126. Eden Lake | Horror Movie Releases July 2025

Kd (00:25) Hello. Cassidy (00:27) Hello. Kd (00:29) Happy Tuesday. Cassidy (00:32) Happy Tuesday. Kd (00:33) Thank you. was going to say happy July, but it's not. Cassidy (00:35) It is not July. Not yet. Yet. We're very close. Kd (00:37) Yet. Yeah, not yet. Cassidy (00:40) and we're going to tell you about the new horror movies that are coming out in July. Kd (00:45) Yeah, should we start there? Cassidy (00:47) Yeah, let's start there. Then we have a couple of newses and then we'll get into it. Kd (00:51) We're talking about Eden Lake, by the way. We should say that. And we are the Killer Cuties podcast also. Cassidy (00:54) yeah, yeah. That is who we are and that is what we're doing here today. If you, maybe Spotify was like, hey, listen to this and you just said sure and you took a leap of faith, that's what's going on here. Kd (01:01) Yes. Yeah. Okay, that's out of the way. I'm going to give you the first half of July 2025 new horror movies. Cassidy (01:11) Great. Sex. Kd (01:19) Starting with July 10th, have Skillhouse. 10 top influencers are kidnapped and forced into a deadly social media showdown where every like, share, and follow is a fight for survival. The world watches and wagers as the least popular contestant is executed by a masked killer. In this brutal game of clout, only one will survive while the audience turns their deaths into profit. Cassidy (01:39) Nice. Kd (01:40) Yeah, I mean it kind of sounds like Squid Game meets TikTok. Cassidy (01:44) Yeah, I was thinking, did you ever see that movie Nerve? ⁓ it stars Dave Franco and what's her name? Emma Roberts, you hate her. They basically, it's like an app and you have to record yourself doing dares and you can make money off of it, but the dares get like progressively more intense, right? Until it's like, like shoot someone, you know? So that's kind of what it reminded me of. Kd (01:57) I do hate her. ⁓ my god, that's kind of fun. I mean in concept not in execution, but Cassidy (02:12) Yeah. Yeah, I remember not like hating the movie. I don't think it was like great. But it was a fun background film, you know. Kd (02:21) Okay. Yeah, it also sounds like an episode of Black Mirror. Cassidy (02:26) There is a Black Mirror episode that's similar. There's also a horror movie that's kind of similar, but I won't tell you which one in case we ever watch it. Yeah. Kd (02:32) good. OK. Even though I'm going to forget in like literally two minutes. Cassidy (02:35) That's true, it's called 13 Sins. Yeah. Yeah, just write that down, write that down. Kd (02:38) Okay, thank you. I just file that one away. Yeah, post it out. Put a post out on my screen. The very next day, July 11th, Abraham's boys, a Dracula story, Cassidy (02:47) Mm-hmm. Kd (02:55) Max and Rudy Van Helsing have spent their lives under the strict and overprotective rule of their father Abraham. Unaware of his dark past, they struggle to understand his paranoia and increasingly erratic behavior. But when they begin to uncover the violent truths behind their father's history with Dracula, their world unravels, forcing them to confront a terrifying legacy they were never meant to inherit. Cassidy (03:15) Damn. Kd (03:16) Like every other month there's a Dracula story. Cassidy (03:19) Yeah, people love Dracula. Kd (03:21) I mean, I get it, but Nosferatu is enough. That was so good. Cassidy (03:27) No, you have to capitalize off the vampires while it's time. Yeah. Kd (03:31) I guess. The following week, July 18th, we've got two, I Know What You Did Last Summer, the remake. When five friends inadvertently cause a deadly car accident, they cover up their involvement and make a pact to keep it a secret rather than face the consequences. A year later, their past comes back to haunt them and they're forced to confront a horrifying truth. Someone knows what they did and is hell bent on revenge. They discover this has happened before and they turn to two survivors at the legendary Southport Massacre for help. Cassidy (04:00) Yeah, just to clarify, not a remake, it's a reboot. Yeah, yeah, because it's already confirmed. Jennifer Love Hewitt and... ⁓ Kd (04:03) Sorry, yes, you're so right. The blonde guy. Freddie Prinze Jr. Cassidy (04:12) He's not blonde. He's only blonde in Scooby-Doo. Kd (04:18) That's the only movie that matters. Cassidy (04:21) We've seen the original where he is not blonde. But yes, Buffy's husband is gonna be in it. Kd (04:24) Yeah, you're right. Wow. Last one for me, also on the 18th, the Banished after her brother mysteriously goes missing, Grace ventures into the dangerous wilderness to find him. As she uncovers the horrific truth of his disappearance, she is faced with a darkness which threatens to claim her as well. Cassidy (04:45) Oh, no. Kd (04:47) That sounds kind of organ- not organic. It sounds kind of- I don't know. Haha. Cassidy (04:51) Yeah. That just sounds like, yeah, that's a horror movie. Yeah. Kd (04:55) Exactly. That's what I'm trying to say. But what's the word for that? Just, you know, I guess I truly don't know what word I was going for. Cassidy (04:59) Basic? Yeah. Yeah, it didn't look like you had any other thoughts after you ended that sentence, so... All right, I'm doing the last half. Starting on July 25th, we have four movies coming out that day. Yep. First up, have Osiris, a team of special forces commandos wake up on an alien spacecraft with no memory of how they arrived. They horrifically discover that they are being hunted by a merciless alien race. Sounds right up your alley. And also, Kd (05:35) My god, it's reverse the 100. Cassidy (05:39) I was going to say it's just, Pandorum wake up from cryo sleep being hunted. Although those didn't turn out. nope. Spoiler for that. Not aliens. okay. Kd (05:41) Yeah, you're so right. Cassidy (05:50) Okay, next up, also on the 25th, Bambi the Reckoning. After a mother and son get in a car wreck, they soon become hunted by Bambi, a mutated, grief-stricken deer on a deadly rampage. Please stop laughing. Kd (05:59) Hahaha. Cassidy (06:05) seeking revenge for the death of his mother. It's a very serious film, obviously capitalizing off of all of those IPs that have now been up for public domain. Next we have House on Eden. A team of paranormal investigators expect the usual scares when they set out on their latest case. But after being mysteriously rerouted to an abandoned house deep in the woods, they find themselves facing a force unlike anything they've encountered before. Kd (06:08) Haha. Yeah. Cassidy (06:34) As the night spirals into chaos, eerie phenomena hit at an ancient malevolent presence watching their every move. And that one I think stars TikTokers. It's the call me Kris girl and then the Celina, spooky boo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pretty sure that they're in that. So if you're fans of them. Kd (06:49) Spooky boo. I like Celina. Cassidy (06:57) Sure. I don't think I'm familiar enough with either of them to know. Yeah, that always felt, I don't know. I don't want to like put this out there because I don't know, but it always felt like so staged to me that it never felt that funny. But to each their own. That's why TikTok's a wonderful place. Yeah, ⁓ obviously people think it's very funny. It just wasn't ever for me, but go for it. Kd (07:02) Selena is the one that does the sleepwalking. Okay, fair. