Based on the novel by Thomas Harris, The Silence of the Lambs follows an FBI agent recruit as she’s tasked with interrogating an incarcerated psychiatrist and known cannibal in an attempt to catch Buffalo Bill, a serial killer on the loose. In this week’s horror news, James Franco and Allison Brie team up to make a horror, and the beloved horror video game Backrooms is coming to a theater near you by A24.
👉 James Franco & Alison Brie horror: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/alison-brie-dave-franco-horror-film-together-1235893173/https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/coen-brothers-horror-film-2024-b2486964.html
👉 A24 Backrooms movie: https://deadline.com/2023/02/the-backrooms-a24-developing-feature-based-on-viral-horror-shorts-1235249413/
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Hello?
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Are you answering a phone call or starting the podcast?
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Poor no los dos?
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Oh yeah, I like that.
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Yeah, welcome back to Killer Cuties.
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Welcome back.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday!
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Thank you.
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Hope everyone is having a great Tuesday.
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I hope it's one of the best Tuesdays of the year.
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Not the best, it's too early for that.
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I hope your best Tuesday is yet to come, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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Wow, thanks.
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You're welcome.
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Anytime.
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We're here to talk about...
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Silence of the Lambs!
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We are.
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But you have some horror news.
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I sure do.
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Two quick things.
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So one, Dave Franco and Alison Brie are gonna be starring in a horror movie
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together, which is cute because they're married.
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The movie's called Together, which is also kind of cute.
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But anyways, it's supposed to be a horror movie that is exploring the codependency
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or the horror of codependency told in a unique way.
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I don't really know what that means, but
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That's all we know right now.
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Everything else is kind of under wraps.
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It was just announced.
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Well, it's only, they've only said it's a horror movie.
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So I don't know.
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Yeah, I don't know, we'll see.
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I guess as more unwraps about that, we'll know more, but that's all we know for
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right now.
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And then my other piece of horror news, A movie about The Backrooms.
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Yes, so it started as a creepypasta, The Backrooms, developed into fan-made video
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games, wikis, YouTube shorts, all that kind of stuff.
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It's currently in the works at A24.
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Yeah.
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it's gonna slap.
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Yeah, so they're basing it on the YouTube shorts that were made by Kane Parsons.
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I think he was only 17 when he made them too, and he's kind of credited for
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popularizing the concept of The Backrooms.
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But we've played the video, one of the video games about it had a blast, so I'm
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definitely excited.
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I think that'll be fun.
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So exciting.
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I know, so many video game movies!
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Good!
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They just better do as well as The Last of Us did.
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You know, fair.
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Yeah.
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No half-assed video game movies.
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Not in this house.
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No.
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Or any house.
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No houses.
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The only news that I was excited about, I just found out is a rumor, because you
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told me it's a rumor.
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Well, it's just not confirmed.
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Well, if it ever is confirmed, you'll have heard it here first.
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Speaking of video game movies, Nicolas Cage is rumored to have been cast in Five
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Nights at Freddy's 2.
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It is on the line.
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Someone said that, so...
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People are notorious for lying on the line, but that's, you know...
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We don't know.
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I...
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have lied...
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online...
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before.
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I bet you have.
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Sometimes it's fun.
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Anyway.
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Matthew Lillard is confirmed though.
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Yes.
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No.
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That was also not- that was doctored.
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God damn it.
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That's why I said all the news you sent me was not confirmed.
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Sorry.
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Yeah, he hasn't tweeted since like...pre-pandemic.
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Oh my God, he's on the TikTok now.
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He's got better things to do.
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yeah, he's moved on.
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So yeah, but I think he was already kind of confirmed because they already said
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that he signed what a three picture deal when he signed the contract.
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So I think we already, that is pretty much confirmed.
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I think the main rumor on that one was him saying something about.
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the bite of 87 which is FNAF lore and stuff like that so people were excited
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about that but that turned out to be a doctored tweet.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I know you can't trust everything.
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Well.
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Should we talk about Silence of the Lance?
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Okay.
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Quick summary if you- it's been a while since you've seen it or if you don't care
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to watch it You should.
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Jodie Foster stars as Clarice Starling a top student at FBI's training Academy Jack
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Crawford, played by Scott Glenn, wants Clarice to interview Dr.
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Hannibal Lecter, played by Sir Anthony Hopkins.
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He's a brilliant psychiatrist who is also a violent psychopath serving life behind
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bars for various acts of murder and cannibalism
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Crawford believes that Lecter may have insight into a case and that Starling, as
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an attractive young woman, may be just the bait to draw him out.
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It was released on Valentine's Day in 1991.
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Strange day for a horror movie.
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It has an 8.6 on IMDb, a 95% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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It was directed by Jonathan Demme.
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Did I say that right?
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Demme.
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Could be Demme.
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Who's to say?
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and it's based on a book by Thomas Harris.
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Sure is.
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I have the book.
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You won't believe this.
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I haven't read it.
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Ha ha ha.
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I do believe that.
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I really do.
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I firmly believe that buying books and reading books are two separate hobbies.
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And I lean more towards the buying of the books than the reading.
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I do read, but...
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Oh my gosh, you got the Annihilation series!
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I like it.
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agree.
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I lean towards the buying books hobby.
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I have a lot of books and I plan to read them all.
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But I haven't read this one yet.
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But I will one day.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Thank you for believing in me.
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Yeah, this is, I mean, it's an iconic film.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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That's it, that's all you need to know.
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I think, yeah, it's probably unlikely that people listening haven't seen it.
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I know you hadn't, but you're kind of a rare exception to the rule.
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Yeah, that's why we are doing this.
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But I think even people who aren't horror fans have seen this, I mean, it's kind of
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a staple.
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Yeah, um, yeah, this is the...
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I said this in the last episode.
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This is the only movie that my mother has ever told me, do not watch this movie.
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And I understand why now.
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Yeah, your mom's not a super horror fan.
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And there's some disturbing content within this one.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I watching it, I just, okay, checking that box, things my mom doesn't
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like.
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Checking that box, things my mom doesn't like.
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Just like all the boxes were checked.
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So I get it.
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I understand why she told me not to.
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Yeah.
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But aren't you glad you didn't listen?
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Yes.
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So glad.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, to kind of talk about its impact as of, well, I guess last year, because this
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year we don't know who's winning the Oscars yet, but as of 2023, it's one of
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only three movies to win the top five Oscar categories of Best Actor, Best
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Actress, Best Director, Best Picture, and Best Screenplay.
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The only other two movies that have done that are It Happened One Night and One
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Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
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Oh, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is kind of horror too, isn't it?
