Horror News
👻 Damien Leone being sh*tty: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2025/02/04/terrifier-director-damien-leone-ignites-backlash-with-non-political-post/
👻 ‘Jurassic World: Rebirth’ previews dinosaur inspired by Xenomorph, Rancor: https://gizmodo.com/jurassic-world-rebirth-mutant-dinosaur-rancor-alien-2000559760
👻 Horror winners at 2025 Critics’ Choice Awards, Demi Moore, ‘Substance’: https://movieweb.com/demi-moore-critics-choice-winner-horror-genre-awards-recognition/
👻 ‘Final Destination: Bloodlines’ trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnWzz0n60pE
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In this episode of the Killer Cuties Podcast, hosts Cassidy and Kd dive into various topics surrounding the horror genre, including the latest news on horror films, trailers, and award season updates. They discuss the controversies surrounding the Terrifier series, the excitement for the Jurassic World Rebirth trailer, and the recognition of horror films in award shows. The episode culminates in a detailed analysis of the film 'Bones and All', exploring its themes, characters, and differences from the source material. In this conversation, Cassidy and Kd delve into the complexities of character motivations and thematic elements in a book and its film adaptation. They explore the differences in character backstories, the emotional weight of the narrative, and the contrasting endings of the book and movie. The discussion also touches on the emotional impact of the story on audiences, the portrayal of supporting characters, and the cinematic techniques used to convey the story's themes. In this conversation, the hosts explore various themes related to character development, film production, and cultural references in a recent movie. They discuss the nuances of character portrayals, the differences between the book and the film adaptation, and share fun facts about the production process. The conversation also touches on the influence of classic horror films and the challenges faced by the production team. In this conversation, the hosts delve into the themes of fear, sexuality, and identity as they review the film 'Bones and All.' They explore the complexities of horror, the artistic choices made in the film, and how it compares to the original book.
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Hello?
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Hello?
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Welcome back to the Killer Cuties Podcast.
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Yes.
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We're here.
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It's Tuesday.
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We're doing it.
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Yep.
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We're here.
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Thank you for your addition.
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We're excited to be here.
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We're excited to talk about bones and all.
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Yep, that is the movie of the day.
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week.
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The week, yeah the whole week.
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Until next week.
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Have fun.
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when we talk about Mandy and we'll see you then, bye.
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No, but first news.
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news.
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I'll start.
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Guess.
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Thanks.
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I appreciate the support.
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Okay, so there's some drama happening and I am a messy bitch so we're gonna talk about it for a second.
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So, the Terrifier series, which I know you're a huge fan of.
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So, the guy who plays R, David Thornton Howard, sorry, switched those up.
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And then,
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Lauren Lavera, who plays Sienna Shaw in the franchise.
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You haven't seen that sequels, but she's in the sequels.
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Anyways, both of them very outspoken online about political issues.
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Very much so against Trump.
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Yeah, big fan.
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So they've been very outspoken about a lot of things.
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David Howe, or David Thor, why do I keep switching his name?
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David Thornton Howard, I think you should change your name to David Howard Thornton.
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Anyways, but he recently said something about, basically to sum it up, he said, don't call yourself a fan of mine if you're against the LGBTQ community.
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They worked on the films that I make.
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They're a part of this.
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They need support just as much as the next person.
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You're not a fan if you're against them, basically.
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Great, love that.
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Not that long after that, to a surprise,
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of absolutely nobody, Damien Leone got involved, the director, who you already love so much.
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And he basically said that, Terrifier is not a political movie, it's just for entertainment.
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He likes horror movies just for entertainment.
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Just as a side note here, horror has and always will be one of the most political forms of movies ever.
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Anyways, that aside, he's basically saying,
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At least, Terrifier itself is not political, and he doesn't like that people are weaponizing their platforms and the Terrifier movies to basically push their own agendas.
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It did not go over well.
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People are not happy with him at all.
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A lot of fans of the franchise are very upset with that.
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My jaw stayed exactly in place.
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I was not surprised at all that he said something like that.
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But...
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in an upside.
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I've seen a lot of people talking about horror movies and the politics that are involved in them and the stories and the messages that they're saying, which has been really cool.
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So that's kind of an upside as people are.
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talking about it.
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right, and just expressing that every horror movie you've seen has a political underlying message, so.
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Yeah.
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And the one in Terrifier is not great.
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I think maybe he didn't mean for it to have a political message, but it sure did.
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yeah, yeah.
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Anyways, I thought that that was fun drama and I thought you'd like it because it confirms what you already thought about him.
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So it's the worst.
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Well, yeah.
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Anyways, that's my first draw of my news.
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No problem.
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I did summarize that a lot and it was kind of off the top of my head.
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I didn't write anything down for news because I was lazy,
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wow.
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But we can link the article that talks about it.
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okay, my first news is very on brand.
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The Jurassic World Rebirth trailer is live.
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And we finally got our first look at the T-Rex hybrid design that was said to be inspired by the rancor from Star Wars and Xenomorph.
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Yes, the alien.
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Yeah, and it is exactly a mix of those three things.
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T-Rex, Rancor, and Xenomorph.
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It's spot on, exactly what you would imagine.
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I'm personally not sold on Scarlett Johansson's performance just quite yet.
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I think it's a little stiff.
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But if the design of the dinosaurs is any indication at all of what we have to look forward to, I'm actually very excited.
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I'm tempted to forgive them for releasing the movie in July.
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Yeah, that was a big no-no on your end.
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Yeah, I'm sorry.
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but I might, but I won't.
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I thought about it briefly because the dinosaur looks really cool.
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But yeah, the the premise, close your ears if you don't want to hear, the premise of this movie is there's some there's another island we have we haven't seen yet that has some
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hybrid dinosaurs that were too dangerous.
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to be in Jurassic Park.
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So this is like the reject island, the dinosaur reject island.
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And Scar Joe and that one guy that on Broadway or whatever I see on Broadway.
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Why is everybody like him?
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Yeah, what's his?
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he was in Wicked.
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That's why he's got so much hype around him right now.
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okay yeah, so I was on the right track.
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Musical guy.
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They have to go and get DNA from the three biggest, baddest dinos on this big bad dino island to save humanity.
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Of course.
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High stakes.
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It's gotta be the three biggest dinosaurs.
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I don't know, think the concept is a little lackluster.
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I think ScarJo is a little lackluster.
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But that dinosaur really fucking slaps.
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I mean, how many times can you have these dinosaur misadventures before you just shut down the island, you know?
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Well, this is a new island.
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But why are we having the second island when the first one didn't go well?
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is the third island in the movies.
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Why did we have the second island when the first one didn't go well?
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fair.
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That's why I'm wondering.
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Yeah.
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let alone a third.
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It's craziness.
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It's fair, it's reasonable to question, but hey, it's a billion dollar franchise.
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We'll make as many islands as they need.
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And then I'll keep paying them.
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You'll keep watching.
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Great, well, my last news is just updates on the award show seasons.
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We have some horror movies that are in there.
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Yeah, for once.
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The Critics Choice Awards happened on the seventh.
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So if you're listening to this, it releases last Friday.
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And there were a couple of wins for horror movies.
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Nosferatu won for best cinematography.
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Very exciting.
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And accurate?
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Yes.
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And then The Substance actually took home three awards.
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Very exciting.
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It got best hair and makeup, best original screenplay, and best actress for to me more.
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And even more exciting in her speech, she kind of shouted out that horror gets overlooked a lot.
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So she's very excited that the recognition is finally going towards the genre.
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So that was really cool to see because you know,
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It does get neglected a lot.
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People don't take it seriously.
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And it's sad.
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And I wish that they would.
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And I'm glad that this season we're at least making some progress there.
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I agree.
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Yeah, but I think it looks good for her for the Oscar, so that's exciting too.
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We won't know until it happens what's gonna win there, but I'm hoping that Elise Demi gets best actress.
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That's my hope.
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Yeah, gets her flowers.
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Yeah, I hope they get more than that to be clear, but if they have to get one, I'm kind of rooting for it to be her.
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Yeah, guess I should watch it.
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We still haven't watched it.
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I'm nervous.
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Why?
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Cause it's body horror and it just makes me nervous.
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I got the burps just thinking about it.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry that happened to you.
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That's okay.
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Okay, one more for me.
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Final Destination Bloodlines, the trailer came out or it's like a teaser.
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It's not a full trailer, a week or two ago now and a bunch of it's already trending on social.
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Looks very hip in terms of cinematography, very in, very up modern, if you will, but seems to follow the formula.
