb to it.
00:46:36
Okay.
00:46:37
That's fucking crazy.
00:46:40
It was like a point for body modification and a point for the very uncomfortable essay
00:46:46
scene.
00:46:47
That's where I was like, okay.
00:46:50
What did you give it?
00:46:51
I gave it a four.
00:46:53
Okay.
00:46:54
That's fair.
00:46:55
Yeah.
00:46:56
It's easily the second most fucked up movie that we've watched.
00:46:59
I don't remember what I rated martyrs.
00:47:01
That's the most fucked up.
00:47:03
If not tied with martyrs.
00:47:05
Okay.
00:47:06
Yeah.
00:47:07
The gratuitous essay scene definitely contributed to that.
00:47:12
It was way too long for me.
00:47:14
But again, I get that it wasn't supposed to make you feel comfortable.
00:47:18
And then combined with all the slicing and dicing and like the idea of body modification
00:47:25
does not bother me.
00:47:28
Seeing it happening.
00:47:29
Yeah.
00:47:30
Bothers me.
00:47:31
Okay.
00:47:32
And the Dr. Grant stuff.
00:47:34
Yeah.
00:47:35
Terrible.
00:47:36
Yeah.
00:47:37
So yeah.
00:47:40
And it is as close to torture porn as I think we've seen.
00:47:44
So I put it a four.
00:47:46
That's fair.
00:47:47
Thank you.
00:47:48
I know.
00:47:49
Yeah.
00:47:50
And correct compared to your fucking two.
00:47:52
That's insane.
00:47:53
That's crazy.
00:47:56
I guess the Dr. Grant stuff didn't bother me because I wanted more.
00:48:01
Well, I mean, you don't have to feel bad for him for it to still be fucked up.
00:48:08
Yeah, that's fair.
00:48:09
That's fair.
00:48:10
Thank you.
00:48:11
I told myself before we went into this, if she raised it under a three, I'm gonna be
00:48:16
pissed.
00:48:17
So I'm pissed.
00:48:18
A two?
00:48:19
I don't know.
00:48:20
I didn't think.
00:48:21
I voted with my heart.
00:48:23
Okay.
00:48:24
Well.
00:48:25
Next time vote with your brain.
00:48:30
Jesus.
00:48:33
You know what?
00:48:39
I'm gonna take this time to reflect.
00:48:41
Thank you.
00:48:42
I'm gonna sleep on it and we do next week's episode.
00:48:45
I'll come back to it.
00:48:46
Yeah.
00:48:47
Corrections corner out the gate.
00:48:48
Corrections corner.
00:48:49
You know, in hindsight.
00:48:50
It was pretty fucked up.
00:48:51
I was so wrong.
00:48:52
I can't wait.
00:48:55
Oh, fuck.
00:48:58
You're allowed to give it a two.
00:49:01
That's crazy.
00:49:03
That's so crazy.
00:49:05
It doesn't like stick with me like some movies have.
00:49:11
Okay.
00:49:12
I'm thinking of a four in my head right now.
00:49:16
I'm like, to this day, I think about that movie and I'm like, that's fucked up.
00:49:22
You know what I mean?
00:49:25
Yeah.
00:49:26
This one I feel like, I'll think about American Mary and I'm like, yeah, that was boring.
00:49:30
I don't know.
00:49:31
You think about the Patrick star a lot.
00:49:33
That is.
00:49:34
That's pretty fucked up.
00:49:36
Yes.
00:49:37
That's crazy.
00:49:38
All right.
00:49:39
I'll sleep on it.
00:49:40
Okay.
00:49:41
Plus the essay thing.
00:49:42
Yeah.
00:49:43
That was like a full.
00:49:44
Yeah.
00:49:45
That's a full point by itself.
00:49:46
That's true.
00:49:47
She's going to think about it.
00:49:50
But I do understand.
00:49:53
I don't know.
00:49:54
It's hard because I understand that that's a release for some people of being able to
00:50:00
see the revenge for that.
00:50:03
That's why I'm kind of like, I get why it was included even if it is super uncomfortable.
00:50:10
But for the people who want to see the revenge for that, do they even want to watch that
00:50:13
scene?
00:50:14
I think it depends on the person, honestly.
00:50:17
I can't speak to it.
00:50:20
I personally don't know, but I have like 30 friends I could ask.
00:50:24
Jesus.
00:50:25
Most women.
00:50:28
Unfortunately.
00:50:29
So yeah, I don't know.
00:50:35
It'll never make it not uncomfortable to watch for sure.
