83. The true story behind the Amityville horror house | Ranking the 1979 and 2005 Amityville Horror films

Kd (00:25) Happy Tuesday! Cassidy (00:27) Hi, happy Tuesday. Kd (00:29) It actually is Tuesday behind the scenes. Cassidy (00:32) My god. What the fuck? Kd (00:35) My finger... Cassidy (00:36) I'm sorry. How fun! Filming on a Tuesday? Not the Tuesday you're listening to this, but a Tuesday. One of many. We usually don't record on Tuesday. Well, sometimes we do. Kd (00:45) Tuesday. Well, sometimes we do. Cassidy (00:52) I feel like lately we've been doing the Thursdays. Kd (00:52) It just depends. Cassidy (00:54) Mm -hmm. Kd (00:54) Anyway, welcome back to Killer Cuties Podcast. Cassidy (00:57) That's us. Kd (00:58) Mm -hmm. We're here to talk about The Amityville Horror. Two of them. Two of like 50. Yeah. So many. Too many. Cassidy (01:03) Both of them. Well, yeah, two. Two of the many. Yeah, there's so many movies about that house. Way too many. You said it best. Yeah, I'll kick us off with like a little overview. We are going to be talking about the 1979 version and then the remake 2005 version. You looked confused. Did you not know it was 1979? Oh, okay. It's not, Kd (01:31) I thought it was 78. Okay. Cassidy (01:37) Um, the review of they're the same. It's, it's, yeah. I mean, there's differences in the plot, but basically it's about newlyweds, George and Kathy Lutz and their three children. They move into a large house where a mass murder was committed. They start to experience strange, inexplicable manifestations, which have strong effects on everyone living in or visiting the house. Classic haunted house story. Um, the 1979 version was directed by Stuart Rosenberg. Screenplay by Sandor Stern, and it's based on The Amityville Horror by Jay Anson, the book. It stars James Brolin and Margot Kidder, and it was a box office hit. The budget was $4 .7 million and it made $86 .4 million, so it did well. Obviously, it spawned many sequels and the remake. However, Critically, maybe not as big of a hit, currently has a 6 .2 on IMDb, a 31 % critics score and a 52 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. And then the 2005 version, directed by Andrew Douglas, screenplay by Scott Kosar, also based on the book by Jay Anson. It stars Ryan Reynolds and Melissa George. And it was also commercially successful. Out of a $19 million budget, they made $107 .5 million at the box office. But again, critically, it has a 5 .9 on IMDb, a 24 % critic score, and a 52 % audience score, again, on Rotten Tomatoes. So audience is perfectly aligned on both of those movies. Yeah, but it is based, I say in quotes, on a real story and kd's gonna talk about that now. Kd (03:22) Yeah, I'm excited. I think it's juicy. Cassidy (03:25) Plump. Kd (03:27) Yeah. Okay, the true story of the Amityville horror. In 1974, Ronald DeFeo, then 23 years old, killed his parents and four siblings with a shotgun after drugging them to sleep in their Amityville, New York home. DeFeo and his lawyer, William Weber, pled insanity, claiming, quote, the devil made him do it. DeFeo was ultimately convicted and sentenced to six consecutive life sentences and died behind bars in 2021. Cassidy (03:33) Yep. Kd (03:58) In 1975, a year after the DeFeo murders, a family of five called the Lutz's moved into the house despite knowing its history because of its low price tag. A local Catholic priest was asked to bless the home, but the Lutz's claimed to have still seen apparitions, bubbling slime, red -eyed pig heads, and levitating furniture, as well as heard voices and strange noises. They also claimed that one night, Kathy briefly transformed into a 90 -year -old woman. On their final night in the home, Kathy was reported to have levitated off her bed and everyone awoke the following morning traumatized by the loud banging they had heard all night. The family moved out that day, 28 days after they had moved in. Soon after, the Lutz's and William Weber met and shared their stories. In 1988, Weber claimed that that meeting included, quote, many bottles of wine and that he and the Lutz's spun their real life experiences into book and movie concepts. The neighbor's cat had supposedly inspired the red -eyed pig monster. DeFeo's father hitting his wife while she had a plate of spaghetti in her hand inspired the red -walled room. Weber and the Lutz's ultimately had a falling out over the financials associated with a book deal, so they parted ways. The Lutz's then partnered with Jay Anson, who released The Amityville Horror in 1977, and Weber sued them for breach of contract in 1979. Since the success of the book and original film, the house has sold several times, most recently in 2023. The Lutz family lived in a paranormal free life after moving out of their haunted home, but George and Kathy divorced in the late 1980s. George ultimately died of a heart attack in 2006 and Kathy died of emphysema in 2004 while all their adult children are still alive and remain out of the public eye. Cassidy (05:42) Wow. I think another fun fact is that every person who's lived in that house since has said that nothing weird has ever happened. So maybe it goes towards the credibility of the lawyer guy who was like, no, we made it all up. Kd (05:59) Yeah. Yeah. Cassidy (06:02) I think 50 years is kind of a long time for nothing else to happen. Kd (06:06) Seriously, yeah. And honestly, a very long time for us still to be talking about nothing that ever happened. Cassidy (06:15) Yeah. Yeah. I know, but then it's like, man, that, I mean. Kd (06:16) crazy that we're still talking about Cassidy (06:20) It's kinda smart. Maybe I should say my apartment's haunted. Get some moolah out of it. Kd (06:25) I think your apartment is haunted, but that's just me. Cassidy (06:27) It's definitely not. Kd (06:29) There's some weird vibes there. Cassidy (06:32) I think that's just me. I'm giving off the weird vibes. I'm just weird. Yeah. Kd (06:34) Okay. You're haunted. I mean, they use the same tactics to promote the movies too. They made up whole bunch of shit just to scare people. Cassidy (06:46) Mm -hmm. Yeah, they do that with like every haunted house movie. They're like, all this crazy stuff happened on set. At least this time, like the cast didn't go along with it. Like James Brolin and Margot Kidder were both like, nah, it's all, it's all bullshit. Like I think James Brolin even got pretty close with George Lutz and was still like, I don't think that happened. Kd (06:52) yeah, totally. Yeah. Yep. Cassidy (07:12) So I think that's kind of funny. Kd (07:16) There was even a rumor that the production team refused to film inside the actual house, but that was just Cassidy (07:23) Yeah, made up. Kd (07:24) Yeah. All made up. Cassidy (07:26) Yeah, I think like the city itself told them they couldn't do it because they didn't want the like bad attention. But that I couldn't tell if that was like production made that up or if that was just a rumor that was made up about the movie. You know what I mean? Kd (07:41) Yeah. I mean, either way, got people excited about it. Cassidy (07:42) Who's to say? Yeah, that's true. I like, kind of on the cast not really buying it. Margot Kidder later went on record saying that she hated the movie. And in