The Fly, a 1957 sci-fi horror short short story published in Playboy by George Langelaan, has spawned numerous iconic movies, sequels, and reboots over the decades. Join us as we dissect the 1958 original movie starring Al Hedison and Patricia Owens and the 1986 David Cronenberg reboot starring Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis.
Summary: A scientist’s groundbreaking experiment goes wrong when he unintentionally fuses his body with that of a fly.
Horror News
👉 Henry Selick and Neil Gaiman teaming up for The Ocean at the End of the Lane: https://variety.com/2024/film/global/henry-selick-neil-gaiman-pixar-coraline-annecy-1236033866/
👉 Dark Universe details announced: https://deadline.com/2024/06/dark-universe-orlando-rides-details-photos-1235978661/
👉 New Blumhouse movie set in the M3GAN universe, SOULM8TE: https://deadline.com/2024/06/m3gan-movie-soulm8te-release-date-1235979125/
👉 Brandy to star in A24 movie by Sam Eggers, The Front Room: https://variety.com/2024/film/trailers/brandy-the-front-room-trailer-a24-max-sam-eggers-1236041941/
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In this episode, kd (incorrectly) guesses the plot of the Hulu sci-fi horror hit, No One Will Save You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcA02w6rm44
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Hello?
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Hi!
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Happy Tuesday!
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Happy Tuesday!
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Welcome back to Killer Cuties Podcast.
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That's us.
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I'd just like to kick off today's episode with a little corrections corner.
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Shame, shame, shame.
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No, kidding.
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Yes.
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I don't know what the hell I was thinking.
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Well, I mean, I kind of do.
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Just bear with me for a second.
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So a few weeks ago, we talked about how Michael Giacchino, one of my favorite and
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arguably one of the best film composers of all time, is going to be directing a
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remake of a horror classic.
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I thought that what we or I had announced was that he's directing the remake of The
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Fly.
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And that's what brings us all here today.
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We decided to review.
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both of the flies so that we could then celebrate the news of the remake.
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But what Mike G is actually directing is a remake of a movie called Them, which if
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you look at the poster, which I will link in the description, you might be able to
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see why I got confused.
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Because it is a 50s movie with giant ants.
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Yeah, not flies.
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not flies.
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So all I had to say, I was wrong.
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It's Them that's being remade, not.
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You know what though, you had me convinced, because you said that and I was
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like, yeah, we absolutely talked about a Fly remake.
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Like, you implanted the memory immediately and I took it.
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I ate it up.
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Yeah.
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Well, and there's so there's a rumor or there was a rumor back in like 2017 or
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some shit that they were going to remake it and Zendaya was going to be in it.
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But that does not appear to be true either.
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Everybody's making up shit.
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Well.
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Who are we if not liars on the internet, you know?
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Very true.
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Very true.
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I have some news.
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Me too.
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You go first.
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Okay, so Henry Selick, he directed Coraline,
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is planning on making another movie based on a Neil Gaiman book.
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Yeah, so he's going to be The Graveyard Book?
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Which Neil Gaiman book?
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If you'll listen.
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Maybe it is about a guy going back home for a funeral.
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He's going to be adapting The House at The End of The Lane.
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It's not the graveyard.
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Okay, sorry.
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No.
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So no.
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But it is a horror story and Henry Selick has said that he kind of sees it as being
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a sort of companion piece to Coraline because of the themes that are in it.
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So that's exciting.
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Is it the same like stop motion?
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We don't know yet.
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He basically has a treatment written and he's got some like concept art and design
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drawings and stuff like that that he's shopping around.
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So in the process of trying to get it sold and then I think we'll find out more once
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production actually begins.
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fun.
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I hope it's a like a film like as the animation.
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Yeah, there's a there's like a horror movie slash like a exhibit at the Museum
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of Pop Culture in Seattle and the artistry really helps you appreciate the artistry
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and like everything that goes into it.
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So hopefully.
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Yeah, I think you talked about that when we did our episode on Stopmotion.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We're running out of things to talk about.
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Clearly, we're just talking about the same shit.
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Well, if people just joined now and didn't want to listen to our old episodes.
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Yeah, now you know.
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Alright, I've got one big one.
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Long one.
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I've got a long one.
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It's medium news, but it's a long one.
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Earlier this year, we got the announcement about Epic Universe.
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It's a new multi -world experience coming to Universal Orlando next year, 2025.
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Well, Dark Universe is one of the five worlds.
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It's horror themed, and we just got a ton of details and all the concept art for it.
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Yeah, so I'm going to just rattle off all the things that were released.
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All of the attraction shops, etc.
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are set within a fictional village called Darkmoor, which is a village where
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Frankenstein has dumped a bunch of his experiments.
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Okay.
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There's a Frankenstein themed dark ride that takes you into the catacombs of
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Frankenstein Manor.
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There's a quote spinning family coaster called Curse of the Werewolf, which is
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obviously inspired by the Wolfman.
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There's a monster makeup experience for guests of all ages.
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Yeah, a monster meet and greet.
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A steakhouse, but it's spelled like stake, like a wooden stake.
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Get it?
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Yep, yep.
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not steak.
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Mmm.
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and Sammy's, and then a tavern that periodically catches on fire, from what it
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sounds like, which also inexplicably sells burgers.
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No!
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Why is the food not themed?
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the Tavern also has some German inspired food, but they sell burgers too.
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Very strange.
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But why isn't the steakhouse selling like things on stakes, like kebabs?
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It is.
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They are selling kebabs.
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They do have kebabs.
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why did you say burgers then, kd?
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they sell burgers and it's weird that the tavern also sells burgers.
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But you're right.
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So I didn't put the connection.
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I didn't make the connection that the kebabs were important because it was
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called Stakehouse.
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What was important to me was that they're bolstering fucking burgers.
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God.
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shit.
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Okay.
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Great.
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so two burger restaurants and then a snack stand and several retail locations.
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So lots of details to be released in the coming months.
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Keep an eye out.
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But if you want to see the concept art or read more, we'll put a linky in the
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descrinky.
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a linky in the descr...
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what did you say?
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Descr...
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descrinkey.
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I hate it.
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Thanks.
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I don't think we have not once said that we'll put a link in the description while
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recording.
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I dropped my fidget.
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But I really doubled down.
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I wrote that in my script today.
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We're saying we're putting links in the description.
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yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I feel like I always say like, yeah, we should do that.
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I never say we absolutely will because you do that part.
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So I'm like, if she does it, she does it.
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absolutely will.
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okay, last news for me.
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Atomic Monster and Blumhouse, Bloomhouse?
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One day.
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One day I'll figure that out.
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they're...
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Cause I want to say bloom house.
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That feels correct to me, but I hear everybody else saying blum house and then
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it gaslights me.
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Yeah, I think it is blum.
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It's like how, like living in LA, everybody says Los Feliz, even though like
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it's Los Feliz.
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And it's everybody in LA calls it Los Feliz.
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It's Los Feliz.
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That's, it's literally called Los Feliz here.
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That's what everybody calls it.
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And like 10 years later, I still refuse.
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Anyways, Atomic Monster and Blumhouse are developing a movie called Soulm8te,
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stylized with an Ate, where the A is, which makes me upset because then it's
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Soulmate -t.
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So they didn't replace the T also?
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No, the T and the E are still there.
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So it's soul mate te.
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Anyways, it's going to be a spinoff of M3gan.
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So Megan with the three, they're putting numbers that don't actually mean anything
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in there.
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Anyways, it's going to center on a man who acquires an AI android to cope with the
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loss of his recently deceased wife, which is just the same plot as the Black Mirror
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episode called Be Right Back.
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So.
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Yeah.
