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Hello.
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Hi.
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Happy Tuesday.
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Happy Tuesday.
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And happy Halloween, by the way.
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Yeah, we didn't really say it last episode, but hope everybody had a happy Halloween.
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Yeah, You'd think we would have made a bigger deal about it.
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I kind of forgot that that's when the episode was coming out, so...
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might be.
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Yeah, it wasn't like an especially Halloween forward movie.
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I mean, kinda.
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It took place on Halloween, Katie.
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Yeah, but it wasn't like...
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There's like a whole scene where they talk about their costumes.
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It's crazy that you would say that to me.
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Yeah, it wasn't enough.
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It wasn't enough to remind us that we did this for a reason.
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By we, I mean you.
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Yummy.
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Well...
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I guess moving forward we'll just have to do one movie from the Halloween franchise every year.
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Perfect, perfect.
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And it's also so funny that you say that because did you see that bloody disgusting has the definitive ranking of the Halloween movies as voted on by like the general public?
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Is the first one the first?
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well in 13th place is Halloween Resurrection.
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That checks out.
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Then Halloween 2 from 2009.
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Then Halloween 6, Curse of Michael Myers.
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Halloween End is number 10.
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Wait, I kind of liked Halloween Ends.
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It was...
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I haven't seen them all.
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Halloween 5?
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Yeah.
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Halloween 5, Revenge of Michael Myers.
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Halloween 2007, Halloween kills at number seven.
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At number six, H2O.
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oh
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Great.
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At number five, Halloween four, the return of Michael Myers.
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At number four, Halloween three, this is going in a particular direction, season of the witch.
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At number three, Halloween 2018.
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Okay.
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And then number two, Halloween two, and at number one, Halloween 1978.
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Interesting.
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It's kind of fun to see Halloween III move up the ranks because people hated that movie when it came out.
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Season of the Witch.
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Yeah, it's not.
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It's an anthology, it's not about Michael Myers.
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So they tried something different.
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At the time, it did not work out well.
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People were not happy at all.
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Now, people have come to appreciate it for what it is, which is just like a fun Halloween movie, rather than like a story about Michael Myers, you know what I mean?
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But yeah, there's like technically five different timelines, I think, for the Halloween series, so.
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Which is crazy.
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And it's funny that you say all this because under Halloween 3 season the witch, the commentary is, crazy is this?
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I remember a time when Halloween 3 was hated by fans with many unable to get over its bold departure from the Michael Myers of it all.
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But funny enough, that's exactly how I rated.
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It was Halloween 78, Halloween 281, and Halloween 2018.
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Of the ones that you've seen there?
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Yeah.
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I don't know how I would rank them.
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Honestly, I'd probably have to rewatch them because those movies and the Friday the 13th movies, I watched them all in one go.
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Like, I did a marathon of them.
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And so it's like, they're all the same to me.
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Because like the plot doesn't change that much between them.
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So like I remember Season of the Witch because it was so different.
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I remember Jason X because he's in space, you know what I mean?
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So it's like, I don't think it's fair for me to rate them based on that.
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But maybe one day we'll do that.
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We'll do, we'll have to do like a whole shebang.
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Yeah, 13 movies back to back.
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We watched six of the Saw movies that one day.
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Hell yeah.
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Yeah, that was pretty nice.
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Anyway, okay, well, yeah, we're here to talk today about Candymen, two of them, the 1992 version and the 2021 version.
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Yes, technically the sequel.
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Timeline wise.
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Yes, I like to think of it as like a reboot, but it is basically a direct sequel.
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Not basically, it is.
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Yeah, it is.
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But first, we're play a little game and you're welcome to play along.
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See if you can beat our scores.
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We're going to alternate.
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No, we're not gonna.
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Yeah, we're gonna alternate, but like five at a time.
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Guessing the Rotten Tomatoes scores of movies that we've reviewed on the podcast.
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I don't think I'll remember any of them.
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Great.
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Question, are we guessing the critic score or the audio?
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oh, okay.
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I don't think I'm gonna do very well at this.
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Me neither, but you know what?
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Whatever.
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All right, cool.
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I'm going to start by giving you movies to guess.
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All right.
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And I've got pen and paper, so if you tell me the scores, I can do the little mathy-mats real quick.
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Great.
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Spinning the wheel.
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Okay, do it.
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Alright, first movie.
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2019's Us.
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Oh, fuck, okay.
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Well, we know it's high on both ends.
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Critics I'm going to go 88.
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No, critics I'm going to go 92.
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And audience I'm going to go 87.
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Critics score 93.
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This is where you lost out though.
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Audiences did not like it that much.
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61.
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Yeah.
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I knew they liked it less.
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I didn't know it was that less.
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Uh huh.
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Fuck, I loved that movie.
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That's like probably my favorite of the three.
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No, it's not.
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It's my least favorite of the three.
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But they're all really good,
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It's probably my favorite of the bottom, but it's still.
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oh
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my favorite of his films in third place.
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But like my favorite one.
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Okay, so that's...
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my least favorite of his three, but like that's not a, I still like it a lot.
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So it's crazy that like that's the bottom.
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still a great film.
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Okay, so what was it, 93 and what?
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93 and 61.
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Okay, so that's a 26 point discrepancy and a one point discrepancy for a total of we're playing golf rules.
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27 points I currently have.
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Okay.
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That's a lot.
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Do you wanna go now and then we can just, I'll spin.
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Let's do it that way.
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I would like you to go next.
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Okay, I would love to go next.
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Okay.
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your film is the remake, 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead.
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Ooh, okay.
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I know that people like this one.
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So I think that that's okay, but it's not as they don't like it as much as the original.
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Okay, I'm gonna go.
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Critics score?
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74%.
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Mm-hmm.
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Audience score.
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I think it's, I feel like it's still in the 70s, but I think they maybe liked it a little bit more.
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So I'm gonna go 78%.
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Oh, are those two similar?
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no, okay.
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Yeah, nope, just do it, send it.
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Okay, that is, it's a 77 both ways.
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77 critics and 77 the other one.
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They perfectly agree.
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Perfectly agree.
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It's just a 3.5 out of 5.
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Have we had that before?
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Probably.
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But the exact same number?
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That's wild.
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same number.
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That's a discrepancy of only four points.
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Good job.
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That was crazy.
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There was only one point.
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You were only one point off for the audience score.
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Oh, because I did 78?
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Wow, both of us got a one point diff?
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That's pretty good.
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That was way better than I thought I was going to do it.
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was going to really...
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But that one I feel like is like...
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That one makes sense in my brain, you know what I mean?
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That they would both think it's like 70, because I feel like the original is like a little bit higher.
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So it's like, but the remake is a very good remake.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Alright, your turn, are you ready?
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All right, your film, the original Amityville Horror, 1979.
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Ooh, okay, it's a classic.
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feel like it was a little divisive, but not like divisive, divisive.
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but not terribly.
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Yeah.
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I definitely think critics will score it higher.
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Okay.
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I'm debating between 60s and 70s for critics, which is probably not ideal.
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And then also 60s and 70s.
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Okay, now let's do 70s and 80s for critics and 60s and 70s for audience.
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So let's do
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71 critic score and 67 audience score.
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I'm so sorry.
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I don't, I feel like because it's a classic, you're, you're getting skewed.
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Why?
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Is it that bad?
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Are they terrible?
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The critic score is 32 % and the audience is 52%.
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Okay, well, I wasn't that bad.
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Okay, wait, so that's 15 and 39.
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Yeah.
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Remember when we rated it and I was like, the remake is just a bad remake of a bad movie.
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We talked about it.
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But I do get when you think of the classics, you think like critics liked it anyway.
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This one, they don't like it.
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I know I'm so sorry.
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That's okay.
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That's three, four, five.
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Another 54 points for me.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay.
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Okay, your movie.
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Yes.
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Should be fresh in your mind.
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It's 2015's Crimson Peak.
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Ooh, Guillermo.
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Okay, okay, okay.
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I feel like this was the one we just talked about it.
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I want to say critics liked it, audiences didn't.
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I'm gonna go critic score.
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83 %?
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Okay.
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Audiences score?
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I'm gonna go.
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What's considered rotten?
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Is it under 60?
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I think 65.
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If I had to guess.
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below 65.
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Okay, okay.
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I'm gonna go 50...
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2%.
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Okay.
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It's a 72 critic score for an 11 point difference and a 56 % audience score.
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You said 52.
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For a 4 % difference.
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That's not that bad.
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didn't do terror.
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Yeah, no, not at all.
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That's only a 15 point discrepancy.
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So you currently have 19 points total compared to my 81.
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I feel really bad, I feel like Amityville fucked you over because that was not...
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Damn.
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I forgot.
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I mean, I remember thinking it was better than...
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I actually don't remember it at all.
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I remember there was a dog.