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Everyone has come to know and love the one in a zillion deaths.
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Yeah, well, I mean, I've got good news.
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All the Final Destination movies are now streaming on Macs leading up to the release of the newest installation on May 14th.
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So go have a marathon on Macs.
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Yeah, we have to.
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I mean, aren't we?
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No, but aren't aren't we?
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Yeah.
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You want to talk about all?
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Well, I suggested it.
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You said I don't want to watch 10 movies.
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I said there's only five plus the sixth one.
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And then we started talking about Saw.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it sounds about how our conversations go.
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Yeah.
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And then I forget about them.
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But you remember.
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Yes, yes.
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about.
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Do you ever think that I'm just making up what we talked about?
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Yeah.
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I think my husband and I both are probably the easiest people in the world to gaslight.
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So sad, I would never gaslight you.
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Intentionally.
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Sometimes I think I'm right and I'm not, but that's not my fault.
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You know what though, when you're right so much, it's hard to remember the times that you're not.
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Okay.
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You are right a lot.
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It's annoying.
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you.
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It is, It must be really frustrating, I can't imagine.
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Anyways, that movie does come out in May, so if you want to do a marathon, you do not have to twist my arm, I'm in.
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Which one of us is getting a max subscription?
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I already have a max subscription.
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Okay, it feels like that's what I'm missing out on.
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Like I canceled everything except Netflix.
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I should have kept Max.
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I canceled Max, but then for, I think it was Black Friday, they said six months for $2.99 a month.
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So I was like, that I can do.
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Let's go.
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So I signed up for it again.
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Max was literally, we got laid off.
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I think everybody knows this by now, but yeah, we've talked about it.
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We've talked about it.
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yeah, yeah.
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We talked about it after the election because it was just like one, punch.
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Yeah, seriously.
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my God.
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And I went through all of my subscriptions and canceled everything.
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Max was the only one that didn't give me like a win back like a, hey, don't, no, don't cancel.
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We'll give it to you for 99 cents a month for three months.
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And then it'll go back up to the price that you were paying.
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Max is the only one that didn't do that for me.
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So I'm jealous that you got a Black Friday offer.
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They didn't offer it to me when I cancelled.
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I saw it online afterwards and it said new and returning customers.
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So I was like, sick.
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That's me I'm pretty sure I posted about it in discord.
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So
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my B.
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Yeah, that's by far the one I miss the most.
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Well, if there's anything you want to watch on there, just tell me.
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I'll stream it for you any time.
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I'm actually busy for the next six months, I'm kidding.
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I'm kidding.
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I'll watch it one day.
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I swear.
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great.
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OK, so you don't need me.
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I can just watch it myself.
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I do actually very frequently.
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Yeah, as you should.
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But yeah, I'm excited for Final Destination.
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May 14th.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of sad because the teaser trailer, stop.
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Fast forward if you don't want to hear the spoilers if you're trying to avoid them.
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Did you watch it?
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OK, yeah, it's a whole it's just a whole death scene, basically.
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But the person in it is the person I was excited to see in the movie.
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I mean, you have to know, you know, they're probably going to die if they're in this movie.
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But still, I what's his name?
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Richard Harmon?
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He was in 100.
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John Murphy from The 100.
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Yep.
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Took me a second.
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Mm-hmm, yeah, he was my second favorite character on the 100.
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That's a choice.
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but I really liked him I thought he was fun
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man, I mean, that was a really good book and actually pretty decent show.
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That show was so good until it was not.
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And it happened very quickly.
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Good for you.
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Because it got real bad real quick.
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And then it was like, now I'm just watching to finish it, you know?
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Yeah, did it even finish?
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Did they finish it?
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okay.
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Well, I watched until about maybe like three episodes after...
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Spoiler.
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What's-her-face dies.
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The girlfriend.
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The girlfriend?
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Who's girlfriend?
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There's 800 people in that show.
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The main character's girlfriend.
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Lexa.
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Is the girlfriend's name?
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Yes, Lexa.
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Yes, Lexa and Clark.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's honestly, that's a pretty good spot to end it.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah.
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Okay, should we talk about bones at all?
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Yes.
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I'll launch us into it then.
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Thank you.
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Okay, so a little overview of the plot.
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Love blossoms between a young woman on the margins of society and a disenfranchised drifter as they embark on a 3 mile odyssey through the backroads of America.
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However, despite their best efforts, all roads lead back to their terrifying past and a final stand that will determine whether their love can survive their differences.
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That's from Google.
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That was really deep.
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conveniently does not mention the cannibalism at all.
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Yeah, you're so right.
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which is a wild choice, but accurate still.
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It was directed by Luca Guadagnino.
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The screenplay was by David Kijanek.
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It's based on the book Bones and All by Camille D'Angeles.
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It stars Taylor Russell and Timothee Chalamet, Timmy Tim.
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Despite it receiving a 10-minute standing ovation at its premiere in Venice, it ended up underperforming.
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in the box office.
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It made only 15.3 million when it had a budget of about 16 to 20 million.
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But it does have a 6.8 on IMDB, an 82 % critic score, and a 63 % audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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So people liked it, they just didn't go to see it.
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Yeah.
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Made me...
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had I pirated this, I would have felt bad about that.
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I love that you didn't.
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Thank you for not...
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parodying.
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huh.
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Great.
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You
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Somebody said I Wish I'd written it down because I didn't but I think it was their letterbox review They said this is the second time Timothy Chalamet has co-starred in a
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movie with a cannibal And that's my favorite review ever
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has he been in a movie with Army Hammer?
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That's who, yes, I love that you got that immediately.
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That's who he co-starred in Call Me By Your Name with.
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my god, that's so fucking funny.
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Wow.
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Incredible.
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Yeah.
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Can I just say watching a lot of interviews with Timothee Chalamet for this episode, he's so eloquent.
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He's very, very well spoken.
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I don't think we watched the same.
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I watched the Milk Duds type of interviews with him.
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Also well spoken, but...
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yeah, yeah, yeah.
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the one specifically that made me go like, wow, he is very good at this and knows exactly what he's talking about is the it's called Timothy Chalamet and Taylor Russell Breakdown a
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Scene from Bones and All with Luca Guadagnino Vanity Fair Interview on YouTube.
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It's a very long name.
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Amazing.
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We can link it in the description.
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Yes, but yeah, he just has such great insights and I wish I was as eloquent as him.
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Yeah, he got it.
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He understood the assignment.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And if you didn't know, this is his first production venture, his first producer credit on a film.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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I've read the book.
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yeah, let's talk about it.
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No, no I have not.
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I don't have time.
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No, you told me you were gonna tell me about it.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so there's quite a few differences.
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Not in the main overarching storyline, but a couple small ones.
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For instance, it's her mom that leaves her.
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She's searching for her dad, just to switch on that.
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When she finally does find him in the mental health facility, he does not try to kill her.
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He doesn't call her a monster.
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He gives her his journal.
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It's a very fine meeting.
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They don't, no bad blood there.
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Boring.
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okay.
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Sully is a little bit different.
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She is not suspicious of him right from the start.
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She actually considers him a friend throughout most of the book, until he tries to eat her and she finds out that he's her grandfather.
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So that's also left out.
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Whoa!
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Yes, in the movie, there's no relation whatsoever.
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He's just another feeder.
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In the book, it is her paternal grandfather.
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So she yeah, it's it's genetic, essentially, it's been passed down.
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Yeah.
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Well, we kind of get a taste of that.
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no, we definitely get a taste of that.
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It's.
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And his dad, yeah.
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so in the book Lee's dad is never mentioned as being a feeder.
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We don't know.
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Yeah, he leaves town because he killed one of his mom's boyfriends and his girlfriend at the time saw it happen.
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So he had to leave.
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Yeah, so that's a whole separate thing.
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Yeah, so Sully's her grandfather in the book and his whole thing is that he likes to eat family members.
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So they kind of touch on that when he says that his first was his granddad in the morgue or whatever.
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But yeah, each feeder kind of has their own type in the book.
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So Lee targets people who are like bullies and mean.
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And then she in the book targets people who...
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like her basically, they want to be intimate with her.
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Yeah, so she never like attacks her friend at a sleepover or anything like that.
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Yeah, but yeah, so those are kind of like small little differences throughout it.
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And then the ending is different.
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Mm-hmm.
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Don't piss me off.
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So here's how the book gets.
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Sully does come, he attacks them.
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Lee overpowers him and kills him.
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Lee is not mortally wounded.
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He is fine.