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. Cassidy (07:28) And then finally on the 25th, we have The Home. This is the one that's starring Pete Davidson. We talked about it a few episodes back, but just as a refresher, a rebellious 20-something is sentenced to community service at a quiet retirement home. The residents on the fourth floor are strictly off limits, said to require special care. As his suspicions grow and he digs deeper, he uncovers a chilling secret that puts both the residents lives and his own in grave danger. Kd (07:52) and it's not funny. Cassidy (07:52) Pete Davidson. It doesn't appear to be. The trailer did not speak to a comedy. So, yeah. Kd (08:02) crazy. Cassidy (08:04) Then on the 27th, we have Ick. This is actually a foreign film that came out last year, but it's getting its US theatrical release this year. Hank is a high school science teacher who still pines for his childhood sweetheart. While discovering he may have a teenage daughter, Hank must grapple with a terrifying alien anomaly invading their small town. Kd (08:25) The first three quarters of that sounded like a completely different movie. Cassidy (08:29) Yeah, it's definitely two stories merging. But yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Kd (08:33) Yeah. Cassidy (08:37) Finally, on the 30th, we are getting Together. This is the one that's starring Dave Franco and Alison Brie. Kd (08:44) I finally saw the trailer for that. I don't like them touching eyeballs. Cassidy (08:46) It looks good, right? Yeah. I'm excited. Anyways, years into their relationship, Tim and Millie find themselves at a crossroad as they move to the country, abandoning all that is familiar in their lives except each other. With tensions already flaring, a nightmarish encounter with a mysterious, unnatural force threatens to corrupt their lives, their love, and their flesh. Kd (09:12) Mm-hmm. Cassidy (09:14) I'm excited for this one. It's gotten good early reviews, so... Kd (09:15) Yeah, me too. And I haven't I haven't heard anything more about them being sued by that one guy either for. Plagiarizing the story. Cassidy (09:18) We shall see. Yeah. Kd (09:27) allegedly. Cassidy (09:28) Allegedly, yeah. I mean, I'm sure we wouldn't until it's either settled or goes to court, but. It didn't seem to stain the reputation of the film too much. Kd (09:39) Well. Should I do some news? Cassidy (09:42) Yeah, hit us with some newses. Kd (09:44) And tell us which of the July movies you're looking forward to in the comments. Yeah. Okay, now news. Okay, so last week we celebrated Jaws's 50th anniversary. That was on June 20th. Cassidy (09:48) Yes, please. Now news. Kd (09:58) Well, Hollywood Reporter has put out a really great, pretty comprehensive list of all the various Jaws 50th anniversary merchandise that has come out since then. And there are some really, really good ones. I just wanted to give a little high level recap. So of course, there's a new retro Funko pop figure. It's number one, seven, five, four. It's called Great White Shark. Actually. Cassidy (10:13) Mm. Nice. Kd (10:22) Build-a-Bear Workshop has Jaws t-shirts for your Build-a-Bears. Very cute. The Loungefly backpack is super cool. It features the orca, the shark, and the barrels in front of an ocean sunset. There's a really sick pool float. It's $100. I know for a fucking pool float, crazy. But it is pretty cool. It's basically the iconic shark from the original movie poster. Cassidy (10:26) Cute. Nice. no, that's too much. For $100? No. Buy a pizza float and paint it. You don't need that. Yeah, it's just a triangle. Kd (10:50) It's $100. Yeah, $99.99 on Amazon. Honestly, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's all it is. And then my absolute favorite, you know the brand Little People? The children's toy brand. It's a children's, they're kind of like Duplo, kind of like Lego, but like big people, you know, they're little people. Cassidy (11:08) No. I don't know that, but I believe you. Kd (11:19) Okay, it's a children's brand, Little People. They have a special edition set of three characters. It's Brody, Hooper, and Quint on the box. Quint is falling into the mouth of a smiling shark. This is a children's toy. Yeah, it's great. It's being marketed more for adults, sort of as like a collector's item, but it's still very much like children's packaging, children's toy. Yeah, it's so funny. Cassidy (11:34) That's sick. Mmm. Yeah, but more like those Barbie doll, like the special event Barbies that you weren't allowed to take out of the box. Yeah, like that. Kd (11:50) Yeah, yeah, probably like that. Yeah. When I first saw it, I thought it was a joke because of him literally being eaten on the box. He's being eaten. But it's real. Yeah, it's fun. Cassidy (11:59) Yeah, that's funny. I like that. Shout out to my mom, she always let me play with those special event Barbies by the way. Yeah, I didn't have to keep mine in the box. Kd (12:08) Wow. I wasn't allowed to have Barbies. Cassidy (12:13) Why? ⁓ Kd (12:15) I don't know. I think it was the beauty standard thing. I was allowed to have American Girl dolls. Cassidy (12:18) ⁓ okay. Only, you could only have dolls that contributed to society. No, Barbie contributes to, she contributes so much to society. Kd (12:25) I guess so. Well, Barbie contributes to society. Well, but I think also that's kind of newer. I think they re-branded her as a contributor to society from... maybe not, I don't know. But either way, Cassidy (12:39) No, I mean that was before our time though that she was rebranded to that. Barbie had tons of careers in the 90s and in the 80s. Kd (12:43) That's true, that is true. That yeah, that is true. But I think it was more about the books. I had to read the books and then I could get the doll or like dress her up or whatever. Yeah. Cassidy (12:53) Mmm. Got it. Shout out to my mom for letting me have Barbies. Kd (13:00) I guess so. Anyway, that's the Jaws news and somehow we're talking about Barbies and American girls. Me neither. And then quickly, two movies that we have to look forward to other than all the ones that we literally just talked about. First, we have Sketch. Have you heard about this one? It's so cute. It just got its first trailer. It's a family movie. It's a monster comedy. Cassidy (13:07) Yeah, I don't know how that happened, but whatever. Mm-hmm. No. Kd (13:27) about the monsters a group of kids draw coming to life. Cassidy (13:27) Okay. ⁓ didn't they just make that movie with Ryan Reynolds? Kd (13:34) That movie is called If and it was absolutely ass. And also I don't think it was Ryan Reynolds. It was John Krasinski. Was Ryan Reynolds in it? Steve Carell does the voice of If. Cassidy (13:37) okay. I didn't see it. You'll get there. I thought he did the voice of the... Kd (13:54) But maybe Ryan Reynolds is the dad? Cassidy (13:57) That's crazy. He is front and center on the poster. Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, he's in it. John Krasinski is also in it. He plays Marshmellow. Okay, he also plays Marshmellow. Kd (13:58) What? Who? Ryan Reynolds? okay. I forgot. know John. He's the director. He's the director. Cassidy (14:14) I didn't see it, so I don't know who that is. and Brad Pitt. Boo, tomatoes, tomatoes, tomatoes. Kd (14:16) I didn't either. Yeah, Brad Pura... What? Never mind. Yeah, anyway. Okay, so that movie's been described as Jurassic Park piece inside out. Cassidy (14:23) His name's not important. Okay, cute. Kd (14:32) Yeah, it's so fun. So, so cute. So fun. ⁓ So yeah, go watch the trailer for that. And then we finally have a US theatrical release date for Return to Silent Hill. It's coming January 23rd of next year. Yep. Cassidy (14:43) Mmm. Nice. Exciting stuff? Kd (14:48) Yep, that's what you missed in horror news. Cassidy (14:51) Love it. Alright, should we hop into Eden Lake? Okay. Kd (14:55) Let's do it. Cassidy (14:57) Today, once again, we're talking about the 2008 British horror thriller, Eden Lake. Little Summary, a young couple on a romantic weekend break at a remote lake house are terrorized by a group of vicious delinquents. That's from Google. It was written and directed by James Watkins. It stars Kelly Reilly, Michael Fassbender, and Jack O'Connell. It had a budget of two million and it made about four million at the box office in the UK. I don't think it got a worldwide release. It currently has a 6.7 out of 10 on IMDb, a 65 % audience and 78 % critic score on Rotten Tomatoes. Kd (15:36) I know exactly why you would like this movie or at very least I know something that you do like about it. Cassidy (15:42) What's that? Kd (15:43) James Cook is in it. Cassidy (15:45) First of all, what do you know about James Cook? Yeah, that's what I thought, that's what I thought. Kd (15:48) Not a damn thing, but yeah. Jack O'Connell is in Skins and he's in Sinners and he's in 28 Years Later. So he's basically your wet dream. Cassidy (16:01) That he is, that he is. Yeah, it's, I maybe put this one in the ringer, because again, you chose this, I did not. Was I happy you chose it? Yes, because it's relevant, because anybody who saw Sinners was like, who is that guy? It's Jack O'Connell, he's been in the game for a long time. And I know, I'm pretty sure he's older than me, but watching his career, Kd (16:03) Yeah. Cassidy (16:27) blow up right now. I'm like a proud parent because I've been watching this kid since I was 16 years old when he was on Skins. So very proud of him. So yeah, if you were wondering who Remy is in Sinners, it's Jack O'Connell and he plays Brett in Eden Lake. Kd (16:30) Yeah. Mm-hmm. The main kid. Cassidy (16:47) Yeah, yeah, the bad one, the worst one. He plays the villain well. Kd (16:53) Is James Cook villain? Cassidy (16:55) Not to me. Kd (16:56) Okay. I know that he is in 18 episodes of Skins from like 2010 to 2011 and in 2013. So I know he goes away for a minute and then comes back. Cassidy (17:08) Yeah, they each, every two seasons is a new generation on Skins. So seasons one and two are about the first group of kids. Seasons two and three, which he is a part of, is the second group of kids. Three, or five and six is the last group of kids. And then season seven came back and it touched back on three previous characters. So he was one of them that they brought back and basically said, like a where are they now type of episode. Kd (17:29) Got it. Wow, so fun. Cassidy (17:35) Yeah, but no, he's not a villain in Skins. I think what makes Skins such a great show, if I can give a chance to brag about it and talk about it, the characters are all just very well written and very realistic. So they have a lot of good sides and they have a lot of bad sides and that's just kind of what you get. So there's probably a lot of people who hated Cook and a lot of people who loved him. Kd (17:57) Okay. Cassidy (17:59) To be clear, I love Cook. Kd (18:02) I can tell. Cassidy (18:03) Cook forever. Sorry, Freddie. The ones who need to know know, kd. You're gonna be a Freddie fan and I'm gonna hate it about you. Yeah, cause yes. I already wrote it down. Years ago, I have a little note. kd's favorite Skins character's prediction. Kd (18:06) It's like a foreign language. ⁓ no, why? Are you sure? Okay, I'm just gonna lie. I'm gonna lie to you about who I like best. Cassidy (18:25) Cook is not on there. You'll forget by then. Yeah. Kd (18:31) Yeah, that's Anyway back to Eden Lake which I suppose Jack O'Connell is in it. So it was relevant. I had to get it out of the way. Yeah. This movie came out in 2008 Yes, so between 2007 and 2010 in Great Britain there was this sort of just for some like historical context there was this sort of ideology called broken Britain, which was coined by one of the political parties there and it referred to this sort of broken society of Cassidy (18:38) It is. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Kd (19:01) absentee fathers, crime without punishment, rights without responsibilities, kind of like the Purge 24-7 is how they were presenting Britain to get people to vote with them so that they could fix it. ⁓ Cassidy (19:13) Yeah, to be clear it was the conservative party that was pushing this agenda. Kd (19:18) But I don't know if that means the same thing there as it does here, does it? OK, well, if it does mean the same thing, then we hate them. Anyway, this movie is largely and I think sort of correctly, bucketed into a group of broken Britain inspired films or they also call them hoodie films because like the kids that were running amok wore hoodies anyway. However. The director said that the idea for this film came about three years before the movie's release, so 2005. Two years before the phrase was even coined and there was any panic about Britain's societal structure. And the director also said that he had no intention on the movie having a political commentary and just wanted to do the film because he liked the story, the story interested him. Yeah. Cassidy (20:08) Yeah, he did touch on it after in an interview, because the movie did get a lot of criticisms in that category of pushing this narrative that poor people are dangerous, even though it's like we're not giving them the societal structure needed to not turn to crime. Like that's a huge issue is crime is very easy to fall into when you don't have social systems in place to protect you. Kd (20:20) Yeah. Cassidy (20:35) But basically said in an interview that... He understands the criticism of it, but he also thinks that if it's a fear, then it should be free to tackle in a horror movie. So he basically said, it's fair game to explore fears that people have in horror, regardless of if that fear is valid or not. He also cited Jaws as an example, which I thought was funny and relevant because he said that's not a valid fear. You're not going to go in the ocean and get bitten by a shark. Like 90 % more than 90 % of people are going to go in the ocean and be just fine. Right. So not a super valid fear, but it's a very widespread fear. Jaws capitalized on that. So. I don't know if I like, I don't know where I fall on that. Because I feel like if you're pushing a narrative, there is some consequence to that, and we should be aware of that. Kd (21:29) Yeah. Cassidy (21:30) But I also did not, the first time I watched this, had no idea that that was a thing. Obviously I was a teenager, but I was just like, ⁓ scary teen boys. Same, I'm also scared of teen boys. But now that I'm older and I can see it, I'm like, I understand where that lens is coming from. It's very clear that there's a class differential between the couple and the kids. Kd (21:38) and not in Britain. Yeah. Yeah, I just I don't think that any horror movie writer, director, creative is out there to create panic. I don't think that that's ever the intention. I mean, maybe I mean, that's not the first thing I think of is like, now I got to be worried about this. You know what I mean? Cassidy (22:14) Yeah, I think