an interview, she said, direct quote, "It was a piece of shit. I couldn't believe that anyone would take that seriously. I was laughing the whole way through it, much to the annoyance of Rod Steiger, who took the whole thing very seriously. Kd (08:03) my god. Cassidy (08:12) At the time, my agent proposed a sort of one -for -me, one -for -them policy. This was one for them. It was crazy Christians who made it a hit. They wanted people to believe in the devil and possessions and haunted houses and all that hooey." Kd (08:28) my God. Cassidy (08:29) So she I think, vehemently hated this movie. Kd (08:34) Sounds like it. I also read that the pig monster was hysterical to her. And the director was like, you got to pull yourself together. This is supposed to be the most terrifying thing you've ever seen and you're laughing. Cassidy (08:46) Well, and then didn't he try to like scare her with like a doll or whatever because her reaction was ju- that just made it worse, like she's just laughing even more. Kd (08:51) and that made it worse. Yep. Which, honestly, I don't blame her. Cassidy (08:57) I don't either, yeah. Kd (08:59) Effects in the 70s just aren't what they are now. Cassidy (09:01) They sure aren't. it's kind of has like that little iconic fly scene. It's been parodied before. but apparently the cinema Kd (09:11) We're watching a lot of fly movies recently. Cassidy (09:13) Yeah. Kd (09:15) hahaha Cassidy (09:16) Yeah. Kd (09:18) That's four now, which is... weird. Cassidy (09:22) Four fly movies? Kd (09:24) Well, two The Fly and two The Amityville Horror. Cassidy (09:26) you can't. OK. Four. Kd (09:34) It's weird that it happened twice. Cassidy (09:36) Shut up. Anyways, the cinematographer Fred J. Koenekamp, I hope I said that right, he admitted to having a really hard time shooting the fly scenes because he is scared of insects. And so he didn't like that. And whenever there was like closeups of the flies, he would just look away and hope that it got the right image of them. Kd (10:02) my god. Cassidy (10:04) And he also apparently lost nearly 30 pounds because he refused to eat because like the flies made him lose his appetite. Kd (10:13) Poor guy! Cassidy (10:14) Oh, like, how long were they filming those flies? 30 pounds, that's a lot of weight to lose. I guess maybe it impacted him afterwards. Kd (10:16) Seriously, that's a lot of weight. I guess. Weird. Cassidy (10:24) I think, yeah, that maybe therapy. Kd (10:30) Yeah, at the very least. Cassidy (10:32) That's an intense fear. That sucks though. Can you imagine signing on and you're like, big blockbuster scary movie. Shoot flies all day. And that's your worst nightmare. Kd (10:34) Yeah. Right? my god. I was wondering, and by the way, we're talking about the old movie, the 79 version right now. We didn't preface. Cassidy (10:50) yes. Yeah, that's true. That's true. We're starting with the first one. Kd (10:56) Yeah, they both do have fly scenes, but this is the 79 version. I was wondering how they got the flies to act the way they did, and supposedly they just used honey. Like smothered the priest's face with honey and the window and... Cassidy (11:00) Yes, yes. Yeah. I wouldn't like that. Kd (11:12) Crazy. A lot of, we're learning a lot of fly manipulation techniques. Cassidy (11:18) That's true, yeah. Kd (11:20) Between our, yeah. Cassidy (11:22) This and the fly. Yeah, yeah. Might as well get all our fly facts right now and I'll look ahead and then no more after this episode no more fly facts that's it. Kd (11:28) And then sorry, no more. No more fly facts. Yeah, just go and listen to The Fly for the rest of them. Cassidy (11:36) Exactly. Kd (11:41) There were a lot of pretty popular actors considered for the role of George. Well, first of all, Christopher Reeve played Superman, but James Brolin auditioned for Superman. And then James Brolin played George Lutz, but Christopher Reeve auditioned for George Lutz, which I thought was interesting. They also considered Harrison Ford, Cassidy (11:50) Mm -hmm. Yeah. Kd (12:09) fresh off his success in Star Wars, Burt Reynolds and James Caan. Cassidy (12:14) Yeah. And it's also like, yeah, he... I was like, he's been in many things. Kd (12:15) James Caan was in something. That we watched. That we watched. Cassidy (12:24) He was in Misery. Yeah. I was like, yeah, he's a pretty well -worked actor. But that's an even funner fact because Christopher Reeve played Superman, but Margot Kidder played Lois Lane. Kd (12:25) yeah, yeah, yeah, Elf. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He sent a lot of Yeah! Cassidy (12:42) There you go. Lots of connections. Kd (12:42) Her character is also humming the love theme from the 78 version of Superman while she's doing dishes or something. Cassidy (12:51) Mm -hmm. Yeah, I think it's like pretty early Kd (12:54) Super cute. Yeah. Love that. Cassidy (12:56) Can I just say real quick two things about the the 79 version: 1. some of the editing was crazy I thought my computer froze because there's that like freeze frame in the stairs and then they cut to the shooting. I literally was like Is my internet down like what hap- because the sound kept going but that scene just stopped like the realtor is showing them around the house. Kd (13:11) yeah! Yeah. Cassidy (13:23) And she turns to them and while she's turning it, freeze frames and then hard cuts to the shooting and then cuts back. Kd (13:30) Mm -hmm. Yeah, I thought like she was having like a flashback or something like she was clairvoyant and like seeing what had happened in the house like it just didn't really mesh. And it only happened the once. Cassidy (13:41) Yeah, felt like it It helped- Yeah, it felt like the change of scene should have happened like immediately when the scene stopped. But it didn't, it like stayed stopped for a second. So that was weird, threw me off a little bit. Yeah, and then also my favorite part about it was when the nun leaves the house and she's in the car and she has to throw up. Kd (13:55) Yeah, very strange. Cassidy (14:04) And the sound that she makes when she's throwing up is a sound that no human has ever made when they're throwing up. And I laughed so hard. Favorite part. Kd (14:09) No, no, I mean, to her credit, maybe it was like a demon possession kind of throwing up, which may sound a little different than maybe you or I. Cassidy (14:23) I should hope, yeah. I really liked that part. Kd (14:28) Yeah, we just talked about this too off screen, but it's worth saying in the episode. There's a couple scenes where Margot Kidder talks with her teeth, which, really hard to explain for somebody that's not watching us on video, but basically when she says like words, words that start with she uses like her teeth and her bottom lip to say it instead of her top lip and her bottom lip. Cassidy (14:41) Yeah. Yeah, instead of like, mm, with her lips pressed together, it's like, mm, with her top teeth and her bottom lip. Yeah. Kd (15:04) True. -huh. Yeah, so you're like, you can always see her teeth while she's talking. I can't even do it. I'm trying to do it right now. maybe I can. I can! What the hell? my God, I can do it. Look at how good I'm doing. That's exactly how she talks. Thank you. It was really uncomfortable, but I did it. Cassidy (15:22) Yeah, you're doing amazing. Yeah, great. Episode over. We got what we came here for. Also, if a ghost stole $1,500 for me right now in today's money, I would be pissed. Let alone in 1975. OK, I'm actually going to. How much would that have been inflation? 