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They do not find his sister's hair in Sully's rope.
00:20:54
She is fine.
00:20:56
Good.
00:20:57
Marin still eats Lee.
00:20:59
No!
00:21:01
God damn it!
00:21:04
Why?
00:21:05
Exactly.
00:21:06
So that's why I reread it, because I watched the movie already and then I read the book thinking like, I know I'll just get more details on like the characters and stuff.
00:21:16
No, I reread the ending like three times thinking that I missed to the part where it talked about his stab wound or her hair or anything, and it doesn't happen.
00:21:24
She eats him and then she basically accepts the fact that she's a monster and starts like luring men on the campus that she's at and like leans into it.
00:21:35
And it was really confusing.
00:21:36
I didn't really understand it.
00:21:37
Like the whole time in the book, which I think is really important too, when you think about the author's message, which I will get to, but in the book it is described as a
00:21:49
genetic predisposition.
00:21:51
Maren cannot control herself.
00:21:53
It's a compulsion.
00:21:54
When the feeling comes, she cannot stop it.
00:21:58
The whole time she hates this about herself.
00:22:01
She hates that she chooses people that
00:22:04
like her, she wishes she was more like Lee because he chooses bad people.
00:22:08
Like this is a whole thing that she's struggling with, right?
00:22:12
In the acknowledgement section of the book and then in subsequent interviews that the author did, she basically says that she's a vegan and this book is about meat eaters.
00:22:26
and that they shouldn't look at themselves and realize that they're monsters and should stop.
00:22:31
That's your own prerogative if that is the messaging of your book.
00:22:34
However!
00:22:36
think this is the way to do it by saying you are inherently a monster and you cannot change which is basically how the book ends is that Maren can't change she's just a
00:22:47
monster and it's like if you want people to be on your side if you want people to stop eating meat I don't think I don't think that's the way to do it
00:22:57
Yeah.
00:22:59
Yeah, it was a really weird way to try to get that message across.
00:23:04
was very weird experience reading that book and the ending.
00:23:08
Weird.
00:23:09
Mm-hmm.
00:23:11
So yeah, for the first time in my life, I was like, wow, the movie's way better.
00:23:14
Because at least it gives a reason.
00:23:17
It makes sense why Lee wants her to eat him because he has nothing.
00:23:22
His sister died, you know?
00:23:24
He's already mortally wounded.
00:23:26
His sister died.
00:23:27
He's already said that he would have killed himself if not for his sister.
00:23:30
It kind of gives a reasoning for all of this where in the book, you're just like, why?
00:23:35
It goes against everything that we've learned about these characters.
00:23:38
Yeah.
00:23:39
I don't know.
00:23:40
It's very interesting.
00:23:42
And the fact that you had to like explain it at the end is like really
00:23:48
don't know, maybe other people got that from the book.
00:23:51
I did not.
00:23:53
Until I read the acknowledgments and I was like, wait, what?
00:23:56
That's what this was about?
00:23:59
Yeah, that's weird.
00:24:01
I thought it was more of like a manifestation or like a personification of childhood trauma.
00:24:08
I think Timothy Chalamet said that too, that it was like, it's just like representation of trauma.
00:24:17
Yeah, which I think Luca Guadagnino definitely took the movie in a little bit of a different way when it comes to that messaging.
00:24:26
But yeah, even when I was reading the book, I thought it was more not only about generational trauma, but about like intimacy issues and that type of a thing, because
00:24:37
that's what her focus was on, was like anytime someone got close to her, she kind of lashed out.
00:24:43
And so that's...
00:24:44
what I was thinking it was more about until the end and then I was like wait what's happening?
00:24:52
Yeah it was really weird.
00:24:56
Yeah, weird.
00:24:56
Okay, well.
00:24:58
Yes, so I mean at least it's not a like they live happily ever after in the book.
00:25:04
I wouldn't have minded that.
00:25:05
Yeah, he dies either way.
00:25:07
It's just it makes more sense why in the movie than in the book.
00:25:11
Yeah, not to like spoil anything, but like my only criticism of this movie was that.
00:25:18
they showed the stab.
00:25:21
During the fight scene.
00:25:22
Yeah, him getting stabbed.
00:25:25
It just would have hit a lot harder had you not been like, great, he's going to die because he got stabbed.
00:25:33
You know what I mean?
00:25:34
If he had like if she brought the hair over to him and you see the stab at the same time and like he lost everything all at once, like he just lost his life.
00:25:47
His sister is dead.
00:25:49
Yeah.
00:25:50
had all of that like come together all at the same time and not been sort of like pieced together over that scene.
00:25:54
I would have I think it would have been a little bit more powerful.
00:25:58
That's fair.
00:25:59
I think it, I don't know.
00:26:01
Sometimes I feel like that's a little bit too YA cheesy.
00:26:06
The battle's done and then they look down and there's blood coming from them.
00:26:10
I feel like that's been done a lot, but I do understand what you're saying.
00:26:13
I think it still resonated for me the first time I watched it because yeah, he gets stabbed, but you don't know how serious it is until...
00:26:23
She's like, it's your lung and he's wheezing in the bath.
00:26:25
I think when he comes out of the bathroom, you kind of realize like something's wrong.
00:26:29
Yeah.
00:26:31
Yeah, it's a rough ending.
00:26:34
It is.
00:26:34
Yeah, the sister is almost worse.
00:26:40
Yeah.
00:26:42
I wish we'd gotten a little more of her too.
00:26:44
I liked her.
00:26:45
fair.
00:26:46
The whole movie just kind of came out swinging, didn't it?
00:26:49
Yeah.
00:26:50
Very early.
00:26:54
I...
00:26:55
Not, not super often.
00:26:57
But I mean, occasionally.
00:26:59
This was one of the movies where I did just like audibly.
00:27:03
What the fuck?
00:27:04
The second half finger, the crunch sound.
00:27:07
This is also a sound movie.
00:27:08
There was a lot of sounds.
00:27:10
heavily auditory in terms of the experience of it.
00:27:16
yeah.
00:27:16
And and and for a people eating people like the blood was not the most uncomfortable bodily fluid in this movie.
00:27:25
No, I was actually gonna say this when we talked about our fucked up scoring, but I'll just say it now as a foreshadowing moment.
00:27:33
her snotting, which honestly, I kind of like that you leave that in a movie because it is like very natural that like sometimes that just happens when you're crying.
00:27:43
But it was her wiping it and then wiping her face with the same hand.
00:27:50
I didn't like that at all.
00:27:51
I was like, no.
00:27:53
But yeah, there's a lot of, there's spit, there's snot.
00:27:58
It's a visceral movie.
00:27:59
Yeah.
00:28:00
Sully's like little like his like drooling was actually very good.
00:28:03
But like I have a really terrible core memory of my first not my first my college boyfriend.
00:28:13
bidding on you.
00:28:14
me down and doing that like thing that your older brother does to you where he like spits and then sucks it back up right before it hits your face.
00:28:22
I didn't have an elder brother.
00:28:23
Thank God.
00:28:25
That sounds like a nightmare.
00:28:29
Yeah, I know what you're talking about though.
00:28:31
Did you, I would break up with him that day, personally.
00:28:34
That's just me though.
00:28:35
well.
00:28:36
Yeah.
00:28:37
It was college.
00:28:40
Yeah.
00:28:41
memory.
00:28:41
I can't spit.
00:28:43
can't.
00:28:44
Yeah, that's fair.
00:28:45
Even like dog drool really bothers me.
00:28:48
And I worked in veterinary for a long time.
00:28:50
Not a long time.
00:28:53
I don't do drool, slobber.
00:28:54
But that, but, but solely drooling made sense.
00:29:00
It was, yeah.
00:29:03
Yeah.
00:29:05
It's kind of a gross movie.
00:29:06
Yeah, it's gross.
00:29:07
It is gross.
00:29:09
Yeah, it's pretty though.
00:29:11
Yeah, it's really pretty.
00:29:14
Very well shot, very well acted.
00:29:16
Yeah, not a bad performance in sight.
00:29:19
Which actually they, think Luca Guadagnino did an interview where he talked about how him and Mark Rylance, who plays Sully, talked a lot about the script and about the character.
00:29:32
And when they would do that, they tried to come at it from Sully's point of view, because they were like, we can't just make this an exaggerated villain of this.
00:29:41
know, character almost, caricature.
00:29:46
So yeah, they tried to find that desperation that he's going through and really cling to that rather than focusing on the fact that he's a big weirdo creep.
00:29:55
Yeah.