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Oh, it's just sad.
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It's just drama.
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Yeah.
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No.
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that one of those three is a horror movie.
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Yes, and speaking of which, it's the only horror film to have won Best Picture.
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Only five others were nominated, which I think we talked about in our episode of
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Get Out, but again, that was The Exorcist, Jaws, Sixth Sense, Black Swan, and Get
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Out.
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Which I guess they don't consider Parasite in that, which makes sense because I feel
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like horror, that movie just defies genre to be honest.
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Yeah.
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I think it has horror elements, but I wouldn't classify it as purely horror, so
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that's fair.
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Um, but yeah, definitely iconic.
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absolutely.
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And Sir Anthony Hopkins won his Academy Award for Best Actor in Leading Role.
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And it's for only like 25 minutes of screen time.
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It's the second shortest screen time of anybody who has ever won that Academy
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Award.
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Who was the first, do you know?
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I do, it's David Niven in a movie called Separate Tables from 1958.
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Oh, I always think that's interesting because he's, it's such an iconic
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character in such an iconic role that when you really think about how little he's in
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it, it's kind of like Tim Curry in It, how he really doesn't have much screen time at
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all, but that's all you think about when you think about that movie.
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That's interesting.
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Great actor, great performance, I guess, when you can pull that off.
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Yeah.
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And this was Sir Anthony Hopkins' like last ditch effort to kind of break out.
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He'd done a lot of acting roles, but he'd never been A-list.
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He'd never really kind of been a go-to actor.
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And he had said that if this wasn't successful, he was done.
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He was out.
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Obviously, it was very successful and he's still acting.
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But.
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Yes.
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And he's won a couple of awards kind of recently, too.
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He was in some 2020 film where he won an award.
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But, you know, he's still at it and still doing a very good job.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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He prepared really well for the role too.
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Apparently he studied a bunch of files of serial killers.
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He went to prisons.
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He studied convicted murderers.
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Even went to some court hearings to hear crimes described by people.
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So he really put his full pussy into it, respectfully.
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respectfully.
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Yeah, I think a lot of the cast, like I know some of them worked with actual FBI
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agents.
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The FBI Behavioral Science Unit helped them make the movie and kind of told them
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what would be accurate and what wouldn't be.
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Which I guess the FBI helped because they saw it as a potential recruiting tool to
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hire more female agents, which is
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wild to me that anyone would watch this movie and be like, you know what I want to
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do.
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That's what I did.
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I literally went to the FBI's website and looked at their careers after I was like,
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Oh my god, I just I want to pull pupa out of people's throats.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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Why wouldn't you?
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Ah.
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Yeah, yeah, but I know they pulled from a lot of true crime as well.
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Buffalo Bill, why can't I remember his actual name in the movie?
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Oh, Jame.
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Was it Jame?
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Okay, yeah.
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He, the way that he got Catherine into his car was very reminiscent of Ted Bundy.
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He would pretend to be injured so that women would help him kind of preying on
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that instinct to help injured people.
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So he would pretend he'd broken his arm and stuff like that.
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I'm glad we bred that instinct out of women nowadays.
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Yeah, if there's one thing about me, I'm not helping a man.
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Um, anyway.
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Anyways.
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And then Buffalo Bill also is kind of loosely based on Ed Gein, who I think-
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technically has only been confirmed to have killed two people, but there was a
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lot more.
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But he would rob graves and stuff and make stuff out of skin and wear skin and yeah,
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so he inspired this, he inspired Psycho, he inspired Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Cute.
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Yeah...
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is it?
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No, it's not.
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Yeah...
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Um, the actor who played Buffalo Bill, Ted Levine, plays the exact opposite character
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in Monk, the TV show.
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Oh, I've never seen Monk.
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Oh my God, it's an incredible show.
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It's very good.
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It's not horror, it's very true crime, but he plays the very like straight, manly, to
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the point sheriff at the detective agency where Monk works in San Francisco.
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So the polar opposite of Buffalo Bill.
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Yeah.
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Um, and that was very jarring for me because you don't, you don't really see
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his face at first.
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Um, he's kind of like shrouded.
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You just hear his voice and I'm like, Oh my God, that's, that's the chief.
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Like what is he doing in this movie?
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And I was, I knew by his voice.
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Um, yeah, that, that was jarring only having seen him in Monk.
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Well, speaking of that and more true crime, the serial killer Richard Ramirez,
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known as the Night Stalker, by the way, my friend's dad was the one who caught him.
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Anyways, that's a whole nother side story.
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Shout out Gilbert Carrillo.
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But he was a fan of this movie, particularly Ted Levine, Richard Ramirez,
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the serial killer, yeah.
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Oh God.
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"the guy on the show, Monk, I really liked him.
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That scene where he says it rubs the lotion on it's skin.
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I really like it."
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Yeah, so.
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Yikes.
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He did real good.
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Yeah.
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But luckily him and Brooke Smith, who played Catherine, actually became like
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really good friends on set.
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So that's good.
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He's probably a nice person in real life.
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Good.
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She's in another show you have not seen.
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Oh, I know this because I saw it somewhere written.
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Grey's Anatomy.
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Yes, nailed it.
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of the least likable characters on Grey's Anatomy.
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I hate her character.
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What did she do?
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She's just bitchy in a not fun cute way.
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She's just like, and she pushes out doctors that I like.
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Got it.
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and corrupts my favorite lesbian.
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I'm sorry that happened to you.
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Thanks.
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I took it very personally.
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Yeah.
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It was nice that Ted Levine and Brooke Smith could be friends though because
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Jodie Foster apparently avoided Anthony Hopkins because she was terrified of him.
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Which I get
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He played his role very well.
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And yeah, him and Martha Stewart dated briefly, right?
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During, I have a point, I promise.
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But during...
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on my bingo card to talk about Martha Stewart during this f*cking episode, but
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okay.
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It should always be on your bingo card.
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Martha Stewart can pop up at any given moment.
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No, but they dated during production of this and then once it was released, she
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broke up with him because she didn't, like she couldn't separate his performance from
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him.
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So yeah, that's like kind of sad.
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Yeah.
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Like, sorry I'm so good at acting.
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You can't see past it.
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Yeah.
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Oh god, and then she went to jail!
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And then she went to jail.
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And now she's best friends with Snoop Dogg.
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Her path in life is crazy.
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I'm obsessed.
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Good for her.
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Who doesn't?
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Yeah, tax evasion isn't even a crime.
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It's my right.
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I...
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agree, but the IRS does not.