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We'll see.
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We'll see about that one.
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I'm skeptical, to be honest, but they're expanding the Megan universe.
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Okay.
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Whatever you say.
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Maybe it'll be like a bridge between the two movies or something.
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That'd be cool.
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The two Megan movies.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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They don't really say it's like a sequel.
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It's like a spinoff.
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So I don't know.
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We'll find out.
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Okay.
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I've got one more.
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Brandy.
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You know, the singer.
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But also the star of the 1997 hit sequel.
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I Still Know What You Did Last Summer.
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I was thinking of the best Cinderella ever made, but that's just me.
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I forgot where we were, sorry.
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Yeah, she's returning to horror after 26 years and 26 years since she's done a
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horror movie with an A24 movie from the producers of The Lighthouse and The Witch.
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It's called The Front Room.
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It's a psychological horror.
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She stars Brandy stars and we just got our first trailer.
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So feel free to check that out in the episode description below.
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Okay, same producers.
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Do we know the director yet?
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Is it Eggers or no?
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Okay, because he directs...
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Well, Eggers directed The Lighthouse and The Witch, so yeah.
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But I feel like that'd be a real, that'd be an announcement, I feel like, if he
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was.
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we have the trailer, so we know who directed it.
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Who directed it?
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The trailer just came out.
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I'm looking.
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This is your news.
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Yes, Sam and Max.
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Sam and Max Eggers?
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that is not the Eggers that I...
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Robert Eggers is the director of The Lighthouse and The Witch.
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I don't know.
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Did we just discover a nepotism family?
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How many can there be?
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don't know!
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Who's Sam and Max Eggers?
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I'm looking.
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Yeah, the producers of The Lighthouse and The Witch.
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written and directed by...
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It's a Nepo family, the whole family!
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Written and directed by Max and Sam Eggers, producers of The Witch and the
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Lighthouse and younger brothers of Robert Eggers.
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Okay, we've cracked the code.
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Crazy.
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What a terrible last name.
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Eggers?
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I don't like it.
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It wouldn't be the one I chose, but you know.
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Well, that's what you missed on horror news.
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Incredible.
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All right.
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We are here today to talk about The Fly.
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Which fly, you may ask?
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Both.
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Both of them, not the one that's being remade because it's not.
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Not the fictional remake that we made up, but the 1958 and the 1986 versions, not
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the sequels.
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We didn't go that deep.
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Maybe one day.
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Yeah.
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Alright, I'll kick us off with a little overview.
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Thanks.
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So here's a description if it's been a while since you've seen them or if you
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haven't seen them and you just love spoilers.
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For the 1958 version, when scientist Andre tests his matter transporter on himself,
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an errant housefly makes its way into the transportation chamber and things go
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horribly wrong.
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As a result, Andre's head and arm are now that of an insect, a fly.
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Slowly losing himself to the fly, he turns to his wife, Helene, for help.
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But when tragedy strikes, Andre's brother and Inspector Charras are forced to pick
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up the investigation.
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1986's:
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Pretty much the same concept.
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When scientist Seth Brundle completes his teleportation device, he decides to test
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its abilities on himself.
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Unbeknownst to him, a housefly, again, slips into him during the process leading
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to the merger of a man and insect.
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Not as half -way split though this time.
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More of a gradual transition.
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Initially, Brundle appears to have undergone a successful teleportation, but
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the fly's cells begin to take over his body.
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As he becomes increasingly fly -like, Brundle's girlfriend is horrified as the
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person she once loved.
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deteriorates into a monster.
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The 1958 version was directed by Kurt Neumann, screenplay by James Clavell, and
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it is based on the short story, The Fly, by George Langelaan.
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It stars Al Hedison.
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He's credited as Al Hedison, but now he goes by David Hedison.
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So to eliminate confusion, let's just call him David Hedison, because I think that's
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what he's listed as in all the fun facts and stuff like that.
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Patricia Owens and Vincent Price.
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This is one of the few movies kind of
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deemed him a scream king.
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The original has a 7 .1 on IMDb and a 95 % critic score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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The 1986 version, directed by David Cronenberg, screenplay by Charles Edward
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Pogue and David Cronenberg.
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It is also based on the short story by George Langelaan and stars Jeff Goldblum
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and Geena Davis.
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It's got a 7 .6 on IMDb and a 93 % critic score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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So pretty comparable.
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I want to say too that the 1986 had a higher Rotten Tomatoes audience score than
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the 58 version, but not by much.
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They're both very highly rated both for critics and audiences.
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Interesting.
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The 86 won an Academy Award.
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It did.
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So objectively it's better.
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HA!
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Hahaha!
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Objectively.
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Do you want to tell people what the Academy Award was for?
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Yeah, sure.
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It was...
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You know, I'll get there.
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Chris Wallace.
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Yeah, I mean, there's a little there's a little story behind it.
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The first name that you see in the credits of the 86 version is Chris Wallace, the
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creator and designer of the Brundle Fly makeup.
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They screened the movie.
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Audience cheered.
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They loved the Brundle Fly makeup when they saw Chris Wallace's name.
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So Stuart Cornfeld one of the producers, turned to Chris and was like, you're going
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to get an Oscar.
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People love you.
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You're getting an Oscar.
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And that came true.
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He did in fact win the Academy Award for Best Makeup, which is the only nomination
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that the film received at all.
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And they won it.
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Yeah!
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So cute.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what else was on the docket that year, but I'd say well deserved.
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Aliens.
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Aliens.
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Aliens the sequel?
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yeah, because it was like double billed.
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yeah, they were featured together, which is so fun.
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What a year.
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Double feature?
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I'd cream my jeans.
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I swear Aliens won something.
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Probably not an Academy Award.
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The Academy hates horror.
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Come on.
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This is horror.
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But that's...
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Yeah, and that should speak to just how good it was even for the time.
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That horror won.
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I mean, crazy.
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And honestly, I feel like the effects hold up fairly well.
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Like, yes, obviously, like we can do better now.
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But like, I still watch this movie and I'm like, it's pretty gross.
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Yeah, the like, cum, which was not cum, looked like cum, was like milk and honey
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and eggs whipped up a little bit.
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Yeah.
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HATED THAT.
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Yeah, you really.
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Ewie.
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It was, yeah, yeah.
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I think it was,
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Jeff Goldblum, no, Jeff Goldblum.
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See how it said Bloom?
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Just want to throw that out there.
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Anyways, Jeff Goldblum wrote a letter to Vincent Price when he was doing this movie
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and basically said, I hope you like this as much as I liked yours.
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And Price was like really touched by the letter.
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So he wrote a reply after he saw the film and was like,
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It was really wonderful up to a certain point and then it went too far.
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Yeah
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So I like that.
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It...
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Yes, the 58 version or 56 version was very tame.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Apparently it was a lot.
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The 80s version was a lot worse, too.
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There were some scenes that they had to cut out because test audiences were like,
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no.
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They said no.
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One where Brundle sets a cat and a baboon into the teleporter.
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and they mutate together and then he beats them to death with a pipe.
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That's the one the test audiences were really like, no thank you.
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And then Brundle supposedly climbs on the outside of the building and an insect limb
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emerges from his side.
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I'm really bummed that that one didn't make it.
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It would have been really uncomfortable.
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And then.
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feel like that one's like, weird that they took that one out, but left in the maggot
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baby.
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Yeah.
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That feels...
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One of those things feels worse than the other.
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which is there's another scene about the unborn baby that was made.
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It's where the baby is a beautiful butterfly instead.
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Yeah, a beautiful butterfly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But anyway, yeah, two of those scenes I wouldn't have minded being in there.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind those scenes.
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The beating the cat baboon to death.