72. Kd (15:33) Ugh. It's like $7 ,200. Cassidy (15:55) It's 74. 74 .92. It's, it's, or no, no, no, sorry, sorry. 8 ,400. I was focusing on the five, the 500 almost, not the seven. It's an eight. $8 ,500 basically. Is that how much wedding caterers are? I'm never getting married. That's crazy. That seems like a lot. Okay. Kd (15:58) Okay, well I was close. God! my god. That's not how much I paid. That's not how much I paid. But my neighbor cooked all my food, Because she makes the best chicken. Cassidy (16:27) great. Amazing. Yeah, that seems like a lot of money, but weddings are a lot of money. Kd (16:33) Yeah, was just reading something the other day that the average wedding costs $35 ,000. Are you fucking joking? Cassidy (16:40) No. Kd (16:40) No way. Mine was like eight, I think. Thousand. Cassidy (16:44) I just, I don't think, I'm gonna go to the courthouse if I get married. Kd (16:49) That checks out. Cassidy (16:50) Yeah, I just don't think a wedding is for me. Kd (16:54) That's fair. Cassidy (16:54) I'll have a BYOB in my mom's backyard afterwards. Kd (16:57) Cute! Cassidy (17:01) Yeah, I think so. Kd (17:04) I'll finally get to meet your mom. Cassidy (17:05) My God, yeah. Kd (17:06) Assuming I'm invited. Cassidy (17:08) Hmm. We'll see. Kd (17:10) Plot twist, I'm the groom. or bride. Cassidy (17:16) Can't wait. Kd (17:20) Couple things have to happen before that happens but you know I'm willing to- Say the word I mean Cassidy (17:23) It's all on you, honestly. I'm just waiting. shit. Kd (17:34) god. Speaking of family and how they ruin people's weddings. Cassidy (17:42) Great. Kd (17:42) Bad segue, but the bearded man in the red room of the 79 movie, who's supposed to be DeFeo and like DeFeo supposedly looks like George. That was James Brolin's brother, Brian. Cassidy (17:48) Mm -hmm. Yes. Good ole Brian. Yeah, I like that. Nothing to do with weddings or people ruining them. So not sure where that segue even came from. Kd (18:00) Wearing a beard. No, but like family. Yeah. It came from trauma. Cassidy (18:14) Amazing. Kd (18:16) hahahaha Cassidy (18:19) shit. Kd (18:20) We talked briefly about how much money this movie made. It was an unexpected blockbuster. But at the time, it was in the top 10 movies of all time. And James Brolin had, we say it every time, negotiate royalties. He had negotiated royalties for a lower salary out the gate. And he made $17 million in 70s money, but that's $78 Cassidy (18:25) Mm -hmm. Yup. Kd (18:48) million dollars adjusted for inflation. Cassidy (18:50) Always take the royalties. Kd (18:52) Yep, it's worth the risk. Cassidy (18:54) I think so. Because critics and audiences can hate your movie and it can still do well. Kd (18:58) Yeah, right? What the hell? People hate this movie and it made so much fucking money, both of them! Cassidy (19:03) People hate this movie. Kd (19:07) I mean, can see how, I mean, we're not talking about the new one yet, the newer one yet, but the 2005 one I could see, I remember it being like viral, like people talking about it. It's got some like shock scenes in it. Cassidy (19:19) Yeah, for sure. Oh yeah, I remember watching it when I was like 13. And I was like, this is the peak of cinema. And then I watched any other movie and I was like, nevermind. Kd (19:29) my Cassidy (19:37) But that's how it goes when you're 13 and you haven't gotten into horror yet. Kd (19:41) Yeah, and that's probably why like you and I were hearing about it when it came out. It's because we were young and the people who enjoyed it were people who should not have been in the theater watching it. Cassidy (19:46) Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. I also like the basement in the movie is like unfinished. You know, very, I think what like a lot of West coasters think basements are- because fun fact, like people in California don't have basements, right? Because earthquakes, duh, you don't want, yeah, exactly. Like a lot of people on the West coast just don't have basements. And if they do, they're usually like those unfinished type of, you know, Kd (20:15) Neither do we. Cassidy (20:27) crawlspace -esque type basements. And so when I moved out here, and I would like tell stories about like, yeah, we were hanging out in my mom's basement. And they were like what? You would do that? And they'd be terrified of it. And I'm like, no, it's like a fini-, it looks like a living room. It's a very finished basement where you can hang out and have fun. Because in Iowa, you need a basement because tornadoes. So your basement is decided on what natural disaster you live in. Kd (20:28) Yeah, yeah, storage. Mm -hmm. Yes. Exactly. Correct. Cassidy (20:56) But anyways, the basement in the real house is finished. It's not creepy at all. It's just like a little rec room. Yeah. Kd (21:03) Yeah, had the exact same experience going to the Midwest for the first time and my husband telling me, yeah, we're just gonna sleep in the basement. I'm like, what the fuck we are? And we go and it's a fucking bedroom. Like, okay. Yeah, yeah. It's weird though that you would think that Arizona would have more basements because they're really cool. They're like cool, like temperature. They're also really cool. Cassidy (21:17) Yeah, it's just like a normal part of the house. Yeah. Yeah. And you guys don't really have like earthquakes, so it's not like a hazard. Kd (21:34) and we don't have earthquakes. I mean, we had the one. Cassidy (21:38) Yeah. Kd (21:39) About the time this movie came out. Cassidy (21:40) Really? Nice. Yeah, I don't know. Basements, Although to be fair, in my mom's house, well, her old house, the one I grew up in, in Iowa, it had a finished basement, but then it also had a crawl space, like connected to the basement. So you could open up this little hatch door, crawl in there. Yeah. Kd (22:01) Mm -mm. Nope. Cassidy (22:05) It had like cement flooring, but we just used it for storage. Like it wasn't, I don't know. It wasn't creepy. Yeah. Yeah. Kd (22:12) Interesting. Basements. We Cassidy (22:15) I did play with my Ouija board like multiple times in the crawl space though for added effect. Yeah, it's pretty fun. Nothing ever happened, but we had an attic too, but we didn't like go in it. If that makes sense. Kd (22:18) I bet you did. We have attics. Yeah, we can't go in ours. It's like 130 degrees. Cassidy (22:31) No. Kd (22:35) But if it was insulated. Cassidy (22:37) Then you can go in the attic. Kd (22:38) Then maybe you could go in there. Cassidy (22:41) Attics. Attics and basements. You tell us about your attic and or basement. Please, in the comments below, let us know what your basement looks like. Kd (22:42) Anyway. Please, in the comments below. Yeah. Cassidy (22:57) Um, back to the 1979 film, Jay Anson, who wrote the book, he also wrote out a screenplay for the film. And he was like, here you go. And the producers said, nope, we're good. And they hired Sandor Stern. Yeah. But I think it like in the book, from the overview that I was reading, Kd (23:11) How rude. Whatever. Cassidy (23:20) There was no mention of George turning on his family. So I don't know if that was just added to the movie or if that was in the book, but just not in the summary that I read. Kd (23:29) I don't know. Cassidy (23:30) Because that seems like kind of a wild thing to add. And if that did happen... It just makes you look like a really bad person. You're like, yeah, I took an axe to my kids, but it was the, you know, the house made me do it. And everyone else who lived in the house was like, I don't think the house made you do it. That's rough. Kd (23:41) Yeah, like how do you move on after that? Yeah, right? Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, that part's got to be for the movie. Cassidy (23:59) I think so. But it's interesting that they kept it... I mean, it's not that interesting that they kept it in the remake too, but... Because that does add to the scary. If it's just like, shit's going down in the house, but like, whatever. They just leave. That's not as scary as, someone in the house is so affected by it that they're gonna kill you. Kd (24:17) Yeah. Yeah. Just how do you like continue to live with that person after that happens? How do you let your kids live with that person after that happens? You don't. Yeah. Yeah. You don't. Cassidy (24:28) You don't. That's the secret is you don't. Yeah. Kd (24:35) Which kind of reminds me, it was the bathroom scene of the old movie, the 79 movie. That really like made me think everything that that movie tried to do, The Shining did better. That year, I think. I think it was the same year. I think so. But like that scene, the bathroom act scene, better in The Shining. The kind of like man's descent into madness was like a slower burn and just better Cassidy (24:49) Mm. That's it. Yeah. Kd (25:06) in The Shining, the blood coming out of the walls, the building being haunted, the kids being in communication with the entities. Like it's just... Anything this movie tried, The Shining did better. Cassidy (25:15) Yeah. Also, I looked it up. The Shining came out the year after. Kd (25:18) In 80. Interesting. Cassidy (25:19) Mm -hmm. Yeah. But, I mean, the book had already been written. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's like, like this movie is definitely considered a classic. Like people still talk about it when they talk about haunted house movies. Probably because it was a very early example of that type of movie. And obviously like based on a true story is always going to be a grabber. But I think there's a lot of haunted house movies that have done it better than this one. Yeah. Yeah. Kd (25:48) Totally. Yep, absolutely. We hadn't talked about it yet. New nepo baby acquired. Cassidy (25:56) Josh Brolin? Did you not know he was? Okay. Yeah. Kd (25:58) Josh Brolin? Nope. I had no idea. I saw that last name in the credits and I was like, my God, is that Josh's daddy? It sure is. God, I love a good nepo baby. Cassidy (26:06) Mm -hmm. Sure is. Yep. It's all of them, so. It's like every celebrity is a nepo baby at this point. Yeah. Kd (26:18) Yeah. Cassidy (26:21) I think like my last fun fact about the original is that the people who it's the fun fact says the current owners, but I don't know what time, like when that was written. So I don't know when the change actually occurred, but at some point, because of all the unwanted attention that like the books and the movies had given that house, the owners at the time replaced the windows that are like the evil eyes. And they just put regular, regular rectangle windows in there. Kd (26:52) Yeah. You can see the house on Zillow. It's very beautiful. They did a really good job with it. I like it. Cassidy (26:55) Mm -hmm. Yeah, I would live there. Kd (26:59) Totally. For $1 .4 million? Easy. Cassidy (27:03) Well... I don't have 1 .4 million dollars. What? It's haunted! Shouldn't it be cheaper? Kd (27:06) Don't even go that far. Yeah. Well, not yet! You would think. That's how we got into this mess. Cassidy (27:16) That's true. Kd (27:17) I've got one more about the old one. I'm surprised you didn't mention it. Ed and Lorraine Warren, Cassidy (27:19) Alright, hit me. What? Kd (27:24) the real people behind the characters in The Conjuring and Annabelle were involved in the real life investigation of the house and also served as demonology advisors for Amityville 2. Cassidy (27:27) Yeah. I'm gonna be honest. This is like semi -controversial. I just think they're frauds. So I don't really care about them at all. I don't even think that's that controversial of a thing. I think a lot of people in the horror community agree that they're absolutely frauds. Kd (27:39) Yeah. Yeah. But just, no. They, that they're frauds, Yeah, I mean, it's just grifters grifting grifters. Whatever. Cassidy (27:54) Yeah. Lucrative. I like it. Kd (27:57) Mm -hmm. Cassidy (28:01) All right, let's talk the remake. Okay. Kd (28:01) Well, totally, let's do it. Segue, George Lutz had beef with the studio while the remake was being made because he claimed that they didn't have the rights to tell his story without his input. Cassidy (28:12) Hahaha! Mmm. Okay. Kd (28:19) So there was some suing and counter suing that went down, but George died in the middle of it all, so it never got resolved. Cassidy (28:26) Interesting. Kd (28:28) Mm -hmm. Yeah, maybe the studio killed him. Cassidy (28:29) Huh. Well... For legal reasons, that was a joke. Kd (28:33) He died of a heart attack, but maybe the studio caused it. Yeah. Cassidy (28:45) couple casting things. Megan Fox auditioned for the role of Lisa the babysitter. Kind of glad she didn't involve herself in this. Well, I guess that she wasn't in it. Kd (28:55) Aww. She's been in worse horror movies. Or worse movies, not horror movies, worse movies. Cassidy (29:00) Name one. Okay. That's true. And then James Van Der Beek turned down the role of George Lutz. Kd (29:11) Who's that again? Cassidy (29:12) Dawson Creek himself. Kd (29:14) My god. Never seen Dawson's Creek. Cassidy (29:17) Me neither. I just know the crying meme. Kd (29:22) yeah! I know the crying meme. Cassidy (29:24) Yeah, it's okay. He thinks it's funny. Yeah, I could honestly- he could have done it. He was in a, yeah, he was in a two -part episode of Criminal Minds where he played a villain. He could do it. I would have watched this. Kd (29:32) What, the movie? Interesting. Yeah, Ryan Reynolds was a weird choice. Cassidy (29:43) I think back then it wasn't. Because he wasn't like Ryan Reynolds as we know him now. You know what I mean? Like this was 2005. He hadn't done as much. He wasn't like playing himself in every movie at that point. Kd (29:52) I guess. Yeah, that's true. Maybe that's a... I mean, I had a really hard time watching him in this movie, because it's like... Yeah, yeah. I was like, you're in The Proposal. What are you doing here? Cassidy (30:05) Yeah, because it's Ryan Reynolds. Yeah. I want to say The Proposal was like the movie that kind of put him into that typecast. Kd (30:19) Maybe, yeah. I mean, that was the first movie that I remember seeing him in that I like really enjoyed Cassidy (30:24) Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there was anything before that. Not really. Before