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Right?
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That's one with the dog?
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There's a dog.
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There's dogs.
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There's dogs.
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And then the remake is what's his face?
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Ryan.
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Yeah.
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I don't remember Dogs in the Original, but I kinda black out the original too, cause I don't like it.
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No, it's not.
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I don't know what I'm talking about then.
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It came out in the 70s.
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Well, what am I thinking of?
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wait.
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I know what.
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Yeah, I'm thinking of...
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There's a dog.
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There's a dog and it's black and white and there's a kid and the kid's kind of creepy.
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The Omen?
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Yeah.
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It's not The Omen.
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Yeah.
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The original.
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I don't think the original's black and white.
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No?
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No, I think it's just that one picture of him in the graveyard that's black and white that's making you think it's in black and white.
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Yeah, it's not in back away.
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Yeah, or maybe it's the poster that's black and white.
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I mean, to your point, yeah, a lot of things are in black and white, but the movie's not.
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Ugh, annoying.
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Anyway, I mean, we knew we'd get my wires crossed.
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Had to happen.
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All right.
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Your turn.
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Alright, from our episode, Best of the Bad, you've got Dead Silence.
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The puppet one.
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Mary Shaw.
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Yeah, remember she's a ventriloquist, Mary Shaw.
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Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Okay, well, I know it's bad.
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Best of the bad.
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Okay, dead.
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You want to something funny?
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just at a new horror shop that just opened up near us.
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They've got like t-shirts and like paraphernalia and stuff.
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And they had like a whole rack of shirts of totally kill, not totally killer.
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The one with the hand where the hand is idle hands.
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Yeah.
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Okay, dead silent.
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to.
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Dead silence.
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The silence um is gonna be bad.
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How bad?
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30s or 40s, maybe even less.
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20s perhaps?
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I think people like it more than critics do, definitely.
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And I think the point was that people liked it more than critics.
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Best of the bad.
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They've got like a little cult following.
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Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb.
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The number that's sticking out to me for audiences is 64.
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So I'm gonna do that.
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And then for critics, I think critics hate it.
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So I'm gonna give it a 24.
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Critics score is 21.
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Very good.
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Audiences did like it better, but not that much.
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They gave it a 51.
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No, that's good.
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That's 13.
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13 and three is 16.
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That's only 16 points more.
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So now I'm at 97.
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I'm not mad about it.
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That wasn't bad.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The context of it being one of our best of the bad ones helped a lot.
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Yeah, I-
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Maybe you said that.
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I feel like you deserve that after it.
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You're welcome.
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Yeah.
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okay, your next movie, not from too long ago.
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god, I'm getting recent ones, okay.
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2022 and the episode was pretty recent bodies bodies bodies
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my god, this movie fuuuucks.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay, okay, hi, we're thinking hi here, I, hmm.
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Not too high though, because I know I like it more than people.
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Okay, I think critic score is gonna be higher.
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I'm gonna go with...
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81 % critic score and then I'm gonna go with
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75 % audience score.
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Okay, it's actually an 86 % critic score for a five point difference.
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Yeah, certified fresh.
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And a 69, nice popcorn meter for a six point difference, total of 11 points difference.
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Why don't audiences like that movie more?
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They should like that movie more.
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They're stupid, so true.
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now you have 30 points total and I have 97.
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Something terrible has to happen for me to even come close to winning this.
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Yeah, how many do we have left?
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great, okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Plenty of time.
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Okay.
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Okay, we're going back to our roots.
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First episode we ever did, Blair Witch Project.
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Blair Witch.
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This is a universally liked film.
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Perhaps not adored, but liked.
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critics, I think audiences didn't like the slog of it all, but critics forgave that a little bit more.
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I'm gonna do critics 70.
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Two, I think that would still put it at certified fresh and audiences.
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The 69 of Bodies Bodies Bodies is calling me.
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I think I'm gonna do that.
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Okay, 72 critics, 69 audience.
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Critics liked it more.
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They gave it an 86%.
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Audiences liked it less.
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It's a 57%.
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It's technically rotten for audiences.
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I know.
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Which I did not, I would not have guessed that either, I don't think.
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Yeah, no way.
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Well, I mean, maybe.
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I probably would have guessed audiences in like the 60s as well.
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Which is not too far off, but yeah, I probably would have too.
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I didn't know people didn't like it that much.
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I think it's also though like a little bit skewed because like there's people who are watching it now for like you, you watched it, you know, a couple years ago for the first
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time, which like it's not going to hit the same way that it did in the 90s because yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's a 14 point critic and 12 point popcorn discrepancy for a total of 26 points, which puts me now at the math is getting too big.
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123 points.
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Great.
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I think you're doing great.
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You're welcome.
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Okay, your next movie is...
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The 2023 Alexander Skarsgård film, Infinity Pool.
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Oh, okay, I know that people liked this more than I did.
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Well, no, think critics liked this one.
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I don't think audiences liked this one.
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I think critics gave it.
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I'm feeling like upper 70s, lower 80s.
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I think let's go.
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81 %
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Mm-hmm.
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And then I do think, I think audiences did not like this as much.
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I'm going to say 63 % audience score.
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Okay.
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It's actually an 87 % critic score.
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That's only a six point discrepancy.
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And a 52 % audience score.
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But still only an 11 point discrepancy for a total of 17, which puts you at 47 points total.
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Okay, okay, I'll take it.
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Not bad.
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Yeah, I feel like audiences were more in line with...
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I don't remember what I rated that movie though.
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Maybe like a two.
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an audience member recommend it to us, which would have skewed me.
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I would have thought that audiences liked it.
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I knew we didn't like it as much as we were expecting.
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really have an audience who?
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not our audience.
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like, broadly, someone who is not a critic recommended this to us, which would have skewed my answer.
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I would have thought the audience liked it more because someone recommended it to us.
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Yeah.
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Alright, last one for you?
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Yep.
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I really gotta nail this down.
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Okay.
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2019's Ready or Not.
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Okay, I think this is universally beloved.
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People like this film.
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This is the one with Samara weaving, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, people like this one.
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okay.
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oh
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I feel like they're similar in score.
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Not high, not 90s.
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High 70s, low 80s for the both.
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Okay.
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So.
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70s, low 80s would be I think audiences like to get more so let's do 81 audience and let's do 79 critics.
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Audiences did not like it more.
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I'm so sorry, Katie.
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But not that bad.
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Critics gave it an 89%.
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Okay.
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Audiences gave it a 78%.
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Yeah.
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so 981 that's three for a total of 13 points.
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That's not bad at all.
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So that puts me final score at 136.
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That's not that bad.
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The first one really fucked me.
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If Amityville had not happened, you'd be up such a good score.
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Yeah, yeah.
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one that fucked me.
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I didn't do great on a couple of them, but.
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It is what it is.
00:22:49
Okay.
00:22:50
know what?
00:22:50
Sometimes we get Amityville Horror and it ruins our whole life.
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So what are you gonna do?
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Yeah, honestly.
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Yeah.
00:22:56
Fuck you, Amityville Hort.
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I'm going to go and recant my score, whatever it was.
00:23:00
It was too high.
00:23:03
this feels like cheating for you.
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It's gonna be, it's just, it is what it is.
00:23:12
The Wheel of Names has chosen for you, 1979, the original alien movie.
00:23:18
Yeah, well, it is universally beloved.
00:23:24
This is probably the highest scores of all the movies we've talked about today.
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Easily.
00:23:30
Not to give you anything away, but...
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Yeah, dare I say 90s for both, I think.
00:23:36
Ooh, I'm gonna go and-
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95 critics, 93 audience.
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For a total discrepancy of three points.
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Yeah, it's a 93 critic score and a 94 audience.
00:23:52
That was just unfair.
00:23:54
Um...
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That's okay.
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It's just- it's how- that's how the cards have fallen.
00:24:01
Okay, so you are clearly the winner.
00:24:04
with a total discrepancy of only 50 points.
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Versus my 136.
00:24:11
It was like a pretty close race.
00:24:13
I'm happy to have come out on top.
00:24:17
Yeah, no it really wasn't though.
00:24:19
I'm just trying to be nice.
00:24:21
But again, I feel as though if Amityville hadn't been there.
00:24:27
It would have been better, perhaps.
00:24:30
Yeah.
00:24:31
I mean, not that much closer.
00:24:33
That was like a 30 point discrepancy though.
00:24:36
Yeah.
00:24:36
Well, no, it was 54 for that alone.
00:24:40
I got 54 points for that one.
00:24:42
Yikes, yeah.
00:24:44
Yeah!
00:24:45
well.
00:24:45
uh Yeah, that was fun.
00:24:49
Yeah, on the spur of moment.
00:24:51
I thought of that like 25 minutes ago into a 31 minute podcast.
00:24:58
No, but tell us what scores you got in the comments.