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That's fine.
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You can leave that.
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No, thank you.
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I don't think that would have added anything.
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And in fact, I feel like it would have made Brundle a less sympathetic character.
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You'd kind of be rooting for him to die, whereas the whole time you're kind of
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rooting for them to find the answer.
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But yeah, that actually was, I know, in the original story that it's based off of,
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the ending.
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the guy goes back through the teleportation thing, he tries to undo it,
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but particles of the cat that he had put in way earlier are still in there, and
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then that gets fused to him, and that's when he realizes even if they find the
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fly, it doesn't matter because there's still leftover particles, and that's when
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he gives up and tells his wife to off him.
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And that was left out of both, so.
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Which I mean like the 86 version, or I'm getting my years confused, is it 86?
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it's 86, 58, 86.
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86 58.
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Okay.
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Yes, I know I was repeating it so that I can commit it to memory.
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But yeah, they definitely like took, I feel like more liberties with I feel like
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the original was more true to the original story.
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Whereas Cronenberg's version definitely like took more liberties and kind of kept
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the base of the story there but took more liberties with the characters and the
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storyline a little bit.
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Totally.
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And I feel like they did a good job with the 80s version kind of adapting it to a
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new decade.
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Totally.
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But one thing we didn't mention or maybe you mentioned it briefly, but didn't
00:20:26
clarify the both versions, but the 56 version especially.
00:20:32
56, 58.
00:20:35
58.
00:20:38
Was based off of the George Langelaan, right?
00:20:43
George Langelaan.
00:20:44
I think so, yeah.
00:20:46
story, but it was first published in Playboy magazine.
00:20:51
It was, yes.
00:20:52
Yeah, that's kind of fun.
00:20:55
And like you said, it was the original script before some changes was written
00:21:00
very faithfully to the short story.
00:21:03
But the 20th Century Fox executives wanted a happy ending and the short story ends
00:21:10
with the wife offing herself.
00:21:13
Yep.
00:21:13
So they had to do some rewrites.
00:21:16
Yeah, they didn't want that tragic of an ending.
00:21:20
Yeah.
00:21:20
Yeah.
00:21:21
This was actually my first time watching the original.
00:21:24
sorry.
00:21:25
It was, yes.
00:21:26
I had not seen the 58 version.
00:21:29
In fact, I only saw the 86 version like five years ago for the first time.
00:21:36
Yeah, I've rewatched it quite a few times since then.
00:21:41
But yeah, I remember I was over at my friend T'Airrashay's house.
00:21:45
We've mentioned T'Airrashay before.
00:21:46
She's a listener.
00:21:46
Hi, babe.
00:21:49
But yeah, I was over at her house and our other friend Michael was there.
00:21:54
And there was like a moment of lull.
00:21:58
And I remember Michael just, he's a very, very like quiet person.
00:22:01
And he just goes, you like fucked up movies, right, Cassidy?
00:22:05
I was like, yeah.
00:22:09
And he's like, all right, let's watch The Fly.
00:22:11
He put this on and it was my first time watching it.
00:22:14
And we were like drinking and I was like, what is fucking going on?
00:22:20
And it was great, I loved every second.
00:22:24
so fun.
00:22:26
So then you were just as surprised as I was to see a scene from the Disney classic
00:22:31
90s animated film, The Emperor's New Groove in the 1958 version of the plot.
00:22:36
What?
00:22:37
Yeah, the web scene with the man fly stuck in the web.
00:22:43
Help me, help me!
00:22:45
That's in Emperor's New Groove.
00:22:48
Yes, in my defense, I did know that that was from this movie already, but seeing
00:22:55
it, wow.
00:22:59
Nothing could quite compete with that.
00:23:01
That was...
00:23:04
Peak Cinema.
00:23:06
I was dying.
00:23:07
Yeah.
00:23:08
Yeah.
00:23:09
the actor that plays Francois, right?
00:23:12
Francois and Philippe, the son?
00:23:16
The son and the uncle.
00:23:18
They used a teeny tiny animatronic to make the head and the arms move on the fly's
00:23:24
body, I guess.
00:23:25
And they would not stop laughing at it.
00:23:28
It's like an unintentionally very funny scene.
00:23:31
And it's just even funnier knowing that it's in an animated Disney movie 30 years
00:23:35
later.
00:23:35
funny.
00:23:37
Yeah, I feel like both of these movies, I mean, Help Me is like very much the most
00:23:42
iconic scene from the original.
00:23:45
And I feel like it almost, I don't know, it's weird because...
00:23:48
I might be biased, right?
00:23:49
Because I saw the 86 version first, and I feel like you almost connect more with
00:23:56
whichever one you see first, right?
00:23:59
But when you watch an original movie and then they remake it and they don't include
00:24:07
what makes it so iconic, you're kind of like, what the fuck?
00:24:10
But then I'm also like, I think it almost makes sense that they didn't in the 86
00:24:13
because you can't recreate that.
00:24:15
And you can't like...
00:24:17
make it serious because it is now a campy - even though like back then it probably
00:24:21
wasn't.
00:24:22
It's like now it would just not read the same way.
00:24:24
So I think it was a smart move to not include it even though maybe The Fly
00:24:29
purists would be mad.
00:24:31
Yeah, I mean, they in their defense, they took a completely different like molecular
00:24:38
play on it as opposed to like swapping bodies.
00:24:43
Freaky Friday style.
00:24:48
It was more of a like you're now one creature.
00:24:53
So it makes sense from like a plot perspective, but yeah, I could see how
00:24:56
some of the purists might not like that.
00:24:58
Yeah, and I mean, maybe they do because they both have very good ratings.
00:25:03
So clearly they were both well received.
00:25:07
But yeah, I know David Cronenberg was like, he didn't think that it made sense
00:25:11
to just have a giant fly head on your head.
00:25:14
So he was like, no, he wanted it to be like a literal fusion of a man and a fly
00:25:22
instead of this like split down the middle, like half and half version.
00:25:26
Yeah.
00:25:28
Yeah.
00:25:29
very much on board with that.
00:25:31
Yeah, good.
00:25:33
In the original, David Hedison, right?
00:25:39
David Hedison originally suggested a progressive makeup idea as opposed to that
00:25:46
big fly head reveal at the end, but apparently it was just too expensive and
00:25:51
time consuming to do it that way, so it was rejected.
00:25:54
And then, of course, that is one of the things that made the 86 version so iconic.
00:25:58
Yeah.
00:25:58
I could see how like maybe that wouldn't have worked as well back in the 50s.
00:26:04
Yeah, I know in the original too they had to re -dub one of the scenes when they're
00:26:10
like Andre and Helene are out in the garden because the birds were too loud so
00:26:14
they couldn't hear anything they were saying and David Hedison was like, he
00:26:19
hated dubbing stuff so he was like, I had to catch a flight, I just didn't put any
00:26:23
effort into it whatsoever so that's why that scene's so flat because he was like
00:26:28
over it.
00:26:29
no.
00:26:30
Oops.
00:26:30
Yeah, it probably made it feel a little bit more realistic because I feel like
00:26:34
acting back then was so different, like it was so like over the top dramatic.
00:26:39
It probably felt like the most normal scene in the whole movie.
00:26:44
yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:46
There's supposedly a Mandela effect that a lot of people who saw this movie thought
00:26:50
it was in black and white.
00:26:52
Which, yeah, the 58, yeah.
00:26:55
Which in hindsight is probably a little bit justified because one, the two sequels
00:27:02
are in black and white.
00:27:04
So like, you know, you would think.
00:27:06
And then two, people had black and white TVs until the 80s.
00:27:10
So...