that there were movies that like you probably watched, but The Proposal like was huge. Kd (30:33) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cassidy (30:34) So I feel like that was the one that kind of like pushed him into the like limelight. And then he started being in very Ryan Reynolds -esque roles. Yeah. Kd (30:44) Yeah. For the record, Good Luck Chuck is my favorite rom -com when I need to piss you off, but The Proposal is actually my favorite rom -com. That movie slaps. Betty White's incredible. Cassidy (30:55) Why would you wanna piss me off? Kd (30:57) Why wouldn't I? It's so fun! Cassidy (31:04) I'm not gonna lie, I watched The Proposal once because it was like everybody was like, this is so funny. It's so great. I didn't really like it. I know, yeah. Kd (31:13) Crazy. I loved it. I watched it with my grandma. Cassidy (31:17) Okay. Yeah, I don't know. It didn't do it for me, but I respect it. People do like that movie. It's better than Good Luck Chuck, for sure. It's no 10 Things I Hate About You, but you know, to each their own. Kd (31:26) Hey. Cassidy (31:33) It's the best romcom ever made. Kd (31:36) The Proposal's very good. Cassidy (31:38) Okay, have you still not even seen 10 Things I Hate About You? Yeah, that's what I fucking thought. So, you don't even know good rom -coms yet. Kd (31:48) Eventually, I'll watch it eventually. Cassidy (31:52) with me on our wedding night. Kd (31:53) Sure. Yup. That's about when I'd watch it anyway, Cassidy (32:06) I'm kidding. Kidding, I could never marry someone who hadn't seen that movie. I think this is Chloe Grace Moretz's first film. Kd (32:18) my god. First film. Cassidy (32:27) Great, thank you for reiterating. And she was only eight years old, but she did most of her own stunts. Kd (32:28) Hahaha Stunts. Cassidy (32:35) She was walking on a roof and had to fall off of it. Kd (32:36) yeah, you're right. my God, you're so right. I forgot all about that. Cassidy (32:41) I think you could tell too that like, she kind of hurt herself there. Cause when she falls down and he like pulls her back, you can tell that his chin hits her on the back of the head and she like grabs it. And then he like puts his hand on it cause I think he realized too. Yeah. Kd (32:45) yeah! Aww. Poor thing. Which reminds me, I'm pretty sure that James Brolin bonks his noggin when he falls through the floor into the black goo. I'm pretty sure, like I watched it a couple times and it definitely looks like he bonks his noggin. But back to Ryan Reynolds and Chloe Grace Moretz. Cassidy (33:10) The... Yeah, I'd believe it. Kd (33:26) Weird like method acting thing: Ryan Reynolds chose not to get to know the kids on set at all So much so that the kids thought that he hated them. Which is really sad and like not how we do films in today's day and age it feels like. But he felt like it would be easier for him to engage in like the abusive behavior of the character exhibits and kind of the back half of the film. Cassidy (33:31) Mmm. Yeah. I've said it once, say it a million times, like, you're an actor. That's your job. If you can't do it, maybe you're just not acting material. Kd (34:04) Yeah. Like if it takes that much to get into character than just play a different character. Cassidy (34:10) Yeah, just, well, he did. He just, he just plays himself now. He took your advice. And he's a millionaire, so. Kd (34:11) Yeah, he does now. Yep. Which honestly, Yeah, he's really good at playing himself. He is really good at Cassidy (34:25) If you need someone to play Ryan Reynolds, he's your guy. Kd (34:28) Yeah. Cassidy (34:28) Easy as pie. Kd (34:30) Yeah, but that's just like a stark contrast. I don't know if you've seen any of the like photos of behind the scenes of House of the Dragon right now. There's a really dark scene involving several children in House of the Dragon. And there's some really sweet photos of the child actors and the cast of spoiler alert, the people that kill the children. And like that's what I would expect. I would expect more of like, you build the relationship so that the kids aren't fucking traumatized during the filming. Cassidy (35:08) Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope Ryan Reynolds has learned his lesson. Kd (35:19) What else? Cassidy (35:20) For the whole babysitter segment, they had originally made like a rubber door for the closet door. And then they were like, that looks weird, get rid of it. So they put the real door on. And then the actress Rachel Nichols basically just had to like bang her hands for two days straight on an actual door. Two days, they filmed that. Kd (35:45) Wait, is she in P2? Or did I make that up? She's in something. Cassidy (35:52) Ooh. Kd (35:55) I just made that connection. She's looking, Your Honor. Cassidy (35:59) That is her. Wait, that is her, right? I haven't found it yet, but I'm like, wait, yeah, looking at her face, I'm like, that's her, right? P2, yeah? Kd (36:01) Isn't my god! Aw, fun little callback. Cassidy (36:11) Yeah, we did that early this year. That's funny, because when I saw her come onto the scene, I was like, I know her from something. And I opened up her IMDb at that point. And I was just looking through a few things. And I was like, I don't see anything. And I clicked out. And I didn't scroll all the way back for me to. But that, it's all coming together. That's probably what I recognized her from. Kd (36:34) Yeah. Yeah, no, I was the same way watching the movie. was like, my God, you look really familiar, but didn't put together until right now. Cassidy (36:36) Yes. Mm -hmm. Yeah. They also apparently, yeah. And then apparently too they found out that she has like a really long tongue on set and that's why they decided to do the KISS poster in - there was going to be a different band and they were like put KISS on there because she could do the thing. Kd (36:43) But poor thing. Why was she doing the thing? Cassidy (37:02) I don't know. She's a fucking weirdo. No, I'm just kidding. Kd (37:05) For legal purposes, that's a joke. Cassidy (37:08) That was a joke. Kd (37:13) The score at the beginning of the remake was just fucking trying too hard. It really took me out of the film. was like, what the fuck? It was trying to like build tension or set a tone that it didn't need to set. It didn't need to be established at the point that it was trying. I don't know, I hated it. And then that's just crazy because the original movie was nominated for an Academy Award for its score. Cassidy (37:17) Mm -hmm. Yeah. Okay. The original, yeah. Not the remake. Kd (37:41) Yeah, but I mean, you would think that it would be as important to them to have a really good score. Cassidy (37:49) You would think wrong. Kd (37:53) Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. You know me. Cassidy (37:59) I do. Yeah. I've met you a few times. Kd (38:02) Unfortunately. For you. Cassidy (38:03) Jesus. Ryan Reynolds wore special contact lenses to make his eyes seem like black with just a white ring around them. They're kind of like really super dilated. I feel like you could tell too, his eyes looked a little red. Throughout some of it. Kd (38:23) Well, yeah, I mean, definitely there was something funky going on with his eyes. Cassidy (38:27) Yeah, yeah, but it worked for the character. Kd (38:30) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it did. Cassidy (38:32) Yeah. Kd (38:33) There's a scene in the basement where George is in the basement, Ryan Reynolds is in the basement, and Gollum from Lord of the Rings makes an appearance. Cassidy (38:41) Yep. Kd (38:48) I didn't even see it, if I'm being honest. I just saw it in the fun facts after the facts. That could be a lie. Cassidy (38:53) I didn't either, but I think that they're talking about the ghost thing that resembles Gollum. I don't think it's actually Gollum. I think just, the guy kinda looks like Gollum. Kd (39:01) Let me look at Gollum in Amityville Horror. Cassidy (39:06) Yeah, because I remember what part they were talking about and it's just like the ghost that's been in that house. Yeah, he kind of looks like Gollum, but it's not Gollum. It's just like, he just kind of looks like him. Yeah, sorry. Kd (39:21) Sad. Yeah, I'm not seeing anything. Cassidy (39:24) Yeah, I think I know what part. Because it like turns and looks at him too, kind of like in a Gollum-y way. But it's, yeah. Does kind of look like Gollum. Kd (39:35) I'm not gonna lie, the scene in the basement really messed with me. I didn't like a lot of that. So I probably wasn't watching. Cassidy (39:40) Okay, yeah. Yeah, well, sorry. Kd (39:44) That's okay. It is what it is. I'm used to it. I'm used to it. I just look away. Cassidy (39:46) Great Whatever works. You're not really getting the full experience then huh? You always like this movie was a one out of five scary, and you didn't watch half of it. Kd (39:59) Well, it's not that I'm not watching the scary stuff, I'm not watching the fucked up stuff. Cassidy (40:05) Mmm. Yeah. My last fun fact about the remake is that Chloe Grace Moretz was too young to watch the movie when it came out, so she didn't get to see it. But when it was released to DVD, they gave her like a super cut of all of her scenes so that she could watch herself, but she couldn't see everything else. Kd (40:25) Aww, cute. Cassidy (40:28) Yeah. Yeah. Kd (40:31) I mean, she has to watch her performance so she can know what to improve on next time. Cassidy (40:35) Well, she's eight, so. Kd (40:36) She's a working girl. Cassidy (40:36) Hahaha Any other fun facts from you? Kd (40:43) I don't think so. There was surprisingly not a lot of material out there for the new movie, for as, quote, successful as it was. Cassidy (40:52) All right, do we want to rate it? Okay, should we start with the original? Kd (40:54) Let's rate it. Yeah, how scary did you think it was? Cassidy (41:00) One out of five. Kd (41:02) okay. Cassidy (41:02) I don't really have anything for that, it just didn't scare me, I don't know. Kd (41:05) Okay. I mean, it's a tone thing. It's product of its time, for sure. Cassidy (41:08) Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was kind of funny, but I didn't think it was that scary. What about you? Okay. Yeah. Kd (41:15) Well, I gave it a 2. It was a little scary. I didn't like I just don't like it when kids are in danger. Cassidy (41:23) Makes sense. Yeah. Kd (41:24) Unlike somebody. Cassidy (41:29) I'm sick of defending myself on this podcast. Kd (41:31) Haha! Yeah. Cassidy (41:36) How sexy did you think it was? Kd (41:38) I gave it at 1 .5. Cassidy (41:40) Okay. Kd (41:40) There were some boobies and James Brolin's not hard to look at. Even in his little mania. Yeah, it was, yeah. And I mean, it's a haunted house. It's not unsexy. Cassidy (41:45) Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Exactly. Kd (41:56) What'd you give it? okay, yeah. Cassidy (41:57) I gave it a two. I thought both the leads were nice to look at. James Brolin, kind of a zaddy. Margot Kidder, knockout. I'm into it. Kd (42:05) Yeah. Yeah. You want to know something crazy though? I don't think he was like zaddy age when he was... I think he was a little bit younger than you think he was. Cassidy (42:15) No, I mean, he was playing the dad, so... Kd (42:22) But Zaddy is like a little older. Yeah, Zaddy's like teenage kids, at least. Cassidy (42:24) Yeah, Zaddy's like, he's like a zaddy now. Yeah, he was 39 when this came out. Kd (42:37) Okay, borderline. Borderline, zaddy, but mostly just daddy. Cassidy (42:41) Yeah, kind of just daddy. Kd (42:43) I think 45 and older. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. mean, somebody's got to. We can't just be throwing around these terms. Cassidy (42:43) Well, whatever. that's Zaddy territory? Great. Glad we've established that. That's true. We have to have order somehow. Kd (42:56) Yeah. god. How fucked up did you think it was? Cassidy (43:05) I gave the original one. It wasn't... It wasn't that fucked up. Again, a product of its time, right? How crazy can it be? What about you? Yeah. Kd (43:13) Yeah. Yeah. I gave it a one. It just, you know, we hadn't broken the barrier yet. We weren't ready to start fucking things up. Cassidy (43:21) We Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, overall, what did you think of the 1979 version of The Amityville Horror? Kd (43:36) I didn't hate it. It also wasn't good. So I gave it a 2 .5, right down the middle. Cassidy (43:40) Yeah. Great! Yeah! Kd (43:48) It, it, I would watch it again. Like I would make somebody watch this just to be like, this is like one of the original haunted house movies. Cassidy (43:56) Yeah. Yeah? Kd (43:57) The acting was good. Most of it. Some of it. A couple people. The effects weren't terrible. I actually really liked the subtlety. They didn't even like... They didn't linger on it of her turning into the old lady. That was like, what? Ten frames? I liked that a lot and it looked really good. Cassidy (44:09) Mm -hmm. Kd (44:20) Some of the effects were fine, but yeah, two and a half. What about you? Cassidy (44:29) I give it a two. It's just too long. And it was Kd (44:32) It wasn't that long. It 115 minutes. Cassidy (44:38) It's almost two hours. Kd (44:39) A hundred and fifteen minutes. Calm down. Cassidy (44:47) Still, almost two hours is too long. There was so much with the priests happening, I was like, cut all that shit out, we don't need that. It was just kind of boring. It was kind of funny. I'll give it that. I didn't think the acting was very good, I'm sorry. It's also kind of like a product of its time, Yeah, I don't know, it's just, it's not the best movie. It's not. Yeah. Kd (45:03) I didn't mind it. Well, I liked it more than you, and that's fine. Cassidy (45:16) You did, just by half a point. Don't get all snooty on me. That's fair. What about the remake though? Kd (45:19) That's 10%. I like to 10 % more than you. What, want me to give you my overall or do you want to start at scary? Cassidy (45:32) Let's start at the beginning. Kd (45:35) Okay, how scary did you think the 2005 version of The Amityville Horror was starring Ryan Reynolds? Cassidy (45:43) I give it a 1 .5. I don't think it's scary now. I do remember being scared of it when I was 13. There's a lot more jump scares that happen. So yeah, of a little bit creepy. Yeah, what about you? Kd (45:56) I also gave it a 1.5. Cassidy (45:58) Yeah, it's a little bit creepy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple of scares. Kd (45:59) It's