00:29:57
Which worked, I thought my gray lens did an amazing job.
00:30:00
Very unsettling.
00:30:01
Yes.
00:30:02
And honestly, his his accent was very, just the way he spoke was like endearing.
00:30:08
It was like charming almost, which is like the opposite of how you know, you're supposed to feel about him.
00:30:14
You know?
00:30:15
Yeah.
00:30:18
I liked him.
00:30:18
even in the book, I mean, he's more likeable because she doesn't realize his intentions right away.
00:30:26
Like, she likes him at first.
00:30:30
And even still, was like, in the back of your mind as a reader, you know you shouldn't like him.
00:30:36
Like, you know there's something off about him.
00:30:39
Obviously, I did, because I've...
00:30:41
Well, yeah, but so does she.
00:30:42
So it's, you know, when you're in the mindset of this character who eats people but...
00:30:46
hates that about herself and is trying to change.
00:30:48
It's like you feel sympathy for her.
00:30:51
he, so again, another change that's in the book is they meet in town, but the woman that they eat, she actually meets first, helps her with her groceries.
00:31:03
She goes in and takes a nap and dies in her sleep.
00:31:06
So she's already dead.
00:31:08
It's not like she finds her dying on the floor for a whole day.
00:31:12
Like that's already, that's super sinister, right?
00:31:15
in the movie how she finds this woman is already 10 red flags go up of this guy's just sitting in this woman's house waiting for her to die.
00:31:23
Creepy as fuck.
00:31:25
In the book he doesn't come until after she's dead and then he feeds on her so it's not like as sinister.
00:31:32
So he is much more likeable but you still know you're like, there's something not right.
00:31:37
Yeah.
00:31:39
it sounds like in the book and in the movie, because in the movie, one of the things that I really liked, just very small detail, and this movie is very good at small details, was
00:31:49
like as they're eating her, they're like showing her house and showing pictures of her with her family and like giving her like you're feeling in all the gaps, like, OK, this
00:31:58
woman has like a backstory sort of.
00:32:00
It sounds like they did that in the book, too, where like they get to she gets to meet her before she dies.
00:32:05
Yeah, you find out.
00:32:07
You really come to like her actually for the chapter and a half that she's alive and then, yeah.
00:32:14
But it's also, you know, she just dies of old age.
00:32:16
It's not this traumatic thing.
00:32:19
She just takes a nap and she's done and that's okay.
00:32:22
But.
00:32:23
Yeah.
00:32:25
Yikes.
00:32:27
It's a heavy movie.
00:32:29
Yeah.
00:32:30
Although I will say you say you cry during this one.
00:32:33
Mm-hmm.
00:32:34
Every time.
00:32:35
I cry today when I watch it with my friend.
00:32:38
I didn't have it me.
00:32:39
was too shocked.
00:32:41
I think if I watched it again, I would cry because I know what's coming and it's sad and it is sad, but I was just...
00:32:50
you predicted that she would eat him.
00:32:51
You knew.
00:32:53
And then when you watched it, did you kind of not know that you went back?
00:32:58
That's why I cry.
00:33:00
No way.
00:33:02
God.
00:33:02
Yeah, it's just.
00:33:04
Yeah.
00:33:05
It was a lot.
00:33:06
It was it was too much.
00:33:08
Yeah, it's very emotional.
00:33:12
I mean, I also cry a really dumb thing.
00:33:14
So it's not saying anything.
00:33:17
I made this joke before we started, but maybe listeners don't know I cry every time I watch E.Z.A.
00:33:22
So like, that's not a sad movie.
00:33:24
And I still sob every single time.
00:33:27
So that's just the type of person I am personally.
00:33:31
I don't know.
00:33:31
There's just some things that hit and resonate.
00:33:34
Have I told you about the one scene in a movie that nobody cries at, but I definitely do.
00:33:39
No, but I just thought of something else that makes you cry that no other human being cries at, so...
00:33:45
You
00:33:47
I'm sure people do.
00:33:49
I know they do, in fact.
00:33:51
Thank you.
00:33:54
No, I shan't.
00:33:57
But if I could just write this ship and tell you about what I'm talking about.
00:34:03
Sure.
00:34:03
Have you seen the movie Fried Green Tomatoes?
00:34:06
No, I don't think so.
00:34:08
Okay, there's a scene in the movie of somebody working in a diner or something.
00:34:13
I've seen it like twice because I can't, I can't, I just can't watch anymore.
00:34:19
It's an old man.
00:34:20
comes in and he sits down and he starts eating and he has a, he's eating from a spoon.
00:34:24
He's eating corn, like corn with a spoon.
00:34:27
He has Parkinson's and so he's shaking and he can't get the food in his mouth.
00:34:32
And he's spilling it on the floor.
00:34:34
my God.
00:34:35
over to help him, but he thinks that she's mad at him.
00:34:39
So he's like, I'm crying.
00:34:42
He's like, I'm so sorry I'll leave.
00:34:45
And it's the saddest fucking scene in cinema.
00:34:51
I never want to see it again.
00:34:53
you think people don't cry at that?
00:34:55
I would cry at that.
00:34:56
That's horrible.
00:34:56
That's so sad.
00:34:58
I've watched that movie with.
00:34:59
We watched it in high school because we read the book.
00:35:01
I was like sobbing and everybody else is like, are you okay?
00:35:05
Like, this is fucking sad.
00:35:08
Why aren't you crying?
00:35:10
You just described the most devastating scene and you think people- that's weird.
00:35:15
I would cry at that.
00:35:16
It like literally I think about it all the time.
00:35:19
I I have a soft spot for like elderly.
00:35:23
But like.
00:35:24
God, yeah, it's soul crushing that scene.
00:35:29
I was not expecting that, because that actually sounds devastating.
00:35:33
No, I cry at the fucking confessional scene in E.Z.A.
00:35:36
where she's like, I kinda hate me.
00:35:39
Or a lot of people hate me.
00:35:41
And I kinda hate me too.
00:35:42
And I cry every time.
00:35:44
And it's a joke, because there's no one on the other side of confessional.
00:35:47
It's a punchline.
00:35:49
And I'm sitting there sobbing every time.
00:35:53
that's funny.
00:35:58
So yeah, I'm definitely not judging anybody for crying over dumb stuff.
00:36:02
But this movie's genuinely sad.
00:36:04
It's a heartbreaking ending.
00:36:07
And again...
00:36:08
go ahead.
00:36:09
was just so scared, like, I was just like, not scared, but like in shock the whole movie.
00:36:14
I didn't have any other capacity for emotion.
00:36:17
That's fair.
00:36:19
But yeah, even the way he shoots it, which is kind of similar to when they're eating the woman and it's showing like these snapshots of the house.
00:36:25
It's like while she's eating him and it's just snapshots of the blood and like the sheets and everything.
00:36:30
And it's just, ugh.
00:36:33
It's too much.
00:36:35
I can't handle it, Luca.
00:36:38
Why'd you do that?
00:36:39
Yeah.
00:36:40
Also, twice, because I forgot the first time I had already done it once.
00:36:44
Twice, I looked up to see if Luca Guadagnino is related to...
00:36:49
What's her face?
00:36:52
Giugino.
00:36:53
Carla G.
00:36:54
Yeah, I kept getting their names confused.
00:36:57
I was like, wait, wait, he has to be related to somebody.
00:36:59
Like, wait, it's that one lady, right?
00:37:01
I did it twice.
00:37:03
And neither time was he related to her or even had the same last name.
00:37:08
He's Italian.
00:37:09
Yeah, she's not, not.
00:37:12
No.
00:37:14
Yeah, but a lot of it kind of similar to Flanagan who uses Carla Gugino.
00:37:18
Gugino?
00:37:21
I always forget.
00:37:22
I'm so sorry.
00:37:23
Anyways.
00:37:26
Yeah, me and Carla, we go way back to spy kids.
00:37:30
I'm
00:37:31
But yeah, he uses a lot of the same people.
00:37:34
He's worked with a lot of the people in this movie on other projects.
00:37:38
Like, Timothee Chalamet did Call Me By Your Name.
00:37:43
Jessica Harper is in this.
00:37:45
She plays...
00:37:47
Marin's grandmother, she was in the remake of Suspiria, which Luca did.
00:37:56
I know Chloé Sauvignon has also worked with him, I believe.
00:38:00
I saw her name in the credits.
00:38:03
Yes, he did.
00:38:04
Yeah.
00:38:05
Yeah, I I had to Wikipedia this one a little bit because I I was worried about sounds After that first scene I saw her name and I and I was waiting for Chloe Grace Moretz to
00:38:19
show up
00:38:20
Different Chloe.