00:27:11
Yeah, a lot of people probably did watch it in black and white because they didn't
00:27:16
have TVs that had color.
00:27:19
Yeah.
00:27:19
Not too far -fetched of a mandela, but...
00:27:22
Yeah.
00:27:24
I feel like a lot of mandelas can be explained by like stuff like that though,
00:27:28
you know?
00:27:29
Yeah.
00:27:29
Yeah, in the original, Andre wears the same clothes in almost every scene, except
00:27:36
the night that Helene and him go to the ballet.
00:27:39
Which also, did the way that they say ballet annoy you.
00:27:43
How'd they say it?
00:27:43
I forget.
00:27:44
They put the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable.
00:27:48
They said ballet instead of ballet.
00:27:52
I say ballet sometimes unironically because that's how they say it in Phantom
00:27:57
of the Opera.
00:27:58
I got tickets to the ballet.
00:28:00
I was like, what's happening?
00:28:03
they didn't bother me at all.
00:28:04
That's what they say it in Phantom of the Opera.
00:28:05
Ballet.
00:28:05
It's like I've tried to watch The X -Files nine times and I can't get through the
00:28:09
first episode because of the way that David Duchovny says Oregon.
00:28:12
It's Oregon!
00:28:15
What are you doing?
00:28:16
Yeah, eee.
00:28:17
Anyways, the whole reason I even brought up that fun fact is because I thought it
00:28:22
was kind of like...
00:28:23
I don't know if it was intentional in the remake because I couldn't find anything
00:28:27
saying that it was.
00:28:29
But like in the remake, he has the whole closet of the same clothes because he
00:28:33
doesn't want to have to like think about what to wear.
00:28:35
And I was like, that's kind of interesting because in the original he wears the same
00:28:39
thing.
00:28:39
Yeah, that's so cute.
00:28:40
I love that.
00:28:42
know, but I couldn't find anything that that was like an intentional thing that
00:28:46
they did, so I don't know.
00:28:49
I feel like, right?
00:28:51
to be.
00:28:52
Put it on TikTok, maybe Cronenberg will respond to it.
00:28:56
Mr.
00:28:56
Cronenberg, please respond to me.
00:28:58
Please!
00:28:59
Did you do that on purpose?
00:29:00
I bet you did!
00:29:02
And if you didn't, if you didn't do that on purpose, lie and say that you did
00:29:07
anyway.
00:29:09
Yeah, I think they even made like a joke about, well, not a joke.
00:29:13
I don't know if it was referencing this again, but I think Jeff Goldblum's
00:29:18
character in Jurassic Park also like makes a similar comment that he only wears like
00:29:22
black and gray because he doesn't want to have to worry too much about what to wear.
00:29:26
Yeah.
00:29:28
Yeah.
00:29:30
Who?
00:29:31
Every cartoon character?
00:29:33
Mark Zuckerberg, that one girl with the blood testing Theranos thing.
00:29:38
yeah, what was her name?
00:29:39
Elizabeth Holmes.
00:29:42
Yeah, you're right.
00:29:44
Holmes.
00:29:44
talked like this so that people would take her more seriously.
00:29:49
Yeah.
00:29:54
there was a pause there.
00:30:00
So the 86 version came out kind of in like the height of the AIDS epidemic.
00:30:07
And a lot of people felt that there was very strong connections with this film
00:30:12
about this like disease that's ravaging the body and you know.
00:30:18
having a loved one go through that and seeing them suffer and kind of lose
00:30:21
themselves in this.
00:30:23
And David Cronenberg was like surprised that people made that connection because
00:30:26
he was thinking of it more as just like a general disease like cancer or something
00:30:30
like that.
00:30:31
But he said it made sense and he was more than happy that people connected with it
00:30:36
on that level.
00:30:37
But yeah, kind of a heavy one.
00:30:41
But I do think that it's kind of a good representation and probably meant a lot to
00:30:46
people during that time.
00:30:48
Seriously, yeah.
00:30:49
I mean, he also said that it was, he was thinking more of like a metaphor for the
00:30:55
aging process too.
00:30:57
Which I mean, both can easily be, anybody can relate to either of those things.
00:31:04
Yeah, absolutely.
00:31:05
Total sidetrack here.
00:31:06
How do we know David Cronenberg?
00:31:08
Because I looked through all of his - I know his name.
00:31:10
I've said his name out loud many many times.
00:31:12
I'm pretty sure.
00:31:13
How do we know him?
00:31:15
I looked through all of his movies and I didn't see anything I recognized.
00:31:19
because we have talked about his son, Brandon Cronenberg, many times.
00:31:27
Infinity Pool.
00:31:29
gross!
00:31:31
Disgusting!
00:31:33
Disgusting!
00:31:35
Stop!
00:31:36
How does David Cronenberg create that person that created that movie?
00:31:43
I think it kind of makes sense.
00:31:45
Body horror.
00:31:47
yeah, I guess.
00:31:47
He has other movies.
00:31:49
He did Friday the 13th the series.
00:31:51
David.
00:31:53
Yes, I was like, not Brandon.
00:31:55
But Brandon Cronenberg has other movies that we'll watch it as well.
00:31:59
Okay, better ones than Infinity Pool?
00:32:01
That's not hard, nevermind.
00:32:02
well, he only has three and I've only seen one of them.
00:32:06
And I did like that one better than Infinity Pool, so.
00:32:10
But again, I kind of like eventually want to give Infinity Pool another chance too.
00:32:15
I feel like a lot of the reason why I didn't like it was because it wasn't what
00:32:17
I wanted it to be.
00:32:19
And I'm wondering if I rewatched it knowing what it was, if I would like it
00:32:24
better.
00:32:25
But I'll probably give it some time.
00:32:27
You can watch that the same day I rewatch The Menu.
00:32:30
I want to watch The Menu with you.
00:32:34
person?
00:32:35
Let's do it in person.
00:32:36
Okay, September 13th.
00:32:38
Mark your calendar.
00:32:39
Okay.
00:32:41
We can snuggle.
00:32:42
Okay.
00:32:46
But yes, that is probably why you know David Cronenberg, because we've mentioned
00:32:50
him and his last name in accordance with his son.
00:32:54
Yeah.
00:32:54
The last name is what I knew, obviously.
00:32:57
That makes sense.
00:32:58
God I'm so glad that that that puzzle piece was put together because it was
00:33:04
driving me nuts that I could not rec- I didn't recognize any of his movies I was
00:33:07
like, why are we talking about this guy?
00:33:09
Like what have we said about him in the past?
00:33:12
Yeah, I mean, we'll definitely watch more of his movies because he's done quite a
00:33:16
bit.
00:33:17
And Brandon is doing one of the -
00:33:19
Sorry, I had a visceral reaction to saying that name out loud.
00:33:22
That was terrible.
00:33:23
I gagged a little.
00:33:24
Everybody knows a Brandon that they fucking hate.
00:33:29
Not Brandon Cronenberg.
00:33:30
Brandon Cronenberg's like, fine.
00:33:32
We hate real life Brandon's.
00:33:34
yeah.
00:33:36
He's doing one of the Blumhouse games.
00:33:41
Yeah, yeah.
00:33:43
There we go.
00:33:45
I knew we would talk.
00:33:46
Yeah, I knew we had talked about it.
00:33:49
fucking it, babe.
00:33:54
Anyway, should we talk about this baboon?
00:33:57
yeah, go for it.
00:33:58
I love the baboon.
00:34:00
His name is Typhoon.
00:34:01
Typhoon the baboon.
00:34:04
But apparently, as we learned from The Omen, baboons are very hard to work with.
00:34:10
There was like an accident on the omen where, you know, they had to pry somebody
00:34:14
out of a car because the baboons were going crazy.
