Nicolas Cage and Maika Monroe star in the brand new horror crime thriller Longlegs, directed by Oz Perkins. We explain that wild ending and give our honest review of what outlets are calling “the scariest movie of the decade.”
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Hello?
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Hi.
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I screamed, sorry.
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you yelled a little bit.
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Sorry, I'll go back here.
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Hi, happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday, welcome back to Killer Cuties Podcast.
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You usually get to say that part, I wanted to this time, yeah.
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Yeah, I snatched it right up from under you.
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horror news.
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Alright, take us away.
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Alright, Sam Raimi.
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Raimi?
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That guy, you know.
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Evil Dead guy.
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He's coming back to horror with a movie called Send Help.
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It's set on an island and it's described as a mix between Misery and Cast Away.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, very interesting.
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It's not green -lighted yet.
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Green lit.
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Green lit.
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But Deadline reported that it's all but confirmed.
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So it's like basically confirmed.
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And then the script is written by the same guy that wrote Baywatch.
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So that could be fun.
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That's a lot of elements.
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Misery, Cast Away, Baywatch.
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All vibes.
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I'm into it.
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yeah.
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I'm excited.
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Warner Brothers has set a release date for the fourth installment of the Conjuring
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series.
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It's supposed to come out September 5th of next year, 2025.
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And Maika Chavez is the director and he's done a few others in the franchise as
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well.
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He did The Nun 2 and The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It, which was the third
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one.
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them.
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Yeah, I don't want to be rude, but those are not the best installments in this
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franchise.
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So I can't say I'm super excited, especially because me and the Conjuring:
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The Devil Made Me Do It have personal beef.
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Not really, but like I have beef and so it's personal, just like me and Jared
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Leto.
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So like it's on sight.
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Like I hate that movie.
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So sorry, I probably shouldn't say that to you because it's going to like sully your-
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hopefully by the time we ever watch it, you'll have forgotten that I said that.
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But anyways.
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literally don't even know what movie you're talking about already.
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I hate it.
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Anyways, so yeah, September 5th.
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Woo!
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Well, September 29th of next year, we also get The Bride, which is a Frankenstein and
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his bride movie starring Maggie Gyllenhaal and Christian Bale as Frankenstein.
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my god.
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Batman reunion?
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Obsessed.
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So fun.
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Cool, September, big time next year apparently.
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Yeah, yeah, next year.
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This year, calm down.
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Next year, slapping.
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Maybe.
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I don't know, know, it'll get pushbacked.
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Yeah.
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You're gonna eat those words.
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Yeah, I always do.
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last bit of news for me.
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#AMFAD: All My Friends Are Dead,
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hahahaha
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is an upcoming slasher that's supposed to release on August 2nd.
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I've never heard of it.
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Apparently it's getting a limited theatrical and a VOD release on that day.
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A short summary of it, yeah, is a group of close college friends get a steal on a
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killer Airbnb for the biggest musical festival of the year.
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A weekend of partying quickly turns to the worst.
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And as the group is murdered one by one, they soon discover that each of their
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deaths correctly corresponds to one of the deadly sins.
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Anyways, I'm gonna be honest, sounds terrible, but the only reason I bring it
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up is because it's gonna star the one and only JoJo Siwa.
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You're joking.
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You're Jo-joking.
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I'm Jo-serious.
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Yeah, there's a trailer for it, so you can see dream guest on our podcast trailer.
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She's in it, there's already footage of her acting in it.
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I think she's in the trailer, yeah.
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Her face is in it.
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I didn't watch it, if I'm being honest, because I found out about three minutes
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before we started this.
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But yeah, no, I got really excited.
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Also, I drove by Studio Siwa today, so.
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Cute!
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I did see that.
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yep, right here in Burbank.
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Dancing her heart out.
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another thing to not look forward to.
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I'm gonna watch it.
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Well, of course.
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I do, I do really, it should not be understated.
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I do love a VOD release, because I cannot be asked to go to the theater.
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Ever since I got the AMC list, the A -list thing or whatever, I kinda like it.
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Cause it's free.
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Well, it's not free.
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It's not, but like, I've been averaging like $5 per movie.
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I've been going to a lot of movies, so.
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I've been getting my money's worth.
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Yeah.
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Alright, so today we are talking about Longlegs.
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New movie in theaters now.
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So I'm gonna kick us off with a little bit of a movie review and an overview of the
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movie as a whole.
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FBI agent Lee Harker, played by Maika Monroe, is assigned to an unsolved serial
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killer case that takes an unexpected turn revealing evidence of the occult.
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Harker discovers a personal connection to the killer and must stop him before he
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strikes again.
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That's from Google.
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This was written and directed by Osgood Perkins.
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We've talked about him before and his connection to Anthony Perkins.
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It stars Maika Monroe as Lee Harker and Nicolas Cage as Dale Cobble or Longlegs.
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Currently has an 88 % critic score, a 68 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes and a 7
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.5 on IMDb.
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Crazy.
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It's also rumored to have only had a $3 million budget and it's had a really
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successful opening weekend.
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It's already made $20 million and it's been out for two
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Yeah, I think it was...
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was it number two at the box office?
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Yep.
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It's only below Despicable Me 4, which is...
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Yeah, I mean, come on.
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People fucking love minions.
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Yeah, they do.
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Yeah.
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And it's really the only kids movie out right now.
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So if you're going to the theater with your kids, you're going to see Despicable
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Me.
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That's fair.
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Yeah.
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And if you're not going to see a movie with your kids, you're going to see
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Longlegs, clearly.
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Yeah.
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I will say,
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I did see this twice.
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I have reason for it.
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But yes, I went to see it Thursday when it- like first day I could.
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Theater was packed, obviously.
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And then even when I went to see it this morning, theater was still very, very
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full.
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But yeah, I guess should I say why I saw it twice.
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Yeah, why did you say twice?
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I thought that's where you were going with that.
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And then you just stopped talking.
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I was just trying to explain that was very full, like the theaters were popping, but
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yeah, then I kind of revealed that I saw it.
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But the reason I did was because there's this scene at the end where they flashback
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to Lee sitting in her room and there's this like shadow of the devil behind her,
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right?
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Like the horns and it kind of almost fades into view for the audience.
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There was another scene where I had thought that I had seen the shadow and I
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was
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Did I actually?
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And then I wanted to go back and I found many more instances of him in the
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background.
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And so was, yeah, I was just kind of like looking for that and I'm sure there were
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more.
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But if you missed it, you can see the horns in the background when Lee is
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listening to the 911 call at the very beginning when she's got all the papers
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spread out, it shows him in the back.
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It's mainly just the horns that I saw that time.
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And then when Longlegs is reading in the basement, this was a scene I was like
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pretty sure I was like, that's it, right?
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Because it changes angles to like the thing and then you can see him coming
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towards him.
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After Lee hears the gunshot at her mom's house, when she moves into the other room,
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you can see him in the window behind her.
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Then obviously in the flashback, which was the most obvious one.
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And then at the very end when Carter invites her in and then shuts the door,
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you can see it in the reflection of the door as well.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I saw all of those.
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Yeah, I'm actually genuinely surprised that you didn't see all of them because I,
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you know, I specifically commented on how good the cinematography was that it just
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kind of like drew your eye there.
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So it's funny that you didn't have the same experiences I did
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No, I think the two I was like, yeah, okay.
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And then the rest I wanted to go back and see more.
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Were there other ones that you saw?
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There are probably five or six of them.
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How many did you just say?
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I said five.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Cause I went on Reddit and people were saying it was in other scenes too.
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And I don't remember seeing them in any others, but.
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There's at least five, probably more.
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Yeah.
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But interesting.
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I kind of like that when they do that.
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Mm -hmm.
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Yeah.
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For me, mean, it would it- It didn't take away from the like true crime feel of the
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movie at all.
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Because it was
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I mean, I don't know if now is the best time to talk about it, but I mean, I my
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feelings about what this movie is about.
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Is that what we're doing?