just, yeah, it's just, yeah, a little creepy. Yeah. Not as good creepy or good jump scare as, for example, Haunting of Hill House. Cassidy (46:14) No, those, but that's because they use their jump scares effectively. This movie, just every single scene has a jump scare. After like the first four, I was like, all right, they're just happening now. So I can't, they don't scare me anymore. And that's why I didn't get higher. How sexy did you think it was? Kd (46:32) I gave this one a 1 .5 Cassidy (46:33) Okay. For his abs? Kd (46:34) well, no, that I did. I'm not really into a like really muscular man and he was a little overly muscular. I like about him in The Proposal is that he's like attainable. You know, he's like, he's not like, like, you know. Cassidy (46:43) Yeah. Mm -hmm. Yeah, there was no reason for him to be this ripped. And there was also no reason for them to show his abs as much as they did. Kd (46:55) Yeah. No. Yeah, as much as they did like what was Cassidy (47:05) This one's for the girlies, I guess. Kd (47:07) Yeah, and I'm just not one of those, I guess. but I mean, it's still some in the haunted house vibe and there's some like spooky ghosts and yeah, What'd you give it? Cassidy (47:19) I give it a two, same as the original. Because I think Melissa George is attractive and I get what they were going for with Ryan Reynolds. I also kind of agree that like the abs were a bit much for me. But a girl's a girl and when he came out of that water with those low rise pajamas on, I'm not saying it didn't do nothing for me. Kd (47:42) Well, that makes one of us. I just, I, okay, I really like his wife. Cassidy (47:55) Yeah. Kd (47:56) So I think that that ruins him for me. Cassidy (48:02) Okay, you know you don't like know her personally. You can find her husband attractive. No offense, you're a beautiful, funny, intelligent woman. You're not a threat. I don't think Blake Lively stays up at night thinking, what if kd takes my man? Kd (48:02) You know what I mean? I know. I know. But it's ju - I know. That's not what I mean. I just mean I think it ruins it for me. Like he's just like very in a very committed relationship that yeah, so he's not accessible. Cassidy (48:28) That's fair. He's taken. Yeah. Got it. Kd (48:40) Yeah, a relationship that I hope to succeed, for the sake of their four beautiful children. Betty, James, Inez, and the other one that we don't know their name yet. Cassidy (48:48) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible. I love how he's accessible, but hasn't James Brolin been married to Barbra Streisand since like the 90s? Kd (49:11) Are you telling me that Josh Brolin's mom is Barbara Streisand? Okay. Cassidy (49:17) No, that was from a previous marriage. He was not... Josh Brolin is not a 90s baby. I don't know. He's a little older. Kd (49:25) yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah, he's a little older. You're right. My nepo baby loving mind was about to be absolutely exploded. I was about to lose my fucking mind. Cassidy (49:38) Yeah, no. But I'm pretty sure they've been married since like the 90s. So he's been in a longer committed relationship, but you're allowed to say he's hot because you don't like Barbra Streisand. My God. Kd (49:42) Crazy. I don't like Barbara Streisand as much. Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Reynolds is hot. It's just like, just, doesn't, he doesn't do it for me. You know what I mean? Cassidy (49:51) Tell that to her face. That's fair. Yeah, 100%. Kd (50:04) Yeah, it's just like, yeah, you know? Cassidy (50:06) Yeah. I think that's why like he's a little bit more attractive to me in this movie than he is in like more recent stuff. You know what I mean? It's like Chris Evans. Like once he started doing Captain America, Chris Evans is not attractive to me at all. But you throw on Push and I'm like, he's kind of hot. You got to go back to their gritty era, era, era, like before they were super famous, you know, there's something about 'em. Kd (50:24) I Cassidy (50:32) That little spark, that little fire. Yeah. Kd (50:35) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair. He was married to Scarlett Johansson during this, Ryan Reynolds. Cassidy (50:41) I don't like her. Kd (50:42) Really? I don't like her, I just like her, I don't have an opinion. Cassidy (50:47) I'm not a fan. Kd (50:50) Neither was he. Cassidy (50:50) She's another Woody Allen defender. Another I should be able to play Asian people type of white person. Yeah. When she was cast in Ghost in the Shell. Kd (50:53) Ew, gross. Ew, what? That's right. Cassidy (51:03) Yeah. She just seems tone deaf to me. Anyways. Kd (51:06) She sued Disney. Cassidy (51:07) Great. For what? Kd (51:10) Uhhh, some contract dispute. Cassidy (51:12) Well, that's not as fun. Kd (51:13) Well, uh, how fucked up did you think it was? The 2005 Amityville Horror. Cassidy (51:19) I give it a 1 .5 because I don't like the The finger in the bullet hole. That was a bit much. Yeah. What about you? Kd (51:27) Yeah, that was a lot. I also gave it a 1 .5, but maybe I should give it a 2 because the basement scene also. I forgot about the bullet hole until you just brought it up. I tried to block that out. So I'm gonna give it a 2 for the basement scene because the hooks, I don't like hooks and skin. Yeah, and uh, the bullet hole. Cassidy (51:36) Okay. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, sorry. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. Did say blowhole? Amazing. Thank you. Kd (51:51) Bullet hole. It kinda looked like a blowhole. Hole was blown. Cassidy (52:02) It was. No denying that. Kd (52:07) Gross. Cassidy (52:08) Alright, overall, remake. Hit me. Kd (52:12) I'll give it a 1 .5. I liked it a lot less. Score sucked. Dialogue sucked. Ryan Reynolds, sorry. You sucked. Cassidy (52:19) Yeah. Kd (52:22) It's just not good. It's about time we got a clunker. Cassidy (52:25) I know, I thought it was funny because when I said that I looked ahead and I was like, what is my next clunk- Because I joked about putting more clunkers on the list. But I looked ahead and I was like, we got one coming up. Kd (52:32) Mm -hmm. Nice. Way to go. What did you give it? Cassidy (52:37) Yeah. I agree. This is a clunker, but I gave it a two. I gave them both twos. I think they're both just kind of bad movies. This is a bad remake of a bad movie. It's like, all right, you can just sit there in your badness. Know what mean? Yeah. Kd (52:43) okay. Yeah. Yeah. I did enjoy the first one more than the... the newer one. Cassidy (52:59) Okay. See, I kept going back and forth because there's things about the first one that I like better. But then it's so long. The second one's the perfect length. Hour and a half? Every movie should be an hour and a half. Come on. So I'm like, if I have to sit through one of them, I'll probably pick that one. It's shorter. Kd (53:09) Yeah, 90 minutes. True. Yeah, if I'm being honest though, I think the second one felt longer to me because I had just watched it. I had just watched the first one and it was like, yeah, and it was like, my God, I just watched this, it's literally the same. And that was another thing is like they took no creative liberties, they just did the exact same movie. Cassidy (53:22) Mmm. Uhhh, you watched them back to back? Yeah, the only thing they did differently was killing the dog. Yeah. Yeah. Kd (53:39) Kill the dog, like what the fuck? It doesn't fly in 2024. Maybe in 2025. it did, but you kill a dog, you're over. Cassidy (53:47) Well, 2025 is next year, so we'll find out. 2005. It definitely flew in 2005. That was peak killing the dog in horror movies time. Now I feel like we're back on track of like not killing the dogs. Kd (53:50) Well, I mean, Yeah, yeah, Cassidy (54:03) All right, would you survive? They're basically the same movie, so either one. Kd (54:07) Yeah, nobody dies. Cassidy (54:09) Yeah. Nobody died? Well, nobody in the present story dies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kd (54:15) Yeah, yeah, I mean, the family before it gets murdered. Everybody dies. But yeah, no, I'm living. I'm living. It's like whatever, you know? You're living? Cassidy (54:26) Mm -hmm. Yeah, what's gonna kill me? George Lutz? I'm... Fuck. Yeah, no. Also, you know my biggest complaint about these types of movies are? Kd (54:28) Yeah, there's like no question. Ryan Reynolds! yeah. What types of movies? Explain first. Cassidy (54:47) I will do that now because that's what I was going to do. Kd (54:49) Okay. Okay. Thank you. Cassidy (54:54) So like, the whole like supernatural based on a true story movie, whatever, fine. If you wanna do it, fine. The Conjuring, fine, whatever, right? Nobody got hurt. It's like, it's just a haunted house story. You can either believe that it happened or you don't have to believe that it happened. But in this case, I don't like it because there is a real story, right? Like people died. This, guy actually killed his family, not George, but the guy before them. And so, that's what I don't like about it, because then you're making this movie and basically saying, like giving that person an out, right? Like you're saying, well, the house was haunted. The demons do possess the dad, right? So it's like, like George Lutz is a prime example of why this guy killed his whole family. No, he just killed his family. And we're not going to give him an out. We're not going to do the whole the devil made him do it thing. He killed his family. And it's disservice to the victims to give him that out and that's why I don't like this type of movie. Kd (55:56) Yeah, that's fair. Cassidy (55:58) Yeah, I have beef with another movie that I'm sure we'll watch eventually, they do the same fucking thing and I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Kd (56:05) Well. to that one father's point. Half of people say, the devil made me do it. In the, in the 79 movie, one of the fathers, one of the priests says that like half of murderers. Cassidy (56:17) yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought, but they don't actually. And most of them are, you know, go through psychological screenings where they're proven, like you have to be proven sane to like go on trial, right? I also don't believe that half of murderers say that the devil made them do that. That feels like a made -up thing for the movie. Kd (56:37) I mean, it was an exaggeration, I'm sure. Cassidy (56:41) A great exaggeration. A large one. But yeah, I don't like it. Don't give them excuses. Don't justify it. Anyways, that's my rant. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Alright, are you ready to predict next week's movie? Alright, do know what it is? Alright. We're gonna watch Ready or Not. Kd (57:03) Ready or Not. Cassidy (57:06) Ready or Not. Kd (57:07) Okay, this is a horror comedy. Cassidy (57:11) Okay. Kd (57:12) It's a horror comedy of a group of friends who are on a friend trip in the woods. Like Alpine. Cassidy (57:25) Mm -hmm. Of course. Mm. Kd (57:32) Like luxury Alpine woods, know? Like in that one season of The Bachelorette, or it might have been The Bachelor, it doesn't matter. They, yeah. I think it was R, what does it mean? R, either way. It doesn't matter. Like luxury like Colorado, Alpine, know? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Aspen with Cassidy (57:34) Right. I'm not gonna help you on that, I've never seen that show. I don't Like Aspen. Yeah. Yeah. Kd (57:59) like a cabin and then like a hot tub that like you can see out into the woods anyway. They are like hanging out getting drunk. They're getting bored of getting drunk. So what they decide to do is play a drunken game of hide and seek. Cassidy (58:01) Right. Of course, ready or not. Kd (58:18) Ready or not, here I come. Cassidy (58:19) And then they come. Kd (58:20) Yeah, that's what it would imply. But no, they start playing hide and seek and little do they know there's a murderer that's been watching them. Cassidy (58:24) That's what it was like. Yeah. Ugh. My gosh, what? Kd (58:36) Yeah, and so as they're hiding, they just get kind of picked off one by one. Cassidy (58:44) Okay, who's the murderer? Kd (58:45) Yeah. Just a guy. Cassidy (58:48) Okay, not like, it's not like a whodunit in the friend group, it's just something random. Kd (58:55) That would be more fun if it was a friend group who done it. I mean, I hope it's that, but in my movie it's not. It's a little bit more boring. It's just like a random guy. Yeah, I think he like escaped from prison, kind of like a Michael Myers kind of thing, but Aspen, Colorado instead. Cassidy (58:59) I don't, it's your movie. Okay. It's a random guy. Mm. Got it. Okay, does anybody live? Kd (59:18) No, I mean, yeah, yeah, the killer, the killer is killed. And two of the friends survive by killing him. Out of the like seven that show up to the friend vacation. Cassidy (59:21) Wow. okay. Alright. Nice. Great. Kd (59:35) Yeah. And their names are Charlie and Kayla. Cassidy (59:40) Mm -hmm. Charlie and Kayla? Okay, great. Kd (59:47) Mm -hmm. Yeah, it's a boy and a And not once does anybody say ready or not in the film. Cassidy (59:51) Not once. Wow, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kd (59:56) Yeah, it's crazy. It's implied. Cassidy (59:59) Cool. No. Sorry. It is a horror comedy. And hide and seek is played. Ready or not. Kd (1:00:07) Good. So I'm like really not that far off. Cassidy (1:00:15) Not as far off of you as you've been. Yeah, yeah. Kd (1:00:19) Good. I mean, I got the premise of the movie. Cassidy (1:00:20) Kind of, yeah. They are playing hide and seek. Kd (1:00:22) They're playing hide and seek. Through the whole movie? Cassidy (1:00:28) Kind of. You'll see. Well, no. No, they know. Kd (1:00:28) Not on purpose? Do they not know they're playing hide and seek? Yikes. Cassidy (1:00:36) They are aware that they are playing hide and seek, yes. Kd (1:00:40) Okay, Cassidy (1:00:40) And the rest of it I'll just have you go in for. See you down here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cool. I'm excited. Kd (1:00:45) Okay, I'm looking forward to Me too. Cassidy (1:00:53) Awesome. Well, thanks everybody for listening. We appreciate the support. Kd (1:00:58) We will see you next Tuesday. Cassidy (1:01:02) She spelled it out with her hands for everybody listening. Nope. No, no, no, it's fine. We get it. All right, cool. We'll see you then. Bye. Kd (1:01:05) Not even in sign language. I could do that too. Bye. Don't forget to like and subscribe.