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Did you do better than me?
00:25:04
Definitely.
00:25:06
No, maybe Amityville tricked them too.
00:25:09
Maybe, I mean...
00:25:11
They call it a classic, but it really isn't.
00:25:14
Yeah, it's crazy that a movie with those scores spawned such a large franchise, but what are you gonna do?
00:25:20
Yeah.
00:25:21
I thought they could do it better.
00:25:23
Yeah.
00:25:23
All right, should we talk about Candyman?
00:25:27
Yeah, I think we should.
00:25:29
Do it, lady.
00:25:30
Oh yeah, me first.
00:25:31
Okay, I'm going to give you a little summary of the 1992 version, the original Candyman.
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The original Candyman was released in 1992 by director Bernard Rose and from a story by author Clive Barker, who also wrote the Hellraiser series.
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It starred Tony Todd, Virginia Madden, Casey Lemons, and Vanessa Estelle Williams.
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Skeptical graduate student Helen Lyle befriends Anne-Marie McCoy while researching superstitions in a housing project on Chicago's near North Side.
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From Anne Marie, Helen learns about the Candyman, a knife-wielding figure of urban legend that some of her neighbors believe to be responsible for a recent murder.
00:26:06
After a mysterious man matching the Candyman's description begins stalking her,
00:26:09
Helen comes to fear that the legend may be all too real.
00:26:12
The 92 version had a $30 million budget and made $25.7 million worldwide despite having a 3.7 out of 5 on Letterboxd, a 6.7 out of 10 on IMDB, and a 79 % critics and 64 % audience
00:26:24
score on Round Tomatoes.
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I'm committing that all to memory for the next time we play the Rotten Tomatoes game.
00:26:32
Yeah, when you inevitably get Candyman 1992.
00:26:35
Yeah, out of 165 other movies or 180 by the time we play it again.
00:26:40
Yeah, well, at least you'll know that one.
00:26:43
Yeah.
00:26:45
Lots of bee fun facts.
00:26:46
So many B-fun facts.
00:26:48
It's a B-movie.
00:26:49
It- this is the original B-movie.
00:26:52
Mm-hmm.
00:26:53
I'll start with some bee fun facts.
00:26:59
They used more than 200 real bees throughout.
00:27:04
They were honey bees.
00:27:06
And they had like a bee wrangler called Norman Gary, who has worked on many other movies featuring bees like the deadly bees or my girl.
00:27:17
Sorry, everybody who's seen that and fried green tomatoes.
00:27:22
Red Green Tomatoes kills me.
00:27:24
There's one scene in that movie I can't watch.
00:27:26
I feel like people feel that way about my girl.
00:27:28
I've never seen my girl, because I know what happens, and I'm not doing that.
00:27:32
That's crazy.
00:27:34
It's like people who are like, watch Marley and Me.
00:27:36
No, I'm good, actually.
00:27:38
I don't need to do that.
00:27:39
movie wasn't anywhere near as sad as people make it out to be just because a dog dies like dog dies in every movie like a dog dies in this movie
00:27:46
I see a dog as the center of a movie.
00:27:49
Guess what?
00:27:49
Not watching it, because I know how that's ending.
00:27:52
My girl, that tricks you.
00:27:54
You don't expect that one to happen, But I'm not going to watch it.
00:28:00
That sounds...
00:28:01
No, I'm not crying that hard.
00:28:03
Sorry.
00:28:04
Yeah, nobody needs to see that.
00:28:07
Yeah, no, the bees were specifically bred for the movie.
00:28:11
The bee wrangler, Norman Gehry, said that they were just old enough to look like adult bees, but not sting like adult bees.
00:28:22
They still stung, but not as bad as a fully fledged adult.
00:28:28
Yeah, I know they took like a lot of precautions to try to avoid the stinging, but obviously it's not gonna...
00:28:37
Everybody gets stung.
00:28:39
That's just part of doing a movie like this.
00:28:42
There's also a famous rumor about this movie.
00:28:46
Well, okay, here's what happened.
00:28:49
So apparently Tony Todd did an interview with TMZ where he talked about like wearing dental dam during the scene where the bees are in his mouth so that they didn't like go
00:29:01
down his throat.
00:29:02
Yeah, that's a fun fact and itself that was real.
00:29:05
Yeah, that, yes, this is what he told TMZ.
00:29:09
And he said that he did get stung.
00:29:12
He said in that one 23, but then later he said 26.
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So who's to say how many times he actually got somewhere in the 20s, I'm guessing.
00:29:20
Anyways, he said,
00:29:22
that it might have been worth it because he has a great lawyer, a thousand dollars of pop, implying that he got a thousand dollars every time he got stung by the bee.
00:29:30
My guess, because later the director Bernard Rose said that that him negotiating a salary, like a thousand dollar bonus every time he got stung was not true, that that didn't
00:29:42
happen.
00:29:43
So my guess is that Tony Todd said this like as a joke to be like, yeah, I got a thousand dollars every time.
00:29:48
Like I got a great lawyer, know, hee hee, ha ha.
00:29:51
And then people just ran with that and pretended that that was true and he negotiated.
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And that's how the rumor got started.
00:29:58
That's my assumption of how this all happened.
00:30:03
Until Bernard Rose was like, no, I wasn't a part of the contract or anything like, yeah.
00:30:09
Funny how he had to debunk a rumor that was started by his own actor.
00:30:14
Yeah.
00:30:16
I'm assuming accidentally, yeah.
00:30:20
a reasonable...
00:30:21
You could easily write that into a contract.
00:30:24
Like, yeah, sure, I'll get stung by bees, but every time you let me get stung...
00:30:30
Yeah.
00:30:31
I feel like it's not unreasonable to think that that was the truth.
00:30:35
But...
00:30:35
Apparently not.
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I would have just let people go on believing it.
00:30:40
I would have corroborated the story.
00:30:42
It's a fun, cutesy little fact.
00:30:46
Yeah, right?
00:30:48
That's half the movie's budget for 23 Stings.
00:30:52
See, and I read that the 23 Stings was throughout the course of all of the films, not just the first one.
00:30:58
Oh, okay.
00:31:00
So a little bit of discrepancy in the story's Tony.
00:31:04
Which, you know what, it's fair.
00:31:06
Are you really gonna remember that many years after you like, when you're doing an interview, 10, 15 years later?
00:31:12
Probably not.
00:31:13
You're gonna be like, yeah, I somewhere in the 20s.
00:31:17
Virginia Madsen also almost passed on the role because she's allergic.
00:31:23
Another fun fact said that basically every actor and actress that worked on the film got stung at least once.
00:31:28
So that's fun to imagine.
00:31:30
She, yes, she said, I can't, I'm allergic to bees, like I can't do the movie.
00:31:36
And Bernard Rose was like, no, you're not, like you're fine.
00:31:39
And then she did a test to see if she was allergic to bees.
00:31:43
Apparently she is, but not as much as she is to wasps.
00:31:47
So he was like, you're fine, like we'll just have a paramedic on set.
00:31:50
And they did, and she did it.
00:31:52
Amazing.
00:31:53
Yeah.
00:31:55
to get the bees onto the things that they needed to be on, like the people or the toilet in that one scene.
00:32:02
They used queen bee scent.
00:32:05
They just covered stuff in that and then the bees were literally poured on.
00:32:09
Have you ever seen bees poured?
00:32:11
It's fun.
00:32:12
It's interesting.
00:32:13
It's a weird consistency.
00:32:16
Like an ooblick.
00:32:17
fan of like, swarming.
00:32:22
However, in the grand scheme of bug swarming, that doesn't bother me as much because I like bees.
00:32:29
Yeah.
00:32:30
Bees are great.
00:32:31
Yeah, I don't think I want them swarming me, but...
00:32:35
If I was guaranteed $1 a pop...
00:32:37
Honestly, he wouldn't even have to pay me that much.
00:32:40
I would just do it.
00:32:41
Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like you would do the, yeah, you'd do it for free.
00:32:45
You'd love every second of it.
00:32:46
Yeah.
00:32:47
I don't know that I would pay.
00:32:50
You're like, I'll pay them a thousand dollars a pop.
00:32:53
yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:55
If there was like a uh experience where you could be like covered in bees for like a photo shoot or something, I think I actually I would pay for that.
00:33:01
Yeah, I could see you doing that.
00:33:03
Yeah.
00:33:04
I don't even have to.
00:33:05
I can just go into my parents backyard, take their hive, and...
00:33:08
pour the bees on me.
00:33:10
Can't wait to see the pics.
00:33:12
They're assholes though, I probably wouldn't do it with them.
00:33:14
Tony Todd also in another interview explained that the bees had their own trailer and that Norman Gary, the entomologist, insisted that Tony go and meet the bees ahead of time, like
00:33:28
an actor would meet another actor.