00:38:21
Yeah, she did not.
00:38:24
Yeah.
00:38:25
I also think that Chloe Savigny, is that how you say it?
00:38:28
I think so.
00:38:30
looks a lot like that one lady on
00:38:33
Serenade live?
00:38:35
Which one?
00:38:36
The one that looks like Chloe Savini.
00:38:40
Yeah, you know.
00:38:41
No, I don't.
00:38:43
That didn't help.
00:38:45
Shoot, what does she do?
00:38:47
I think they're both sort of like actresses who are in a lot of movies, but it's like, what is she in?
00:38:53
You know what mean?
00:38:54
Hold on.
00:38:56
I mean.
00:38:58
Kate McKinnon.
00:39:00
That was not who I thought you were gonna say.
00:39:03
I didn't know that's why I was confu- I thought it was gonna be someone I didn't really know very well.
00:39:08
Am I
00:39:12
They're both blonde.
00:39:14
Yeah, we both have the same face shape.
00:39:18
Okay.
00:39:20
I see it.
00:39:21
I believe that you see it.
00:39:24
Maybe somebody will agree with me.
00:39:25
know one person who I can get to agree with me.
00:39:28
our face-blind friend, Michelle?
00:39:33
Yeah, probably.
00:39:35
OG podcast fans know Michelle.
00:39:38
That's true, she was on our 25th episode.
00:39:41
It was way back.
00:39:44
Speaking of her...
00:39:46
Guess.
00:39:47
Chloe, not Michelle.
00:39:52
Yeah, or Kate McKinnon.
00:39:55
She actually said that in interview, Luca Guadagnino asked her to play a small but pivotal role in this movie.
00:40:02
And she said, I'll come for you even if it's one line.
00:40:04
And then she showed up and was like, it's actually just one line.
00:40:10
I mean, it was one line of like on camera dialogue, but it was like a whole paragraph.
00:40:17
the voiceover of the letter she gives her, yeah.
00:40:20
Yeah, for sure.
00:40:23
That was another, like my jaw dropped when I saw her arms.
00:40:27
Nice little detail.
00:40:29
Yeah.
00:40:29
I almost wish that.
00:40:31
Marin didn't say anything about it because like it was implied.
00:40:35
Yeah, I don't think she needed to.
00:40:38
I don't think in the book they ever say outright that that's what he did, because it's just the dad.
00:40:44
And I think it's only one hand in the book.
00:40:51
But yeah, she talks more to his orderly in the book.
00:40:56
Who's a man who then tries to get Maren to eat him.
00:40:59
That's a whole separate side plot that was not in the
00:41:03
Not in the movie at all.
00:41:04
But yeah, yeah.
00:41:06
He, yeah.
00:41:07
a kink kind of thing.
00:41:10
No...
00:41:12
It didn't really come off that way to me.
00:41:15
A lot of people were confused because he never outright says it either.
00:41:20
So a lot of people, when I was reading reviews and stuff afterwards, thought that he was implying sex, but I don't think that that's what it was.
00:41:28
Because he very clearly talks about how he knows about her dad.
00:41:32
Like they've talked.
00:41:34
And he's read his journals and stuff.
00:41:36
So the orderly knows that the dad eats people.
00:41:40
knows that he suspects his daughter does too.
00:41:43
And so I think her reactions to what he's reading, he realizes that she is like her dad.
00:41:48
And then he like, takes her to his house afterwards, because she's already split with Lee at this point.
00:41:55
And so he's like, I'll take care of you because the hospital wants to call like Child Protective Services because Marin's only 16 in the book.
00:42:03
She's not 18.
00:42:04
Yeah.
00:42:04
Okay.
00:42:05
Yeah, so that's a whole nother thing too.
00:42:07
But then yeah, at his house he's like talking about how like...
00:42:11
he yeah he basically just implies that he wants that's how he wants to go out it's it's very strange yeah and then i think it's implied that sully eats him i don't it's yeah it's
00:42:24
also a very like not they don't spell that out at all like she just finds his car when she leaves sully's house because then she goes to sully's house he attacks her
00:42:33
and then she gets away from him.
00:42:34
But anyway, it's like, yeah, it's very different.
00:42:39
But she finds his car and is basically like, I guess he got what he wanted.
00:42:42
So it's like implied, I think.
00:42:45
I don't know.
00:42:46
the dad too.
00:42:46
Did he go and eat the dad?
00:42:47
Because that would be his son, right?
00:42:51
he says in the book that he's going after Marin because he can't get to her dad, because he's in the hospital.
00:42:59
So he's purposefully going after her because he likes to his family members and he can't eat one of them, so he's going after her instead.
00:43:07
Yeah.
00:43:08
I I should read the book.
00:43:11
I mean, I recommend the first.
00:43:14
270 pages?
00:43:18
I've written it for the last 30 pages it gets a little rough, a little confusing and weird but that's where it lost me but that's okay.
00:43:28
Yeah.
00:43:29
Hi.
00:43:30
Well, we haven't done a lot of fun facts, should we?
00:43:33
That's true.
00:43:33
We've kind of just like high, high, high level talked about it in the book.
00:43:39
Yeah, give me a fun fact.
00:43:41
That's not really fun, but the crew was burglarized
00:43:45
It
00:43:47
They, I guess they got like, I don't know how it works exactly, but they got like $50 in, I guess, in insurance payout from the Cincinnati City Council because they were
00:43:55
filming in Cincinnati.
00:43:57
I don't know if that's how much they were burglarized for, but that's...
00:44:03
violating
00:44:04
Yeah, who, what did they steal?
00:44:07
Yeah, I don't know.
00:44:09
And why?
00:44:10
Yeah.
00:44:14
Yeah.
00:44:14
Honestly.
00:44:16
That's why you had to wear shorts in the last two shots.
00:44:20
They actually talk a lot about, or Timothy does talk a lot about, how they sort of developed the...
00:44:30
What's the word I'm looking for?
00:44:32
Look.
00:44:33
Styling.
00:44:35
wardrobe, wardrobe for Lee and how it was like, you know, he may be wearing something one day and not the next day and like the vibe is always changing and it's very, you know, not
00:44:51
gender conforming and what's the word I'm looking for?
00:44:53
What's that?
00:44:53
What's that word?
00:44:55
androgynous?
00:44:56
Androgynous.
00:44:57
Thank you.
00:44:59
And he's like just like sort of collecting pieces from the people that he consumes.
00:45:05
Yeah, that's what it felt like, very thrifted.
00:45:08
You just found this on the side of the road.
00:45:11
I mean, in the last scene, he's just wearing like a little periwinkle blouse.
00:45:16
It's adorable.
00:45:18
I love his wardrobe in this.
00:45:19
Yes, same.
00:45:21
But no, they clearly put a lot of thought and attention into it and I liked that.
00:45:25
Yeah.
00:45:27
and Sully was wearing a Nostromo crew hat from Alien, which I didn't notice I had to go back and look.
00:45:36
But that's fun.
00:45:37
fun.
00:45:39
We love a nod.
00:45:41
Yeah.
00:45:42
Can I just say, their depiction of Spot on.
00:45:49
This movie takes place in the 80s.
00:45:51
To this day, that's still what Iowa looks like.
00:45:56
No development, still just cornfields.
00:45:58
Yeah, my note on the scene of...
00:46:02
What is it?
00:46:02
IA, right?
00:46:05
Where it says IA.
00:46:06
You know how, every location that they're at in this movie, they do the state abbreviation or whatever.
00:46:12
The Iowa one, my only note is Iowa equals corn.
00:46:16
Mm-hmm.
00:46:18
Yeah, and it sounds like Luca was a little...
00:46:20
He was a little tied up in Americans...
00:46:23
I think his idea of what we think about corn is a little...
00:46:28
I mean, I never lived in the Midwest, so I don't know.
00:46:30
That's how people in the Midwest think about corn.
00:46:34
The Nebraska college football team is called the Huskers.
00:46:38
And then we get in like, interstate fights because Nebraska thinks that they rule the corn and they don't.
00:46:44
Iowa has been the number one producer of corn for a while now.
00:46:49
Anyways.
00:46:51
Yeah, he's Italian.
00:46:52
He didn't understand the corn-fed mentality.
00:46:57
Well, I mean, he tried, right?
00:46:58
I mean, he put several scenes of cornfield and he went out of his way in the grocery store that so the grocery store scenes were shot in a warehouse that had really beautiful
00:47:11
windows and and they were able to find some 80s retail items that they were able to put on the shelving.