00:34:18
But they're very hard to train.
00:34:22
Luckily, though, Typhoon made a like submissive relationship slash connection
00:34:30
with Jeff Goldblum.
00:34:33
And that's why they were always.
00:34:34
Yeah, he's a big boy.
00:34:37
That's why, you know, they were always cuddling and, you know, he would jump
00:34:41
right into his arms and it worked out really well that there was a more like
00:34:45
dominant presence to the baboon.
00:34:48
Like Jeff, it diffused a lot of situations.
00:34:54
Yes, Jeff the Baboon Wrangler.
00:34:57
Yeah.
00:34:59
Ahh.
00:35:01
thought that the I was very impressed by the scene with the baboon Typhoon calling
00:35:06
by his name Typhoon Looking at the fly and like swatting away the fly Like how did
00:35:14
you get him to do that?
00:35:15
They tied a li- like like our parents used to do in the 60s They tied flies to
00:35:22
fishing line and just dangled it around
00:35:24
Yeah.
00:35:25
cute.
00:35:26
My dad used to do that all the time.
00:35:29
Yeah.
00:35:30
He'd use hair though.
00:35:31
How do you, how do you, first of all, how do you catch the fly?
00:35:35
And then second of all, how do you tie a hair around it?
00:35:39
I don't know.
00:35:40
Let me get my Ouija board and ask my dad.
00:35:43
my God.
00:35:44
I could just ask mine not to brag.
00:35:51
Fucking rub it in?
00:35:52
Why don't you?
00:35:55
We just don't have to go to such drastic measures to find out.
00:36:07
my God.
00:36:07
yeah, I don't know.
00:36:08
I feel like to get it, you'd have to have two people, right?
00:36:14
Yeah, you would think.
00:36:15
Well, and fishing line, I don't know if you've ever tied fishing line.
00:36:18
That used to be my job tying fishing line.
00:36:23
Like you gotta get it really tight for it to stay.
00:36:29
Even with like really light line, you gotta, you know, I don't know.
00:36:37
I would like to see that in action.
00:36:39
Yeah.
00:36:40
Well, I eagerly await your dad's response.
00:36:43
Thanks, I'll ask him right now.
00:36:45
Thank you.
00:36:47
quite a few people were considered for the role of Seth Brundle.
00:36:51
Big names, Michael Keaton, John Lithgow, James Woods, Robert De Niro, Mel Gibson,
00:36:59
John Travolta, and Willem Dafoe.
00:37:03
All considered.
00:37:04
Ultimately.
00:37:06
Ultimately Jeff Goldblum won the role.
00:37:11
And then apparently he recommended Geena Davis too, which it was his girlfriend at
00:37:15
the time.
00:37:15
And David Cronenberg was like, yeah.
00:37:18
David Cronenberg was like, maybe I made a mistake.
00:37:20
Like, he's trying to get his girlfriend a role, you know.
00:37:23
I don't know about this.
00:37:24
We'll see.
00:37:25
And then he was like, yeah, no, she nailed it.
00:37:30
Yeah.
00:37:31
Was she a nobody at that point?
00:37:33
Because they read something that said that there were a few women that Laura Dern was
00:37:37
considered, which would have been funny had they had Laura Dern and Jeff Goldblum
00:37:41
been in a movie together that early.
00:37:43
But they wanted a nobody.
00:37:45
And I didn't think that Geena Davis was a nobody at that point.
00:37:48
I think so.
00:37:50
I don't think she'd done anything like super crazy, right?
00:37:55
Because I feel like this and then like Beetlejuice and then like Thelma and
00:38:00
Louise and A League of Their Own were all like her big movies.
00:38:04
But this was came out first of those four.
00:38:07
out?
00:38:08
89?
00:38:09
88.
00:38:11
Okay, so shortly after.
00:38:12
Yeah.
00:38:13
So I think this might've been like the first, cause I know she did TV.
00:38:17
But I don't think she was like a huge name
00:38:19
at the time this came out.
00:38:20
She became a huge name.
00:38:21
Yeah.
00:38:22
in Grey's Anatomy.
00:38:22
Is she?
00:38:24
Yeah, she's a great character in Grey's Anatomy.
00:38:26
Hath.
00:38:27
She's Geena Davis.
00:38:28
She deserves it.
00:38:31
Yeah, she's cool.
00:38:34
Yeah.
00:38:36
Yep.
00:38:36
Yeah.
00:38:38
I don't know why this rubbed me the wrong way, but David Cronenberg playing the
00:38:43
gynecologist was like a little bit weird to me and I read two stories.
00:38:50
One that David Cronenberg met Martin Scorsese and Martin Scorsese was like you
00:38:56
look like a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon, which inspired Cronenberg to give himself
00:39:01
a cameo as a doctor and then two: that They.
00:39:06
hadn't hired anybody on as the doctor yet and Geena Davis was like I've worked
00:39:11
really closely with you David like can you just do it which may make her feel more
00:39:16
comfortable doing the scene so I don't know which is true maybe both
00:39:21
Yeah, I have heard both of those as well, but I feel like I've heard more confirming
00:39:26
that it was Geena Davis' idea.
00:39:30
So that does make me feel more comfortable with it, because I think she was just
00:39:32
like, yeah, someone's going to be down there.
00:39:35
Yeah, yeah, better be somebody I trust.
00:39:39
yeah, so I'm choosing that is my truth.
00:39:43
Geena Davis, let me know if that was incorrect or not.
00:39:51
Chris Wallace, there's so many fun facts and I encourage everybody to like delve
00:39:55
because obviously like we can't talk about everything about these movies.
00:39:59
Like there's so much, but, yeah, he said that working with David Cronenberg was
00:40:06
like really amazing and super different than other directors because normally when
00:40:11
you create a design for a movie, directors will be like, I want like the eyes to be
00:40:15
red or I want this to be bigger.
00:40:17
I want this to be smaller.
00:40:19
you know, like very specific to what the design looks like.
00:40:23
Whereas Cronenberg would be like, it needs to be more in pain.
00:40:28
I want to see confusion in the eyes.
00:40:30
Like he would give it like emotions and like feelings rather than specifics.
00:40:35
And so he said that that felt fuller and covered like more design wise approach to
00:40:41
it.
00:40:41
Like it just felt better to get that feedback rather than like specifics.
00:40:47
Nice, I love that.
00:40:48
Yeah, I think that's really interesting.
00:40:50
I think there was a lot of emotion in the makeup and prosthetics.
00:40:55
The Brundle Fly.
00:40:57
Yeah, the Brundle fly.
00:41:00
Which, by the way, spoiler for the second one.
00:41:06
Martin Fly happens.
00:41:07
Yeah.
00:41:09
Did you watch the sequels?
00:41:11
No, but I kinda want to.
00:41:12
Yeah, I haven't either.
00:41:14
No, not any of them.
00:41:16
You know what I did try to watch?
00:41:18
The Opera by Howard Shore.
00:41:20
Why?
00:41:22
Well, I know he does the music, but...
00:41:26
Okay.
00:41:28
Yeah.
00:41:29
Called The Fly.
00:41:30
Okay.
00:41:32
I guess that does make sense.
00:41:33
You - that seems up your alley.
00:41:36
Yeah.
00:41:36
You didn't like it?
00:41:39
okay.
00:41:40
Yeah, I'm surprised you hadn't mentioned Howard Shore yet, if I'm being honest.
00:41:45
Yeah.
00:41:47
Speaking of my favorite composers that are also arguably the best composers of all
00:41:51
time.
00:41:52
I went blurry.
00:41:55
Yeah, he did the music and usually I am very good at spotting a composer that I
00:42:02
know, but I had no idea until after the fact.