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Oh shoot.
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Um...
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Oh god.
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I just can't stop thinking of Martha Stewart.
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You'll like this, okay, because you like the moth thing, which also, by the way, we
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realized I'm literally wearing a shirt with a moth on it.
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I didn't plan that, but we can pretend I did.
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are you gonna tell me about the moths and their airplane?
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Oh, how they were treated like little stars.
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Yeah, in their little first-class carriers.
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Yes, they treated the moths incredibly well during production, which is a big
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green flag.
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But no, that wasn't what I was going to tell you.
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I was going to tell you that the cocoon that they find in the throat, it was made
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of Tootsie Rolls and gummy bears so that if it got swallowed it was okay.
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look at how many Tootsie Rolls I literally ate today.
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Look, look, you see all of them?
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That's all the Tootsie Roll wrappers.
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That's not even all of them.
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I just grabbed a handful of the ones I ate.
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I fucking love a good Tootsie Roll.
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Maybe it was because I saw that and I just inherently knew that's fucking Tootsie
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Roll.
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I love that for you.
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I don't think I've ever bought Tootsie Rolls.
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I think I've only eaten Tootsie Rolls if they're around, you know, or like in my
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Halloween candy bag.
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Oh.
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pound, 200 midgee bag.
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in my d- in my desk
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Wow.
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I love that.
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Yeah.
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Oh, because of the chocolate.
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Yeah.
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Can't be, can't be, couldn't be me.
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I know.
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Cool.
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Also, can I just say the moths are actually tobacco hornworm moths and
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Growing up my also called tomato worm.
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I think they're the same.
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They're one in the same tomato worm.
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Either way, growing up my grandpa grew a bunch of tomatoes and they were always
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tobacco hornworm moths on his tomatoes I would go and pick them off the tomato
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plants put them in a bucket a two gallon bucket with some sticks and some leaves
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And some rocks and make it really cute and I would keep them as pets
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That's great!
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Yeah, they would always die before they became moths, so.
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I know, couldn't figure out how to keep them alive.
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maybe leaving them alone.
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Probably, I was a kid.
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Yeah.
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Man, can you imagine if one of my tomato hornworm moths or a descendant of one of
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my tomato hornworm moths is one of the ones in the movie?
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That would be pretty...
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special.
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I like to think it is.
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I'd like to think that I found a tomato hornworm moth in my grandpa's backyard and
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I pet him and I snuggled with him and then he just became a big star.
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Well...
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No.
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This movie came out in 1991.
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So it would have had to already be a star.
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And then you've...
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I don't think they just released them into your grandpa's yard.
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I can take a guess.
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But no, they were also, in addition to being treated like royalty on the plane
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and having their first class little carriers, they also had special living
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quarters on set, had rooms controlled by a humidifier, and they were dressed in
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carefully designed costumes.
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They had their little costumes and they painted them and they were treated so
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nicely.
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Oh, to be the etymologist on this movie.
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That's like your dream job, I think.
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Can you imagine?
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Me?
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No, you?
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Yes.
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That's...
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I meant me.
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Yeah.
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It'd be so fun.
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I think that you would be so good at it.
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You're welcome.
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If I only had to talk to bugs all day, I'd be thriving.
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What about me?
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Tuesday nights are reserved for you.
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Bugs the rest of the week.
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Ha ha ha.
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Fair enough.
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Can't argue with that.
00:23:56
Yeah, thank you.
00:24:00
The other fun animal fact from the movie is that Anthony Hopkins kind of based
00:24:07
Hannibal off of a reptile.
00:24:10
The blinking.
00:24:12
The blinking, yeah, because reptiles don't they don't have unconscious blinking.
00:24:17
They just, they have to like think about it.
00:24:21
So Anthony Hopkins is like, I want every blink that I take during this movie, every
00:24:26
blink that I do, to be calculated and purposeful.
00:24:31
And so anytime he's blinking, he had to think about it.
00:24:35
Yeah, he actually had kind of a lot of say, well, I guess a lot of influence on
00:24:41
the character decisions for Hannibal Lecter.
00:24:46
He was the one that thought it would be a good idea to have him staring directly
00:24:50
into the camera as Clarice first approaches his cell.
00:24:55
And also originally he was gonna be in either a yellow or orange jumpsuit after
00:25:02
he got moved from Baltimore.
00:25:05
But Sir Anthony Hopkins convinced Jonathan Demme to do all white, which he later said
00:25:14
he got that idea from his fear of dentists.
00:25:21
Yeah, I get it.
00:25:25
Yeah, I don't blame him.
00:25:27
No, not, you should go to the dentist, but.
00:25:30
Yeah, go- yes.
00:25:32
There's no reason to be scared.
00:25:34
Yeah.
00:25:35
But it's not, it's an uncomfortable thing, you know?
00:25:39
Yeah.
00:25:41
it.
00:25:41
Speaking of the camera angles though, I guess whenever a character is talking to
00:25:47
Agent Starling, they often talk directly to the camera.
00:25:53
The first scene that's incredibly noticeable is the scene with Hannibal
00:25:56
where she's walking up to him and he's looking directly in the camera.
00:26:01
But whenever she is talking to someone, she's looking slightly off camera.
00:26:06
And that was, I guess, to make her more relatable and tell the story from her
00:26:13
point of view.
00:26:14
Because from her point of view, obviously they'd be looking directly into her eyes.
00:26:18
I thought that was very interesting and purposeful way to shoot a film.
00:26:24
And I mean, I don't know if it worked.
00:26:26
If it worked, it was subconsciously.
00:26:28
I mean, I do very much relate to her.
00:26:30
I fucking love Clarice Starling as a character.
00:26:34
I love Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling.
00:26:38
So if it worked, I mean maybe it worked.
00:26:40
I don't know.
00:26:40
I guess it worked.
00:26:43
Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the point is you experiencing everything through her
00:26:49
eyes and kind of with her.
00:26:51
So I thought it was interesting because John Carpenter.
00:26:59
I love him!
00:27:01
Well, he said he was disappointed that the movie focused on Clarice.
00:27:06
Well he can suck my dick.
00:27:09
See how quickly you changed up there, I knew you would.
00:27:14
Yeah, he said he would have loved to direct it and make it more frightening and
00:27:18
gripping.
00:27:20
Like, no offense to you, sir, but this movie is fine as is.
00:27:26
Yeah, and much scarier than Halloween.
00:27:31
I agree.
00:27:34
Make it scarier.
00:27:36
PLEASE.
00:27:42
Oh, I love how quickly you went from I love him to this.