00:33:30
And that helped.
00:33:32
Tony Todd said that that was very reassuring and that seeing Gary talk to the bees was
00:33:41
just kind of calming and helped him create a relationship with them.
00:33:45
Nice.
00:33:46
So cutie.
00:33:48
Yeah, they had like a little bee vacuum too to get them off safely.
00:33:52
They'd just suck them up.
00:33:57
I think they used like a reverse vacuum.
00:33:59
What would that be like a little leaf blower to blow them at the camera for this warming effect?
00:34:06
That's probably when everybody got stung.
00:34:09
It doesn't feel very nice.
00:34:10
just leaf blowing bees at you.
00:34:12
Yeah, I would probably not be.
00:34:15
Poor bees.
00:34:17
Yeah.
00:34:18
Any other Bee Fun facts?
00:34:22
Heavy Bee, yeah, Heavy Bee movie.
00:34:24
Yeah, and knowing that it was practical.
00:34:29
Crazy.
00:34:29
They just don't do it anymore.
00:34:32
That one Nicolas Cage movie could never.
00:34:34
Was that Real Bees?
00:34:36
The Wicker Man?
00:34:38
I don't know.
00:34:42
Okay.
00:34:43
Okay, it's a mix of real bees and CGI bees, but there's a Reddit thread that says that that scene's not even in the movie.
00:34:50
It's a deleted scene.
00:34:52
Can I tell you secret?
00:34:53
I've never seen either of the Wicker Men's.
00:34:56
Neither have I.
00:34:58
I'll get around to it, they're on my watchlist.
00:35:00
Are they horror?
00:35:02
It's listed as horror mystery.
00:35:05
Yeah, Let's do it next week.
00:35:09
Just get through all the B movies.
00:35:12
No, too many V-movies right next to each other.
00:35:15
Yeah, that's going to be a whole category now that we can't watch back to back.
00:35:20
with B's we can't do back to back but-
00:35:23
You mentioned that this is based on a Clyde Barker story.
00:35:27
It is pretty different from the original story.
00:35:31
It's called The Forbidden, but well, not too different, but the original takes place in Liverpool instead of Chicago.
00:35:41
They moved it to Chicago and it is still like about class systems and stuff like that, but it's not so much about race and
00:35:50
obviously like inner cities in the US, but they kind of got that.
00:35:55
So I guess like Clive Barker got some backlash too when this movie came out because they were like, people thought he, because it was based on his story that he was taking
00:36:04
advantage of like the like black experience.
00:36:07
And he's like, I didn't write about that.
00:36:10
they did that for the movie.
00:36:11
Like that's not what my story was about.
00:36:13
So.
00:36:14
Well, I also think people were specifically calling out like you can't take from African-American folklore and make a movie out of it as a white man and like.
00:36:23
thought that Candyman was a real legend and not something he made up for his book.
00:36:29
Yeah, and it wasn't even exactly something that he made up for his book in that context because again the movie yeah, they're just people didn't dig in enough before they got
00:36:39
upset about it
00:36:40
a little bit of miscommunication.
00:36:43
I mean, and it should be said, maybe we should have led with this.
00:36:45
ah This is...
00:36:48
Correct me if this is still wrong.
00:36:51
I couldn't think of any more and I did a little background.
00:36:53
The only slasher movie in the horror canon with a black serial killer as the villain.
00:36:57
It's the only one I can think of.
00:36:59
There was some.
00:37:01
commentary on that as well as like villainizing black people.
00:37:07
Yeah.
00:37:08
But the response to that was very much like, why can't a Black actor be cast as a villain?
00:37:16
So another piece of commentary, lot of, mean, there's commentary in this film for everyone to relate to, whether it's religion, whether it's race, whether it's class.
00:37:26
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of different elements to what they're talking about here, with race and class being like a big one.
00:37:35
And I could see, I think that this is at least as far as I could gather a movie where the opinion has kind of changed on it, where when it first came out, I feel like it got a
00:37:46
little bit more backlash and now...
00:37:49
I think I see more articles praising it for discussing those topics and themes, so yeah, but...
00:37:56
as it was the like inter-raciality of it all also.
00:38:01
Yeah, which I know like Tony Todd even spoke to like the scene of them dancing and how like some of that was cut down because they were afraid of like really delving into that
00:38:10
kind of a topic.
00:38:12
But yeah, I don't know.
00:38:14
mean, that's
00:38:16
think it was done well, but I'm also a white person so like my opinion does not matter as much.
00:38:23
But I will say from what I could find a lot of modern takes on it are a little bit more appreciative rather than critical, but I would never want to like say that people can't be
00:38:36
upset with the movie or those themes if they feel like it wasn't done with grace.
00:38:42
Sure.
00:38:43
And I do think that something is to be said about a powerhouse like Jordan Peele having, I mean, and I mean, the director of the 2021 version is also a black woman, them taking it
00:38:56
and making it their own in 2021 also says something to both the impact and the importance of the 92 version.
00:39:06
Yeah.
00:39:08
Also, and along the same lines, we can go through all of the reception.
00:39:15
It's now included among the American Film Institute's 2021 list for 400 movies nominated for the top 100 most heart-pounding American movies.
00:39:23
It's included among the 1001 movies you must see before you die by Steven Schneider.
00:39:28
Candyman is number eight on Bloody Disgusting's top 13 slashers in horror movie history and number eight on Ugo's top 11 slashers.
00:39:37
And then Tony Todd is number 53 on Retro Crush's The 100 Greatest Horror Movie Performance for the role.
00:39:44
So, highly regarded.
00:39:47
across the board.
00:39:48
Yeah, for sure.
00:39:50
I think it's funny too that the people making the movie did not think of Candyman as that scary.
00:39:56
They wanted him to be more of romantic figure, which I feel like I get.
00:40:02
Not to give anything away for our sexy rating, but I got that, I got it.
00:40:08
But yeah, Tony Todd even compared him to, this role is him playing his own personal version of Phantom of the Opera, so.
00:40:17
Mm-hmm.
00:40:19
Yeah, it was definitely giving Phantom of the Opera.
00:40:23
I think he even says, come to me at one point.
00:40:25
Like, that's...
00:40:27
I feel like that was a big inspiration.
00:40:29
Dracula was a big inspiration.
00:40:31
Like that kind of allure of this romantic villain.
00:40:38
Yeah, I would call this a vampire movie.
00:40:41
Oh.
00:40:42
but I get the vibe of it all.
00:40:46
I think Virginia Madsen even said that she was sort of glad that this was giving the black community a Dracula.
00:40:56
Mm.
00:40:57
Speaking of Virginia Madsen, apparently the director used hypnosis to make her look and feel like she was under the spell of the Candyman, which again, it's just the phantom of
00:41:10
the opera of it all is very, it just is what it is.
00:41:13
uh But it made Madsen really uncomfortable.
00:41:16
The more she did it, the more uncomfortable she got with it.
00:41:20
So they had to stop doing that.
00:41:22
Yeah, well, you know.
00:41:24
I just don't think of hypnotism as being like a serious thing anymore after all the like comedy hypnotism shows that I've gone out of my way to see because they're hilarious.
00:41:41
I love when people make people do stupid things on stage.
00:41:47
don't know if this is controversial, but like, part of me just thinks it's fake.
00:41:52
I don't know.
00:41:53
I'm sure there are people who have been hypnotized that would argue that, but every time I see it can't just help thinking like, are they just going along with things?
00:42:03
They're already on stage and they don't want...
00:42:05
Which, when they brought a hypnotist to my school for like, I don't know, was like prom night or something, like after prom or...
00:42:13
No, or was it after grad party?
00:42:16
I don't know, but they had a hypnotist.
00:42:18
And like three people were like, yeah, no, I wasn't hypnotized.
00:42:20
I was just doing it because I was already up there and I didn't want to have to leave the stage after.
00:42:24
So I'm like, I don't know.
00:42:26
I'm a skeptic, but I also know you have to be like willing to do it for it to work and I'm not, so it would never work on me.
00:42:35
So I don't know.
00:42:36
It's so funny that you say that because I had a hypnotist at my grad night and it was literally the funniest fucking thing that has ever happened to me.
00:42:45
It was so funny.
00:42:46
I will never forget it.
00:42:47
The guy that I was interested in at the time was one of the people on stage and he was like afraid of garbage cans or something at the end of it.
00:42:55
Hilarious.
00:42:57
And he says it was real, he's like actually...
00:43:00
I'm not, I don't know, I'm sure it is.
00:43:04
I know.
00:43:05
I just, it's just funny.
00:43:07
It's funny either way.
00:43:09
Either they're so like convinced that it's happening to them that they're able to go up there and do stupid shit in front of a million people or it's actually happening.
00:43:18
It's funny either way.
00:43:21
Yeah.
