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In this episode, Kd and Cassidy celebrate the holiday season while discussing their favorite movies of 2024 and diving into an in-depth review of the psychological horror film 'Better Watch Out'. They share their rankings, insights, and personal experiences related to the films they watched throughout the year, culminating in a detailed analysis of the chosen movie. In this conversation, Cassidy and Kd delve into the complexities of character dynamics in horror films, particularly focusing on the portrayal of evil children and the moral dilemmas faced by the characters. They discuss the film's unique take on horror tropes, the significance of character development, and the impact of cultural references. The conversation also touches on themes of misogyny, the role of supporting characters, and the influence of classic films like Home Alone. Through their analysis, they explore how these elements contribute to the overall narrative and viewer experience. In this conversation, the hosts discuss various aspects of a holiday horror film, including casting choices, character comparisons, and the effectiveness of comedic tropes in television. They rate the film on its scariness, sexuality, and overall impression, while also reflecting on their own survival instincts in horror scenarios. The discussion wraps up with predictions for the next film they will review, The Blackcoat’s Daughter.
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I'm your number one fan.
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We all go a little mad sometimes.
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Whatever you do, don't fall asleep.
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Have an excellent day for an ex-a-fiddle.
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Bye, mom and dad!
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I see dead people.
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Hello?
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Hi!
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Happy Tuesday!
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It's very abrupt. Usually you give it a minute.
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No, not today.
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Yeah. I like it. Happy Tuesday. If you celebrate, happy Christmas Eve.
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Oh yeah.
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That's when this episode comes out, so...
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There we go.
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It's the holidays.
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It sure is.
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Tomorrow Nosferatu comes out. Congrats to all who celebrate that as well.
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Yes. Congrats to all the Christians and all the people who celebrate Nosferatu.
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But no, really. Happy holiday season. We're in it now. We're in the thick of it.
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We sure are. It's in the thick of it. By the time this comes out, I'll be done with my holiday celebrations.
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Yep. Fun.
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Well, we picked a good movie for it.
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Yeah. It's totally by coincidence. I didn't do that on purpose at all.
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Yeah.
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We're here to talk about Better Watch Out.
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Mm-hmm.
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2016 film.
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We are. But first, no news.
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Boo.
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We're newsless.
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Boo news.
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Boo news. We hate news.
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Why do we keep doing it?
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I'm just kidding. I don't hate news. It's just like, I hate trying to find news.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, that's okay. What are we doing instead?
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Oh, we're going to... So we watched a new movie every month this year.
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12 movies that released in 2024. So we're going to rank them.
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Hooray.
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We're going to tell you guys what the best movies of 2024 are that we watched. Calm down.
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That we watched.
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We watched for the podcast, yes.
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Yes.
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Do you want to go first?
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Yeah. You want me to just like go?
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Yeah. How should we do this? Should we both say like, are 12s, 11s, 10s, 9s? Or should one of us go and then the other one go?
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I think one of us should go and then the other one should go.
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Great. You should go first then.
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Hate that.
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Well, you do the review, so.
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Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Number 12 should be unsurprising and I think is in line with yours. Night Swim.
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Hot take. Hot take.
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That's not a hot take.
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No, it's not at all.
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Night Swim sucked.
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Night Swim was really bad, yeah.
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Followed by Stop Motion, surprisingly. That movie just didn't stick with me at all.
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Yeah. That's all way down on your list.
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Yeah. I mean, it had the mixed media thing, which was kind of cool, but that's about all that stuck out.
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It's there. It's been a long time since we saw it.
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Yeah, that too. It deserves a rewatch.
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And speaking of rewatch, I would also rewatch Watchers, which is my number 10 for a movie of 2024.
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I think we were a little nitpicky.
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You know what? I was thinking the same thing because it's on HBO Max and I was like, I should rewatch this, right?
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Because I remember the atmosphere was so cool. Yeah.
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Like the vibe was good. And then I just thought about the second half and was like, no, no, we were right.
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I think it's worth one more watch. I'm going to watch it one more time.
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I respect it.
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Thank you.
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Number nine best for movies 2024 that we watched Night Bitch.
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OK. Has its place in the world.
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Yeah. But pretty low on the list.
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Yeah. Speak No Evil 2024.
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I liked it more than you did.
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You did. I think.
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I think almost everybody liked it more than I did.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think separate of its counterpart, it is still a good film.
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Number seven, Cuckoo.
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OK.
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Followed by or below Long Legs at number six.
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OK.
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And then at number five, Arcadian.
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OK.
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Yeah. Nicholas Cage, very well known and respected for his middle of the list movies.
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So that's where he sits, Arcadian and Long Legs.
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I will not tolerate National Treasure or Pig Slender.
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Thank you very much. I have a list movies.
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I haven't seen Pig, but you're right.
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National Treasure is a national treasure.
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Pig is, I think, the best performance I've seen him do.
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Really?
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I think so.
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OK. Everybody says I should watch it.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever seen the one that's about him?
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It's like him playing himself, sort of.
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Oh, no, I haven't seen it yet.
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I do have it on my watch list, but it's my screen saver or not my screen.
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My background.
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And I don't even know what it's called, but Dylan was like, we should watch that again.
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It's like the immense weight of some talent, something.
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Immense talent. The.