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Are we explaining it now?
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Do we explain the movie now?
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All right.
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All right.
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I mean, I don't know if this is right, but I saw this film as like an allegory of
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religion or some other kind of ideology that has a leader.
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Even like politics would kind of fit under that where Longlegs is obviously
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representing the leader.
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The mother is one of the like disciples.
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And then the dolls, again, this is just to me, represented the kind of dangerous
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ideas that can be delivered by someone seemingly harmless that then take root and
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cause harm and hate and fear and like ultimately self -destruction.
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That's kind of how I saw the whole movie.
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And I forgot where I was going with this.
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so to me, it was a very
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Lighthearted isn't the right word, but like a very small representation of that
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like hate.
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The devil.
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That like a black smokey figure.
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Mmm.
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Lurking.
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Alright.
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Yeah, I think that's fair.
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Thank you.
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I see it as Osgood Perkins has mommy issues.
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Yeah.
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Fair.
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And he has every right to.
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Yeah, I think him and Nicholas came both like dedicated this to their mom, which is
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a crazy thing to do.
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Considering who the mom is in this.
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Yeah, well, Nick said that his performance was inspired by his mother, which is, I
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don't know if it's worse to be inspired by the mother in the film or by Longlegs.
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Yeah.
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He also said that there's a character from Juliet of the Spirits.
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Yeah, Juliet of the Spirits is a 1965 comedy drama.
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There's some sort of like androgynous priest character in it.
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The voice specifically of Longlegs was inspired by that.
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Okay, which voice?
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The Longlegs voice.
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Yeah, he does like three.
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Well, I don't know.
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I feel like he does when he's like talking to the kid.
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Well, I guess Lee when she's a kid.
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When he's talking to her, it's that very like almost high pitched like cuckoo, you
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know, type of weird voice.
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But then in the interview, he actually does like the one moment where I felt like
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he actually scared me where he like has his like low look and he's like got that
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gravelly deep voice and it's like almost like that.
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And then he's just got his Nick Cage voice
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when he's singing and yelling in his car.
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Yeah.
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Those were the three voices that I felt were happening.
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Well, the Nick Cage voice for me was the character putting on a voice.
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That wasn't the character's voice.
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The character's voice for me was that kind of like high pitched falsetto.
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was more of his affected void.
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Because when he's alone in the car yelling, when he's like doing that yell,
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like that was a very Cage moment.
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And I think those were the only moments that like took me out of his performance a
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little bit.
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Like I was really hoping that this was gonna be like, so this is his second
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collaboration with Neon and his first one was Pig.
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And I think he's fantastic at Pig.
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I think that's one of, if not his best performances.
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And was kind of hoping in this one, I would be like, I wouldn't see him at all
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in it, right?
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Like it would be that, like good of a character acting.
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And I, there were parts where I was like, eh, Cage went Cage.
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He did his Cage thing and it took me out.
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The scene in the car, especially, was that.
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But, I mean, had that scene not been in it, I don't think that scene added
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anything to the character at all.
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No, I think it just kind of like played into mirroring between that and then later
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when Lee is like screaming in the car.
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It's like almost mirrored.
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Yeah.
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yeah.
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But other than that, even that, don't think was deep enough that it really
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needed to.
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But I think when he sang to the mom, too.
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That was also, that felt Cage to me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, and what's funny is that Nick specifically said that he was so excited
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to play a character where he was unrecognizable because how liberating that
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would feel.
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yes, they're just to your point.
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Yeah.
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There's Nick Cage.
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you went and did Cage again.
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Yeah, there's a there's a YouTube video.
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It's like, I don't know, probably three and half minutes long called Nicholas Cage
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losing his shit.
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I have that entire video memorized.
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The entire thing.
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I'll do it for you sometime.
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It's a fun party trick to just like do it like this and then go behind it.
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Yeah, I'll do it.
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But anyway, like there were some scenes in this like, my God, that would go perfect
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in that video.
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Nicholas Cage losing his shit.
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Highly recommend.
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What did you think of his face?
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Because that was like a whole thing in the marketing.
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They didn't want to show it.
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They didn't even show it to Maika Monroe until the interview scene.
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Yes.
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I mean, I told you I had it a little bit spoiled.
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I saw the bottom half of the face and then I had like the kind of idea of it was
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botched plastic surgery spoiled.
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But I don't feel like that really took me out of the film at all.
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I was actually still terrified by seeing him the way he looked.
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Yeah, I think.
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Yeah, it didn't take me out of the film.
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I think I was, I don't know, I guess I don't know what I was expecting.
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I wasn't expecting him to look like a housewife.
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I wasn't expecting botched Botox and filler, but he looked creepy.
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Yeah, yeah, it was really creepy.
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mean, and, and yeah, they did a very good job kind of, I mean, I've been saying this
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for the past like six or eight months, like at least 25 episodes that horror
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movies are astronomically more fun when you go into them blind.
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Mmm.
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And the team of this movie did such a good job forcing people to go into this without
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any preconceived ideas of what he would look like.
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That like most, if not all people in the audience got to experience him
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organically.
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And I think that's really paying off for people.
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I think people did enjoy seeing him for the first time in the movie.
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But yeah, I don't think that even with what I did see, which was not a full face
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reveal.
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Yeah, because it shows the first half of his face in that opening scene.
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So it wasn't like you got the full interview effect right away, which is
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good.
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And I think you're right.
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I think that that was the picture that I saw was like right before he does like the
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bend down thing and then it cuts to red or whatever color it did.
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I'm pretty sure that's what I saw.
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Yeah, whatever color.
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It was definitely red.
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Well, I mean, it could have been black, black and then red.
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I don't
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I liked the changing aspect ratio.
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Stylistically, this movie is insane.
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Yes, totally agree.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I don't even think that's an opinion.
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I think it's like a very stylistic
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well shot film.
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It is.
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it's a beautiful movie, which is a weird thing to say for a horror movie.
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It's not, it absolutely is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.
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I also think it's a really accessible big brain movie.
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Like it's not, it's not, it's not big brain, but it could be.
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If you think real hard like I did, and you do like the whole allegory of religion
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thing, it could be big brain.
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that that's super big brain.
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Like, it's clearly about religion.
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I mean, yeah, but yeah, I guess.
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I just think it's a good transition film where had we watched movies in the order
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that I maybe should have watched them, starting with like Scream and Halloween,
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then after we did all of those, this would have been a good like transition to
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Martyrs, Skinamarink.
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You know I mean?
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Some of the big brain,
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intense movies.
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Skinamarink, huh?
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Alright.
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Well, I'm not saying that I liked that movie.
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I'm just saying it was...
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something.
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for more like abstract horror, I guess.
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Ones where you gotta put your little thinkin' maybe like I Saw The TV Glow, you
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know, where it's like, that's a very metaphorically driven film.
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Yeah.
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I just saw someone on Twitter complaining about millennials using phrases like,
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totes my goats and cool beans.
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Honestly, at this point, like, just let them have it, you know?
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I loved making fun of older people when I was a kid.
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So go off.
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I do say cool beans.
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No, I'm just gonna revel in the fact that I am a millennial
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It's the life I've always wanted to live.
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What am I supposed to do?
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I can't change
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And you can pry cold beans or cool beans from my cold dead fingers.
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Hot Rod shaped me.
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yeah.
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And I can't wait for your kids to make fun of you for saying stupid shit like
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skibbity toilet.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But that's the cycle of life, right?
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You say dumb shit and then people make fun of you for it.
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That's life.
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It is and it always will be.
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Anyways.
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will
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What did you think this movie was about?
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Just religion?
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Nothing?
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Did you, did you, didn't big brain this at all?
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It was just like, yep, that was about a murderer doing the devil's
00:20:31
Yup.
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I don't want to reveal too much.
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I think I can't, I don't think I can talk about this movie without expressing
00:20:38
somewhat of like what my rating might be.
00:20:42
So I think we're just gonna start with that, right?
00:20:44
Like I'm just gonna talk about it and you can assume what you'd like to about what
00:20:49
my ratings will be.