00:50:39
Overall, what did you think of American Mary?
00:50:43
Well, it had a lot of potential.
00:50:47
Yeah.
00:50:48
I don't think I'm going to say anything that I haven't already said.
00:50:51
I just could not get past the shoddy editing.
00:50:55
It was so bad.
00:50:56
There were some really weird cuts.
00:50:58
There was some terrible dialogue, even worse acting.
00:51:03
Terrible acting.
00:51:04
But there was also some really great acting.
00:51:08
Catherine Isbell and the Canadian The Rock absolutely fucking carried this movie on their
00:51:14
backs.
00:51:15
They did the best with what they were given.
00:51:18
There was also some super intense practical effects, and I love that it's all practical.
00:51:25
And a couple of really lovable characters.
00:51:26
I did like Beatrice.
00:51:27
I thought she was cute.
00:51:28
I felt really bad that she got what happened to her.
00:51:35
And I don't know.
00:51:37
I don't think that we should be glorifying extreme body modification as much as maybe
00:51:45
this movie kind of did.
00:51:46
I absolutely understand body modification as an outlet, but the extreme was a little
00:51:51
glorified and that bothered me a little.
00:51:53
And then the only other thought I had about it, and then I'll tell you what I read it,
00:51:57
was I would have preferred a lot more of Mary pouring blood all over herself.
00:52:03
But I think that's the exact point that this movie was trying to make.
00:52:08
Was that that's not what I should be getting out of this movie is that Catherine Isbell
00:52:11
should be pouring blood all over herself more.
00:52:14
So all that to say, I'm again going to split it right down the middle.
00:52:18
I'm only going to give it a two and a half.
00:52:22
But I would watch this again.
00:52:26
I did enjoy it.
00:52:28
There was just so much wrong with it.
00:52:30
Critically, I cannot give it higher than two and a half.
00:52:35
I can accept that.
00:52:36
That's fair.
00:52:37
Yeah.
00:52:38
OK, thanks.
00:52:39
If Catherine Isbell wasn't in it and if I hated the movie, it would have been a one.
00:52:40
But I didn't.
00:52:41
So I mean, you know, what's crazy is that every movie we've watched, if I hated it, it would
00:52:48
also be a one.
00:52:49
Well, yeah, I guess that's true.
00:52:50
Honestly, yeah, that that is what one means.
00:52:53
If I hated this movie, it'd be a one.
00:52:57
I mean, if I hated like the plot and like the concept and but I liked all those things.
00:53:03
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:04
There's no in between.
00:53:06
It's either it's got to be a two and a half.
00:53:09
Yeah, fair.
00:53:10
Thank you.
00:53:11
What did you rate it?
00:53:16
This is a movie that I want to like more than I do because it seems like a very mean movie,
00:53:26
right?
00:53:27
But yeah, they're to your point, there's a lot wrong with it.
00:53:32
There's editing.
00:53:34
The plot itself is very messy.
00:53:36
The acting is so uneven.
00:53:40
And I literally just said last week, I'm a girl who likes a solid plot.
00:53:43
This is not a very solid plot, unfortunately.
00:53:47
But again, there's aspects that I really love.
00:53:49
I adore Catherine Isbell.
00:53:51
I think she never gets enough credit.
00:53:55
She's she's fantastic underrated scream queen for sure.
00:54:00
And I like the overall like vibe of it.
00:54:03
I don't think there's a lot of movies that talk about body modification.
00:54:06
And also Mary's kind of delve into madness is fun to watch.
00:54:10
And it is a fun movie to watch.
00:54:11
I love the practical effects.
00:54:13
Yeah, I'm always stuck at like wanting to like it a little bit more than I do.
00:54:19
I did give it a three because I think some of it makes it a little endearing.
00:54:24
Like I do kind of understand that.
00:54:26
But like some of the bad acting and some of the bad editing, I'm kind of like, aw, American
00:54:32
Mary, there she goes again.
00:54:36
So I think a little bit of that adds to the charm.
00:54:39
But I do wish that the second half was a little bit stronger.
00:54:43
That is where it kind of falls apart for me.
00:54:45
And it's not even that she dies at the end.
00:54:48
Like a lot of people don't like that she dies at the end.
00:54:50
That doesn't bother me.
00:54:51
And I kind of think that that's how it should end.
00:54:56
She's really gone down a rabbit hole that I don't think she can crawl out of.
00:55:02
But I also understand that in people who like it for that kind of revenge aspect, like don't
00:55:08
want her to die.
00:55:09
And that makes sense to me as well.