that's fair. I don't I don't think it's ever the intent for the most part. I would hope it's not the intention to try to Stir up a political agenda against a certain group of people just by making a horror movie. I think his intentions were like, people have this fear. Let's write about it. It's not you know - It's like writing a movie about a killer clown people are scared of clowns. Let's write on it Are you gonna worry about the effects on clowns afterwards? Probably not Kd (22:25) Yeah. Yeah. Cassidy (22:45) But do I think all art is political and there is some consequence to it? Yes. But I also feel like that's why discussions on films and that conversation is important. Kd (22:59) You mentioned Jaws as an example. Well, James Watkins took influence from a lot of 70s horror films. Was Jaws was 70s? Yeah, 70s. Yeah, 50s. Yeah. Good. Good segue. Wow. Good job. Wicker Man, which we haven't watched yet. Deliverance, which I know how to play the theme for on the banjo. I haven't watched yet. I'll play it for you. I think I can play it on most string instruments. Not to brag, but. Cassidy (23:03) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm. I would like to hear it. Thank you. Mm-hmm. Kd (23:27) Last house on the left. I think we've talked about it, but we haven't talked about it. We haven't watched it. Cassidy (23:32) Yeah, we haven't done an episode on it. I don't know. I'll leave it up to you if we do. It's not really a movie I want to rewatch, but if you want to go into it, we can. It's Craven. Kd (23:38) Okay. Okay, maybe. ⁓ And Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Cassidy (23:53) Okay. Kd (23:54) So this was Watkins' directorial debut. What else? He'd previously only written movies. What else has he directed? We've watched some of his stuff. Cassidy (24:02) We have watched Speak No Evil. He did the remake. Yes, so we have watched and talked about one of his films. Kd (24:06) Yes, yes. Cassidy (24:10) I don't like that one. But that's because, you know, I like the original. But yes, before this, he had only ever written two other films. They were both directed by other people. So this was his directorial debut. He did My Little Eye, which I have seen, and Gone, which I have not seen. Gone is the 2007 one, by the way. There's like 80 million movies called Gone. My Little Eye, I remember liking, but I also remember I only Kd (24:12) He was fine. Yeah. Cassidy (24:38) watched it or had heard of it because I was obsessed Kris Lemche and so I was just watching his entire filmography because I think he's really hot. Still do. Kd (24:49) as people do. Cassidy (24:50) as people do. Yeah, but he did say, since this is his first time directing something he's written, that he really enjoyed the fact that he had kind of full control over everything that was happening. Because he said in his previous two films, he had some frustrations and it wasn't anything bad to the director. He said that just kind of comes with the job. But obviously, the director and the writer are probably never going to have the exact same vision for a project, so you're always gonna find things where you're like, I didn't really mean for it to go that way and they're taking it that way and so now it's kind of not what you wanted. So he said that was nice on this one, just having full control over how it was portrayed, but he also said it was kind of more pressure because then there's no one else to blame if it doesn't go well. Kd (25:41) True, true. Much of this film was shot at a place called Frenchham Common, which is an SSSI. It's basically like a British national park, essentially. Lots of other movies were filmed there. The original Hound of the Baskervilles, Snow White and the Huntsman. Yeah, The Witcher and The Witcher Blood Origin and wait for it, the lakes were used as the Nile River. Cassidy (26:02) ⁓ Kd (26:11) in the 1999 cult classic, The Mummy. Cassidy (26:14) Wow, what a great film. Kd (26:15) Yeah. Cassidy (26:18) Now I wanna rewatch The Mummy. Kd (26:21) As you should. That's a horror movie. Cassidy (26:22) Yeah. No. Kd (26:26) It's about a mummy. It's like an icon of horror. Cassidy (26:30) So is Under Wraps. Kd (26:33) Horror movie, we did an episode on it. Cassidy (26:35) No, we didn't. Chasing Childhood did. We were just on their podcast. Kd (26:41) Yeah, you're right. Cassidy (26:42) Did you think that we did an episode on the Disney Channel Original Movie Under Wraps? Kd (26:46) We did, they were on our podcast. Cassidy (26:52) Yeah, not talking about Under Wraps, babe. Kd (26:55) We talked about Scream and we talked about Under Wraps. Cassidy (26:58) No, we talked about Scream and we talked about Krampus. Steph did Krampus. Kd (27:03) Oh, you're right. Cassidy (27:06) And Lex did the Scream franchise. Yeah, I know. Yeah. We did an episode on their podcast for Underwraps, but their podcast was called Chasing Childhood, where they revisited children's films. Kd (27:09) Yeah, you're right. It's a blur. It's all a blur. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah. I really put my best foot forward in that episode too, because I talked about sucking on toes. Cassidy (27:28) You did. Yeah. I do too, unfortunately. Kd (27:29) I remember that part. and I'd do it again. Cassidy (27:35) I believe it. Back to this movie. They did some screenings prior to a wide release and Watkins said that during some of the early screenings when Jenny stabs Cooper in the neck, the first kid that she kills, he said the audiences had been so tense leading up to that moment that it was kind of a relief. So he said a lot of people started like whooping and cheering and like shouting payback. And so he deliberately lingered on the shot afterwards. where she's sobbing and the kid is just dying in her arms because he wanted people to realize that it wasn't this like triumphant moment. And he said, I wanted people to think, was I really just cheering for the death of this little child? To be clear, I kind of was. Those kids sucked. No? Kd (28:13) Yeah. ⁓ shit, I and I can send you a screenshot of exactly what I typed. I think that this movie has the most gut wrenching line in any of the movies that we watched. Cassidy (28:33) Mmm. What line? Kd (28:37) Literally the buildup and the delivery of the kids saying "Miss". Cassidy (28:42) Mm. Kd (28:44) That's like, he's, you literally watch him physically build up the courage to go to her and he's remorseful and he clearly doesn't want to be there and he is probably going to help her. And then she turns around and stabs him. Cassidy (28:51) Yeah. yeah, I mean the intention was that he was going to... He was changing tides. But I mean, to be clear also, wasn't... I was not whooping and cheering for that, but I'm also like, I'm not gonna feel that bad that she killed him because what else was she supposed to do in that moment? Kd (29:04) Yes, yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's conflicting. Cassidy (29:19) If I just watched that kid stab my partner and my partner's now dead. I think I'm killing anybody that comes near me. I'm not gonna trust them. Especially wasn't that, that was, was that after, that was after Adam Betrayed her too. Kd (29:27) Yeah. Yeah, that's so fair. Cassidy (29:36) So already she tried to trust the kid and he just took her right to the lion's den. Kd (29:42) Yeah, I mean, so fair. Cassidy (29:43) And yet she still kept running to people and asking for their