00:43:23
I did, before we move on, just want to talk a little bit about Cabrini Green, because that's obviously a huge central theme of the original, which is not, well, in the, the
00:43:34
reboot, obviously it's not in the original story because it takes place in Liverpool, but they wanted to move it into that just because it made more sense if they were going to
00:43:44
relocate and film in the US.
00:43:47
That was a place that made sense, but...
00:43:49
They kind of talk about it in there, but it was basically a housing project.
00:43:54
And it kind of gained notoriety for having like a lot of violence and drugs and gangs and criminal activity and stuff like that, which like...
00:44:03
That's a whole conversation to have about poverty and how that pushes people towards crime.
00:44:07
And if we just gave people the resources they needed, we would have a lot less crime.
00:44:11
you know, that's a conversation for her.
00:44:16
me to have with everybody face to face.
00:44:19
Sure.
00:44:20
Each individual person.
00:44:22
Yes, everybody who listens to this DM me and we can have a conversation about poverty.
00:44:28
But one of the stipulations in order for Bernard Rose to shoot there was that he had to give some parts to people who lived there.
00:44:36
So some of the extras that you see are actual residents of the Cabrini Green housing area.
00:44:43
And I know they like went and visited that area.
00:44:47
They filmed some of the scenes in it.
00:44:49
I think the big bonfire was part, in a part of it that was actually
00:44:53
being gentrified.
00:44:55
Now it's like a shopping center, so you can't even find that area.
00:44:59
But yeah, very interesting to take like an actual piece of
00:45:04
history and kind of fit it around the story.
00:45:08
Sure.
00:45:09
and Rose talked a lot about.
00:45:11
how he chose that setting because people have this idea of it being a scary place because there's this activity that goes on and how he kind of wanted to humanize it a little bit
00:45:21
because he's like, it's not, it's just people living there.
00:45:25
some people are scared to drive through it and it's like, well, there's just people there.
00:45:29
And yeah, poverty has pushed them to do things that like maybe they wouldn't if they had the resources, but yeah.
00:45:37
like if only we use the resources of gentrification towards making those areas livable for those people.
00:45:46
You know what mean.
00:45:47
Yeah, if we spent the time and effort to actually support people and give them
00:45:53
systems and resources.
00:45:54
Because that, like, literally poverty is the number one source of crime.
00:45:59
People commit crimes because they don't have any other way to get what they need.
00:46:03
Mm-hmm.
00:46:05
So maybe let's focus on that.
00:46:08
You would think.
00:46:09
it would solve a lot of problems.
00:46:12
But we digress.
00:46:13
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:15
It's hard to talk about this movie and not, like, be political about it because there's...
00:46:20
Well, art is political, period, but this one has some overt themes, yeah.
00:46:25
Yeah.
00:46:26
Yeah.
00:46:27
And one of my, it's not a complaint about this movie, but.
00:46:33
it toes the line between is it obvious enough for the people that need to get it to get it.
00:46:42
Mm.
00:46:43
We had the same conversation about that one book that we read where it was super in your face about immigration and immigrants having jobs and people being unhappy with that.
00:46:57
It was so in your face.
00:46:59
But again, the people that need to hear that would understand it at that level.
00:47:03
So anyway, this one kind of toes the line.
00:47:05
I think he does a much better job than that book uh of with the people who need to
00:47:12
be hearing these things and seeing these things and thinking about these things, know that that's what this movie is about.
00:47:18
Yeah, I would say, I mean, I think a lot of the times the people who don't want to get it won't until they want to.
00:47:27
So, I don't know.
00:47:29
I don't think we can like stop making things just because people might not get it.
00:47:35
no, that, no, that was not my intention at all.
00:47:37
I know.
00:47:38
But yeah, it's just, yeah, you're right.
00:47:39
It's...
00:47:41
I don't know.
00:47:41
I struggle with it because I...
00:47:44
I like symbolism and I like subtlety and I like...
00:47:47
Mm-hmm.
00:47:49
when you have like multiple themes running through that are there, but maybe require, I don't know, I really like digging into a film.
00:47:58
And so when the themes are like really overt, it just feels heavy handed to me.
00:48:03
But I do understand why people sometimes lean towards that because they don't want anyone to be able to misinterpret it.
00:48:10
Yeah.
00:48:12
But yeah, I don't know.
00:48:14
Like 20 minutes ago you mentioned the bonfire, I'm just gonna springboard off that real quick.
00:48:18
Great.
00:48:19
Supposedly, it took 1 gallons of propane and the largest section of the bonfire in that that pivotal scene towards the end there was 70 feet wide and 30 feet high.
00:48:34
propane and propane accessories.
00:48:36
Mm-hmm Bobby
00:48:39
Yeah.
00:48:41
That's a big fire.
00:48:42
And you mentioned that it was on the Cabrini Green property.
00:48:46
It was just uh a bit down the way in a park that was already being sort of rebuilt.
00:48:52
Yeah.
00:48:54
See also, gentrified.
00:48:56
Well, do you have any other fun facts or should we hop into the reboot?
00:49:01
I have so many more fun facts about this film and like hardly any about the reboot.
00:49:06
I was ready to do an entire episode on the 92 version alone.
00:49:09
Oh great.
00:49:11
And then like a couple.
00:49:13
I guess we could talk about the 2021 version too.
00:49:16
Yeah, I mean we are now we're in, so...
00:49:19
It's been a while.
00:49:22
Well, let me, let me, let me.
00:49:26
Let me rapid fire.
00:49:28
Just some like cutesy ones.
00:49:30
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:49:31
We're not gonna have time to talk about every fun fact, but.
00:49:34
no.
00:49:35
ah The scene with the bathroom cabinet where Candyman's hook burst through was a surprise to Helen, the actress playing Helen, Virginia Maddison.
00:49:46
That's actual fear on her face.
00:49:48
Sandra Bullock would have been cast if Virginia Madsen had been unavailable.
00:49:53
She was unknown at this point, so that would have been her first sort of foray into film.
00:49:59
For the scene where Helen strips in front of the policewoman, Virginia Madsen suggested and got her friend Rusty Schwimmer to play the part to make her feel more comfortable.
00:50:08
So that's her best friend playing that role.
00:50:11
And then my favorite fun fact, because it is adjacent to Shrek,
00:50:15
is that Eddie Murphy was considered for the title role.
00:50:18
He was gonna play Candyman, but he was six inches shorter than Tony Todd.
00:50:23
So Tony Todd eked him out.
00:50:25
fun, fun, fun facts.
00:50:26
Yeah, thank you.
00:50:29
Okay, well, tell us about the 2021 version.
00:50:31
We'll talk about that one for a few minutes.
00:50:33
The 2021 version is directed by Nia da Costa with Jordan Peele as a producer.
00:50:40
It is a direct sequel to the original Little Summary.
00:50:44
For decades, the housing projects of Chicago's Cabrini Green were terrorized by a ghost story about a supernatural hook-handed killer.
00:50:51
In the present day, an artist begins to explore the macabre history of Candyman, not knowing it would unravel his sanity and unleash a terrifying wave of violence that puts
00:50:59
him on a collision course with destiny.
00:51:02
This version stars Yaya Abdul-Mateen II, Teyana Paris, Nathan Stewart Jarrett, and Coleman Domingo.
00:51:11
It had a $25 million budget, which is $5 million less than the original despite it being made 30 years later, but it did make over $77 million at the global box office and has
00:51:22
earned a three out of five on Letterbox, a 5.9 out of 10 on IMDB, and an 84 % critics and 72 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
00:51:32
threw a little shade in there, didn't you?
00:51:35
No, you threw shade in there because you wrote this and just gave it to me.
00:51:42
Yeah, why aren't they increasing the budget?
00:51:44
It's been 30 years and they had a smaller budget than the original and money is bigger.
00:51:51
Inflation.
00:51:53
You would think, yeah.
00:51:54
Yeah, anyway.
00:51:56
Also, I thought it was interesting that this one had better Rotten Tomatoes scores, but worse on everything else.
00:52:04
That's always interesting to see how the different...
00:52:05
That's why we say different platforms, because it's always weird.
00:52:10
Yeah, I mean, it's not a monolith.
00:52:12
There's gonna, you know, I don't know.
00:52:15
It is weird though that this has better Rotten Tomatoes quiz because I feel like Rotten Tomatoes is usually where like...
00:52:21
people are less forgiving than letterboxed.
00:52:27
Yeah, letterboxed probably more so, but Rotten Tomatoes is also pretty harsh.
00:52:34
IMDB, they're just having a great time.
00:52:36
Yeah.
00:52:37
Yeah, honestly, yeah.
00:52:39
Good for you, IMDb.
00:52:41
I have never seen anything higher than a 3.8 on Letterboxd.
00:52:46
I have.
00:52:47
I can't think of anything.
00:52:49
I'm always surprised it's in that like three, five.