00:42:07
Reading the fun facts.
00:42:08
Sad.
00:42:09
Just not his best work.
00:42:13
Well, Peter Jackson liked it.
00:42:15
Yeah, apparently.
00:42:17
Apparently.
00:42:19
Apparently, this got him Lord of the Rings.
00:42:22
And honestly, thank God he did because he did amazing.
00:42:25
He did!
00:42:26
But no, yeah, there's a two act opera written by Howard Shore.
00:42:33
Nice.
00:42:35
The Fly.
00:42:36
Yeah.
00:42:37
Well, any other fun facts before we rate it?
00:42:40
I don't think so.
00:42:41
We covered the honey eggs and milk thing.
00:42:44
Disgusting.
00:42:46
Ew.
00:42:49
the original, I'll say one more thing about the original because we didn't talk
00:42:53
much about it.
00:42:55
Yeah, there weren't as many fun facts about the original.
00:42:59
Yeah.
00:43:00
Well, this is actually a fact for both films.
00:43:04
So Patricia Owens, who played Helene, had an actual fear of insects.
00:43:10
So she didn't get to see the fly make up until the scene where the fly was
00:43:17
unmasked.
00:43:18
So that was probably a visceral reaction from her, unfortunately.
00:43:22
And then Geena Davis didn't know that Jeff Goldblum's ear was going to fall off.
00:43:29
So that was also an unscripted reaction on Geena Davis' part.
00:43:32
Yeah.
00:43:33
Yeah.
00:43:33
Yeah.
00:43:34
Fun.
00:43:34
though.
00:43:35
Yeah, let's do it.
00:43:36
Let's rate it.
00:43:36
Okay.
00:43:37
How scary did you think it was?
00:43:41
I gave both of them ones.
00:43:46
Can we, I rated mine separately with comments on each one.
00:43:51
Should we rate the 1958 one first?
00:43:55
And then, is that okay?
00:43:58
Will that throw you off completely?
00:44:00
but we can ab- no, not at all.
00:44:02
We can go just OG.
00:44:04
OG, I gave a one.
00:44:06
It was, you know, it's from the 50s.
00:44:10
Need I say more?
00:44:12
Yeah, I also gave it a one.
00:44:15
I think mostly because of the age of the effects.
00:44:17
Had the effects been a little bit more convincing, it might have been scarier.
00:44:20
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
00:44:23
How sexy did you think the original was?
00:44:26
It was not sexy either.
00:44:28
Yeah.
00:44:29
Yeah.
00:44:29
What did you give it?
00:44:31
Yeah, of course.
00:44:32
it - it - mmm.
00:44:34
No.
00:44:35
No thanks.
00:44:38
how fucked up did you think it was?
00:44:40
Yeah.
00:44:41
1's across the board.
00:44:44
What about you?
00:44:45
I also gave it a one.
00:44:47
It was not fucked up.
00:44:49
And come to think of it, wasn't even a horror movie because it wasn't scary.
00:44:52
It wasn't sexy.
00:44:53
It wasn't fucked up.
00:44:54
So what is it?
00:44:55
It's...
00:44:56
a movie about a fly man.
00:44:58
It's a product of its time is what it is.
00:45:01
It is, it is.
00:45:03
Overall, what did you give the original?
00:45:06
I gave it a four.
00:45:08
Wow!
00:45:10
Yeah, I loved that movie.
00:45:12
So good.
00:45:14
Yeah.
00:45:15
It's one of very few old movies that I've really enjoyed.
00:45:18
Not just like old horror movies, any old movie period.
00:45:23
I loved the way that a majority of the film was a flashback essentially.
00:45:29
So you got to kind of fill in the pieces as the flashback played on.
00:45:33
That was really fun for me.
00:45:35
I think the effects really do kind of dampen the overall vibe of the film.
00:45:39
Mm -hmm.
00:45:39
it a bit harder in like today's day and age to take it seriously or really enjoy
00:45:43
it.
00:45:43
But overall, great film, great story, good storytelling, and it was just kind of
00:45:48
really fun to watch.
00:45:50
All right.
00:45:52
She liked it.
00:45:53
She really liked it.
00:45:55
Yeah.
00:45:56
What'd you give it?
00:45:57
A three.
00:45:58
Okay.
00:45:59
Yeah, it's, I can appreciate it for like what it is for sure, but again, it's an
00:46:05
older movie.
00:46:05
It's not really my vibe.
00:46:07
I feel like most of the movie is them just looking for a fly, which in that case
00:46:11
is...
00:46:13
I don't know.
00:46:14
It's fine, but like, do I want to watch this on a weekend?
00:46:18
Probably not.
00:46:20
But the Help Me scene?
00:46:23
10 out of 10.
00:46:24
Big fan.
00:46:25
Chef's Kiss.
00:46:27
Yeah.
00:46:30
Alright, 1986.
00:46:32
Skip forward a couple of decades.
00:46:33
How scary did you think the Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis 1986 version of The Fly
00:46:38
was?
00:46:40
Yeah.
00:46:41
said this already, but it didn't really scare me.
00:46:44
I don't know.
00:46:45
I can't really explain why.
00:46:47
Just what it just...
00:46:48
It's about a fly guy.
00:46:50
What are you gonna do?
00:46:52
What about you?
00:46:53
is about a fly guy.
00:46:54
I gave it a 1 .5.
00:46:56
Can you guess why?
00:46:59
There's one scene.
00:47:01
No, that's not scary.
00:47:02
okay, that's fucked up.
00:47:03
I think I've said it before.
00:47:04
I really don't like when things crawl on walls when they're not supposed to.
00:47:09
I...
00:47:10
Yeah.
00:47:11
Yeah, that scene with Jeff on the wall and his neck was at a weird angle, that was
00:47:18
just really uncomfortable.
00:47:19
It kind of gave me the heebie -jeebie.
00:47:21
That's fair, yeah.
00:47:23
sexy did you think it was?
00:47:25
3 .5.
00:47:26
Yeah.
00:47:26
I'm so into this movie.
00:47:28
It was so hot.
00:47:29
It was so hot.
00:47:30
Jeff Goldblum is hot.
00:47:31
Geena Davis is hot.
00:47:32
They had great chemistry after that weird like jump between them meeting and then
00:47:36
suddenly having a relationship.
00:47:37
I like alieny things.
00:47:41
It was pretty sexy.
00:47:42
Okay, yeah.
00:47:44
And there's cum.
00:47:44
And there's cum.
00:47:45
What do you give it?
00:47:46
I gave it a two.
00:47:48
okay.
00:47:48
pretty much entirely for Geena Davis.
00:47:51
She's great.
00:47:52
Yeah, Jeff Goldblum does not do it for me.
00:47:55
Sorry.
00:47:55
I think we mentioned last episode, not really a big fan of him.
00:47:58
Never got it, never will.
00:48:03
I just, once you defend Woody Allen, you're just not hot to me.
00:48:07
yeah, I don't like that.
00:48:08
He's a little creepy.
00:48:09
I used to be a huge fan of his, specifically because of his role in
00:48:13
Jurassic Park.
00:48:14
He's just so fun in Jurassic Park and hot.
00:48:17
But he's done some really weird interviews about his wife.
00:48:23
is he a wife guy?
00:48:25
I've never trusted a wife guy in my entire life.
00:48:29
When your whole personality is about loving your wife, you're fucking supposed
00:48:34
to, weirdo.
00:48:36
And also, they always fucking end up cheating on them.
00:48:39
The Try guy, remember that guy?
00:48:42
Whole thing loves his wife.
00:48:44
He was the loves his wife guy.