00:27:46
Silly John.
00:27:46
Hahaha.
00:27:50
That was funny.
00:27:51
Uh.
00:27:52
There will be no Clarice Starling slander in this house, or any house.
00:27:57
Yeah, she's kind of that bitch.
00:28:00
Yeah.
00:28:02
was rated like number six at the American Film Institute, I think, rated her number
00:28:06
six in heroes, male and female, out of all movies on a list of 50.
00:28:15
And Hannibal was, I think, the number one villain.
00:28:19
He was!
00:28:21
Fuck you, John Carpenter.
00:28:23
Just kidding, I love you so much, please.
00:28:26
Please.
00:28:28
The duality of kd.
00:28:30
Um.
00:28:33
Yeah.
00:28:35
One thing about this movie though, that I do want to talk about.
00:28:41
This movie is discussed a lot in terms of its impact on the trans community.
00:28:48
Oh.
00:28:49
There have been many examples of movies that villainize trans people.
00:28:55
And I don't think that was the intention here.
00:28:59
There's lines in the movie where they specifically say that Buffalo Bill is not
00:29:03
trans, that he has an identity issue, he's trying to belong or find himself.
00:29:08
there's even like very, very subtle clues to that in his house where there's like
00:29:14
pieces of Nazi memorabilia and stuff like that, where it's like, clearly he was
00:29:18
trying to fit into a specific group so that he could kind of find himself.
00:29:24
But we've talked about intention versus impact many, many times.
00:29:31
And I think unfortunately it's very easy for people to remember
00:29:37
the scenes of him cross-dressing and tucking and those types of things rather
00:29:41
than those few lines of them saying that he's not trans.
00:29:45
You know what I mean?
00:29:45
So I think unfortunately this did kind of contribute to that theme, which is
00:29:54
unfortunate because I don't think that's what they were trying to do, but it's kind
00:29:59
of how a lot of people took it.
00:30:01
Yeah, I think I think just outside of whether or not it's vilifying, trans being
00:30:10
trans, it's vilifying some sort of gender dysmorphia, which is not something to
00:30:17
vilify.
00:30:20
So.
00:30:22
Yeah.
00:30:23
a whole nother thing of villainizing mental illness and stuff like that.
00:30:26
So it's like, either way, it's kind of not the best thing.
00:30:30
Right, yeah, so arguing that, oh, well, they brought up that he's not trans is not
00:30:36
an appropriate argument because sometimes it's not as black and white.
00:30:40
Sometimes it's not you.
00:30:42
It never is.
00:30:43
You are trans or you aren't trans.
00:30:44
It's a spectrum.
00:30:47
And I think that, yeah, it's.
00:30:50
Good point bringing it up.
00:30:53
Yeah, I think there's, well, I can think of two horror movies that like will this
00:30:59
and then one other that we'll probably watch eventually that kind of have that
00:31:03
issue hanging over the other one is much more blatant.
00:31:10
Yeah, yeah, which is, it's not even on our radar quite yet, but I'm sure one day we
00:31:16
will get to it.
00:31:18
But I feel like these two and then not.
00:31:22
one that we will ever talk about on the podcast because it's comedy but Ace
00:31:25
Ventura: Pet Detective are kind of talked about a lot in that.
00:31:29
Wait.
00:31:30
The villain is.
00:31:34
Yeah.
00:31:35
Wait, in Ace Ventura: Pet Detective?
00:31:37
That movie is beloved by all, I thought.
00:31:41
Well, I think in recent years people have criticized that choice in villain a little
00:31:49
bit more.
00:31:50
Okay, I don't think I've ever seen that movie.
00:31:54
I know of scenes from it.
00:31:56
Oh, okay, sorry.
00:31:58
I didn't plan on watching it, I don't think.
00:32:02
You- beloved by all.
00:32:03
I haven't seen it.
00:32:05
Well, yeah, but just when you hear people talk about it, they're so excited about
00:32:08
it.
00:32:08
They love it.
00:32:08
You know what I'm saying?
00:32:09
Like all who have seen it, it is beloved.
00:32:12
But.
00:32:12
Oh yeah.
00:32:13
But I think there's also a point in saying, A, this was a product of its time,
00:32:19
B, yes, there are some things in it that can and should be criticized, but also, do
00:32:26
you enjoy it?
00:32:27
Yes.
00:32:28
You know?
00:32:29
It's like when I rewatch Scary Movie, some of that stuff just doesn't fly today.
00:32:34
Like, that is not appropriate humor for now.
00:32:39
But do I still love that movie?
00:32:41
Yes I do.
00:32:43
Yeah.
00:32:45
Yeah, I think it's very important to call it out, be cognizant of the fact that it
00:32:53
is not appropriate to vilify mental health, which I mean, I guess in a serial
00:32:57
killer movie, that's.
00:33:02
Yeah.
00:33:04
But it's still OK to enjoy the film.
00:33:08
Yeah, for sure.
00:33:11
And enjoy it I did.
00:33:15
Yeah, I mean it is a classic for a reason, for sure.
00:33:22
I mean, in 2011, the Library of Congress preserved it in the National Film
00:33:28
Registry.
00:33:28
Iconic.
00:33:30
It's iconic.
00:33:31
Yeah.
00:33:32
And I know after, so Jodie Foster read the novel that is based on.
00:33:37
And then she liked it so much.
00:33:40
She tried to buy the rights to it.
00:33:42
But it had already been bought by Gene Hackman.
00:33:47
Yeah, he beat her to it.
00:33:48
He was supposed to direct and then he stepped aside from it.
00:33:53
Yeah, but
00:33:54
shooting himself in the foot for that one.
00:33:56
Or I bet he's...
00:33:58
What's the expression?
00:33:59
I bet he's...
00:34:03
Yeah, he did.
00:34:03
Yeah.
00:34:04
would have been, yeah.
00:34:06
Yeah.
00:34:07
But that's, I mean, there was kind of a lot of that with it for both the lead
00:34:14
roles as well.
00:34:16
The - Hannibal Lecter, there's a huge list of people who were considered, some of
00:34:22
which turned it down.
00:34:24
Which is Sir John Hurt, Christopher Lloyd, Dustin Hoffman, Sir Patrick Stewart, John
00:34:28
Lithgow, Robert Duvall, Jack Nicholson, Robert De Niro, Sir Kenneth Branagh,
00:34:33
Jeremy Irons, Sir Daniel Day Lewis, Morgan Freeman, and Sir Sean Connery were all
00:34:38
considered.
00:34:39
I think only if, I know for sure Jeremy Irons turned it down.