00:20:50
I think this movie started out as this
00:20:58
cool, detective, cat and mouse, thriller, and they even like talked about that in
00:21:05
the marketing for it, right?
00:21:06
People were describing it like Silence of the Lambs, it's the demonic Silence of the
00:21:11
Lambs, it's like Cure, it's like Memento, it's like Seven, that was a disservice.
00:21:18
They should not have compared it to those movies.
00:21:21
I do not think it was as good as those movies.
00:21:24
I do not think it was as well.
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written story -wise as those movies.
00:21:31
That's my opinion.
00:21:33
I think the third act fell apart completely.
00:21:36
I thought it was bad.
00:21:38
The third act.
00:21:40
First two acts?
00:21:41
Fine.
00:21:41
They lost me in the third act.
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The third act.
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I don't know.
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I don't know where I thought it was gonna go.
00:21:50
Demonic Dolls was not it at all.
00:21:53
And I feel like they just pivoted from that whole cat -mouse detective thing.
00:21:57
They're like, let's just kill off Longlegs and now it's a mommy issues movie.
00:22:00
And that was like the choice that they made.
00:22:04
And I wasn't a fan of that choice.
00:22:06
There are a lot of things I really, really liked about this movie.
00:22:10
Third Act was not one of them.
00:22:13
Interesting.
00:22:13
I did not know people were comparing it to Silence of the Lambs.
00:22:18
But I also compared it to Silence of the Lambs.
00:22:22
This is modern Silence of the Lambs.
00:22:24
Lee is literally a mix of Starling and Graham, which are the two Hannibal agents.
00:22:31
that's, and I love that about her.
00:22:33
I love both of them.
00:22:35
I loved Maika Monroe in this movie and I really liked her character too.
00:22:38
yes, thank you.
00:22:40
Which on a related note, not exactly related to this movie, but in my research
00:22:45
for this movie, because I was thinking Science of Lambs, I found this paper in
00:22:49
the American Journal of Psychotherapy.
00:22:52
It was called Hannibal Lecter: The Honey in the Lion's Mouth.
00:22:56
Remind me to link it in the description.
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It's a psychoanalysis of Hannibal and his childhood trauma.
00:23:02
I would love that for the character of Longlegs.
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because it was a great read, it was so fun.
00:23:07
And I highly recommend reading it if you have a spare half hour.
00:23:10
I stand by the fact that you can't name your kid Hannibal and not expect him to be
00:23:14
a cannibal.
00:23:17
It's like naming your kid Hurderer.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of honestly.
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Yeah.
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God.
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well good, I mean you like Silence of the Lambs, so I'm glad that this did it for
00:23:36
Yeah, I did like Science of the Lambs.
00:23:37
What fun facts do you have?
00:23:38
We haven't talked about any fun facts.
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We've only talked about...
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Explained the movie.
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Okay, fun facts.
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Osgood Perkins only had two actors in mind for Longlegs and that was Nicolas Cage.
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And then Brad Pitt, which is crazy because that man could not do this role.
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Also, he's...
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He's shit.
00:23:59
Hate
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I can't imagine ever wanting to do work with him.
00:24:04
Yeah, and maybe because he has had a lot of work done, he just kind of saw it in
00:24:09
him.
00:24:10
Should have gotten Mickey Rourke if we wanted someone with -
00:24:14
Mickey.
00:24:15
Yeah, you're not wrong.
00:24:18
would not have had to do as much special effects
00:24:20
Yeah, which on that note, they had kind of like the general idea of what his face was
00:24:26
going to look like.
00:24:27
But I guess they just started like putting prosthetics on him and like maybe maybe do
00:24:32
a little more on the chin, maybe do a little bit more on the cheeks.
00:24:35
And they just kind of kept like mod podging it all together until they finally
00:24:38
had, OK, this is the look.
00:24:40
Yeah.
00:24:41
Yeah, cute.
00:24:42
It's a Mod Podge, that's what it is.
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I like it.
00:24:45
Me too.
00:24:47
Totally unrelated.
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Completely unrelated.
00:24:50
Did you know that Maika Monroe is a professional kite boarder?
00:24:54
I didn't, but I love that for her.
00:24:56
Yeah, me too.
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Kind of fun.
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Yeah.
00:25:00
Don't let your dreams be dreams.
00:25:01
Go kiteboarding.
00:25:02
I've always wanted to be both an actress and a professional
00:25:05
Yeah, that's the real message of Longlegs.
00:25:08
You can in fact be an actress and a kite boarder.
00:25:12
Yeah.
00:25:12
Yeah.
00:25:13
What even is kiteboarding?
00:25:15
Yeah, me neither.
00:25:16
accepted that that was a sport that I knew nothing about like every other sport.
00:25:20
Yeah, I mean, I think it's the one where you stand on the board and there's a kite
00:25:24
and it's in the
00:25:26
Kiteboarding or kitesurfing is a sport that involves using wind power with a
00:25:31
large power kite to pull the rider across water, land, snow, sand, or any other
00:25:38
surface.
00:25:39
Wait, so what kind of kiteboarding does she do?
00:25:42
What kind of board?
00:25:43
Is she on a skateboard?
00:25:44
Is she on a surfboard?
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she on a...
00:25:46
I don't
00:25:49
It combines the aspects of paragliding, surfing, windsurfing, skateboarding,
00:25:52
snowboarding, and wakeboarding.
00:25:53
I think it's just like boarding, but with a kite.
00:25:56
With a wind.
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Okay, fun.
00:26:01
Love that.
00:26:03
Another fun fact.
00:26:05
The different types of ciphers that Longlegs uses.
00:26:08
There are symbol substitution ciphers, number substitution ciphers, and a
00:26:12
Vigenère cipher with the keyword Longlegs to decode the messages.
00:26:17
I'm not gonna lie too, they didn't seem like that complicated of messages.
00:26:22
It had been like 20 years and they couldn't decode one until Lee came on?
00:26:29
Well, I think one of the things that made them difficult to decode...
00:26:33
Well, first of all, we got the cipher.
00:26:36
Well, she got a code to a cipher.
00:26:39
They had other messages from him because he was leaving them at every crime scene
00:26:43
and he was leaving them with the code word Longlegs.
00:26:46
That was the code word to most of them.
00:26:48
he also gave her more than
00:26:51
Yeah, he gave her some filled in, like that those are very common ciphers to use.
00:26:57
but it was a mix of the three and it was true.
00:27:03
And it was inspired by the Zodiac Killer who regularly had grammar and spelling
00:27:10
errors which made it harder to decipher.
00:27:12
So did Longlegs, terrible grammar.
00:27:14
decoded Zodiac's sign or cypher?
00:27:19
No, a couple who liked cross -wording.
00:27:22
Just random people.
00:27:23
They just liked cross -wording and they could figure it out.
00:27:26
Weird.
00:27:27
And like pretty recently, right?
00:27:28
Like that was not that long ago.
00:27:30
It was like within the past like 10 years for sure.
00:27:36
Yeah Anyways
00:27:38
Just saying.
00:27:39
I had some questions.
00:27:41
I liked some of the foreshadowing in this.
00:27:43
When they're showing the taped interview of him and he's like you're gonna come to
00:27:47
the birthday party and you're gonna come to the birthday party and you are like
00:27:50
you're invited and you're invited he's like turning to the people in the room and
00:27:55
he turns to Browning, Lee, and Carter saying you'll be there for the birthday
00:27:59
party and Browning and Carter die and then Lee is there for the birthday party so
00:28:03
that was kind of and kind of creepy that he like would know where they were
00:28:08
standing in the room
00:28:09
Or, you know, coincidentally.
00:28:11
I don't think it's coincidentally.
00:28:14
He's the devil.
00:28:15
They kind of were like, like the first two acts were like kind of grounded, right?
00:28:20
It was like grounded fantasy where it was like, like a little ambiguity.
00:28:25
Is she psychic?
00:28:26
Like she only got half of them right.