help. That was one of those moments where I'm like, how many people do you have to run into who know these kids or are related to these kids before you stop asking people for help and you just run? Just leave? Just go? Kd (29:47) Yeah, right? What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah, anyway, I cried during that. My compassion fatigue reached its limit. Yeah, it is. I also, after having watched this film and in researching, learned the term necklacing for the first time. Cassidy (30:07) Yeah, it's a heavy movie. Yeah. How was that for you? Kd (30:21) So great. If you don't know what I'm talking about, that's originated in South Africa in the 80s. Like it's a relatively new form of torture because it involves or murder, assassination - because it involves a car tire. But it's a method of public execution in which a rubber tire is drenched in gasoline and then forced around someone's neck and arms and then set on fire. It is still used in Brazil by Cassidy (30:33) Yeah. Kd (30:49) mostly like the cartel, And it got a lot of attention in 2002, so a year or two before this film was being conceptualized, when a Brazilian investigative journalist was kidnapped and killed that way in front of a bunch of people. Cassidy (30:51) Mm. Kd (31:03) Terrible. It's not a way to go. And the fact they do it to like a 10 year old is fucking insane. Cassidy (31:04) Yeah. It isn't. don't think he was ten. He looked like 14. Kd (31:17) Okay. Still a child. Cassidy (31:18) Not that that makes it better. You can't necklace a 14 year old just because they're 14. But Kd (31:22) Yeah. Brutal. And the sound... Cassidy (31:26) Yeah, there's lots of moments like, yeah, there's moments like that in this movie where the her killing Cooper or this where it just like lingers. Kd (31:36) Yeah. Cassidy (31:38) And it's like one part of you is like, this kid is getting killed and dying. But the other part is like, you're like, don't go back, right? Like, no, like you can't blame her. Yeah, he says I'm gonna kill him if you don't come back, but you know he's gonna kill you if you go back. Kd (31:46) Yeah, no, I did not want her to go back. No way. I think that's the, that's the like, not the art, but the like finesse of this movie is that you gotta kill the kids. Like there's nothing else. You're killing kids. If you're in this situation, kids are dying at your hands. It's terrible. It's not a fun movie to watch. Cassidy (32:04) Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah. No, no, this is, I think this is on a lot of people's lists of like movies you can only watch once. Which makes sense. Yeah, Watkins talked a lot in interviews that I saw about wanting to show the consequences of violence rather than the violence itself. I do think he showed a lot of violence, but yeah, he was asked if... Kd (32:33) Well, that's... yeah. That was very gory. Cassidy (32:38) Yeah, he was asked if he thought that this fell under the umbrella of torture porn, because that was huge in the, you know, 2000s, early 2000s when this movie came out. He said he didn't think so. He thought that the whole, especially the whole scene with Steve, like that's brought up a lot. He thought that that was important because it was more about Brett imposing his will on the others and also kind of that turning point where some of the kids start realizing maybe this isn't what they want to be doing. So he felt that that was... He said specifically, it's very far removed from the sort of gleeful celebration of violence you get in a film like Saw. Which, tell me you didn't see Saw without telling me you didn't see Saw, because that's... I don't think Saw is gleeful violence. Maybe some of the later ones. Kd (33:24) Okay. Cassidy (33:33) But I will defend the first one until the day I die. I don't think that it's relishing in the violence. I think that it's, again, violence with a purpose. The entire movie is a critique on the American healthcare system. Kd (33:44) Yeah. I don't know, man. I guess I don't, I guess I don't, I still don't understand this concept of torture porn other than the fact that I know that terrifier is that. Cassidy (33:52) Mmm. Kd (33:55) That's it. That's my whole understanding of. Cassidy (33:56) Okay. Yeah, think Torture Porn's just almost no plot, all gore. Kd (34:05) One of my complaints about this film is that it's a light plot, but it's enough. It's enough. And if I'm saying that it's enough. I'm a stickler for there's got to be plot. Cassidy (34:08) It is very light plot. Yeah. Kd (34:18) Except if it's Halloween. Unless Jamie Lee Curtis isn't the film, there has to be a plot. Cassidy (34:25) I'm more forgiving depending on how it's done. I think this is one where I'm more forgiving. It's a light plot but I think it's done in a way that it flows nicely and it makes sense. Simple but effective. Kd (34:38) Yeah, it's not no plot. Cassidy (34:40) No. Kd (34:41) It has one, it's just light and it works. Cassidy (34:45) Yeah. But I think Terrifier is a good example. We haven't really watched a lot of true torture porn movies. Maybe one day. or not. Kd (34:55) I've seen Terrifier. Cassidy (34:57) That's all you need sometimes. Kd (34:58) Yeah. You know what I love is a movie with no plot and a lot of gore. It sounds like I would really enjoy that. Cassidy (35:07) Yeah. Kd (35:09) That was all facetious. If it wasn't clear. Yeah. Okay. Cassidy (35:10) Yeah, I know. Yeah, for anybody who didn't listen to our episode on Terrifier, she hated it. Kd (35:14) I fucking hated it. I hate those movies or that movie. I didn't watch all of them. I only watched the first one. Cassidy (35:21) Yeah. Kd (35:22) And I kind of judge you if you like them. Not gonna lie. Something changes about how I think of you if you enjoy the Terrifier movies. So don't tell me if you like them because I don't want to hear it. Cassidy (35:36) kd that's engagement. Please tell us if you like them. Kd (35:38) hahahaha Cassidy (35:43) feel like people say the same thing about Saw movies, so I can't judge. But... Kd (35:47) Yeah. Yeah. Cassidy (35:49) One day we'll find your movie that people say, if you're a fan of it, you're a weirdo. And then you'll feel differently. Maybe, maybe not. Kd (35:58) Maybe, maybe. I mean, I don't have that many hot takes other than I like Jaws 2 better than Jaws 1. Cassidy (36:03) That don't, don't piss me off again. Kd (36:05) Haha. I've got one more fun fact about this film. Cassidy (36:09) ⁓ okay. I have... more. Kd (36:13) You go first then. Cassidy (36:15) Okay. Well, kind of two in one, but you mentioned too the sound that was used. Kd (36:21) Yeah. Cassidy (36:23) Watkins in an interview said that he wanted to use sound a lot to depict the violence so we can hear what's happening to Adam. Like that's just kind of glimpse. We know what's happening, but it's not a full view of that. And we can just hear him. You can see it, but it's a glimpse of it. It's not a full showing of it. And even when Steve's getting tortured. Kd (36:38) Well, I mean... Okay. Sure. Cassidy (36:47) A lot of it, yeah, you're seeing, but also a lot of it is Jenny's reactions to it or Brett's reactions to it while it's happening. So that was kind of important in his... Kd (36:54) Yeah. Cassidy (37:00) vision. But one of the scenes that he pointed out was when Brett is like beating one of his friends to death. And you don't see any of it. You see him hitting, but you don't see the punches