00:48:48
The wife guys never really wife guys.
00:48:51
not entomology, etymology.
00:48:52
trice.
00:48:53
Trust.
00:48:54
Wife, guys.
00:48:55
Trust, sorry.
00:48:57
with, you know, words.
00:48:59
I said, I said entomology.
00:49:00
I meant etymology.
00:49:02
one day we will say what we mean to say.
00:49:05
Not today, but one day.
00:49:08
Alright, how fucked up did you think the 1986 version was?
00:49:11
I gave it a 2 .5.
00:49:15
Yeah, I did not like the nail scene.
00:49:20
I don't like that at all.
00:49:23
The oozing of him, it was basically half a point for the nail scene, half a point for
00:49:29
him just oozing at the end, and then half a point for the maggot baby, because
00:49:34
that's wild.
00:49:36
Yeah.
00:49:37
And that's where I got where I am.
00:49:41
Yeah, what about you?
00:49:42
I gave it a two for the limbs melting in cum.
00:49:47
But in hindsight, you just mentioned a lot more scenes.
00:49:50
So I think I should bump it up to a little bit higher than that.
00:49:53
At the very least, I should be giving it a three because the fingernails, terrible.
00:49:57
Hated that.
00:49:58
And I did not like the arm wrestling scene at all.
00:50:01
I did remember that that played into my two also.
00:50:03
But I really think it's a three.
00:50:06
The baby and the...
00:50:09
Yeah.
00:50:10
Giving birth to a maggot is like, that's pretty wild.
00:50:13
Yeah, and thank God that was a dream.
00:50:15
That was the movie Jumping the Shark for me.
00:50:18
Until it was a dream.
00:50:20
I was like, my God, yeah.
00:50:22
Why did they have to do that?
00:50:23
Yeah.
00:50:25
on that note, overall what did you give the 86 version?
00:50:29
I get a 4 .5.
00:50:32
I love this movie.
00:50:34
Fuck!
00:50:35
so good.
00:50:37
I'm so pissed I watched it without anybody.
00:50:39
I wish I had watched it with somebody else so that we could like trauma bond it over
00:50:42
or some shit.
00:50:43
But they did a really great job.
00:50:45
I said this already.
00:50:46
They did a really great job adapting it to a new decade.
00:50:48
I think it still holds up to this day.
00:50:51
The story was like just different enough to give it a fun facelift, but.
00:50:55
similar enough to honor the source material of the short story in the
00:50:59
original movie.
00:51:01
One thing that I think made it stand out from some of the 70s, 80s films we've
00:51:07
watched with animatronics and really heavy prosthetics was that I was better able to
00:51:16
connect with the monster and really personify it because it was literally
00:51:20
Jeff's character deteriorating over time.
00:51:23
So I sort of forgave the poor quality or I didn't like notice the poor quality as
00:51:28
much, you know, as like, it wasn't quite as shocking as like the thing where you
00:51:32
just kind of see the thing.
00:51:34
Like, God, that looks terrible.
00:51:36
You know, it was, it was a more progressive change.
00:51:38
So it was a little more forgiving there.
00:51:42
I docked the movie half a point just for some pacing issues.
00:51:46
Like I mentioned the, the like jump between them not having a relationship and
00:51:50
suddenly being in a relationship was a little bit jarring.
00:51:52
And I liked the formula of the original better where it like Gave you the end and
00:51:59
then you had to fill in gaps.
00:52:00
That was more fun for me But yeah, I could talk about this movie for hours, I think
00:52:06
it was very fun an excellent film and one of my favorites we've watched.
00:52:10
Well, you'll be happy to know that that is the correct answer.
00:52:14
This movie is a 4 .5.
00:52:18
I would even, I honestly would even understand a five rating.
00:52:21
Like I do think that this is one of the best horror movies ever made.
00:52:25
I think it's so good.
00:52:26
I gave it a 4 .5 personally.
00:52:30
I just think, God, it holds up so well.
00:52:33
Like even the effects where sometimes like you watch an older movie and it just
00:52:37
doesn't have the same impact because you know,
00:52:40
special effects have just changed so much now.
00:52:42
I still remember watching this for the first time and being like, wow, I do love
00:52:46
fucked up movies.
00:52:47
This is crazy.
00:52:51
And yeah, watching this with friends for the first time was just like, what an
00:52:55
experience.
00:52:55
We were all just like, what the fuck is going on?
00:52:58
What a crazy movie.
00:53:00
It's so good.
00:53:01
The story's fantastic.
00:53:03
I do think this is one of the rare exceptions where the remake is better than
00:53:06
the original.
00:53:10
Yeah, this movie fucking rips.
00:53:13
It's great.
00:53:16
Yeah.
00:53:16
And they both are.
00:53:18
They both are good.
00:53:19
To be clear, they're both great movies.
00:53:22
like I totally see like the value in the first, like the original movie.
00:53:27
Like it's genuinely just a me thing that I'm like, it's not, you know, my type of
00:53:33
movie, but it is a very good story.
00:53:35
It's very well made.
00:53:38
Both great films.
00:53:39
Yeah.
00:53:40
Incredible.
00:53:42
The Fly indeed.
00:53:45
Ugh.
00:53:46
would you survive?
00:53:48
yeah.
00:53:48
Yeah, I would.
00:53:49
Yeah.
00:53:50
Well, okay.
00:53:51
Here we go.
00:53:53
so just to play a little devil's advocate.
00:53:58
I think, yeah, to myself.
00:54:00
I think, I think I, so my original argument was like, I value my life enough
00:54:05
to not put myself in the chamber unless I'm absolutely sure.
00:54:11
You know what I mean?
00:54:12
Absolutely sure.
00:54:14
And you know, on second thought, maybe I don't value my life that much.
00:54:18
Maybe I would just, you know.
00:54:21
in.
00:54:21
Yeah, let's just get a little try.
00:54:23
What's the worst that can happen?
00:54:25
I die.
00:54:26
the Brundle fly.
00:54:26
Okay.
00:54:28
I mean, yeah, I guess that would be very terrible.
00:54:31
But I mean, if death is the option that you're expecting.
00:54:35
Right, Brundle fly's like fine.
00:54:38
Well, no.
00:54:39
The death is fine.
00:54:40
Okay, okay.
00:54:41
Great.
00:54:43
I think I'd survive.
00:54:44
All that to say, I do think I would survive.
00:54:47
But I don't think that my argument that I value my life enough to not go into the
00:54:52
teleporter is valid.
00:54:54
Got it.
00:54:55
Okay, great, yeah.
00:54:59
Would you survive?
00:55:00
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to be the first person to like, I'm not a curious enough
00:55:06
mind to like, experiment on myself.
00:55:09
Did you just snort cocaine?
00:55:10
Like what?
00:55:12
Just like lean forward on your desk.
00:55:17
No, sorry.
00:55:20
No, I did not.
00:55:22
My dad responded to me.
00:55:24
I'll tell you about it when you're done.
00:55:27
we'll get to that.
00:55:28
Yeah, I'm not going to turn into a fly person because I'm not going to...
00:55:32
Like, I don't care enough about scientific advancements to put myself at risk.
00:55:37
I'm not going to test things on myself.
00:55:39
I'll use things that have been tested.
00:55:42
I'm not going to be the testee.
00:55:44
You know what I mean?
00:55:46
So I think I'm okay.
00:55:48
I think I'm Gucci.
00:55:49
Speaking of testee, I totally forgot to mention that some of the prosthetics were
00:55:53
made with condoms.
00:55:56
Yeah.
00:55:56
his eyes, right?
00:55:58
The melting eyes.
00:56:01
Yeah.
00:56:02
Yeah.