00:28:28
So it's like, there's ambiguity.
00:28:29
And then by the end they were like, no, no, no, it's Satan in Dolls.
00:28:32
No ambiguity.
00:28:35
We're taking that away.
00:28:37
I think the dolls were a metaphor for the word.
00:28:43
You know what I mean?
00:28:44
Absolutely.
00:28:45
Another piece of foreshadowing.
00:28:49
Then right after that interview, when Lee asks where he's being held, Browning says,
00:28:54
he's right below you.
00:28:56
Like he's in the basement right below you.
00:29:00
Which is fun because he literally was living right below her her whole life in
00:29:04
her mom's house.
00:29:06
So that's fun.
00:29:07
And then the last one that I liked was that in her FBI clairvoyance test,
00:29:13
when shown, it's like showing her pictures and she has to associate words with them.
00:29:19
She says father when it shows an upside down triangle.
00:29:23
Yeah.
00:29:24
So I think that was much like suggesting not only her connection to Longlegs, but
00:29:30
to Satan himself, right?
00:29:34
So yeah, I thought there were some really cool moments.
00:29:37
And then they also had a moment where they were like, this is the birthday murderer.
00:29:41
He murders people on their birthdays.
00:29:43
And then immediately after, the little girl's like, are you gonna come to my
00:29:45
birthday party?
00:29:46
And that was just shit foreshadowing.
00:29:49
That was the laziest piece of foreshadowing I've ever seen in a fucking
00:29:53
movie.
00:29:54
Yeah, that was, yeah.
00:29:56
I specifically, that moment took me out of it and I was like, my God, obviously
00:30:03
something terrible is gonna happen to her or like that family is gonna be the
00:30:06
victim.
00:30:07
And why didn't- Detective Carter just didn't think that that was relevant at
00:30:10
all.
00:30:11
Like, he didn't think, I have an age -appropriate daughter whose birthday is on
00:30:15
the 14th, and that's not...
00:30:17
Also, why the 14th?
00:30:18
It's fine.
00:30:21
No.
00:30:21
I don't know.
00:30:23
You know what, I the perfect time for that to be foreshadowed when there's like the
00:30:29
looking down at her desk and there's like the Longlegs,
00:30:32
You know the envelope?
00:30:35
Just like a piece of mail, you're invited to my birthday party.
00:30:38
Just super casual, you're invited to the birthday party of Miss whatever her name
00:30:43
was.
00:30:43
Yeah, I don't know.
00:30:44
It's just, yeah, it was definitely too on the nose the way that they did it.
00:30:49
And then it was just
00:30:50
I just don't, I don't know.
00:30:52
I just don't see Detective Carter not thinking
00:30:54
that his daughter could potentially be a victim for that.
00:31:00
I mean, I guess they needed, okay, the 14th, guess, could be explained because he
00:31:03
needed something like central in the calendar so that Lee could do the triangle
00:31:07
thing.
00:31:08
Also, I love how she figures that out by writing down the calendar in a way that no
00:31:11
human has ever written down the calendar in their life and then folding it in half
00:31:16
to make it a triangle.
00:31:17
That was fun.
00:31:22
Weird.
00:31:23
Yeah.
00:31:29
The middle of the month would
00:31:30
15 or 16?
00:31:33
Not 14.
00:31:35
Well, I mean, I guess if you count February, then it would be 14.
00:31:38
Yeah, but you're gonna move it to the 14th just for one month?
00:31:44
Why wouldn't you just do the
00:31:45
divided by 12 is 30 divided by two is 15.
00:31:50
it should have been 15.
00:31:52
Wow, what an idiot.
00:31:58
Ah, shoot.
00:32:02
I don't know.
00:32:03
think, yeah, there were just some things in there that I was like, how did we get
00:32:06
here?
00:32:07
Like she shows a picture to Carter and she's like, this is him.
00:32:10
And so they're like, start the manhunt.
00:32:12
And immediately they just find him at a bus stop.
00:32:16
What?
00:32:18
But not for us.
00:32:20
Like there was no, I don't know.
00:32:23
It was just like, I thought we were going to like see more of like this cat and
00:32:26
mouse, like him taunting
00:32:29
her and I don't know it just it was just like nope he just he goes to a bus stop
00:32:34
and turns himself in and also okay so he's doing these crime scenes and they're like
00:32:39
like he's just a ghost in the wind right like all we - we only know that these are
00:32:43
connected because he's leaving us these letters there's no evidence of you know
00:32:47
force entry or any DNA in the house or any evidence that he was in there at all but
00:32:52
the mom was.
00:32:53
The mom was.
00:32:54
So how was she not leaving any evidence?
00:32:56
Because you're telling me that any competent blood spatter analyst couldn't
00:33:01
tell that she was in the wake of it for half of those?
00:33:05
It shows her with blood all over.
00:33:07
Put Dexter Morgan on the case, okay?
00:33:08
Because he's figuring it out.
00:33:12
I just- And murdering him.
00:33:19
So that part didn't make sense at all because it was way creepier to think like,
00:33:24
my God, he literally is like doing this without being there for it.
00:33:28
Like, how is he doing this?
00:33:31
And then the answer is that it's a killer doll and the mom is there.
00:33:35
But she should have, it's like she wasn't wearing gloves.
00:33:38
She wasn't, she didn't have her hair pulled back.
00:33:40
Like, I just don't buy it.
00:33:43
I mean, again, it was not a killer doll.
00:33:46
It was a killer doll.
00:33:48
The doll was a vessel for the devil.
00:33:52
Yeah, but why?
00:33:55
Why did it have to be a life -size doll?
00:33:57
a person's house.
00:33:59
Why not?
00:34:01
He can make someone kill their whole family.
00:34:03
What is he, a vampire has got to be invited in?
00:34:05
Like what?
00:34:06
I don't understand the rules!
00:34:09
I mean it doesn't just go walking around.
00:34:14
Also, he lived at the mom's house.
00:34:17
So when they found him at this bus stop, like he walked there.
00:34:21
Was he not in distance?
00:34:22
Did they not think that that was weird?
00:34:26
I could not tell you.
00:34:28
How did they even know to go to that bus stop?
00:34:30
We don't know.
00:34:31
I think that that was all very in the weeds that was just, you don't, it's just
00:34:36
left to your imagination.
00:34:38
Why?
00:34:38
I need to know because if his permanent address was her house, how did they know
00:34:44
to go to that area?
00:34:47
He lives in her basement.
00:34:49
He doesn't have an address.
00:34:51
The way he tried to make himself so different, I don't know.
00:34:57
I just don't know.
00:34:59
Maybe he bought a bus ticket and they put it on his credit card and he went to the
00:35:04
bus stop and they knew to find him there.
00:35:06
I think it's too in the weeds.
00:35:08
It's too in the weeds.
00:35:11
You're, you're,
00:35:14
I'm the first person to complain about not enough plot, but I think you're too in the
00:35:17
weeds.
00:35:18
No, I don't, I think you're too out of the weeds.
00:35:22
It just didn't bother me.
00:35:23
It's a time jump, whatever, they found him.
00:35:25
They did all the detective work in the background.
00:35:27
I also though, like one of my issues is that when I had some of these questions, I
00:35:32
was like, well, let me see, like, let's listen to Osgood and see what he said
00:35:37
about it.
00:35:38
And like the first thing I could find, which I was like, why is he even called
00:35:40
Longlegs?
00:35:41
There's that one throwaway line at the beginning that's like, let me, I put on my
00:35:45
Longlegs.
00:35:45
can't see you up there.
00:35:47
And I was like, is that it?
00:35:49
Like, that's why.
00:35:49
And then I looked it up and he was just like, I just like words.
00:35:52
It sounded 70s to me.
00:35:55
So like, he doesn't know either.
00:35:56
And that was what really got me was I was like, okay, so now in my head, every plot
00:36:01
hole, every unanswered question is because he didn't know.
00:36:05
And I don't like that.
00:36:06
That's fair.