00:52:52
What is centers?
00:52:54
Sinner's is a 4.1.
00:52:56
Okay, but still lower than you would expect.
00:53:00
4.1 is an 80%.
00:53:03
82%.
00:53:06
It's just a harsher platform.
00:53:09
for a 90 plus movie easily?
00:53:11
People are haters.
00:53:14
They love to hate.
00:53:15
Film, film bros.
00:53:16
It's the film bros and you are the only ones on that block.
00:53:20
I like letterboxed.
00:53:22
It gives me a place to organize my movies.
00:53:25
That's why we need more people to join.
00:53:29
So that it's evened out a little bit.
00:53:32
We need some...
00:53:34
non-critics.
00:53:36
Seriously.
00:53:37
Anyway, it was perfect timing that we watched this film because Colman Domingo was just revealed as the Cowardly Lion and Wicked for Good.
00:53:43
And I said, I want to watch more of his films leading up to it.
00:53:47
And here we are.
00:53:49
Here we are, Coleman Domingo, playing a villain.
00:53:54
Yeah, very opposite what I am imagining his character in Wicked for Good will be.
00:54:01
Yeah.
00:54:02
And he was really good in this too.
00:54:04
He was, yeah.
00:54:05
A couple things about his character.
00:54:07
One, they kind of talk about how nobody talks about Candyman anymore in that area.
00:54:14
And so that's kind of like a little hint to his nefariousness, I guess, because he is the only one that talks to Anthony about it.
00:54:25
He's also seen a reading Weave World, which is a Clive Barker novel.
00:54:29
that, not really a...
00:54:31
hint us to his character.
00:54:33
but just a little nod to Clive Barker, who wrote the original story.
00:54:39
And then also apparently there was a 19th century Scottish serial killer named William Burke.
00:54:46
So maybe another hint to his motives.
00:54:49
Yeah.
00:54:52
And to your point, lots of callbacks to the original two.
00:54:54
um For one, obviously, Cabrini Green is back.
00:54:59
The crying baby from the original film, they brought that sound back, which I recognized having watched them back to back.
00:55:07
That was fun.
00:55:08
I don't think I would have recognized it had I not watched them back to back, so that was fun.
00:55:12
And then this is my favorite fun fact about this one, Nia DaCosta, the
00:55:17
director and co-writer said that intentionally in the script they misspelled the word BBE as BEE as an inside joke.
00:55:28
That's cute.
00:55:32
also in the scene with Anne-Marie and Anthony talking about, you know, he's the baby from the original Candyman story.
00:55:39
there's a visible scar close to the shoulder on her left arm from where she is cut in the original film.
00:55:44
So they brought that over.
00:55:47
Super cute and great attention to detail.
00:55:49
Yeah, I like that a lot.
00:55:51
Also, Vanessa Estelle Williams who plays Anne-Marie.
00:55:55
didn't age at all.
00:55:58
Literally the exact same face in both movies, it's crazy.
00:56:01
Yeah, I thought for sure that they had just found someone that looked like her.
00:56:06
No, it's her.
00:56:07
It's just her, it's her.
00:56:10
she looks incredible.
00:56:11
And then you have Tony Todd's de-ageification, which looks fucking stupid.
00:56:20
It didn't look great.
00:56:21
I feel like anytime they use the like de-aging thing, it's really obvious and looks a little weird.
00:56:28
but I appreciate that they wanted to include his character.
00:56:31
Yeah, I think he should have been included, but I did not like that.
00:56:38
It didn't look great.
00:56:38
Yeah.
00:56:40
Yeah, for a film that's 30 years in the future, like all of the practical developments we've had, all of the technical CGI developments that we've had, this film was far worse
00:56:52
in terms of effects than the original, in my opinion.
00:56:56
Hmm.
00:56:57
I didn't think it was that bad.
00:56:59
I hated it.
00:57:01
In that regard, not the movie, but the the visual effects, the effects just felt cheesy and I don't know.
00:57:09
Well, it's because they have $5 million less.
00:57:11
Exactly.
00:57:13
I guess, yeah, I didn't feel that way.
00:57:14
That part I definitely agree with.
00:57:16
That part didn't look great, but...
00:57:21
He looked great till the day he died.
00:57:24
Yeah, they didn't really need to de-ageify him.
00:57:26
He looked...
00:57:27
No one would have cared.
00:57:29
Sure.
00:57:30
Yeah.
00:57:30
He, he, mean, to me,
00:57:32
It literally looked like they just CGI'd him in.
00:57:35
I don't know, I'm shitting on it.
00:57:36
just really didn't like it.
00:57:38
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:57:40
It's okay.
00:57:41
Virginia Madsen also has kind of a cameo.
00:57:45
There's a picture of her in the newspaper and then her voice is heard when Anthony listens to the tapes.
00:57:50
She was intended to have a larger role in the film originally, but that got shelved, so she didn't.
00:57:57
But still nice that they included her and Tony Todd.
00:58:02
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
00:58:04
One of my complaints about this film is that the baby, like using the baby as being the main character felt a little like too easy kind of.
00:58:17
So I feel like if they had also included her character, it would have been way too much.
00:58:23
Oh, okay.
00:58:24
a better balance having her not be a part of it.
00:58:29
So I feel like I like it because it's obvious.
00:58:32
Like of course 30 years later you're gonna talk about the kid.
00:58:36
Why wouldn't you miss, like not take that opportunity?
00:58:39
Sure.
00:58:40
Okay.
00:58:41
I'm a McCoy, so of course I want to know more about the McCoys.
00:58:44
Okay, yeah, fair.
00:58:46
I wonder if that was going to get brought up.
00:58:48
Yeah, of course.
00:58:50
two of my other favorite fun facts about the 2021 version.
00:58:53
And I didn't know this.
00:58:57
and I didn't recognize the other one.
00:58:59
Coleman Domingo and Tony Todd have both been villains in the Transformers movies.
00:59:05
That's super fun for me.
00:59:06
It's one of my top five favorite franchises, fun fact.
00:59:10
Domingo was Unicron and Todd was the Fallen, like the big bad.
00:59:18
So that's super fun.
00:59:20
And then when Clive is attacked by the Candyman, he says, must go faster, must go faster, which is an homage to Jurassic Park.
00:59:27
And he's even wearing the same outfit that Ian Malcolm is wearing in Jurassic Park.
00:59:31
I didn't even recognize it until after the fact.
00:59:33
I was like, oh my god.
00:59:35
So fun.
00:59:36
Another one of my top five every franchises.
00:59:38
That just goes to show how little, we talked about this before we started recording, but I was saying how like we don't really like the same movies outside of movies.
00:59:48
And sometimes we disagree on horror movies, but yeah, I deleted the Transformers fact immediately because I don't care at all.
00:59:55
I deleted the Jurassic Park one just because I knew you were going to talk about it.
00:59:58
So I didn't have to, but the Transformers one, thought I don't care.
01:00:02
And if Katie cares, she'll talk about it.
01:00:06
I mean, they both have just the best voices.
01:00:08
I could listen to either of them talk forever.
01:00:12
So for them to be like a big, bad, transforming robot.
01:00:16
Yeah.
01:00:18
It's just fun.
01:00:19
For sure.
01:00:21
My favorite fun fact is that prior to him becoming Candyman in this movie, Anthony McCoy's full name is said five times leading up to that moment, which I think is just a fun little
01:00:33
Easter egg that they chose to do that.
01:00:36
It's like in Community where like the third time they say Beetlejuice, you see him walk past in the background.
01:00:41
It's just fun when you do that type of stuff.
01:00:43
Also, we didn't say this, but in the original, apparently they were going to do
01:00:49
that you had to say his name 13 times.
01:00:51
And they were like, let's cut that down because that's excessive.
01:00:54
I think five is kind of excessive.
01:00:57
13, can you imagine this movie if they had to say it 13 times?
01:01:01
I'd fast forward.
01:01:03
I saved that fun fact for our would we survive segment.
01:01:07
Because if it was 13 times, I'm not saying it 13 times across my entire life, let alone in one segment.
01:01:14
Yeah.
01:01:15
Yeah.
01:01:16
Five is excessive.
01:01:18
13 is...
01:01:19
crazy.
01:01:20
Yeah.
01:01:22
Yeah.
01:01:22
It did feel like it dragged on.
01:01:24
By the fourth time, I was like, surely that was the fifth time you've said that.
01:01:28
No.
01:01:29
One more.
01:01:30
Well, any other fun facts about the 2021 version?
01:01:33
Yeah.
01:01:35
Do it.
01:01:35
Do it, lady.
01:01:37
Thank you.
01:01:38
Well, one, Lakeith Stanfield was originally considered for the role of Anthony McCoy, but he turned it down because he wanted to do Judas and the Black Messiah, which he got an
01:01:47
Oscar nomination for, so.