00:47:17
But Luca went out of his way to put this like basket of corn.
00:47:25
It looks like a trash can you buy from IKEA now of corn at the register of the grocery store, which I don't.
00:47:37
It was like the epitome of the meme where they're like, he's a little confused, but he's got the spirit.
00:47:43
That's weird, not just displaying it, but yeah, Midwest, love corn, big fan.
00:47:50
think corn is one of the five C's of Arizona.
00:47:54
Copper, cattle, climate, citrus.
00:47:59
I think.
00:48:03
Yikes.
00:48:04
I could be wrong.
00:48:05
Wait, let me look.
00:48:07
Copper cow, cotton, citrus climate.
00:48:09
What did I not say?
00:48:10
Cotton?
00:48:12
Cotton.
00:48:13
I think I've made that mistake before.
00:48:15
Yeah.
00:48:17
Arizona doesn't seem like a place where corn would thrive, but...
00:48:22
We do have corn here and it grows substantially faster and drier than yours, because yours is knee high by 4th of July.
00:48:33
Ours is done by March.
00:48:36
It's already harvested.
00:48:38
Ew.
00:48:39
Mm-hmm.
00:48:41
Yeah, it's more of like a springtime thing here because it's so fucking hot.
00:48:44
Yeah, but I guess that makes sense.
00:48:46
Yeah, we're just a little ahead of you in terms of season.
00:48:49
Yeah.
00:48:52
Yeah.
00:48:54
Well.
00:48:56
I don't actually know that much about corn, if I'm being honest.
00:49:00
Yeah, so I when you are.
00:49:02
I was born in Colorado.
00:49:05
I'm not even from there.
00:49:08
She doesn't even go here.
00:49:10
Yeah
00:49:12
Aye, aye.
00:49:14
I don't know if this is in the book or if it's a movie thing, but Marin's birth certificate says she was born in Wisconsin.
00:49:19
And Wisconsin is the home of both Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gein.
00:49:26
Gein?
00:49:28
Gein.
00:49:29
Cannibals.
00:49:31
Cannibals well Ed King denies that he was a cannibal.
00:49:34
He just had furniture made out of body parts.
00:49:36
That's different
00:49:38
Do know the three movies that credit Ed Gein as inspiration?
00:49:45
Chainsaw Masker.
00:49:47
Correct?
00:49:49
Typically you say Texas in front of that, but I'll give it to you.
00:49:53
Yeah, it's Texas.
00:49:56
Silence of the Lambs.
00:49:59
Thank you so much.
00:50:02
people, people wearing people, bodies.
00:50:05
Dune.
00:50:07
No, I'm kidding.
00:50:09
Can you imagine?
00:50:10
It's psycho.
00:50:11
yeah.
00:50:12
really?
00:50:12
There's no...
00:50:14
well, guess there's a stuffed body.
00:50:16
Yeah, think it's more the taxidermy and just like killing people.
00:50:19
Yeah.
00:50:22
Wow, so he was from a long time ago.
00:50:24
If psycho is a reflection, inspiration, had him as an inspiration.
00:50:31
Yeah, 1906 is when he was born.
00:50:34
Wow!
00:50:36
He'd be 120.
00:50:38
He died, but...
00:50:40
But that's why I said he would be 120.
00:50:42
Well, you never know.
00:50:44
I think I do, actually.
00:50:48
was waiting for you to push back on that.
00:50:50
I was like, no way she's gonna let me get away with that.
00:50:54
I...
00:50:56
Okay.
00:50:58
man, old motherfucker.
00:51:00
In prison?
00:51:01
Yeah.
00:51:04
okay.
00:51:05
That makes more sense.
00:51:08
Speaking of silence, the haircut.
00:51:11
Marin's haircut was directly influenced by someone that Clarice interviews in, I forget the character, a minor character.
00:51:22
Stacey Hupka.
00:51:23
Yes, thank you.
00:51:24
In Silence of the Lambs.
00:51:27
Fun!
00:51:27
Yeah, it's a Kilo car back.
00:51:30
Silence is a perfect movie.
00:51:31
Almost.
00:51:33
Yeah, if you're gonna include a nod to a horror movie.
00:51:36
feel like silence makes more sense in this than alien does, but to each their own.
00:51:41
Yeah.
00:51:42
Two very great franchises.
00:51:44
Movies.
00:51:45
Yeah, fantastic films.
00:51:47
Mm-hmm.
00:51:48
Yeah.
00:51:49
This was also a Metron- Metro- Metron- Metro- Goldwyn- film like Hannibal and it was the first cannibalism film by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayor since 2001.
00:52:02
Hannibal.
00:52:05
Hannibal.
00:52:07
Correct, yeah.
00:52:08
That's a fun fact.
00:52:09
It's a fact.
00:52:12
Damn.
00:52:13
Yeah.
00:52:14
I just, it did kinda like win the, this feels like an A24 movie.
00:52:20
This feels like neon A24, like it does not feel like big money Amazon backed film.
00:52:29
You know what I mean?
00:52:31
Which is, I say that lovingly.
00:52:35
That's a good thing.
00:52:37
This is the first Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer film.
00:52:40
Why am I saying that?
00:52:41
Why can't I just say MGM?
00:52:43
Like a normal human being.
00:52:45
you know, I was just gonna let you cook, but you could just say my MGM for sure.
00:52:51
I'd prefer it, but...
00:52:54
Amazing.
00:52:54
This is the first film MGM released after being acquired by Amazon.
00:53:00
Yeah, I mean, to its credit, it was not produced by a big studio.
00:53:05
It was distributed by them.
00:53:07
So it was still, I think, more of a, I don't want to say grassroots, but Luca Guadagnino was already kind of established by this point.
00:53:16
But it was his production company.
00:53:18
And I do feel like it feels like his work.
00:53:23
Like that vibe, you know?
00:53:25
just doesn't feel like a movie that would get picked up by a big production company, you know?
00:53:30
Not to say that A24 and Neon aren't big now, especially, but yeah, it just, it feels like a smaller, more indie movie in the best ways.
00:53:42
Yeah, I feel like if someone told me and I didn't know that this was A24, I'd believe that.
00:53:47
For sure.
00:53:48
Totally.
00:53:50
But yeah, I mean, like I said, 10 minutes standing ovation.
00:53:54
I'm sure people were clamoring to pick this movie up.
00:53:57
And I'm sad that it didn't do as well as it should've.
00:54:01
Yeah, way to go MGM.
00:54:02
They were probably busy with the whole acquisition.
00:54:05
They didn't have time and effort.
00:54:06
Time to put the effort in.
00:54:07
You know what mean?
00:54:08
True.
00:54:10
Any other fun facts?
00:54:13
No, there wasn't a whole lot.
00:54:14
There were a lot of interviews on this one.
00:54:16
I watched a ton, but it was a lot of the same stuff.
00:54:19
And there was a...
00:54:20
It was fun to watch.
00:54:22
If you want to watch it, on YouTube.
00:54:24
Like, behind the scenes compilation.
00:54:26
But it didn't have any commentary or anything.
00:54:28
It was more like how the scenes were shot and stuff, which is still very cool.
00:54:32
Just not really something we can convey in a podcast.
00:54:36
I'll link it in the description...
00:54:38
linky in the screen key.
00:54:40
Love that.
00:54:42
Yeah, I feel like it's hard.
00:54:44
I was surprised though that going through the fun facts on IMDB, there wasn't a lot about the book at all.
00:54:50
But usually people will say, here's what's different, here's what's not.
00:54:54
Well, does it even say in the opening credits, like based on or anywhere based on a novel?
00:55:00
I don't think so.
00:55:01
I don't know, it might say it on the poster or something, but...
00:55:04
Yeah, I don't remember ever seeing that anywhere.
00:55:07
Yeah, I don't think so.
00:55:09
Interesting.
00:55:10
Maybe that's why.
00:55:11
Maybe people don't know.
00:55:12
Well, we're here to tell you.
00:55:14
Well, I think if you read the book, you know.
00:55:17
But if you didn't, then it's like, well, whatever.
00:55:21
Yeah, I don't know.
00:55:22
Well.
00:55:24
Did write it?
00:55:27
Okay.
00:55:29
How scary did you think it was?
00:55:31
I give it a .5.
00:55:34
But I think I might up that to a 1, give it a little point.
00:55:38
Just because I think the scene with him sullied on top of it, very unnerving.
00:55:43
Not necessarily scary, but disturbing.