00:36:07
I mean, I would rather them not know the answer than try to force feed us a stupid
00:36:15
answer.
00:36:15
You know what I mean?
00:36:17
but I also think if it's that prominent of a question, it's gonna bother me.
00:36:22
Maybe, I don't know.
00:36:24
Also, for a movie called Longlegs, there was not a single scene of Longlegs.
00:36:31
I immediately posted a Letterboxd review in our Discord that was...
00:36:36
Let me actually look at it, because I want to shout out their name at least.
00:36:42
Isaiah Quinones wrote a review that just said, "I feel like my legs are probably
00:36:47
longer." That's really funny.
00:36:52
That's my favorite review of this movie.
00:36:55
But I did see some people on Reddit saying that they felt- I didn't see this at all,
00:36:59
even on my second watch.
00:37:01
where they said that after Lee is incapacitated because her doll is shot and
00:37:10
she wakes up in the basement.
00:37:11
No, thank you.
00:37:14
And then when she gets up and is kind of stumbling through the house, they were
00:37:19
like, I swear her legs looked longer in that scene.
00:37:22
I did not see that.
00:37:24
And they were like, yeah, that's why she's stumbling.
00:37:25
And I was like, no, she's stumbling because she was just incapacitated.
00:37:28
Like, what do you mean?
00:37:30
It's a fun theory, but
00:37:32
It is, but I did not see that visually.
00:37:35
If they did do that, it was very subtle.
00:37:41
So
00:37:42
line that I got my Longlegs on or whatever.
00:37:45
I just quoted it like you just said a minute ago, not how it's actually said in
00:37:49
the movie.
00:37:51
Got it.
00:37:52
It felt like an ad lib from Nick.
00:37:56
That didn't feel like something in the script to me.
00:37:59
I was like, are they just like trying to put the name of the movie in the script or
00:38:05
I don't know.
00:38:06
It felt scripted to me, but it did feel like a...
00:38:10
Is that it?
00:38:10
That's it?
00:38:11
That's why he's called this?
00:38:13
I don't...
00:38:14
I don't know.
00:38:17
doesn't remember that he's like, you know what mean?
00:38:21
Like if she doesn't remember all of this?
00:38:23
Yeah.
00:38:24
Who was there to be able to call him, I guess he called himself, nevermind.
00:38:30
Nevermind.
00:38:32
I figured it out.
00:38:32
himself Longlegs.
00:38:34
And that was like, he wrote the letters because they were able to like, I think
00:38:38
the mom was just leaving them.
00:38:39
Yeah, and then why'd the mom shoot the
00:38:42
in the house.
00:38:42
It was the mom in the daughter's house.
00:38:44
The mom left the letter?
00:38:45
Okay.
00:38:46
Because you could tell it was him from his.
00:38:49
I couldn't tell.
00:38:49
I just saw a figure.
00:38:51
No, I could see his hair was, I think that was him.
00:38:54
Yeah.
00:38:57
But yeah, that was also like, that scene was so creepy to me.
00:39:02
Like her going outside and then just like seeing him in her house behind her was
00:39:06
like, ugh, you know?
00:39:08
But then she goes inside, like does two checks and then she just sits down at her
00:39:11
desk and there's like creaking noises next to her.
00:39:14
And she just like looks and then goes back to her letter.
00:39:17
And that, I think that was the moment where I was like disarmed completely.
00:39:21
From that moment on, it didn't scare me anymore because she didn't feel as though
00:39:24
she was in danger and I'm already led to believe that she's psychic.
00:39:27
So I believe her when she does not feel in danger.
00:39:30
And so like any tension that that moment had built kind of dissipated in that
00:39:34
scene.
00:39:38
Didn't have that effect on me because I was like, what the fuck?
00:39:41
Why are you so casual?
00:39:43
That's that's another scene where you see the devil, though, is in when she looks
00:39:46
outside into the forest.
00:39:47
Did you mention that scene?
00:39:50
Yeah, there's there's like a little black wispy figure.
00:39:55
interesting.
00:39:55
Okay.
00:39:58
Also, I don't think it was ever addressed that the letter said don't open until
00:40:04
January 14th and that she's just like opening it immediately.
00:40:08
Unless, well, so here's the other thing is maybe that was another one of those weird
00:40:14
time jumps where she gets the letter, do not open until January 14th, part two,
00:40:19
then she's sitting down opening the letter.
00:40:22
So maybe, and that's why.
00:40:24
She was in the same clothes.
00:40:26
And also it couldn't have been because it was her birth- that was the upcoming thing
00:40:29
and they were waiting for the thing to happen on the 13th.
00:40:32
So the 14th never happens in the movie.
00:40:35
The birthday party is on the 13th because it's before the 14th birthday because
00:40:39
that's what they were waiting for for the triangle to complete.
00:40:43
So that wouldn't have worked.
00:40:46
Sorry.
00:40:47
Why didn't, why did she open it early?
00:40:49
Little stinker.
00:40:52
I know.
00:40:54
That's, yeah, I think that's like what I expected more of was like him
00:40:58
communicating to her and her kind of like keeping it a secret from other people.
00:41:01
Like that was more interesting to me, you know?
00:41:04
Because she's just- he's like, how did you figure this out?
00:41:08
Well, I looked just long enough.
00:41:11
Which I did think was a fun callback to him earlier being like, you can look too
00:41:14
hard, know?
00:41:15
She's like, no, I looked too, like, just hard enough.
00:41:18
Which I liked that as a cover up.
00:41:20
But then there was no more of that kind of her having insider information and keeping
00:41:25
that.
00:41:26
That's fair.
00:41:27
And why did the mom shoot the doll?
00:41:30
I guess to like give her her memory back or like to remove her psychic ability.
00:41:34
But then Satan calls her on the telephone, which apparently he can do and just tells
00:41:38
her where to go anyway?
00:41:41
I mean obviously he can't walk into the room but can call you on the phone.
00:41:48
Yeah, I don't know.
00:41:52
There were definitely some parts about the dolls that I didn't understand fully,
00:41:58
Yeah.
00:42:00
Again, it didn't bother me.
00:42:02
same interview.
00:42:03
Osgood Perkins, they're like, what about the dolls?
00:42:05
Are we going to get more info on that?
00:42:07
How do they work?
00:42:08
He says, yeah, I know how they work, but I'm not going to tell anybody.
00:42:10
I'm like, you son of a bitch.
00:42:12
You don't fucking know anything.
00:42:15
know anything.
00:42:18
Yeah, right.
00:42:23
I bet he waits until all of this publicity boils down a little bit or bubbles off.
00:42:29
Yeah.
00:42:31
Once he reads the Reddit threads explaining it.
00:42:33
And he says, that's a good idea!
00:42:36
that too, that too.
00:42:38
But no, I bet he lets it boil down or bubble off and then says, ooh, you you can
00:42:44
see the headlines like Oz Perkins reveals what the dolls really mean in Longlegs and
00:42:49
then it's back in the news and people go watch it again.
00:42:55
I mean, we could really do a whole, you already said this in a previous episode,
00:43:00
but we could really do a whole episode on just the marketing of this film.
00:43:04
yeah, the marketing was
00:43:05
better than the movie.
00:43:07
god.
00:43:08
I mean, for those
00:43:09
I didn't hate the movie.
00:43:10
I want to clarify, I feel like me talking sounds like I would still recommend seeing
00:43:15
this movie.
00:43:16
I just had some issues with it.
00:43:18
That's my only thing.
00:43:19
I'm just gonna write down on this napkin what I think your rating is and then as
00:43:24
you give it, I'm gonna show it because I know that I'm right.
00:43:27
Okay.
00:43:31
But no, I mean, for those that don't know, I'm personally a corporate marketing
00:43:35
girlie.
00:43:36
And this movie was a master class in social campaigns.
00:43:39
I mean, I purposely did not engage in any of it until after I saw the movie and then
00:43:45
kind of went back and read what people were saying about it and got to experience
00:43:49
some of it after the fact.