01:01:50
Not a bad choice.
01:01:51
Not a bad choice.
01:01:53
Would have loved to see him in this too, but you know, that's fine.
01:01:57
Ugh, I just think it's...
01:01:58
this one was perfectly cast.
01:02:01
yeah, yeah, not to say anything about the cast because they did, they killed it.
01:02:06
But I just, I'm like with Keith Stanfield a lot.
01:02:10
And then also I wanted to talk about the shadow puppets that they use in the film.
01:02:16
Because they kind of do that artistically to depict racial violence and um just kind of throughout the film as like a storytelling device.
01:02:27
But
01:02:28
Apparently, we don't know if it was inspired by, but it is very similar to the work of Kara Walker, who's an artist, and she does like silhouette cutouts depicting racism and
01:02:40
violence.
01:02:41
And I've seen it, she has like a whole section at the Broad in downtown Los Angeles, and it's really very stunning to see in person.
01:02:48
It's like just...
01:02:50
a room full of white walls with her cutouts all throughout it and it's very cool.
01:02:55
If you ever get a chance to see that in Los Angeles, I'd highly recommend going to see it.
01:03:01
I like the brode.
01:03:02
Yeah, that felt a little out of place until I knew that.
01:03:07
Then it felt very thoughtful.
01:03:08
Because I hadn't been informed.
01:03:13
And then once I read about it, it was very cool tie back to important and beautiful art.
01:03:19
So I love it.
01:03:19
know.
01:03:20
I like when they use something different than like a flashback to kind of like talk about certain things.
01:03:26
Yeah, so I don't mind it when they take those types of liberties and movies to do that.
01:03:32
But having seen her work, yeah, it was definitely very cool.
01:03:36
Mm-hmm.
01:03:38
Well...
01:03:39
Should we rate them?
01:03:40
Sure, let's do it.
01:03:42
Okay.
01:03:43
Let's start with the 1992 version.
01:03:45
We'll read it all the way through.
01:03:47
Okay.
01:03:48
How scary did you think it was?
01:03:51
I gave it a .5, but I think that's also because by the time I watched this movie it was kind of desensitized so it didn't really scare me.
01:03:59
But there are some good jumpies.
01:04:02
It comes through the mirror.
01:04:04
Yeah, what about you?
01:04:06
I gave it a 2 only for the jumpies.
01:04:09
Because otherwise it's the Phantom of the Opera and I'm into it.
01:04:13
Mm-hmm.
01:04:14
Speaking of, how sexy did you think it was?
01:04:17
Yeah, so.
01:04:18
The Candyman himself, a four out of five.
01:04:23
Again, for the Phantom of the Opera of it all.
01:04:26
However, there are some scenes in this film that are so disgustingly unsexy, I cannot rate the film as a whole higher than a 0.5.
01:04:39
Oh.
01:04:40
It doesn't get any bump at all for him?
01:04:43
I feel wrong calling the movie itself sexy when there are some of the scenes that there are in it.
01:04:51
Just doesn't feel right.
01:04:53
But he himself, the vibes of him, the 90s slasher vibes of it all.
01:04:59
which scenes are negative sexy to the point?
01:05:03
Uh, I mean, the castration of a child is one.
01:05:07
That's really the only one.
01:05:12
Okay, got it.
01:05:13
That was the one I was thinking of, but I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:18
not like that at all.
01:05:19
It was really hard to.
01:05:21
So anyway, just, it icht.
01:05:25
It yucked my yum.
01:05:27
Yeah.
01:05:28
which I think was the point.
01:05:30
Yeah.
01:05:31
And to be clear, the Candyman himself did not do that.
01:05:35
No.
01:05:36
It was the other guy.
01:05:38
The fake Candyman.
01:05:40
Yeah.
01:05:41
So what'd you give it?
01:05:44
I gave it a three out of five.
01:05:46
Tony Todd in this movie, Whoo!
01:05:50
It didn't negatively impact it the way that it did for you, for me, because I can't ignore Tony Todd.
01:05:57
He deserves points for sexy.
01:06:10
like the romance of it, not romance obviously, but like, you know, that vibe that they were going for definitely comes through for me.
01:06:07
how fucked up did you think it was?
01:06:08
Are you supposed to ask me?
01:06:10
No, you're supposed to ask me.
01:06:11
Got it.
01:06:11
How fucked up did you think it was?
01:06:13
I give it a two for that and just, you know, the class and the racism and...
01:06:21
that aspect of it.
01:06:23
What about you?
01:06:24
Yeah.
01:06:25
I gave it a three for the same reasons.
01:06:27
Yeah.
01:06:28
Yeah, that checks out.
01:06:30
Alright, overall, what did you think of the 1992 Candyman?
01:06:34
I oh
01:06:36
Loved it.
01:06:37
It's iconic for a reason.
01:06:38
It's so good, so well acted.
01:06:41
The practical effects had every right to be cheesy for a 1992 movie, but I did not think they were cheesy at all.
01:06:47
I think it really holds its own.
01:06:49
What a compelling villain.
01:06:51
An amazing take on sort of a classic final girl slash good for her trope, which maybe the good for her trope wasn't around at that point, but like just an interesting take on that.
01:07:02
I love the way that it ended.
01:07:04
I do wish the actual man of candy had been in it more than he was.
01:07:08
He doesn't show up until 44 minutes into the film.
01:07:10
ah And I think he could have been ah in it more.
01:07:15
I do think a couple things didn't age super well, but that is part of sort of the commentary of it all.
01:07:21
So overall, I gave it a 4.5.
01:07:23
I think this is my favorite slasher.
01:07:26
if I had to pick one.
01:07:27
So.
01:07:29
Yeah, this is very good.
01:07:31
Yeah, I also gave it a 4.5 if you couldn't tell by my cheesy smile.
01:07:35
I guess listeners can't see it, but I was smiling like, my smile looked like when, when SpongeBob finds out Squidward likes Krabby Patties.
01:07:43
that's, that was the vibe I was giving.
01:07:46
But yes, I also gave it a 4.5.
01:07:48
This is.
01:07:49
one of my favorite slashers, which is funny because I always consider myself a fan of slashers until I think about slashers and then I'm like, I don't actually like any of
01:07:59
them.
01:07:59
Because I'm not really a fan of the Halloween series.
01:08:02
I'm not really a fan of Friday the 13th.
01:08:04
They're fine, but, like this and scream, that's what I like.
01:08:11
And now I can't like scream anymore, so I like.
01:08:14
So Candyman's slowly taking over that top spot.
01:08:18
But yeah, I love this.
01:08:19
think Tony Todd is an unbelievable force in this movie and his voice is crazy.
01:08:25
And he said that this is his favorite role that he's ever done.
01:08:29
And I'm inclined to agree.
01:08:31
I think he just is absolutely fantastic in this.
01:08:35
Has he ever sung?
01:08:38
I would listen to that.
01:08:41
Yeah.
01:08:42
Yeah.
01:08:43
But yeah, love this movie.
01:08:45
Great film.
01:08:46
Yeah, I agree.
01:08:48
So good.
01:08:49
So compelling.
01:08:51
I'm glad you liked it.
01:08:52
Yeah, very good.
01:08:54
Thought provoking.
01:08:56
Yeah, there's a lot to like dig into.
01:08:58
Yeah, the bees.
01:09:01
I figured you would like the bees.
01:09:03
Yeah.
01:09:04
And like the fact that it was all real, like that's really a testament to practical filmmaking.
01:09:11
A lot of times practicality is really just like you against an inanimate object.
01:09:15
But in this practicality, it's you against not one, 200 living creatures and they made it work.
01:09:23
It's just very cool.
01:09:24
just, yeah.
01:09:25
Such a cool movie.
01:09:28
Super into it.
01:09:30
Yay!
01:09:32
Okay.
01:09:33
2021 version.
01:09:33
What?
01:09:34
time!
01:09:36
Reboot time.
01:09:39
yes.
01:09:39
OK, you go first.
01:09:42
How scary did you think it was?
01:09:43
I gave it a two out of five.
01:09:45
Same as the other one.
01:09:47
uh Mostly because the mirror stuff was really spooky.
01:09:55
There were some scenes where you couldn't tell that you were looking in a mirror and then you realize that you are and it was just kind of like, God.
01:10:00
So I gave it a two.
01:10:01
Yeah, you.
01:10:04
I give it a one.
01:10:07
I did give it a point because I do think there's like some moments of tension and some good jump scares and stuff.
01:10:12
It's a little, it's a little spooky.
01:10:13
Yeah, the jumpscare didn't get me in this one.
01:10:15
The original?
01:10:16
Absolutely.
01:10:16
Yeah, that's fair.
01:10:19
How sexy do you think it was?
01:10:21
I give it a two out of five, just for the cast.