00:55:47
Didn't like it.
00:55:48
Very uncomfortable.
00:55:50
Is that not fucked up?
00:55:52
I guess.
00:55:54
I don't know, I mean it's your rating.
00:55:56
I'm not trying to influence you either way.
00:55:58
I feel like as a woman it's scary.
00:56:01
You know?
00:56:02
I don't want a man on top of me.
00:56:04
Terrifying.
00:56:06
In that context.
00:56:08
Yeah
00:56:10
How should I clarify?
00:56:12
What about you?
00:56:13
Not even one and a half.
00:56:14
There was some peril and some uncomfiness that I would characterize as scary.
00:56:21
kind of to your point, the spooky man on top of me thing?
00:56:26
On top of her thing?
00:56:29
Um, but overall just kind of a cute little love story with um, eating.
00:56:35
People eating people.
00:56:37
Yeah.
00:56:38
PEP.
00:56:40
Exactly.
00:56:41
How sexy did you think it was?
00:56:42
Okay.
00:56:45
went back and forth because, you know, I mean, mean, people eating people is its own category.
00:56:52
it sort of, you know, it has like a following without saying too much.
00:56:59
but I mean, they did have some vibes and they were just like, they were young, you know, and it just, you know, it just like a lot of conflicting.
00:57:05
was, it was a conflict.
00:57:07
I gave it a two.
00:57:09
Great, yeah.
00:57:12
I give it a 3.5.
00:57:14
A lot of people covered in blood, which I love.
00:57:18
And then I think, you know, the 80s vibes, the slutty little jeans really do it for me, his little mullet.
00:57:26
I think there's a lot of vibes about it that are very sexy, but again, I was conflicted to not give it more because it is a very gross movie as well.
00:57:33
So the sounds and the spit and the snot, that wasn't sexy.
00:57:39
Yeah.
00:57:40
But the vibes?
00:57:42
Gotten sexy.
00:57:45
And I'm gonna need an Ingeborg.
00:57:46
I'll say it, you were dancing around it.
00:57:47
But.
00:57:48
Yeah.
00:57:50
I did a little skirting.
00:57:52
Yeah, I'm not kingshaming.
00:57:55
It's not for me, but like I kind this movie I was like, well I kind of get it actually.
00:58:00
Yeah, okay, fair, fair, fair, fair.
00:58:02
This movie makes eating people seem kinda sexy, I get it.
00:58:05
Yeah, yeah.
00:58:09
Speaking of the mullet, just real quick tangent.
00:58:13
They paid a lot of attention to detail there too.
00:58:17
They couldn't come up with like a color that they liked.
00:58:20
So they found hair dye from the 80s that was still usable and dyed Timothy Chalamet's hair with it.
00:58:27
I love that.
00:58:27
Yeah, it's fun.
00:58:30
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:58:32
I gave it a two.
00:58:34
Okay.
00:58:36
The sound, I mean, we've talked about the sounds, her sticking her hand inside of him, the snot.
00:58:44
No!
00:58:45
No!
00:58:46
Yes.
00:58:47
There were a lot of these little moments that were not great.
00:58:52
They were fun.
00:58:54
But they were a little fucked up.
00:58:56
What about you?
00:58:57
I give it a three and half.
00:58:59
Look at us switching our sexy and fucked up scores.
00:59:02
What does that say about us?
00:59:03
Don't tell us, I don't want to know.
00:59:05
Yeah.
00:59:07
Yikes.
00:59:08
Yeah, it was extremely fucked up and it came out of the gate fucked up.
00:59:11
Like it was it like started and then it just didn't stop, you know, just kind of fucking punching the face with it.
00:59:17
It wasn't it.
00:59:18
Transparently, it wasn't really anything we haven't seen before in horror, except the hand scene, which I really don't want to talk about.
00:59:26
And but like it the way it sort of, you know, gave a little bit of backstory to some of the victims was really.
00:59:33
like effective in like making it fucked up and like the parents getting eaten thing and eating yourself and and the hair rope.
00:59:42
Yeah, was not.
00:59:43
mean, that that's creep factor number one.
00:59:46
And then like eating your lover.
00:59:49
And it was just like a lot of it was like really subtly done and like beautifully done.
00:59:53
But it was just like it just that just made it worse.
00:59:56
You know what mean?
00:59:57
It wasn't like cheesy, any of that.
01:00:00
It was beautifully done.
01:00:01
All of that.
01:00:03
Yeah.
01:00:04
Can I say too about the hair thing in the book?
01:00:07
So he says, I only eat them when they're dead, which I think he says in the movie too.
01:00:14
And kind of implying that like he waits for them to die and then he'll go and eat them.
01:00:18
And she believes that for a very long time, but then her realization comes when she thinks about the rope.
01:00:23
And she's like, there would be a lot more gray hair in it if he actually waited until they died.
01:00:29
shit.
01:00:30
Yeah, so it's like that was kind of a detail in the book that I really liked.
01:00:33
Yeah.
01:00:36
Yep.
01:00:37
Yikes.
01:00:39
Anyways, moving on to the movie, overall, what did you think of Bones and All?
01:00:45
I really liked it.
01:00:47
This movie ate.
01:00:49
Figuratively and literally.
01:00:52
Yeah.
01:00:53
I'm just going to reiterate a lot of the things I already said.
01:00:55
It's not a bad performance in sight.
01:00:58
The direction was impeccable.
01:00:59
A lot of the little choices that were made in the filming and the cinematography and the lighting and the character development and the acting were all perfect, so perfect.
01:01:08
The attention to detail was so good.
01:01:12
I am sad that Timmy died at the end.
01:01:15
is my only gripe.
01:01:16
Did I like that?
01:01:17
Not at all.
01:01:18
Did I understand why it had to happen?
01:01:20
Also not at fucking all.
01:01:21
I don't understand at all why that had to happen.
01:01:23
Just please keep him alive.
01:01:25
So I docked half a point only.
01:01:26
That's all.
01:01:27
It's a four and a half out of five for me.
01:01:30
This tied with Silence of the Lambs for me.
01:01:35
And Silence of the Lambs when we lost half a point because of some of the, you know.
01:01:40
Choices the the the political commentary Yeah, I really liked it I want to watch it again, but like you know like this
01:01:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:54
Yeah.
01:01:55
What'd you give it?
01:01:57
So I watched this movie before I read the book and at that point in time I gave it a 5 out of 5.
01:02:08
I fucking love this movie.
01:02:10
I still love it, but I have since docked half a point because even though I do believe that the movie is superior to the book, which is something I never thought I'd fucking
01:02:20
say, but I do think it did it much better.
01:02:24
But there are some details in the book that I really liked that I wish had made it into the movie.
01:02:28
So that's the only reason why it's not a five out of five for me.
01:02:33
I don't like the fact that he dies in the end, but I wouldn't change that.
01:02:41
But that's because I love to cry in movies.
01:02:42
So that's just me.
01:02:45
So yeah.
01:02:47
No.
01:02:48
I don't cry of happiness.
01:02:51
There's a-
01:02:52
go-to cry movies are Short Term 12 and Blue Valentine, so you watch those and you let me know if I'm crying out of half and I fucking love Blue Valentine.
01:03:00
No.
01:03:03
Yeah, so I don't cry out of happiness.
01:03:04
I cry out of sadness and despair.
01:03:08
Yeah, sure.
01:03:11
Anyways, yeah, so four and a half, we agree!
01:03:12
This is a great movie.
01:03:14
I love this movie.
01:03:15
There's a one in nine chance that we agree.
01:03:17
And we do it a lot.
01:03:21
Nice.
01:03:21
Right, 0.51, 1.52.
01:03:25
There's a one in 10 chance.
01:03:26
That makes more sense.
01:03:28
Since we added the 0.5, now it's a one in 10 chance.
01:03:31
That checks out.
01:03:33
Nice.
01:03:35
Well, would you survive?
01:03:37
I guess so.
01:03:39
If you're in the main character shoes.
01:03:43
you're living so but also I think you either live with it or you kms was kind of the
01:03:55
prerogative and I might Be on the opposite side of the spectrum she was in that regard So no, I'm not I I'm I don't I don't live sorry, I don't live
01:04:10
We switched it up there at the end.
01:04:12
I really thought we were going in different direction.
01:04:17
Damn.
01:04:17
That's rough.
01:04:23
Yeah, I think I live.
01:04:25
okay.
01:04:25
You can live with yourself.
01:04:28
I think so, because in the movie...
01:04:31
Like there's the option of waiting until someone dies and then eating them, which I think is a little bit more morally justified than the killings of the peoples.