00:34:45
I'm not sure if the others were like scheduling or just didn't work out or
00:34:48
what.
00:34:50
But I mean, that's kind of like a crazy list of people.
00:34:54
And then for Clarice, Jonathan Demme said there were 300 applicants for the role.
00:35:03
Meg Ryan and Michelle Pfeiffer were both offered it but turned it down because of
00:35:08
the subject matter.
00:35:10
Brooke Smith who ended up playing Catherine, she auditioned.
00:35:14
Nicole Kidman read for the part, Laura Dern was considered.
00:35:17
And then...
00:35:22
Jonathan Demme was convinced that Jodie Foster would be the girl after one meeting
00:35:27
with her because of how she walked down the hallway to meet him.
00:35:32
She walked so purposefully and so determined that he was like, that's her.
00:35:38
Yeah.
00:35:41
That reminds me of the very similar list to everybody that was considered for
00:35:47
Misery.
00:35:48
Yeah.
00:35:50
Very similar list.
00:35:56
Yeah.
00:35:57
Well, and the funny thing is they those people were not all A-listers at that
00:36:01
time.
00:36:03
So the fact that they were identifying all these people as prospects for the movie is
00:36:08
just telling that they were really looking for someone that stood out and like could.
00:36:14
Everybody on that list could have done this role, but not as well as Anthony
00:36:18
Hopkins.
00:36:19
Yeah, I mean, I think he was.
00:36:20
favorite book to movie adaptation.
00:36:23
Holes?
00:36:26
Oh.
00:36:26
well, let me, okay, wait.
00:36:29
Jeremy Irons is in the movie adaptation of my favorite book.
00:36:35
And that is...
00:36:36
Eragon.
00:36:39
Oh, I heard that movie adaptation sucked.
00:36:41
That's why I clarified he's in the movie adaptation of my favorite book.
00:36:47
They're working on a TV show now.
00:36:50
So I hope so too.
00:36:52
Yeah.
00:36:52
Yeah, when you said favorite adaptation of a book, my mind went to the perfect
00:37:00
adaptation, which was Holes, but that's fine.
00:37:02
I mean.
00:37:04
Yeah.
00:37:07
Um, real quick, Howard Shore wrote the score.
00:37:11
Great, and he's done...?
00:37:17
Oh, should I know?
00:37:18
I'll just Google him real quick.
00:37:19
Probably the most iconic score, one of the top five most iconic scores of all time.
00:37:25
He did it?
00:37:27
Yes.
00:37:28
JAWS!
00:37:30
NO!
00:37:32
Uh...
00:37:34
Wait, it's you.
00:37:35
Star Wars.
00:37:37
Oh.
00:37:37
Williams!
00:37:39
That's the one composer you should know!
00:37:42
I'm so sorry to that man.
00:37:45
Lord of the Rings.
00:37:47
Nailed it.
00:37:50
God!
00:37:52
There's only one good Canadian composer.
00:37:56
And it's him.
00:37:57
Yes!
00:37:59
That's kinda mean.
00:38:03
Sorry.
00:38:04
Oh, okay.
00:38:06
I just don't, I'm learning and I'm growing.
00:38:12
I don't know composers very well.
00:38:15
I'm just gonna
00:38:16
make sure that I'm not.
00:38:17
saying things that are lies.
00:38:19
Yeah, there's only one good Canadian composer.
00:38:22
I stand by what I said.
00:38:24
I was just making sure that Michael Giacchino wasn't.
00:38:27
He's not.
00:38:27
Ha ha ha.
00:38:31
Ugh, yeah.
00:38:36
Anyway, yeah, no, fun little fact, the guy that wrote Lord of the Rings, one of the
00:38:40
most iconic scores of all time, also wrote the score of this movie.
00:38:44
Nowhere near as big of a cultural impact musically, but it's because the acting
00:38:50
outshone it.
00:38:51
Yeah.
00:38:51
Cool, Howard Shore, big fan.
00:38:53
So how scary did you think it was?
00:38:57
Um, I gave it a 2.5.
00:39:04
I know, right?
00:39:07
Which I was thinking about this also the other day that I feel like maybe I need to
00:39:13
go back and give two other movies like a little bit higher score because I don't
00:39:16
think I properly attributed how much they scared me when they first, like when I
00:39:20
first saw them.
00:39:21
Okay?
00:39:22
But those were at The Strangers and Saw.
00:39:24
Those two movies scared the shit out of me the first time I saw them.
00:39:27
And I can't remember what scores I gave them.
00:39:28
Yes, you don't know, you weren't there.
00:39:32
You were not a middle schooler watching Saw for the first time.
00:39:36
That changes you as a person.
00:39:38
Oh.
00:39:40
That's how I felt about fucking Pyramid Head in his movie, whatever that's called.
00:39:45
Silent Hill.
00:39:48
But yeah, I gave it a 2.5, because I do remember when I first watched this, it did
00:39:51
scare me a lot.
00:39:54
And I don't like the concept of being kidnapped.
00:39:57
Real life situations always scarier to me than the paranormal and stuff like that.
00:40:04
So yeah, I remember being creeped out.
00:40:05
And then I will say, I watched this today.
00:40:09
And then I was up here getting ready to record.
00:40:15
And as a little preface, I'm in a loft in my apartment and everything else is dark.
00:40:20
It's just lit up here.
00:40:23
And I heard a huge thunk outside and it freaked me out, like walking downstairs in
00:40:28
the dark.
00:40:29
I was like, someone's here.
00:40:31
I'm like.
00:40:33
Oh no!
00:40:34
It was just my package being delivered and the fucker just threw it on my patio.
00:40:39
Thankfully, it was not something that could have been broken, but still, I was a
00:40:44
little freaked out.
00:40:45
I was like, hmm, am I about to get kidnapped?
00:40:48
So there you go.
00:40:50
It still kinda, you know, puts me on a little edge.
00:40:54
What about you?
00:40:55
I gave it a one.
00:40:57
Okay, yeah, that's not surprising.
00:41:00
You think ghosts are scary.
00:41:03
Wait, it's scarier than Halloween, but not scary at all.
00:41:07
Was Halloween scary?
00:41:08
Halloween's not scary.
00:41:11
Did I give Halloween anything higher than a one?
00:41:13
I don't know, one's the lowest.
00:41:17
so it would be just as scary as Halloween.
00:41:21
Yeah, it should be, whatever I rated Halloween is what it should be, but in my
00:41:24
heart of hearts it's a one.
00:41:25
This movie's not scary at all.
00:41:27
Okay.