01:10:24
Oh.
01:10:26
Interesting.
01:10:27
What did you give it?
01:10:28
I gave it a 2.5.
01:10:30
Okay, that's not that far off.
01:10:32
Why were you so shocked?
01:10:33
I just thought it would be higher.
01:10:35
don't know.
01:10:36
Oh no, I think like...
01:10:39
him being infected by the bee, that took it down for me.
01:10:43
Sure.
01:10:44
Yeah.
01:10:45
of it all, you know?
01:10:46
It was just not...
01:10:48
Yeah.
01:10:50
yeah, sure.
01:10:50
I mean, yeah, once you get to the like, what is it?
01:10:52
Trypophobia or whatever.
01:10:54
Trypophobia.
01:10:55
That doesn't sound right.
01:10:56
There's more syllables in it than that, right?
01:10:58
Great, you can look it up, because I looked it up last time you told me that was wrong and that's what it is, but...
01:11:03
I'm sorry.
01:11:05
okay.
01:11:05
It's not your fault.
01:11:06
ah Yeah, no, that, I mean, that was only one scene.
01:11:11
No, his hand gets infected.
01:11:13
He's like picking at it at dinner and then it just starts spreading and it's like, huh, huh.
01:11:20
Yeah, no, this had fewer of the scenes I wanted to be out of the original movie.
01:11:25
And there just wasn't enough Tony Todd also.
01:11:29
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, a big factor of the sex of the first movie is Tony Todd.
01:11:36
And, like, the kind of romantic subplot of it all, where this one doesn't really have that.
01:11:42
So, it's gotta be lower, I'm sorry.
01:11:44
Yeah, thank you.
01:11:48
How fucked up did you think it was?
01:11:51
I gave it a two just for like all the little stuff and the like, you know, the picking at yourself at dinner and yeah, just all compounded into a two.
01:12:04
You?
01:12:05
I also gave it a two.
01:12:07
I don't like the holes in him.
01:12:10
I don't like him picking at his hand at dinner.
01:12:12
I don't like any of that.
01:12:15
Yeah.
01:12:16
Okay, overall, what did you give it?
01:12:18
overall.
01:12:20
I like this reboot sequel.
01:12:23
I guess I could just call it a sequel, but I feel like it was an attempt to kind of reboot the series a little bit.
01:12:29
But I like it.
01:12:29
I don't have a problem with them using Anthony as the main character.
01:12:33
I think that it worked really well.
01:12:35
I think watching, getting to watch him like transform into Candyman was a really cool approach that they took.
01:12:44
And the special effects didn't bother me as much as they bothered you, I think.
01:12:49
I didn't like the de-aging.
01:12:51
I think that they could have done without that and it would have been just fine.
01:12:55
But overall, I think that this is a solid sequel.
01:12:58
I don't like it as much as the original, but I still gave it a 3.5.
01:13:02
Correct.
01:13:05
I also gave it a 3.5.
01:13:07
I thought for sure you were gonna give it like a three.
01:13:10
No, no, I still very much liked it.
01:13:13
my gosh, look at us go!
01:13:15
Not as perfectly aligned on the Candyman for insurance so far.
01:13:18
Perfectly.
01:13:19
I want to watch the other one so bad.
01:13:22
I mean, Tony's in them and he's in them more than he is in this.
01:13:26
God.
01:13:27
um No, think, I mean, statistically this one is weaker than the original.
01:13:32
So it had to be less than 4.5 obviously.
01:13:35
So that's at a four.
01:13:36
And then I deducted it at another half point for the digital effects of it all.
01:13:41
I just, it really bothered me how
01:13:44
Much they leaned into digital when practical is what made the other one so like wildly compelling for me.
01:13:52
Like they were doing the same thing with Candyman where he was like floating and it just looks significantly more cheesy despite having 30 years of technological advancement.
01:13:59
ah I loved the camera angles in the mirrors.
01:14:02
That was all fun and super creepy.
01:14:04
I mentioned already the call back to the baby was like not perfect in my eyes, but.
01:14:10
I think a good fine line between, you know, rebooting and calling back to the originals.
01:14:18
ah But yeah, overall an original or original, an enjoyable watch and I gave it a 3.5.
01:14:26
Nice!
01:14:26
Look at us go!
01:14:28
Yeah.
01:14:29
So good.
01:14:29
So good.
01:14:30
So good.
01:14:30
So good.
01:14:30
I don't think I've ever been like as excited to watch the rest of a series as I am with this one.
01:14:37
Nice.
01:14:38
Yeah, I'm glad you really liked it.
01:14:40
I love Candyman.
01:14:41
version of like.
01:14:43
I know I keep saying it, but it's it's like Phantom of the Opera, but like kind of better, like more adult, less musical, musical.
01:14:54
Yeah, if you don't like musicals but you've always wanted to give Phantom of the Opera a try, boy do we have a movie for you.
01:15:01
Yeah.
01:15:02
the same like feral vibe.
01:15:06
It's just ugh.
01:15:08
Good, I'm glad you liked them!
01:15:09
Thank you.
01:15:10
It's been a while since we've had a villain that I liked in a movie that I liked.
01:15:15
K-Mints.
01:15:16
Top five villains.
01:15:18
Love.
01:15:20
Alright, would you survive?
01:15:21
I think it's kind of a cop-out answer, but I'm superstitious and anxious enough to not say the words.
01:15:27
Like, I'm not gonna, I'm not, if somebody is like, oh yeah, if you say this five times, somebody will come kill you.
01:15:31
I'm just like not gonna do it.
01:15:34
Yeah, and then of course, if it was 13 times, I'd get bored by the sixth.
01:15:40
Yeah, that's fair.
01:15:42
It's not though, it's five, so.
01:15:43
yeah, yeah.
01:15:45
But at some point at some point in the script, it was supposed to be 13.
01:15:49
That's crazy.
01:15:51
You.
01:15:52
I'm saying it.
01:15:53
I know myself well enough.
01:15:55
I've said Bloody Mary more times than I can tell you.
01:15:59
ah So yeah, I know for a fact if I was a teen and they were like, say Candyman five times, I'm saying it almost immediately.
01:16:09
I'm the girls in the bathroom, but I'm not a bully.
01:16:11
But you you get what I mean.
01:16:13
Yeah, I'm probably saying it.
01:16:16
Does the girl in the stall live?
01:16:18
Yeah.
01:16:19
good.
01:16:20
She was just minding her business.
01:16:22
That'd be you.
01:16:23
yeah.
01:16:24
Yeah, honestly, just listen to my music alone in the bathroom.
01:16:26
That's absolutely me.
01:16:28
You'd be peeing and I'd be like, Katie!
01:16:32
She was dead.
01:16:34
Oh, fuck.
01:16:36
Yeah, I knew that about you.
01:16:37
I knew that that was going to be your answer because you it's not a joke.
01:16:42
Identity theft is not a joke, Dwight.
01:16:45
Not Dwight.
01:16:46
Jim.
01:16:48
Don't.
01:16:48
That's not a mirror.
01:16:49
So you're safe.
01:16:50
Candyman.
01:16:51
You don't have a mirror on your desk.
01:16:53
Get him in!
01:16:55
should I just not do it for the fit?
01:16:57
No, Katie-Man.
01:17:01
I know, that's true.
01:17:02
I'll do it right after this podcast episode.
01:17:04
If I'm not back for next week, you know why.
01:17:09
fuck.
01:17:10
Alright, well typically we have you predict next week's movie, but I don't think you have to because you've already seen the TV show.
01:17:16
We're doing...
01:17:19
Yeah, this is actually gonna be kind of fun because I've seen the movie but I haven't seen the TV show and you've seen the TV show but you haven't seen the movie.
01:17:25
Should I binge the TV show?
01:17:27
How many seasons is it?
01:17:29
don't care.
01:17:30
Maybe I can get season one in.
01:17:31
Yeah.
01:17:32
Just like put it in the background.
01:17:33
You don't need to like really hone in.
01:17:37
Anyways, for the people listening who have no idea what we're talking about, we are talking about what we do in the shadows, which will be our movie next week.
01:17:44
Yep.
01:17:45
Hooray, I'm excited.
01:17:47
That's a real vampire movie.
01:17:51
Actually.
01:17:52
Yeah.
01:17:53
None of this fan of the opera bullshit.
01:17:57
Yeah.
01:17:58
All right, cool.
01:17:59
Well, I am glad that you like Candyman and that it has been thrust into the ethers of your slasher faves, mine too.
01:18:07
And we've been talking so much that I'm gonna wrap it up quickly.
01:18:14
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01:18:16
comment what you got on the rotten time.
01:18:18
I'm interested in what everybody's scores are.
01:18:20
Yeah, comment your scores, comment your favorite Tony Todd movie, and we'll see you next week.
01:18:29
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01:18:30
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