01:04:43
And also I am alive now and have the knowledge you have to lock your doors.
01:04:50
So I think that could have solved a lot of problems they had there in the end, but it was the 80s and nobody locks their doors in the 80s.
01:04:59
Yeah, that's true.
01:05:01
Wait, a question.
01:05:02
me and Lee are living happily ever after.
01:05:05
Good.
01:05:06
Good.
01:05:07
Excellent.
01:05:09
Question about the book.
01:05:11
Does she, do they all have that like memory loss and then that comes back kind of thing?
01:05:18
Or like what's with like the memory loss?
01:05:21
What do mean memory loss?
01:05:22
Like she doesn't remember all of the eatings that she has done until she turns 18 and she starts like remembering some of the things and then like her dad is like filling in the
01:05:33
gaps, you know?
01:05:35
I...
01:05:36
well, I don't know if it's necessarily that she doesn't remember it.
01:05:39
It's more like he's explaining why he's leaving.
01:05:42
I don't think she remembers like her first time with the babysitter and stuff exactly in the movie, but in the book she remembers pretty much everything.
01:05:51
There's like chapters that flash back and chronicle people that she's killed, so...
01:05:56
yeah, no, she...
01:05:58
she doesn't have any memory loss.
01:05:59
It is very...
01:06:00
it doesn't go into details when she kills people.
01:06:04
Mm-hmm.
01:06:04
It's almost like a fade to black type of thing.
01:06:07
Like it's implied that that's what happened and then the aftermath you see, not, it doesn't go into details of her actually eating them.
01:06:16
Okay, interesting.
01:06:17
I was wondering if that was like part of the affliction is that like you don't have any memory of it until you turn 18 and then suddenly it's like you got to like figure it out
01:06:24
on your own kind of thing.
01:06:26
No, no, she knows what she's doing.
01:06:28
And that's like in the book, she there's no incident that causes the mom to leave like she does in the book.
01:06:36
Well, it's...
01:06:37
like even says she hasn't done it in six months, so she doesn't understand why her mom just left.
01:06:43
yeah, because in the movie she's like, yeah, it was around the time you were three.
01:06:45
And the last time we heard them talking about she was three was when she killed the babysitter.
01:06:50
Yeah, yeah.
01:06:52
Yeah, in the book, she's killed other people since, like she's had other incidents of that.
01:06:58
And they've had to move every time and stuff.
01:07:01
And so I think it's just a point where the mom was just waiting for her to turn 16, because she felt that that was an appropriate age to be on your own.
01:07:09
So there's like also that whole thing of, she doesn't know if her mom actually ever loved her, if she was just trying to minimize the damage that she did.
01:07:16
Yeah.
01:07:18
And she actually goes and finds her mom in the book too.
01:07:21
She like goes and sees her at her mom's grandparents' house.
01:07:26
But she doesn't go and talk to her.
01:07:28
She just leaves.
01:07:29
Sad, one of those, huh?
01:07:31
Yeah.
01:07:33
Hmm.
01:07:34
Well, great film.
01:07:37
Great film.
01:07:38
Mid-book.
01:07:40
It is a good book until the end.
01:07:42
It's just a very disappointing ending when you've seen the movie already.
01:07:45
Yeah.
01:07:46
Aye, aye.
01:07:48
Yeah.
01:07:48
Well, before we go, it's time for you to predict next week's movie.
01:07:53
We mentioned at the beginning, it's actually a request from Michelle, who we've mentioned multiple times this episode.
01:08:01
Yes, Michelle requested it.
01:08:03
She said she doesn't really remember it, but she wants you to watch it.
01:08:08
So, predict Mandy.
01:08:10
Okay, Mandy stars.
01:08:13
that one guy whose middle name is Reese.
01:08:17
Jonathan Rhys-Meyers.
01:08:18
Yes.
01:08:20
Great.
01:08:21
think, who plays a man who finds a woman named Mandy and wishes to pursue her because she's very beautiful.
01:08:35
And, it turns out that she's actually not real.
01:08:43
She is a ghost.
01:08:46
that he is, yes, well, it's funny.
01:08:50
It's a comedy.
01:08:51
Yeah, yeah.
01:08:55
A ghost that he has sort of like conjured because he kills someone accidentally.
01:09:04
So he accidentally kills someone and because of that, he gets a ghost.
01:09:10
Is it the person he killed?
01:09:13
okay.
01:09:14
It's another ghost.
01:09:16
He's assigned a ghost.
01:09:17
they explain it in the movie.
01:09:19
You get assigned a like, okay, you're being haunted now.
01:09:25
Ghost.
01:09:26
And it's not always the person that you killed.
01:09:29
And that's part of the like comedy of it is like, wow, I really wish I could have had the old lady that I accidentally hit with my car.
01:09:37
Versus you.
01:09:38
Yeah, but then he falls in love with her.
01:09:40
Her name's Mandy.
01:09:42
And they begin a ghost human relationship, interspecies relationship, essentially.
01:09:55
And yeah, they they he has to overcome, you know, introducing her to like his family and stuff.
01:10:05
And yeah, but it works out.
01:10:08
It works out in that she has to leave.
01:10:12
And then he finds a human that reminds him of her.
01:10:16
Great.
01:10:17
Yep, Mandy.
01:10:19
Mandy.
01:10:21
That's it.
01:10:21
That's the movie.
01:10:23
That's the movie.
01:10:25
But it isn't.
01:10:27
Nope.
01:10:29
Yeah.
01:10:31
Sorry.
01:10:32
That's okay.
01:10:33
It was a long shot.
01:10:34
It was.
01:10:35
I understand your line of thinking with the Jonathan Rhys Myers though, because she did think that we were watching a movie with him in it the other day and we were not.
01:10:45
So I see that you probably thought she thought of the movie that she watched with him that she was thinking about.
01:10:50
That's not what happened.
01:10:51
No, this was a separate endeavor altogether.
01:10:56
Yeah, well.
01:10:57
But I'm excited to watch it, it's been a while since I've seen it and you'll be happy to know that it stars Nicolas Cage.
01:11:02
Really?
01:11:05
Yes it does.
01:11:06
I didn't realize he was in horror movies this much.
01:11:10
yeah, Scream King.
01:11:12
Wow, who knew?
01:11:13
Everyone else.
01:11:14
I guess so.
01:11:17
But yeah, we love it.
01:11:20
We love requests.
01:11:22
We're happy to take them.
01:11:23
Is it a comedy?
01:11:24
Can you tell me that much?
01:11:26
It's not supposed to be.
01:11:28
Okay.
01:11:31
Yeah, I can imagine with the cage.
01:11:33
Yeah.
01:11:35
Okay, well, cool.
01:11:38
Yeah, we'll see everybody next Tuesday.
01:11:43
We shall.
01:11:43
We'll see you next Tuesday for Mandy.
01:11:45
Please let us know in the comments if there's a movie you want us to review.
01:11:50
We'll do it.
01:11:52
I'll add it to the calendar.
01:11:55
Let us know what you liked better, the mullet or the slutty little jeans and bones and all.
01:12:00
both.
01:12:02
You can say both.
01:12:04
If you say neither, you're banned, but that's okay.
01:12:09
You do have to choose one or the other or both.
01:12:12
At least one.
01:12:14
Yes.
01:12:15
I'll even give you like the little grandma cardigans he wears, his blouses.
01:12:19
That's an option as well.
01:12:22
And then have a happy Valentine's Day.
01:12:26
god, yes!
01:12:27
Happy Valentine's Day to all!
01:12:29
This was a love story.
01:12:30
this was the romantic movie I picked in honor of Valentine's Day.
01:12:33
Yeah, that checks out now in hindsight.
01:12:37
Yeah.
01:12:38
I can't wait for our next people eating people movie called...
01:12:43
What's it called?
01:12:45
I don't know what you're thinking of.
01:12:49
It's called...
01:12:51
The skin I live in.
01:12:54
Great.
01:12:56
You've never seen that.
01:12:58
I won't confirm nor deny if that is a cannibalistic movie.
01:13:02
But you'll find out in a while, because that's quite a ways away.
01:13:07
yeah, now you got everybody excited.
01:13:10
Should I move it up?
01:13:13
Okay.
01:13:14
Yeah.
01:13:15
Yeah, we'll give you time to marinate on that before we do it.
01:13:20
But yeah, we'll see you next week for Mandy.
01:13:21
Thank you guys so much for listening.
01:13:22
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01:13:26
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01:13:30
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