connecting. You just hear it. And he said when they were doing it, it became a lot. He was like, that was one of those scenes that just was too much. So that's why he decided to have the music kind of take over and drown out the sound and kind of Kd (37:07) Yes. None of it. Mm-hmm. Cassidy (37:28) go with that and then he said that he used that same technique at the end when she's getting carried away and you can hear her and then it fades into the music and it's just Brett in his room. So he felt like that kind of helped the music kind of carry it away from that heaviness. Kd (37:46) Mm Yeah, this movie has I mean, not that I know what an authentic scream is, but this movie feels like it has the most authentic screaming. It's like this, her screaming and Adam screaming are fucking terrible. Cassidy (37:56) Mm. Yeah. Kd (38:02) so hard to listen to. Cassidy (38:04) Mm-hmm. Kd (38:05) Another fun fact. This movie's so depressing. This is... Cassidy (38:09) Yeah, fun facts about the bleakest movie. Kd (38:12) Yeah, this one actually is kind of a fun fact. Kelly Reilly, who played Jenny, obviously had eight different versions of the same dress to wear, each with varying degrees of grime and muck Cassidy (38:23) Hmm. Kd (38:24) and blood. Yeah. Cassidy (38:25) That checks out. She gets progressively more disgusting by the end. Yeah. I think it was just a dumpster, right? Kd (38:29) Yeah, when she goes into that trash thing, whatever that was. It was so sludgy, was it like compost? Cassidy (38:39) I don't maybe. Kd (38:41) It was gross. Cassidy (38:42) Yeah. Kd (38:44) I was so worried she was gonna like have to go all the way under and when he opened the lid she wasn't gonna be in there because she was gonna be all the way under with her face under. Cassidy (38:54) Yeah, thank goodness that didn't happen and she gets a happy ending. Kd (39:00) Okay, yeah. When you put it that way. Cassidy (39:04) Yeah, sorry. She actually said in an interview that when they were shooting that last scene in the movie that Watkins just looked at her and was like, people are going to hate this. And she just said, I don't care because she loved it so much. She just thought that Jenny not getting out was scarier and more realistic. So she liked that ending. Kd (39:32) What is something crazy is I read on Reddit that people have this on lists of good for her films. Like what about this film is good for her? Cassidy (39:42) I would not put it there. But I mean, we also talked about it during Midsommar, where people don't think that's a good for her movie, and I do, so. Kd (39:50) It is. Cassidy (39:51) But people say she's no better off at the end than she was at the beginning. I mean, she's not dead. She's not as bad as Jenny is at the end of this. But I think... Kd (39:59) Also her dumbass boyfriend's dead. Good for her. Yeah. Cassidy (40:02) I think that's the good for her part. And I think people forget that it started as a joke. Like it was a meme. People were saying good for her at Gone Girl. She's also not in a better situation. It's just funny to say that when a woman takes power over her shitty shitty boyfriend or husband. So I think that's where the disconnect happens is that some people think it has to be a happy ending to be a good for her and I do not. Kd (40:22) That's fair. Cassidy (40:28) However, this one, that's kind of a reach for me. I don't think at any moment in this, I'm like, good for her. Maybe when she hits the girl with her car, but again, it's a kid, so how happy can you be? ⁓ Kd (40:32) I don't see it. Yeah. Ugh. I hate that- Literally all three, well, no, because the girl was kind of a shit too. Cassidy (40:48) But she had realized and she kills them after they realize what a mistake they've made. That's the hard part is that, right, there's no redemption because. Kd (40:53) Yeah, that's true. All of them, literally everyone that dies that she kills. Well, any of the ones that die. Cassidy (41:01) They die. And at that point, it's kind of like to her, they're beyond redemption. Like you can't come back from that. She's never going to trust you again. But also kind of unfortunate because then the whole family thinks that she killed them all on purpose. Kd (41:08) Yeah. I mean, I still think... Yeah, not ideal. Cassidy (41:19) It's not an ideal ending. Kd (41:20) No. I still think that Cooper, the young kid, he really struggled and like half-assed his torture of the husband. That one hit me. The other one's like, you know, maybe, but that one really bothered me. Cassidy (41:33) Yeah. Kd (41:40) I cried. Cassidy (41:40) I'm sorry. Yeah. Kd (41:42) Also, I watched this movie in the dark. I don't watch movies in the dark very often. Cassidy (41:49) Yeah, I keep telling you you need to because it would impact your ratings, but. ⁓ OK. Just talking to talk. Kd (41:52) I don't think it did. I'm just commenting. I'm just a comment. Yeah, we got an hour to fill. Cassidy (42:02) Mm-hmm. Kd (42:03) Any more fun facts? Cassidy (42:04) Yeah. Just one. Kd (42:07) Okay. Cassidy (42:08) They said that they wanted to escalate it kind of slowly, which I think worked well for the pacing of the movie, because it kind of starts with one confrontation and then it escalates to the food and the tire and then the diner and then it just keeps building on that because they wanted to be, they wanted people to put themselves in the couple's shoes. And Watkins said that he felt like a lot of men would feel like they have to go say something, that they have to stand up for themselves or their partner. Kd (42:14) Mm-hmm. Cassidy (42:36) And it's only after it kind of escalates to the point of no return that you realize, I could have walked away so many times before this, but... Kd (42:43) Yeah. Cassidy (42:45) I do feel like that kind of added to the realism a bit. It built. Personally, I'm out of there, but that's just me. Do you have any other fun facts? Kd (42:57) No, I think I'm ready to rate it. Cassidy (42:59) Alright, let's do it. Kd (43:01) Okay, how scary did you think it was? Cassidy (43:05) I give it a one out of five. I give it like a little bump just cause. That's more fucked up than it is scary, but I give it a little bump, because there's moments of tension. What about you? Kd (43:16) Yeah. I gave it a 1.5 because that's what my heart tells me. It was harrowing. I don't think it was exactly scary. Cassidy (43:22) Yeah. Fair. Kd (43:28) I ain't afraid of no kids. Fuck them kids. Just kidding. Cassidy (43:30) I am. Don't come near me. How sexy did you think it was? Kd (43:37) I hear a .5. It's too grimy. It was a very grimy movie. Too violent and like not in like a fun. Cassidy (43:41) Yeah. Kd (43:46) It wasn't fun. I didn't have fun Cassidy (43:48) Yeah. Kd (43:49) How about you? Cassidy (43:49) Yeah, I also gave it a point five. Yeah. It's just the vibe is not it's not it. Kd (43:57) Yeah. Cassidy (43:58) It's not a sexy vibe. Kd (44:00) No. Cassidy (44:01) Love you, Jack O'Connell, in any other role, but you are gross in this one. Well done. Yeah. Kd (44:06) Yeah. How fucked up did you think it was? Cassidy (44:12) I gave it a 2.5. It's pretty fucked up. Yeah. They get the dog dying. We got Adam's death. We got Cooper's death. Yeah, the dog dies. It was kind of sad too. It's like the only thing Brett cares about. Yeah, we've got, you know, the thing going through our foot, everything that happens to Steve, the ending. Kd (44:15) Okay, that's reasonable. That's reasonable. Yeah. I forgot about the dog. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ooh, yeah. Yeah. Cassidy (44:39) Overall, fairly fucked up. What about you? Kd (44:41) Yeah. I gave it a three and a half. I don't think that's especially surprising that I would rate it higher than you. I also didn't like the mouth thing. The box cutter in the mouth. That I did not like. Yeah, and obviously the necklacing atom thing, not good. The poor kid getting stabbed in the neck was fucked up. And a lot of stuff that we hadn't seen before. Like I had like Cassidy (44:45) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was rough. Yeah. Kd (45:10) Finding out that necklacing is a thing? Not ideal. And then the screams. Cassidy (45:12) Yeah. Kd (45:16) I like going in blind. Like I thought we were on like. You know, I don't know. Going in blind and then finding out that the villain is a bunch of kids, you don't expect... It just caught me by surprise. I thought it was going to be a lot tamer. So I think that that heightened it a little bit. Cassidy (45:33) Valid. Overall, what did you think of Eden Lake? Kd (45:37) I would say that this is like a step... Whatever is after, like right after Gateway Horror, I think this is the step right after that. I think that once you've seen all of the Gateway Horror movies, and you're like ready for some more gory stuff, then you watch this one. And you'll be prepared for anything. You know? Cassidy (45:58) Yeah, this feels maybe like a step above. It's pretty intense. Kd (46:03) anyway, actually really enjoyed it. did have a good time, sort of, not like really, but like sort of, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was so fun to be uncomfortable and sad and yeah. I started it late last night. Cassidy (46:10) You had a good time having a bad time. Yeah. huh. Kd (46:21) with the intention of watching 20 minutes and then finishing it on my drive home from work. And I couldn't put it down. I was up until 2 a.m. finishing it and then also, well, no, I was up until midnight finishing it and then until 2 a.m. thinking about that I had just finished the movie that I just finished. The characters are all compelling. I might in a past life have complained about the thin plot, but it really didn't bother me in this one. I didn't even really think about it until after the fact, like, wow, I didn't really have a plot. Cassidy (46:25) Mm-hmm. Kd (46:48) The chase of it all was kind of fun. The surprise of how jarring some of it was, was fun. The acting was great all around. I really think everybody did a good job. Cinematically, it was a little dark, maybe, which like, whatever. Directors and cinematographers don't know how to light their fucking movies. And I think I would have enjoyed a little bit more on some of the other kids, because I really liked what we got from the main kid. Cassidy (46:59) Yeah. Kd (47:15) That like context, you know what I mean? And I liked that we got the, you know, the older brother looking for the younger brother. That gave a little bit more context into that kid. I liked that sort of like world building sort of, I guess is what you'd call that. Anyway, overall, I don't think I'm gonna ever watch it again, but I gave it four. Cassidy (47:15) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Kd (47:32) I actually really liked it. Yeah, it was good. I liked it. How about you? Cassidy (47:33) Nice. We agree. Kd (47:39) Hooray! Wow, it's about damn time. Cassidy (47:42) I know, it's been a while. No, that's not true. We agreed on some of the Jaws. It just got overshadowed by your horrific rating on the original and Jaws 2. Yeah, I give this a four out of five. It is bleak, but it is... I haven't made the list yet, but I keep saying I have a list of great movies that I only want to watch once. And this is on there. I did watch it again for the podcast, but you it happens. I had to refresh my memory because there were a lot of things that I didn't fully remember or maybe blocked out on purpose. The main thing that stuck with me was the ending, which... Kd (48:10) Yeah, yikes. Sorry. Cassidy (48:24) think is what a lot of people remember from this. I did give it a little bit of a... Kd (48:28) That's the part they remember? Like that part was just like, whatever compared to the fucking tire thing. Cassidy (48:34) Yeah, I mean, that's obviously horrific. But I think in conversations about horror movies, I see this one the most when people are talking about crazy endings to movies. It's like The Mist, this, some others that maybe we haven't watched yet. So it's like not happy endings, you know? Kd (48:39) Yeah. That's kind of crazy to me that people are complaining about a horror movie having a horror movie ending. Cassidy (48:59) Because people in America always fight against it and then they don't do it because they want the happy ending. They want the heroes to overcome and win. Kd (49:07) That's like not even a horror movie. That's an action movie. I'm just kidding. Cassidy (49:10) Okay, you're the one who liked Speak No Evil remake, so where are we now, kd? Where are we now, kd? I have been a sad ending defender since day one. Kd (49:14) Not, Yeah, I liked it because it had good acting. I've been a defender of The Mist since day one. Making random ass people in bars watch that movie. Nothing brings me greater joy. Cassidy (49:29) but yeah, I always will be. Yeah, that was the best day of my life. Yeah. Anyways, I did duck it a little bit. It is hard to watch. Kd (49:41) It is. Cassidy (49:41) It's not like a feel-good romp you want to put on when your friends are over, but... It definitely stays with you. Kd (49:47) Yeah, unfortunately, I'll be thinking about it for a long time. Cassidy (49:49) Yeah. Nice. Kd (49:53) Bye. Cassidy (49:54) You picked it. Kd (49:55) I did, out of three choices. Cassidy (49:58) Yeah, I don't even remember what the other two were, but... Kd (50:01) That's a shame. Cassidy (50:02) I remember one of them. Kd (50:05) What was it? Cassidy (50:07) The Loved Ones was on there. Kd (50:09) That sounds stupid. Cassidy (50:11) Don't... Don't act like that when you don't know. Kd (50:13) Doesn't it? It sounds stupid. The name is dumb. Cassidy (50:19) Well, it's not. Kd (50:20) Okay. Cassidy (50:21) Wolf Creek was the other one. Kd (50:23) ⁓ we already watched that. Cassidy (50:26) No. Kd (50:27) I thought I already watched this one too. I thought it was the Australian. I was like, yeah, I was like, what if she just like slipped it in here to see if how far I would get into the movie before I realize I was watching it again. Cassidy (50:31) Lake Mungo? That would be hilarious, but no, wouldn't do that because you probably would watch it and be like, feels like another movie we watched and then it'd be a whole rabbit hole. Kd (50:49) Yeah. Or worse, I'd be like, you know what? I forgot. I actually have already seen this movie. I just forgot that I did an episode on it. Cassidy (50:57) What's funny though is that you chose the one that's not Australian. And Lake Mungo was Australian. Loved Ones and Wolf Creek are both Australian and this one's British, so... Yeah. Kd (51:01) That is funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Wolf Creek? Cassidy (51:10) Wolf Creek is Australian. Kd (51:12) Eden Lake? Cassidy (51:13) Eden Lake is British. Kd (51:15) No, but did you see that you two bodies of water? Cassidy (51:18) Yeah, but Wolf Creek isn't actually