00:43:50
But like, fuck, I would have seen this movie even if I wasn't a horror fan
00:43:53
because the marketing was so good.
00:43:55
Like, it was fun.
00:43:57
It was unique.
00:43:58
It really made you want to see the movie.
00:44:00
Yeah.
00:44:01
And a couple examples, if anybody missed it, they had billboards with nothing but a
00:44:07
phone number.
00:44:08
And when you called it, was Nick Cage's character talking to you.
00:44:12
I think he said, I'll be waiting if the number was called before it released.
00:44:16
And now after it's been released, it'll say, like, happy birthday.
00:44:19
Like, he'll sing happy birthday.
00:44:21
I don't think it's live anymore.
00:44:24
I tried calling it a couple times earlier today.
00:44:27
Yeah.
00:44:29
Yeah.
00:44:30
They had a short series of short videos containing ciphers.
00:44:34
They had a series of images on Instagram.
00:44:37
The trailers initially, like the teaser trailers that were initially released
00:44:43
weren't even called Longlegs trailers.
00:44:47
Like they just had these like weird titles like you've got the teeth of the hydra
00:44:52
upon you.
00:44:53
Like it was like these weird, yeah, it was so interesting.
00:45:00
We talked about it on here, but they had a website for the murders called
00:45:03
thebirthdaymurder .net, which showed like photos of the crime scene.
00:45:06
I don't know if that's still up.
00:45:08
I actually didn't ever go to that because I didn't want anything spoiled.
00:45:11
But they said that it was pictures of the things.
00:45:14
So there were like lots of little things like that.
00:45:16
There were cool little marketing techniques and I enjoyed it.
00:45:19
I loved the marketing for this.
00:45:20
It made me very excited to see it.
00:45:23
Yeah, same.
00:45:23
My favorite, like the most compelling one for me was the like Maika Monroe like
00:45:29
spot.
00:45:30
It wasn't like a...
00:45:32
It wasn't really a trailer.
00:45:35
It was like an ad where she's seeing him for the first time in character and it
00:45:41
like caught her heart rate and it spiked to 170 from like a 75 or something.
00:45:46
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:45:47
Yeah, that was a fun little...
00:45:49
I literally heard people talking about that in the theater next to me too.
00:45:53
Cute.
00:45:55
Yeah, I mean, the marketing definitely worked.
00:46:00
And if the movie had a $3 million budget, a million of that went to marketing, and
00:46:06
boy, did that fucking pay off.
00:46:08
don't think that they include marketing in the budget.
00:46:12
I want to say that that's a separate thing.
00:46:15
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that marketing is like a separate budget than
00:46:21
the actual filming budget.
00:46:23
Yeah, so like the three millions like production budget.
00:46:25
That's fair.
00:46:26
That's fair.
00:46:26
But I know that their return on investment for that is insane.
00:46:31
Yeah, I mean, it's currently 17 million.
00:46:37
That's true, Yeah.
00:46:42
Oh, 100%.
00:46:43
Yeah, it definitely got people to the theater to see the movie.
00:46:47
Yeah, yeah, which is a feat in today's day and age.
00:46:50
Yeah.
00:46:52
I don't know.
00:46:53
I wonder if it'll like, I don't think it'll hurt it in any way, but I do think
00:46:58
like some people will go to the theater and be like, like that wasn't as good as
00:47:03
the marketing.
00:47:04
And so I wonder how many, if that trend will continue to go up, like if it'll keep
00:47:08
making money or if it'll drop off at one point.
00:47:11
Cause like the scores have already gone down on Rotten Tomatoes.
00:47:16
It was in the nineties for critics.
00:47:18
And then audience, obviously, until it's released, it doesn't have a score.
00:47:21
But it's already gone down on both.
00:47:23
And the audience isn't as high as
00:47:25
Yeah, the Google audience score is a little below 60 % also.
00:47:32
It's a little lower,
00:47:34
Yeah.
00:47:35
Which is fair to each their own.
00:47:38
Yeah, I was gonna say I see like 81 % of Google users liked this movie, but then in
00:47:43
the reviews it's currently at a 2 .9.
00:47:46
It's like, it's like five stars, one star, and then like a couple in between.
00:47:52
no, you're so right.
00:47:52
Yeah.
00:47:53
That's what I was talking about.
00:47:54
2 .9.
00:47:54
What is that like?
00:47:55
58.
00:47:55
Yeah.
00:47:57
Good math.
00:47:59
58.
00:48:00
Yeah.
00:48:00
It was good math for a second until I
00:48:02
Yeah, yeah, you gotta, you gotta believe.
00:48:04
Yeah, just put your whole pussy into it.
00:48:10
Any other fun facts?
00:48:11
Or should we rate it?
00:48:12
I just want to say that I like that the way that they indicated that it was took
00:48:15
place in the 90s was just by putting a giant picture of Bill Clinton behind the
00:48:19
desk.
00:48:20
That was really funny.
00:48:23
I don't know if the FBI is known for putting pictures of the current president
00:48:27
on their office walls, but whatever you gotta do.
00:48:31
I liked that a lot.
00:48:33
It was so big.
00:48:35
Polaroid, the music choices, the like puffy jacket.
00:48:41
We would have gotten
00:48:42
to my point is that it was very clearly not set in today's time.
00:48:47
Like, she's using a home phone.
00:48:52
she doesn't have a cell phone.
00:48:53
Like, it was very clearly in the 90s.
00:48:57
Bill Clinton's just there too.
00:49:05
yeah, that was it.
00:49:07
There was more like humor in this than I thought that there was going to be.
00:49:09
Yeah.
00:49:13
The scene where they go to the institution and they're like, do you require IDs for
00:49:19
people signing in?
00:49:20
And the guy's like, that would be a great idea if we did that, but we don't.
00:49:25
That was so funny.
00:49:26
Yes, yes, that one elicited quite the chuckle in our theater.
00:49:31
Same, yeah, that was a good moment.
00:49:33
All right, should we rate it?
00:49:35
Okay.
00:49:37
How scary do you think it was?
00:49:40
I gave it a two out of five.
00:49:43
Cause it did creep me out at first.
00:49:45
And I was really like, I went into the theater and I was like, okay, allow
00:49:48
yourself to be scared.
00:49:50
And like the first little jump scare was creepy and then him in the background of
00:49:55
her house, terrifying.
00:49:57
But then like I said, that one scene kind of like disarmed me.
00:50:00
And then from then I don't think there was a moment that really scared me after that,
00:50:03
except for like the jump scare, but that was just kind of loud.
00:50:05
That wasn't.
00:50:07
Which, which, which?
00:50:08
I think it's when she looks at the photo and realizes that it's him and it just
00:50:11
like cuts to like the snakes and the screech or whatever.
00:50:15
That was too loud.
00:50:16
I didn't like that.
00:50:16
Osgood, don't do that again to me.
00:50:18
Too loud.
00:50:23
But yeah, I mean, it didn't stay with me.
00:50:25
I came home, I walked through three rooms in my dark apartment before I turned on a
00:50:29
light.
00:50:30
So clearly I wasn't freaked out after that.
00:50:34
What about you?
00:50:34
Fair.
00:50:36
I gave it a 2
00:50:40
What was scary to me is that there are people like Longlegs in the world and I
00:50:46
know that I am the first person to say that crime is not scary but when you look
00:50:50
at it through that like lens of Longlegs representing the like harmful religious
00:50:55
and political ideologies, it's really fucking scary.
00:50:59
And the character itself was extremely off -putting.
00:51:02
This is by far his scariest villain I would say.
00:51:04
I was terrified of him compared to other
00:51:10
Renfield, for example.
00:51:14
Yeah.
00:51:16
But yeah, and I also thought the movie was largely unpredictable.
00:51:21
I did not realize that it was going to go the direction that it did.
00:51:24
I did know that Lee was going to have some sort of, yeah, have some sort of
00:51:28
connection to Longlegs.
00:51:30
But like that that fact that I didn't know where it was going made it a little bit
00:51:33
more immersive.