00:41:28
It did not...
00:41:30
I was never scared.
00:41:33
Fair!
00:41:33
I was unsettled, but not scared.
00:41:37
Okay.
00:41:39
Fair.
00:41:41
Thank you.
00:41:44
How sexy did you think it was?
00:41:47
Yeah.
00:41:48
Not at all.
00:41:50
Yeah.
00:41:51
There's nothing cute about it.
00:41:55
Jodie Foster's great.
00:41:57
She is.
00:42:00
That's about it.
00:42:03
Uh, what about you?
00:42:05
I also gave it a 1.
00:42:07
It's not the vibe.
00:42:09
No.
00:42:13
Yeah.
00:42:15
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:42:18
I gave it a two.
00:42:21
Cause I didn't like the skinning photos and the autopsy scene was like, it was a
00:42:25
bit much.
00:42:30
What about you?
00:42:32
Yeah.
00:42:34
It is pretty.
00:42:38
Yeah, it might be a three because I remember I just remembered the crucifix
00:42:41
scene.
00:42:43
I forgot about that.
00:42:46
God, I knew him, him looking at that pen.
00:42:48
I was like, hmm.
00:42:51
Get that pen away from him!
00:42:55
Have you ever seen the TV show, Hannibal?
00:42:58
No, but now this makes me want to.
00:42:59
I want to see Red Dragon and I want to see Hannibal.
00:43:01
Yeah, I want to re-watch Hannibal because I watched it, but it was like one of those
00:43:06
shows that I put on, but then I would do other stuff while I was watching it, so I
00:43:10
feel like I didn't really get a lot of effect.
00:43:14
But I do remember...
00:43:17
This is gonna sound so morbid, but like the crime scenes that they would
00:43:20
investigate were like...
00:43:24
very artistic and visually very cool.
00:43:27
Oooo
00:43:28
And so it kind of reminded me that they probably pulled from that scene of the
00:43:32
very extravagantly set up scene.
00:43:38
Well, are they exploring Hannibal's scenes?
00:43:42
Is it Hannibal's, oh, okay.
00:43:45
but I feel like just visually that might've inspired that section of it.
00:43:51
But no, I think it's like Hannibal is Will Graham's, it's about Will Graham who is a
00:43:57
character in the book.
00:44:00
I think he's in the book Red Dragon, which is why he's actually never mentioned in
00:44:04
this because they didn't have the rights to Red Dragon, they only had the rights to
00:44:07
Silence of the Lambs.
00:44:10
But he's the guy who
00:44:12
catches Hannibal Lecter.
00:44:13
So it's about their relationship, the show.
00:44:16
So it's before Hannibal's even caught.
00:44:21
Yeah.
00:44:21
time.
00:44:22
He's caught the first time.
00:44:24
Got it.
00:44:25
So he's caught and then he meets Clarice.
00:44:29
And then he escapes.
00:44:31
Yeah.
00:44:31
And so does he ever get caught a second time?
00:44:35
In Jamaica or wherever he is.
00:44:37
I don't know because Red Dragon is also I think a prequel so.
00:44:42
Okay, interesting.
00:44:44
Yeah.
00:44:46
chasing down Chilton.
00:44:50
Yeah, he sucks.
00:44:53
I think in the original ending it was going to be more not him just stalking
00:44:57
him, but him actually having him in his basement and being like, here we go.
00:45:04
Please.
00:45:08
Please just eat like one limb at a time.
00:45:11
Like clean cut the limbs and then like sauter them.
00:45:18
What's the word?
00:45:20
Like burn so it doesn't bleed one at a time.
00:45:27
one limb at a time.
00:45:28
That's what you want to see?
00:45:30
That's what he would do.
00:45:32
Okay.
00:45:33
What do you think?
00:45:35
You just said please.
00:45:37
Like you needed it.
00:45:38
Oh, well, I mean, it would be a good, it would be a good episode of Hannibal.
00:45:44
You want to watch a bad man get cut up and prolonged suffering.
00:45:52
I don't wanna watch that, but that...
00:45:57
would be good television.
00:45:58
watch it, I have a movie I can move up on the list.
00:46:01
Oh God.
00:46:03
No, no, no.
00:46:05
I don't wanna watch it in the way that whatever movie you're probably gonna
00:46:08
recommend, does it.
00:46:09
I wanna, like this, one thing about this movie is that it doesn't show the graphic
00:46:15
violence as it's happening.
00:46:16
I think that's what bothers me.
00:46:18
When, like, of graphic violence, seeing the aftermath of graphic violence does not
00:46:24
bother me.
00:46:25
Seeing the graphic violence happening, like.
00:46:28
Like in Annihilation when they're slicing the stomach open.
00:46:32
No thank you.
00:46:32
When the intestines are slithering around.
00:46:34
Kind of fun.
00:46:37
This, they don't show like the baton hitting the guy's head or you know, the
00:46:42
girl getting punched or the guy getting sliced open.
00:46:44
Like they don't show any of that.
00:46:45
They just show the aftermath.
00:46:46
Which to me is like less scary, but more like, oh God, how did that happen?
00:46:54
You know what I mean?
00:46:54
Like unnerving, suspenseful.
00:46:58
I don't know.
00:46:59
So if...
00:47:01
I don't...
00:47:01
To be clear, I don't want to see Hannibal Lector sawing anybody's arm off.
00:47:07
I literally just watched...
00:47:08
I literally messaged you about this morning.
00:47:10
I was watching an episode of Teen Wolf.
00:47:16
And Stiles is about to saw the guy saw Derek's arm off.
00:47:21
And I'm like...
00:47:24
Yeah, sorry.
00:47:24
Um...
00:47:26
He's about to saw Derek's arm off and I was screaming.
00:47:30
I was literally screaming because he was about to saw the guy's arm off.
00:47:34
But if off screen his arm was sawed off and then I saw like the arm or like the
00:47:41
bleeding, like whatever, you know, like whatever.
00:47:45
I was confused.
00:47:46
I was trying to remember what part you were at.
00:47:49
Because you said, Oh, when Stiles has to saw off daddy's arm.
00:47:54
And like, I, no offense to the actor, but I hate the character of Derek, like
00:48:01
vehemently.
00:48:03
Um, and so when you say daddy to me, that's Sheriff, like all the way.
00:48:08
And I was like, that's doesn't happen.
00:48:10
Like, I don't know.
00:48:11
Sheriff Stilinski Stiles is dad.
00:48:14
Oh, yeah, okay.
00:48:17
Yeah.
00:48:18
When I said daddy, I didn't mean like my daddy like daddy.