about a creek. Kd (51:21) Okay, got it. Cassidy (51:22) They all have something else in common, which I won't tell you. Anyways, no. No. Kd (51:26) Bleak endings. Children murderers. Cassidy (51:35) Wow, I really did create a trifecta of movies that all have things in common with one or the other. That's crazy. Anyways. All right, would you survive? Kd (51:40) Hahaha! Yeah. Yeah, I neither myself nor my husband are confrontational enough to have approached those kids, especially not the second time or the dog ends up dead and then like everything goes south. So we're so fucking safe, dude. Yeah, we're just leaving. Cassidy (51:47) Okay. Just getting out. Got a blast. Yeah, I live. Kd (52:04) Yeah, no big deal. Yeah. How about you? Yeah. Cassidy (52:10) They're camping. The amount of things that have to go wrong for me to leave a camping trip is exactly one. So the minute there are rowdy teens, bye. Let's go to a hotel. I love hotels. our food goes bad? But yeah, but I figure I have to put myself in that situation if I'm gonna be fair. So let's say I get drug camping. One thing goes wrong, I'm fucking out of there. Food goes bad, goodbye. Tires fucked with, bye-bye. Kd (52:22) Yeah. You're not even camping in the first place. Okay, so. Cassidy (52:41) I'm gone. At the first three things that happened, I'm out of there. So there's not even a confrontation to be had. Kd (52:47) So what you're saying is that there is a chance you'll go camping with me as long as nothing goes wrong. Cassidy (52:53) No, what I'm saying is that in our rules, I have to put myself in the situation, so... by mythical intervention I am camping in this made-up scenario. But no, I will go to a campsite and I will sit and have s'mores and drink some alcohol and then I will skedaddle down the street to a hotel where I can have AC and no bugs biting me. Kd (53:16) Okay. Cassidy (53:17) I just don't get it, I don't get it. Kd (53:20) Alright, yeah. Cassidy (53:21) We have heating and AC. We have bed frames. Why do I want to go rough it? No! Thank you. Yeah, it hurts. I'm an adult. Camping is playing make believe when you sleep in the living room to make it seem like you're on a camping trip when you're 12. Grow up. You don't need to camp anymore. Kd (53:25) I don't want to go camping either. It hurts my shoulder. It just hurts me. I think if it didn't hurt I would do it. That's what she said. Yeah. Yeah. Cassidy (53:49) I'm kidding, if people want to camp they can't. I'm not going. We're get the camping defenders in our fucking comments. That's true. All right. Kd (53:50) Yeah, they know they know. Hey, it's engagement. Hey, you hear that campers? We fucking hate camping. Cassidy (54:04) Yeah campers, you better not comment anything, campers. Kd (54:09) You're really laying it on thick this episode. Cassidy (54:11) Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll get one. I'll rage bait someone. Alright, do want to predict next week's movie? Kd (54:17) I think I know enough about this movie that I probably shouldn't. Cassidy (54:20) ⁓ okay. You've seen it? ⁓ Just the name? Kd (54:22) No. ⁓ But like, no, like by just it's older. People talk about it. It's The Fourth Kind. Yeah, I know it's an alien movie. I'm pretty sure it's like a cop investigation alien movie where they're like, all these people are dying. What's wrong with them? And then they find out that people are being taken in the middle of the night, like levitating out of their beds into the UFO kind of thing. Cassidy (54:31) Okay. Yes, it is The Fourth Kind. Kd (54:52) Like a very traditional alien movie. And I did this once earlier. I confused it with The Sixth Sense. Cassidy (54:52) Got it. Yeah. Kd (55:01) It's either like people it's like I think it's in the same critical acclaim bucket as six cents like I think but that could also be very very wrong. It's one or the other. It's either like critically acclaimed. People love The Fourth Kind or it's absolute fucking trash ass and people hate it and that's why they talk about it. I vaguely remember people liking this for some reason or another. But it could just be that I Cassidy (55:18) Mm-hmm. Kd (55:29) those have the same name, sort of. Cassidy (55:31) Yeah, it could also be that you're thinking of Close Encounters of a Third Kind. Kd (55:36) That also could be. Cassidy (55:37) I think that's what it is. Kd (55:39) Wha- that's an alien movie, Fourth Kind is an alien movie. Cassidy (55:43) It is, but it's not. Close Encounters of a Third Kind, is what you're thinking of. Fourth Kind is not old. Kd (55:47) Okay. This is the sequel. Cassidy (55:51) Yeah, tell me about it. I'm making you watch the sequel first. It's chronological. It's the prequel. Kd (55:58) No, because third, fourth. Cassidy (56:00) Yeah, yeah, But aliens go backwards. Kd (56:04) Okay, I'd let them. Cassidy (56:06) I'm kidding. But yeah, I think you were thinking of Close Encounters of a Third Kind, which is fair. Kd (56:10) No, I really think I was thinking of The Sixth Sense. Cassidy (56:13) An older movie that people talk about that is critically acclaimed is Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Kd (56:20) People talk about The Sixth Sense. It's critically acclaimed. Cassidy (56:25) With The Sixth Sense, yes. But that's not this. This is The Fourth Kind. Kd (56:27) Yes, I know. But it's, but I wasn't confusing it with Close Encounters of a Third Kind because I know that's critically acclaimed and I know it's about aliens. Cassidy (56:39) Okay, so you were confusing it with The Sixth Sense. Kd (56:41) This one, it's either The Fourth Kind or The Sixth Sense that are critically acclaimed or both. I'm just confused by The Sixth Sense and The Fourth Kind having the same. Got it. Yeah, okay. Well, yeah. They just have the same naming conventions. You know what I mean? Cassidy (56:51) Yeah, I'm confused now too, so that's fine. We're in the same boat. Yeah. Yeah, numbers. Kd (57:03) Yeah, and I had forgotten about Close Encounter to the Third Kind until right now, and that's bothering me now too. Cassidy (57:06) until I just said it. Yeah, I'm sorry. Kd (57:10) Anyway, people either really like this movie or they hate it. don't remember. I just know it's about aliens. There's some middle of the road films. Madagascar 2. Cassidy (57:13) Yeah, that's most films. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. When I think middle of the road movies, Madagascar 2. First thing that comes to mind. Kd (57:29) you It's not as good as one or three. or as bad as King Julian. Cassidy (57:38) What? How dare you? I'm just kidding, I think I've only seen the first one. Alright, well, yeah, it's aliens, that's all you need to know. That's fine. Kd (57:51) Good. All right, here we go. Let's do it. Next Tuesday, we'll see you then. Cassidy (57:56) Can't wait! Kd (57:57) Not like right now. You made a face, like I was asking you, let's do it right now. Cassidy (58:02) ⁓ no, I'm familiar with how our recording schedule goes. I didn't think at 10pm on a Thursday you wanted to record two episodes in a row, but without having seen the second one. Kd (58:05) okay. Ha Who knows, maybe I have seen it, I'll remember. Cassidy (58:19) Yeah. Crazy. Well, please like and subscribe. Stick around with us till next week if you want to hear us talk about The Fourth Kind. You got time to watch it. Tell us your favorite horror movie with a depressing ending. Thanks for listening. Bye. Kd (58:34) Bye.