00:56:03
What did your dad say?
00:56:05
So he hasn't responded to how he got the so it's not yeah, but he said not flies-
00:56:12
June bugs and cicadas
00:56:15
and he would let them fly around and he would walk them like dogs.
00:56:18
Sex.
00:56:19
Yeah, well, no, but.
00:56:22
Great.
00:56:28
okay.
00:56:28
he responded!
00:56:32
Slipknot.
00:56:32
He would use a slipknot that he would tighten down with tension.
00:56:35
Occasionally fall off.
00:56:37
That's what he said word for word.
00:56:38
Occasionally fall off.
00:56:39
Okay.
00:56:40
Good to know!
00:56:41
Great.
00:56:42
Thanks, everyone.
00:56:42
still welcome to ask your dad, but that was easier.
00:56:47
Yeah.
00:56:54
fuck.
00:56:57
god.
00:56:59
okay.
00:57:01
Well, I'm really glad that you liked it.
00:57:03
Thanks, me too.
00:57:04
I'm so glad that we thought there was a remake.
00:57:06
I kind of wish there was.
00:57:09
They've popped off with this one so far.
00:57:12
Yeah.
00:57:14
I mean, there's plenty of sequels.
00:57:16
There's the opera we have to figure out how to get a hold of.
00:57:20
There's lots of material.
00:57:22
Yeah.
00:57:24
All right.
00:57:24
Are you ready to predict next week's film?
00:57:27
Yeah!
00:57:28
Alright, next week we're going to be talking about No One Will Save You.
00:57:32
Okay, it's a war movie.
00:57:34
Can I say real quick too?
00:57:36
We were, because kd's going on vacation.
00:57:39
If you're listening to this, I think she's back already, but anyways.
00:57:44
But we're recording these in advance so that she's going on vacation.
00:57:47
And then right after that, I'm going on vacation.
00:57:49
So we're kind of prepping so that our episodes can come out.
00:57:53
And when we were writing these down in our calendar to prepare of like what we were
00:57:57
filming, what days, I said, all right, Saturday we're going to record, No One
00:58:02
Will Save You.
00:58:03
And kd goes,
00:58:04
Okay.
00:58:06
Yeah
00:58:09
Hahaha!
00:58:10
was my favorite reaction to a title of a horror movie that you've done yet.
00:58:16
So tell me about the war movie No One Will Save You.
00:58:20
yeah, it's a war movie.
00:58:22
Made in the 20...
00:58:27
aughts, the 2000s.
00:58:30
okay.
00:58:30
about though World War Two and shortly after World War Two.
00:58:38
In fact, everybody's kind of reeling from the war as they do after that.
00:58:44
Yeah, kind of.
00:58:45
Yeah.
00:58:47
And there's a like co -living space.
00:58:53
Everybody lives in this kind of like one.
00:58:55
It's like an apartment complex.
00:58:57
Yeah.
00:58:57
But it's more like a house, you know, like shared living spaces a bunch of ex
00:59:02
-soldiers and They're responsible for cleaning up the dead bodies
00:59:09
Sheesh.
00:59:10
Yeah, on like the Normandy or whatever, I don't know.
00:59:15
And...
00:59:16
You know, they do that and they do it at night because it's not in the hot sun.
00:59:22
It doesn't smell as bad.
00:59:25
And so one by one, they start getting picked off and fewer of them start making
00:59:33
it home with dead bodies.
00:59:35
my god.
00:59:38
Yeah.
00:59:38
What's picking them off?
00:59:40
Ghosts.
00:59:41
Okay.
00:59:42
of all the bodies.
00:59:44
Yeah, it's a supernatural war film.
00:59:48
Supernatural horror period piece.
00:59:51
World War II.
00:59:51
The 40s.
00:59:53
The late 40s.
00:59:55
Got it.
00:59:55
I made for.
00:59:57
Do they?
00:59:58
what happens at the end.
01:00:00
Well, no one will save you.
01:00:02
right.
01:00:03
They all die.
01:00:05
Because no one can save them.
01:00:08
It's all coming together.
01:00:10
I'm connecting the dots.
01:00:13
I genuinely...
01:00:16
Ever since I watched the movie No One Lives and people lived, I just have trust
01:00:20
issues with the title, so...
01:00:23
I know, you wouldn't believe it.
01:00:25
That's what I said.
01:00:28
I was pissed.
01:00:29
Yeah.
01:00:31
Yikes.
01:00:31
Yeah, incorrect.
01:00:35
No, that's not even a little bit what it's about.
01:00:40
Yeah, sorry.
01:00:41
No, not one thing.
01:00:45
Nope.
01:00:46
Yeah.
01:00:48
The lead is a girl.
01:00:50
So, yeah.
01:00:52
Is it a comedy?
01:00:53
Uhhhh
01:00:54
Yeah, you know what, I'm just going to send you the poster and that's the only
01:00:59
information that you're going to get.
01:01:02
Yep, ready?
01:01:03
Yep.
01:01:04
I'm looking.
01:01:06
Aliens!
01:01:08
Aliens!
01:01:12
hell yeah.
01:01:13
I fucking love an abduction.
01:01:15
We're getting poked and prodded.
01:01:16
This is gonna be the sexiest movie we've ever seen.
01:01:21
It kind of reminds me of it kind of reminds me of nope.
01:01:24
Right?
01:01:25
The barn.
01:01:27
The barn and the aliens?
01:01:29
I guess, yeah, poster -wise I can see why you think that, but they're very different
01:01:33
movies.
01:01:34
Okay, okay.
01:01:35
Is it a Hulu original?
01:01:39
It is a Hulu original.
01:01:41
Yeah.
01:01:42
So it can't be good.
01:01:43
Well, you liked Prey.
01:01:44
That was cinema.
01:01:46
That was cinema.
01:01:47
That was really good.
01:01:49
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
01:01:51
I'm just saying, there's hits, there's misses.
01:01:53
We'll have to find out which one this is.
01:01:55
Is there butt stuff?
01:01:57
Ha!
01:01:57
You'll find out.
01:02:01
Don't get my hopes up.
01:02:02
I'm sorry.
01:02:03
Alien abduction movie without butt stuff?
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There's no butt stuff.
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Yeah.
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Well, good stuff.
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Yeah, thanks.
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We knocked two right out of the park.
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I like it.
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Next week, talking about aliens, setting them up, hitting them out.
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Hell yeah.
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Home run.
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Touchdown.
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Three pointer.
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PAR!
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God.
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New podcast sports only.
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Yeah, I tell you what sports are like.
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I make you watch the sports that you've never seen.
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I've seen all of the sports.
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yeah.
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I think.
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Probably not cricket.
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But I get it.
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watch that Blade Sports TikTok.
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Did you watch that or did you not watch it?
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The Blade Sports TikTok.
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Yeah, the lady running around with the cleaver and just like slashing at water
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bottles and stuff.
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And the straws that just boinged back up.
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Didn't it look like a scene from The Office?
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Yeah.
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At one point, I think they need to just sharpen the knife and try again.
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I think that's the I think that the sport is them sharpening the knife and then
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seeing how it performs.
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I think.
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I think so.
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Well, sucks to be her.
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Anyway, maybe we'll link that in the linky that in the descripy too.
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We'll just discripy everything.
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Everything you've ever dreamed of in the discripy.
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Linky in the discrinky.
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I like it.
01:03:43
Alright, thanks so much for listening.
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Feel free to like, subscribe if you want to keep having us do this.
01:03:50
We're probably still going to keep doing it, but we're going to do it anyway.
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You might as well just like and subscribe.
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god, just do a little favor.
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Just do it, just do it.
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Alright, see you next Tuesday.
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Bye!