00:51:35
And then there were some jump scares.
00:51:36
So all that combined.
00:51:37
2.5.
00:51:38
How sexy did you think it was?
00:51:41
Those long, long legs.
00:51:42
those long legs that you see one time at the bus stop.
00:51:47
That were was pretty regular.
00:51:50
Very man of him to think that his legs were longer than they are.
00:51:55
I give it a two.
00:51:56
I gave it just a touch of sexy because it did remind me of silence.
00:51:59
And then the kind of, yeah, well, yeah.
00:52:05
And then there's like the kind of tone of like the red snake sequences and the 90s
00:52:10
vibe.
00:52:11
So I just had to give it a little
00:52:12
Would you give
00:52:14
I give it a 1 .5.
00:52:16
A lighter touch of sexy, if you will.
00:52:19
Mainly just, you know, for Maika Monroe.
00:52:22
She deserves it.
00:52:23
She's earned it.
00:52:26
Yeah, she's great.
00:52:28
Big fan.
00:52:28
Everybody's favorite actor, kite surfer combo.
00:52:32
Everybody's favorite.
00:52:37
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:52:38
I give it a 1 .5.
00:52:40
Okay.
00:52:40
Mainly for, I think the face bashing.
00:52:42
I don't know, it didn't feel like I could give it a one, so I gave it a little bit
00:52:45
higher.
00:52:47
The face bashing was a little graphic.
00:52:49
Yeah.
00:52:49
What about you?
00:52:50
I gave it a 2 .5.
00:52:53
Yeah.
00:52:53
I originally had it at a 2 because the concept of like dads killing their kids is
00:52:59
really uncomfortable for me.
00:53:00
And there was some pretty shocking gore to your point that like face smashing was not
00:53:05
amazing.
00:53:06
And then, yeah.
00:53:10
And then I gave it an extra 0 .5 for Nick Cage's performance because he did a really
00:53:15
good job.
00:53:15
It was depraved.
00:53:16
It was unique.
00:53:17
It was chilling.
00:53:18
I think he deserves half point for that, so 2.5.
00:53:21
All right, sex.
00:53:24
All right, overall, hit me.
00:53:27
Our scores are very different, I can guarantee it.
00:53:30
Yeah.
00:53:32
I gotta go with my heart on this one.
00:53:34
This movie is modern Silence of the Lambs and I'd be a fucking hypocrite if I did
00:53:37
not rate it well.
00:53:38
It was the right amount of everything.
00:53:40
Story, right amount of scary, it had amazing acting.
00:53:45
It was original but also took the right amount of inspo from other things.
00:53:50
It was the perfect length.
00:53:51
It was not too long, it did not overstay its welcome.
00:53:55
Nailed the tone, nailed the marketing, nailed the casting, nailed the
00:53:58
cinematography.
00:53:59
I deducted only half a point.
00:54:01
I gave it a 4 .5.
00:54:03
Not once did we actually see Nicholas Cage's Longlegs.
00:54:07
I would have loved more, not enough Longlegs in the movie called Longlegs.
00:54:13
But no, like seriously, I would have enjoyed more of that character.
00:54:20
something was a little off about the mom.
00:54:21
Something was a little off about the story at the end.
00:54:23
Act three, I guess, as you've been calling it, which is accurate.
00:54:28
I can't really put my finger on it, but it didn't bother me.
00:54:31
Like I still really enjoyed the story.
00:54:35
and I don't think it deserves anything less than a 4 .5.
00:54:37
This is my favorite movie of the year.
00:54:40
Ugh.
00:54:45
What about you?
00:54:48
Ready?
00:54:51
I gave it a 3 .5!
00:54:54
You suck.
00:54:55
I said 2 .5.
00:54:58
No, I said I didn't hate it.
00:55:00
2 .5 is not a good score.
00:55:03
That's true.
00:55:05
I know, but then I clarified it.
00:55:07
I'm talking like I really did not like this movie.
00:55:09
There were things about this movie, again, that I really enjoyed.
00:55:14
The cinematography was fantastic.
00:55:15
The acting was fantastic.
00:55:17
Two thirds of it was great story -wise.
00:55:19
I just think that the movie would have been better if she actually was like
00:55:24
piecing together
00:55:25
this mystery rather than a giant exposition dump in the third act where the
00:55:29
mom just tells you what happened the whole time.
00:55:32
That was so bad.
00:55:33
I hated that moment.
00:55:37
Maybe if the mom's relationship to Longlegs was a little bit more ambiguous
00:55:41
and a little bit more interesting, that would have been cool.
00:55:43
If it wasn't Satan in a doll's head, that would have been a little bit cooler to me.
00:55:49
I don't know.
00:55:49
Or maybe if at the end, like Satan was unleashed and there was like something to
00:55:53
leave you kind of being like,
00:55:55
my God, like at least we got somewhere with this.
00:55:58
But I hated that they dumped any ounce of ambiguity.
00:56:02
They just straight up said, yeah, all of this is just the devil's work.
00:56:06
Osgood Perkins has another movie that touches on Satanism.
00:56:09
And I thought that that was way better in that aspect where the entire thing is very
00:56:13
ambiguous.
00:56:14
And at the end, there's a debate to be had about whether you think like this was
00:56:19
Satan or this was just in their head.
00:56:21
That is much more interesting to me in a script than just blatantly saying like,
00:56:26
sorry, mommy had to do murder.
00:56:29
That's literally like not even that far off of what she says.
00:56:34
There was a woman who used to be a nurse, but now her job was murdering families.
00:56:39
That's a terrible line.
00:56:41
That's bad writing, I'm sorry.
00:56:45
And that's why I had to take points away.
00:56:46
And I will say in this movie's credit,
00:56:50
I was let down.
00:56:51
I felt like the marketing was masterful.
00:56:53
I had seen so many people that I follow on my TikTok talk about this movie in high
00:56:58
regards and give it five out of five stars and say that it's the best movie of the
00:57:02
year.
00:57:02
I don't think so.
00:57:04
It's not even in my top three.
00:57:06
So that's where I'm at with it.
00:57:10
Hot take.
00:57:11
I know, I'm sorry.
00:57:14
Five out of five.
00:57:16
And I fucking I said in his comment section, I'm blaming you personally if
00:57:22
this movie disappoints me.
00:57:23
So, Cinema Joe, you and I have beef.
00:57:26
You don't know who I am, but we have beef.
00:57:32
Well, interesting that I'm the one that's closer to Cinema Joe's review compared to
00:57:36
you.
00:57:37
usually agree with him, but every once in a while he steers me wrong.
00:57:40
And you know what it is, I think, I think I've pinpointed what it is that me and him
00:57:44
do not agree on.
00:57:45
I'm talking about him like he's a close personal friend now.
00:57:50
It's that Joe, my pal Joe, loves stylistic choices.
00:57:56
and he will put that above substance.
00:57:59
And so I think that that is true in this movie.
00:58:01
I think that that is true in Infinity Pool.
00:58:03
I think that that is true in In a Violent Nature.
00:58:05
All of those movies, he did high reviews and all of those movies left me
00:58:10
disappointed.
00:58:11
And so I think it's just, I think that's what it is.
00:58:14
I think you put some jazzy cinematography in front of that man and he'll eat it up.
00:58:19
Yeah.
00:58:20
I mean, this movie is not a five.
00:58:25
There's room for improvement.
00:58:27
There's room for improvement.
00:58:29
But I do agree that it's better than what you thought it was.
00:58:34
Crazy.
00:58:35
That's totally fair.
00:58:35
And I might rewatch this in a year.
00:58:38
But that's my thing.
00:58:41
I didn't hate it.
00:58:42
I wasn't mad to sit through it again.
00:58:44
I was interested to see those moments that I missed and catch on some of the
00:58:49
foreshadowing that I missed and stuff like that.
00:58:51
But yeah, maybe in a year I'll rewatch it.
00:58:54
Because I mean, the same thing happened with Hereditary and A Quiet Place.