00:55:11
But that part doesn't bother me.
00:55:13
It's just like the messy ending, the unresolved plots, and just abruptly ending it with her
00:55:19
getting stabbed by a random guy.
00:55:22
Yeah, I would change that.
00:55:26
Yeah.
00:55:27
I mean, to be fair, I think that she she dies having gotten her revenge without fully becoming
00:55:34
the villain.
00:55:35
That's true.
00:55:36
So I, yeah, that's what I don't mind the end.
00:55:39
Yeah.
00:55:40
But she's kind of saved from becoming so.
00:55:43
And I also think she's almost on the brink of redemption by the end.
00:55:50
Like her last conversation with Billy kind of seems like she's like not super pleased
00:55:55
that everyone's terrified of her and kind of wanting to change that.
00:56:00
And taking poison back from the cop.
00:56:03
Right.
00:56:04
Not doing that, planning on possibly just leaving and starting over at a fresh start
00:56:10
somewhere.
00:56:11
I mean, it could have been a beautiful ending, but I don't think a beautiful ending was what
00:56:17
they were really going for here.
00:56:21
I do think that this movie would be a really good candidate for a remake.
00:56:25
Yeah.
00:56:26
An American remake.
00:56:29
Just you know.
00:56:31
Yeah.
00:56:32
Bring Catherine as well back as somebody.
00:56:35
Not not Mary, maybe.
00:56:36
I said bring it back as Mary.
00:56:42
Yeah, no, I think I think it'd be a great remake candidate.
00:56:45
That's fair.
00:56:46
I know.
00:56:51
Would you survive?
00:56:52
I think so.
00:56:53
Yeah.
00:56:54
Yeah.
00:56:55
Yeah.
00:56:56
I'm not dropping out of medical school, so I'm not I don't have time to do all these
00:56:58
other surgeries.
00:56:59
You know?
00:57:00
Yeah.
00:57:01
I'm just doing medical school.
00:57:02
So yeah, I live.
00:57:03
And so do all the other people.
00:57:06
Yeah, I think I do.
00:57:11
I think I would have done the first surgery right where she's like down there.
00:57:15
That's the surgery that got her got her killed.
00:57:19
No, the first one, not not on Ruby.
00:57:23
Like when she's there to become a dancer.
00:57:26
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
00:57:27
And then he's like, do you want to make $5 tonight?
00:57:29
I think I would have done that because like you're desperate for money.
00:57:32
Like, OK, fine.
00:57:33
Yes, sir.
00:57:34
OK.
00:57:35
I think I would have done the surgery once it once it delved into like making a job out
00:57:40
of like underground surgeries.
00:57:42
I don't think I would delve into that.
00:57:44
So I think I'm OK.
00:57:48
Good.
00:57:49
Yeah.
00:57:50
Oh, yeah.
00:57:51
We live to see another day.
00:57:53
Go us.
00:57:55
Yeah.
00:57:56
God.
00:57:57
People wish.
00:57:58
Yeah.
00:57:59
All right.
00:58:00
Do you want to protect next week's movie?
00:58:06
Yeah.
00:58:07
It's one you picked.
00:58:09
Oh, good.
00:58:11
Jacob's Ladder.
00:58:12
Oh, no.
00:58:13
Shit.
00:58:14
OK.
00:58:15
Also, when we were making the schedule, we had to add this one in because we changed a
00:58:20
couple of things and you were like, oh, is there a remake?
00:58:25
And I was like, no, there is a remake.
00:58:29
I just forgot about it because it got terrible reviews, so I never saw it.
00:58:33
Should we watch both?
00:58:34
I'll leave it up to you if you want to watch both.
00:58:37
We should watch both.
00:58:38
OK.
00:58:39
It's a classic, right?
00:58:40
It's a classic.
00:58:41
It's a classic.
00:58:42
Yeah, I would say it's well, I mean, it's not like classic classic.
00:58:45
It was made in the 90s.
00:58:47
So it's not like OG classic.
00:58:50
But I do still think it has that kind of elevated prestige that people give it, you know.
00:58:57
OK.
00:58:58
If it has a remake, right?
00:58:59
It's a classic.
00:59:00
Yeah.
00:59:01
Yeah.
00:59:02
But I'd be down to watch the remake for the first time.
00:59:05
OK, yeah.
00:59:06
Let's do that.
00:59:07
Let's do that.
00:59:08
OK.
00:59:09
I have a feeling we'll probably talk about the original more, but that's OK.
00:59:12
Maybe it'll be so bad, it'll give us some stuff to talk about.