00:48:21
I meant like the daddy werewolf.
00:48:23
Like daddy.
00:48:24
Oh, okay.
00:48:27
No.
00:48:28
Well, I'm only on episode five, so don't spoil anything.
00:48:32
Yeah, but you know he's not an alpha.
00:48:34
This is a Teen Wolf podcast, now.
00:48:37
Teen Wolf Podcast.
00:48:38
Tune in to our new podcast dropping on Thursdays, every Thursday, Teen Wolf
00:48:43
Podcast.
00:48:44
Don't tempt me, I'll do it.
00:48:47
Um, I'll do a Teen Wolf Watch Party podcast.
00:48:52
Um, or yeah, uh.
00:48:55
people getting cut up.
00:48:58
Got it.
00:48:59
Aftermath, fine.
00:49:00
Watching it happen, not so much.
00:49:04
Got it.
00:49:04
They're doing their cop stuff or whatever, and then the victim just wakes up and he's
00:49:10
missing an arm and you look over and see his arm and it's missing and he's like,
00:49:14
ah, then he screams and then he passes out and then it goes back to cop stuff.
00:49:17
Maybe you see Hannibal.
00:49:18
And then the next scene, he wakes up and he's only got one arm and one leg and
00:49:23
Hannibal's just eaten away and then he passes out again and then there's more cop
00:49:26
stuff.
00:49:28
You know?
00:49:30
I have a movie for you.
00:49:32
Um.
00:49:32
Ha ha ha.
00:49:33
I have to see them cutting it off?
00:49:34
Do I have to see them cutting the limbs off?
00:49:38
Okay, yeah, let's do it.
00:49:40
Let's do it.
00:49:40
Okay.
00:49:44
Good, excellent.
00:49:45
Tomorrow, let's go.
00:49:46
it's on the list, like it's on the schedule already, but I can't remember
00:49:49
where I put it.
00:49:53
Anyways.
00:49:53
did a better job describing that movie just in that scene than I've ever
00:49:59
described a movie that I haven't watched yet.
00:50:04
Cute.
00:50:05
Okay, anyway, okay, go on.
00:50:07
I was just going to ask overall, what's your rating?
00:50:11
Oh, I give it a four and a half.
00:50:14
I really, really like it.
00:50:16
I like it more than Halloween.
00:50:24
I would hope.
00:50:30
Which reminds me, I was going to ask you, is Hannibal Lecter a masked killer?
00:50:37
Yeah, I'd consider it.
00:50:38
Okay, he doesn't kill while he's masked though.
00:50:41
He just wears a mask for a couple scenes.
00:50:43
but I feel like because his mask is so iconic and so synonymous with the
00:50:47
character, it counts.
00:50:53
Yeah.
00:50:54
Yeah.
00:50:56
Yeah, that's a little daddy, but like not.
00:50:58
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:51:00
Like, I get it.
00:51:01
Yeah.
00:51:01
Yeah, I definitely get it.
00:51:04
I'd flirt with the idea.
00:51:10
Oh, speaking of which, the scene where the cop is on the ground and his face is all
00:51:14
cut up and bloody, I fucking knew that was him.
00:51:18
I knew it was him.
00:51:20
because you've seen The Office.
00:51:26
When Dwight cuts off the CPR dummy and he puts it on and he's like, I just wanted to
00:51:32
see if it was accurate.
00:51:35
He's talking about Silence of the Lambs.
00:51:38
Oh, you're right, duh.
00:51:40
I forgot all about that scene.
00:51:45
shit.
00:51:46
Oh my god, I just saw the funn- this has nothing to do with anything.
00:51:49
I just saw the funniest fucking TikTok of Rainn Wilson calling Mark Cuban, who he
00:51:55
has never met before in his entire life.
00:51:58
And they just kind of shoot the shit.
00:51:59
Oh, are you bringing back The Office?
00:52:00
Oh, are you leaving Shark Tank?
00:52:01
Like just shooting the shit.
00:52:03
And then Rainn Wilson's like, okay, bye.
00:52:06
I hope to meet you soon.
00:52:06
We can high five and I'll trauma dump on you.
00:52:08
And then he hangs up.
00:52:12
I love that.
00:52:13
Isn't that cute?
00:52:15
That's great.
00:52:15
Yeah, that's the best way to meet a new person.
00:52:17
Okay, I hope to see you again and we can trauma dump.
00:52:22
Yeah.
00:52:23
So cute.
00:52:25
I'm a big fan of that.
00:52:26
Me too.
00:52:27
okay, overall, what did you think?
00:52:28
What did you give it?
00:52:32
You know how when a movie is so critically acclaimed and so well loved that you kinda
00:52:40
wanna dissect it?
00:52:42
And I think sometimes my middle school edgelord comes out where it's like, oh, I
00:52:47
wanna hate it cause it's popular, you know?
00:52:51
I'm already annoyed.
00:52:53
Okay, thank you.
00:52:54
Thank you.
00:52:55
I can't.
00:52:56
My middle school edgelord is gone.
00:52:58
This movie is genuinely fantastic.
00:53:01
It is a reason why it is critically acclaimed.
00:53:03
Yes, I do think like there are some problems in that area, obviously, and I
00:53:10
think it's good to address that and be aware of it.
00:53:14
But I still can't deny that this is a five out of five.
00:53:20
Yeah.
00:53:20
See, I wanted to give it a 5 out of 5 too!
00:53:23
Urgh!
00:53:23
didn't and I did.
00:53:24
So that's awkward.
00:53:29
Yeah, I just couldn't get past the like social connotation.
00:53:35
Yeah.
00:53:37
It's...
00:53:38
Yeah.
00:53:40
Honestly, we've kind of had too many bangers in a row.
00:53:42
I didn't realize.
00:53:44
Haunting of Hill House, Annihilation, this...
00:53:48
Next week's movie better bomb.
00:53:52
Honestly, yeah suggestions, please
00:53:56
No, we already have it because it's a new movie.
00:53:58
It comes out this Friday.
00:54:01
Yeah.
00:54:03
Well, not this Friday if you're listening, but this Friday from when we're filming
00:54:08
it.
00:54:10
Yes, yes, it's Lisa Frankenstein.
00:54:13
But first, I will have you predict, but first we have to ask, would you survive
00:54:18
Silence of the Lambs?
00:54:19
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:54:21
Um.
00:54:25
I think so.
00:54:27
Yeah.
00:54:30
Yeah, because I'm, yeah, I could be an FBI agent.
00:54:36
I'd be so good.