00:58:58
Both of those were so hyped up that initially when I watched them, I was
00:59:02
disappointed.
00:59:02
I still don't think either of those are a five out of five for me, but like I did
00:59:05
rate them much higher when we reviewed them on the podcast than I would have the
00:59:09
day after watching them.
00:59:10
You know what I mean?
00:59:12
So it could go higher or maybe I'll think about the killer dolls a little bit more
00:59:16
and rate it lower.
00:59:17
Who's to say?
00:59:18
Again, again, the dolls weren't killing anybody.
00:59:21
It was the devil.
00:59:23
just saying.
00:59:23
The devil inside a doll's head is a stupid fucking entity.
00:59:29
I don't think that the brain of the doll was necessary.
00:59:35
That's where the devil lives, kd, so he had to be there.
00:59:37
Yeah, but does the devil need a metal orb in which to live?
00:59:42
Does the devil need a doll in the first place?
00:59:45
That's my issue, kd!
00:59:46
It needs some sort of disciple.
00:59:48
needs a vehicle for spreading the word, the good word or the bad
00:59:55
what I'm gonna say.
00:59:56
This is a fictional story about the devil.
00:59:59
So no, he doesn't.
01:00:00
He works however you decide he works.
01:00:04
Well, however, Oz decides he works and Oz doesn't even know.
01:00:08
shoot.
01:00:09
know!
01:00:15
Yeah, anyways.
01:00:16
That's fine.
01:00:18
year, but it is my favorite horror movie so
01:00:20
Mine's still, I Saw the TV Glow.
01:00:21
That one's up there for me.
01:00:24
And then what were the other, I was like, I had at least two other movies that I
01:00:28
gave.
01:00:28
I would give four out of five stars.
01:00:30
Lisa Frankenstein, I gave four out of five stars.
01:00:32
The movie's a bop.
01:00:35
I also, I think I liked The First Omen better.
01:00:41
I haven't seen
01:00:42
That movie slaps, we should watch it.
01:00:43
Yeah, it's a prequel to the original.
01:00:51
it's the first.
01:00:51
That makes sense.
01:00:52
It's, it's, so it's the first one?
01:00:54
Yeah, that does make sense.
01:00:57
It's the first omen.
01:00:58
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:59
you know, like, we did the Omen.
01:01:01
I wasn't even that huge of a fan of the Omen.
01:01:04
Like, it's a decent movie.
01:01:06
It's fine.
01:01:06
I didn't think of...
01:01:08
I guess that's also...
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that does contribute to it too, though.
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Like, I went into The First Omen with, like, kind of...
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Meh.
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Expectations.
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So when it exceeded my expectations, I think that pushed it up, you
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Yeah, fair.
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That's the risk of really good marketing, I guess.
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Get everybody's hopes up.
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Worked on me.
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Well, I'm And we weren't that, we were a point off.
01:01:28
It's not that crazy of a difference.
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Not, it's not nearly our biggest dispute on this podcast.
01:01:36
20 % and two letter grades.
01:01:38
Okay.
01:01:40
The Menu is still our biggest discrepancy.
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Don't even get me started.
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I need to watch it again.
01:01:47
It's about time.
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we're gonna be already decided.
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We're watching it on Friday the 13th when you're at my house so that we can hold
01:01:54
hands and cuddle.
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And I can be like, wasn't that funny, kd?
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And you'll be like, it was!
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We can all laugh together.
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it'll be so fun.
01:02:02
We'll have mimosas and snacks.
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So many mimosa's and snacks.
01:02:09
Yeah, okay, it'll be fun.
01:02:10
It'll be a good
01:02:11
Alright, question of the year.
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Would you survive Longlegs?
01:02:16
Uhhhh I think so.
01:02:18
Okay.
01:02:19
I'm not nine.
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Great.
01:02:21
Nor do I have a nine year old.
01:02:23
Amazing.
01:02:25
Yeah.
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I said, yeah, my birthday is not on the 14th, so easy peasy.
01:02:31
Yeah.
01:02:32
Your kid's birthday is not.
01:02:33
If we combined our birthdays we're fucked.
01:02:35
The podcast is dead!
01:02:40
No, that's not how Longlegs works.
01:02:42
Yeah, and no, my kid's birthday is not
01:02:45
Yeah, exactly, so we're both good.
01:02:46
This is the easiest one, so no, well, there's been others that are easier.
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But this one was pretty easy.
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Unless you're born on the 14th, in which case, RIP to you, I guess.
01:02:55
Sorry all the nine -year -olds listening who have birthday's on the 14th.
01:03:01
Statistically though, how many of those are there?
01:03:06
I don't know, because it could be any month.
01:03:08
That's 12 out of 365.
01:03:10
yeah, it is.
01:03:12
Yep, well anyway.
01:03:14
Great!
01:03:18
We had to film out of order because this is a new movie so you've already seen next
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week's film.
01:03:22
Thank God.
01:03:24
Makes my brain hurt to guess the movies.
01:03:29
Again, I do want to clarify that you chose to do that segment.
01:03:36
Yeah, that's fair.
01:03:37
it right.
01:03:38
Sometimes you just want to win, you
01:03:40
But I think what's gonna be great is that on episode 375, you're gonna get it right.
01:03:46
And we're gonna lose our goddamn minds, Remember when you got Sarah's name right
01:03:55
in The Descent?
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We went crazy.
01:03:59
It's gonna be like that but better.
01:04:01
Yeah, yeah.
01:04:04
yeah.
01:04:05
I was just I just threw out all my aunts and cousins names when I did The Descent.
01:04:12
I like it.
01:04:13
Well yeah, next week I guess we'll tell the audience what we're watching.
01:04:16
We're watching Fresh, a Hulu original.
01:04:19
yeah, I've seen that.
01:04:26
I have.
01:04:28
So yeah, I'm excited though.
01:04:31
I'm excited to hear or to hear it.
01:04:34
Nope, I'm gonna hold on.
01:04:36
I'm excited for everybody to hear us talk about that movie.
01:04:41
Great.
01:04:42
Lots of cannibal things happening.
01:04:44
When was the last cannibal thing?
01:04:45
And then Silence of the Lambs and
01:04:48
okay, the relation to a movie about cannibalism.
01:04:51
Yeah, and then also another, didn't we just do another cannibal movie?
01:04:55
We did Fresh.
01:04:57
We did Raw, we did Silence.
01:05:02
It wasn't even that long, really, in April?
01:05:06
So we recorded that in March?
01:05:08
my God, that was a long time ago.
01:05:09
Four months
01:05:10
a long time ago.
01:05:11
I know that's what I'm telling you.
01:05:16
Time flies when you're making a podcast with your pal.
01:05:25
All right, well, appreciate
01:05:29
Yeah, make sure you like and subscribe.
01:05:31
Please, and let us know what you thought of Longlegs.
01:05:36
I wanna know.
01:05:37
I wanna discover a love for this movie.
01:05:40
I'm jealous.
01:05:42
Me.
01:05:46
No, the great thing about rating is that it's all subjective.
01:05:49
Everybody's right because it's how you felt about it.
01:05:51
yeah, yeah.
01:05:53
Well, if you if you gave this a one, you're wrong.
01:05:55
If you give this a five, you're absolutely wrong.
01:05:59
See how she said the absolutely before the five?
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I think that's telling.
01:06:02
Anyways.
01:06:03
there is very clearly stuff to, it's not a one, but there are some things it could
01:06:09
work on.
01:06:10
More Nicolas Cage.
01:06:11
Less giant exposition dump from the mom.
01:06:15
Yeah, that was...
01:06:16
It was rough, but it was okay.
01:06:19
It was
01:06:19
Especially because at that point in the movie, we already knew basically
01:06:23
everything she was telling us.
01:06:27
Yeah.
01:06:28
Anyways, cool.
01:06:29
Let us know what you thought about Longlegs.
01:06:31
Keep an eye out for Fresh next week, and thank you for listening.
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Thanks, bye!
01:06:36
Bye!