00:59:16
That's true.
00:59:17
What if we love it?
00:59:18
That would be crazy.
00:59:19
That would be crazy.
00:59:20
All right.
00:59:21
Tell me about Jacob's Ladder.
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Yeah, OK.
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Jacob's Ladder is about a child who, much like me, because I have one right here, a
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little fidget string.
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Yes.
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Plays with string.
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And he opens portals.
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Yep.
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Every time he makes a Jacob's Ladder with the string.
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Yes.
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His name is Jacob.
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That's where the expression came from.
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Jacob's Ladder.
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And he's making it.
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Look at the letter I made with my fingers.
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Oh, Jacob.
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Yeah.
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You made a ladder.
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Mm-hmm.
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And now that's why we call it Jacob's Ladder.
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Yeah.
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And it opens a portal that whoever he's playing with goes into.
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Got it.
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And usually it's like real quick, you know, in and out kind of thing until one day.
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Little girl in the playground goes missing.
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Oh, my God.
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Yep.
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No.
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And they don't know it's Jacob that did it.
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Until later when more kids start going missing.
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Yeah.
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And so they take Jacob and they put him in like one of those rooms with a bunch of toys
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and stuff.
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They're like talking to him or whatever.
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He does Jacob's Ladder and he kills his therapist.
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Or like disappears his therapist.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, that's the end of the movie.
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Yeah.
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They find out that it was Jacob and his little portal ladder the whole time.
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And they say, no, no, Jacob, don't do that anymore.
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And then it's done.
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And then it's done.
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It's over.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'm looking forward to it.
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Personally.
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Yeah.
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There is a guy named Jacob.
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An adult.
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He's an adult.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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He's played by Tim Robbins.
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The comedian?
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No.
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Who's Tim Robbins?
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Shawshank Redemption.
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I've never seen Shawshank Redemption, which is crazy.
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I know.
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I know.
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I know the soundtrack that you wouldn't believe.
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Hold on.
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Let me look.
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I know it's hard being friends with you sometimes.
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OK.
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I'm looking.
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What's his name again?
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The Shawshank Redemption is one of the best films ever made.
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I know.
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Everybody says that.
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Because it's true.
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OK.
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I know.
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What's his name?
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Tim Robbins?
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Tim Robbins.
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Who am I thinking of?
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You're thinking of Tim Robinson from I Think You Should Leave Now.
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Yes.
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Yes, I am.
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Can you imagine?
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I didn't do shit as he disappears his therapist.
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This guy doesn't look familiar at all.
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That's crazy.
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Oh, shit.
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He's in Top Gun.
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I love Top Gun.
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He's in a lot.
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He's an Academy Award winning actor.
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Well, of course he is if he's in the Shawshank Redemption.
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He didn't win it for that.
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Oh, my God.
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He's in Howard the Duck.
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Green Lantern, the 2011 Green Lantern.
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Oh, no.
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Fuck you.
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He's in a lot of really terrible movies.
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Oh, my God.
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He's in Austin Powers, a Spy Who Shagged Me.
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Oh, my God.
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Crazy.
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You kill me.
01:03:17
You kill me, Katie.
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Yeah, I was definitely thinking of that other guy.
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Yeah.
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What the fuck?
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What the fuck?
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Siffy two burgers, siffy two fries.
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The day he's in a horror movie, we're watching it.
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Oh, yeah.
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No.
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But anyways, he plays Jacob.
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Jacob is an adult fan.
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And is he in a second record?
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No.
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Okay.
01:03:48
No.
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I think the only thing that I'm going to tell you now, because this might like.
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Don't tell me anything.
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Okay.
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I'll be fine.
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It'll be great.
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I believe in you.
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Is it scary?
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Depends on the person.
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Will I think it's scary?
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I don't think so.
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Okay.
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Good.
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So it's not.
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I don't think it's that scary, but it can be for some people.
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Okay.
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It's psychological.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm looking forward to it.
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Me too.
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Good.
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And the remake.
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That less so.
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I bet that one has Tim Robinson.
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Usually if I don't.
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I would lose my goddamn mind.
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Yeah.
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Usually if I don't watch a remake, it's because people were like, wow, that was awful.
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So I just don't.
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But who knows?
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Maybe it'll be one of those ones that everybody hates.
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And I'm like, what are you guys talking about?
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This is the best movie ever made.
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Yeah.
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Who's to say?
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Us.
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Next Tuesday.
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Next week.
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Yep.
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We're slowly becoming one person.
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All right, cool.
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Well, thank you for listening.
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