00:54:38
Yeah, I'm not as attractive as her.
00:54:41
But you know, so they probably wouldn't pick me.
00:54:45
You know what?
00:54:46
That's, yep, that's my reasoning right there.
00:54:47
I'm not as attractive as her, so they wouldn't pick me, so I'm never in any
00:54:50
danger at all.
00:54:52
I'm in the FBI Academy, my character.
00:54:55
in the FBI Academy, but not hot enough to be like, oh yeah, you go flirt with the
00:55:00
cannibal guy.
00:55:03
I'm livin'.
00:55:06
thriving.
00:55:06
How about you?
00:55:09
Don't talk about my friend kd like that, first of all.
00:55:14
Yes, because I'm not joining the FBI.
00:55:19
And also, Bill wouldn't want me because I have terrible skin.
00:55:26
I'm 30 and I still have acne.
00:55:28
And also, I'm not a size 14.
00:55:31
So I don't think that I fit the bill.
00:55:36
Bill.
00:55:37
Um, and also, again, I'm not helping a man.
00:55:46
So.
00:55:47
Yep, there you go.
00:55:49
Unfortunately, I have listened to enough true crime that I, especially at night
00:55:56
with no witnesses, I am not helping someone, anyone, let alone a man.
00:56:02
Yeah.
00:56:06
No thank you.
00:56:08
Um, agree.
00:56:10
Yeah, so I think I'm okay.
00:56:15
I just wanna roll it back a little bit to the size 14 comment in the movie.
00:56:22
He said, Bill, Jame says, the like enormously fat girl.
00:56:31
Size 14?
00:56:35
Yeah, this was also, that's also very much a product of the time.
00:56:40
I feel like 90s, early 2000s was very heroin chic and promoted a lot of, uh,
00:56:46
disordered eating and if you were a size six, you were fat.
00:56:53
There was a time when people thought Jessica Simpson was the fattest woman
00:56:59
they've ever seen, which is insane.
00:57:04
So.
00:57:04
Yeah.
00:57:05
Yeah, you can just look back on the early, or on the 90s and the early 2000s and look
00:57:09
at celebrities that were criticized for being fat.
00:57:14
And A, there is nothing wrong with being fat.
00:57:18
B, they weren't.
00:57:22
C, let's all stop that.
00:57:29
Great.
00:57:29
Yeah, I remember reading in the mid 2000s a book called Size 15 is Not Fat.
00:57:36
Mm-hmm.
00:57:38
Why did there have to be a book that said that?
00:57:41
Like...
00:57:41
Because of the climate.
00:57:47
The fact that even had to be said is insane.
00:57:54
Insane.
00:57:56
No wonder we're all fucked up.
00:58:02
We've really gone through it as a generation.
00:58:07
Anyway, just thought I would bring that out.
00:58:11
Yeah, agreed.
00:58:13
Because I literally just said, okay, not literally just, but I did say, there's not
00:58:18
a lot of overweight actors and actresses in horror.
00:58:23
Yeah.
00:58:25
This is not what I was asking for.
00:58:28
This is not body representation.
00:58:31
Yeah, this is a very normal sized woman.
00:58:35
Not normal, but like average, I guess, sized woman.
00:58:38
It was not.
00:58:40
Yeah.
00:58:42
Well.
00:58:45
What are you gonna do?
00:58:48
Watch a different movie, I guess.
00:58:50
Great.
00:58:51
Next week.
00:58:55
We are gonna be watching Lisa Frankenstein.
00:58:57
It's a new movie out in theaters.
00:58:59
on the 9th, which it'll already be out by the time you're hearing this, but...
00:59:02
We don't know if you should go see it yet, because we haven't seen it.
00:59:04
Ha ha ha.
00:59:05
Yeah.
00:59:07
Um, I think you should predict it.
00:59:11
Yeah, I've got nothing.
00:59:13
Oh, okay.
00:59:14
I mean, I've seen the trailer.
00:59:16
And I mean, I feel like it's kind of like Lisa Frankenstein.
00:59:23
What I've gotten from it is that, I think it's set in the eighties, based on the
00:59:27
clothing.
00:59:28
I think it's set in the eighties.
00:59:31
And Lisa seems like kind of like a little weirdo, kind of an outcast.
00:59:36
And I think that she, what I,
00:59:40
gathered is that she kind of has an obsession.
00:59:42
She goes to the cemetery a lot and she kind of develops this like obsession with
00:59:45
one grave.
00:59:47
And then she brings him back to life and it's Cole Sprouse.
00:59:55
And then it's kind of like a rom-com, oh no, we're getting ourselves into some
01:00:01
hairy situations type of thing.
01:00:05
Okay.
01:00:07
Do they kiss?
01:00:08
Sure, I mean it's written by Diablo Cody, so I'm expecting it to be her sense of
01:00:15
humor.
01:00:16
So I'm sure there will be, it's a horror comedy, obviously.
01:00:22
And yeah, I feel like they probably kiss.
01:00:26
And I think it's gonna end, ooh, how's it gonna end?
01:00:34
I don't think they're gonna end up together.
01:00:36
I think there's going to be something where she has to put him to rest finally.
01:00:42
Like Under Wraps, the Disney Channel original movie.
01:00:46
I love Under Wraps.
01:00:49
Go listen to our episode on it on Chasing Childhood podcast.
01:00:53
But yes, exactly like Under Wraps.
01:00:58
Okay.
01:00:59
No, because he doesn't have like a mummy lover, you know?
01:01:02
Like they had to give Harold back to be reunited with his mummy lover.
01:01:09
So no happy ending for Cole Sprouse.
01:01:12
I think it's like a bittersweet, like he has to be laid to rest and you know.
01:01:17
I don't think it's gonna be like a fun life for him living as this undead
01:01:23
monster.
01:01:25
And then I think it's also kind of gonna be bittersweet for Lisa where she knows
01:01:30
it's the right thing to do, but she has to kind of move on.
01:01:38
Sad.
01:01:40
It's a bittersweet ending.
01:01:43
I love those in my horror movies.
01:01:47
Ha ha ha.
01:01:50
Yeah, same.
01:01:53
Me too!
01:01:54
Not too good though.
01:01:56
No.
01:01:58
Like regular good.
01:01:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:02:01
Like a three out of five.
01:02:03
Yeah.
01:02:04
Yeah, that's yeah.
01:02:09
Cool.
01:02:11
Can't wait to watch.
01:02:12
Me neither.
01:02:13
Tune in next week.
01:02:15
We'll see you then.
01:02:17
Please.
01:02:19
ha Bye!