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Unbearable weight of massive talent.
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Massive talent.
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The.
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Leave us a comment about what that movie is called.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's that.
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Unbearable weight of massive talent.
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That sounds right.
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OK, number four.
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Heretic.
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OK, I really liked heretic and I think it was the wine and dine of it all.
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But you know what?
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If that's what it takes to get me to watch a movie and like it, then do it more.
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OK, top three at number three.
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I saw the TV glow.
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OK, excellent.
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I'll take top three.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, obviously it's in the top three.
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I think you're going to be surprised by the next two.
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Number two.
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Well, I'm not because I'm looking at my list.
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I know which ones you haven't said.
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Number two.
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Lisa Frankenstein.
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And number one, smile too.
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Fuck, smile too, slaps.
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It's a great movie.
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I approve of the top three.
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Thank you.
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It's valid.
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We actually had more in common than I thought we would.
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Oh, good.
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Quite a few in the exact same placement.
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OK.
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At number 12, I had long…
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No, I'm kidding.
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Can you imagine?
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Jesus.
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It wasn't that bad.
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It was obviously Night Swim.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, Night Swim was trash.
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Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
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Bad, bad.
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Blumhouse, do not ever do that to us again.
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No, they will.
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And they just keep will.
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They will keep me.
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They just keep will.
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Every time.
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They just keep will.
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They just keep will.
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They just keep will.
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And I hate them.
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Damn it.
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At number 11, speaking of evil remake, I just don't care about that movie.
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I'm sorry.
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I never want to watch it again.
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There was no reason for it.
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No reason.
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No reason.
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No.
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At number 10, exactly where you had it, The Watchers.
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Wow.
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Again, just the most exposition I've ever seen in a film.
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It was crazy.
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It was craziness.
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And for what?
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It's like if, it's like if, if, what's that movie called?
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Quiet Place, they're like, don't talk.
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And then they just do.
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Yes.
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You know?
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Yes.
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If he was like, shh, guys, we can't talk as it's got its finger.
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That's what The Watchers was.
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Number nine, exactly where you had it, Night Bitch.
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Night Bitch, yay.
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Okay.
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I thought Amy Adams was great.
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I mean, we just talked about this last episode.
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It just, it wasn't for me.
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And it did make me want to read the book though.
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I still have it on my list.
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I'm going to read it.
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Good.
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At number eight, I have Arcadian.
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I'm sorry.
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That's great.
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Yeah.
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It just, it just didn't, there was too much lacking plot wise for me.
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Yeah.
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Had potential.
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Didn't follow up on it.
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It was just so pretty.
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Fair.
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At number seven, another movie that was beautifully shot, but just didn't plot wise do it for
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me was Cuckoo.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I love Hunter Shae Furnett.
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She was fantastic.
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It's just, last act, not good.
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Yeah.
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At number six, I actually had Stop Motion.
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Okay.
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I feel like I remember it a lot more than you.
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Yeah.
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But I remember enjoying it.
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I really liked the Stop Motion, I just remember I wish there was more of that.
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But that's another one that I would like to give a rewatch too.
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Okay.
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At number five, I have Long Legs.
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As much as I shit talked it, it was not a bad movie.
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And I said that in our episode.
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I know, I was surprised that I put it higher than you.
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Yeah.
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To be fair, it's not even in my top 10 of overall movies that I've seen this year.
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But I think it's like top 15.
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So that's fair.
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Out of, I want to say I have like 50 movies that I've seen.
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Damn.
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Yeah.
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There's a couple more I want to get to.
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At number four, Heretic.
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Hooray.
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Yes.
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I know.
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Yeah, our top four, all the same movies.
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A little bit different order.
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But Heretic, yeah, I enjoyed it.
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We'll always refer to pre-basement, post-basement, but you know, it'd be like that.
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At number three, this is so funny.
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We just, do you want to guess?
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I think three is Smile 2, two is Lisa Frankentine, one is I Saw a TV Glow.
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We just switched on one and two.
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Yeah.
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Backwards, backwards.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Three is Smile 2 for me, two is Lisa Frankentine, and number one is I Saw the TV Glow.
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And that is my number one out of all 15 that I've watched.
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I really didn't think, so when we watched that back in May, I really thought there were
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so many movies that were so highly anticipated.
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I did not think that it would stay number one.
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But you haven't seen Nosferatu yet.
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That's true.
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That movie looks like it's going to fuck.
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So I'm excited.
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I hope it's not one of those marketing things like Long Legs.
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Yeah.
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I'll give it to it though.
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Long Legs had amazing marketing.
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It did.
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The hype was real.
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Did you see the interview with, oh wait, I think you sent me the interview where Bill
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Skarsgård was talking about how the interviewer asked him if he knew that a lot of people's
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first introduction to Nosferatu was through SpongeBob.
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Yes.
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It was Nicholas Holt.
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Oh, it was Nicholas Holt.
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Yes.
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You're right.
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You're right.
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Yes.
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He's like, I didn't know that, but that's great.
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Nosferatu.
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He's just flicking the lights.
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Yep.
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I mean, that was my first introduction.
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Same.
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100%.
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I was like, who's this weird little guy?
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Love him.
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And now we're getting a Nicholas Holt, Bill Skarsgård movie.
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Yay.
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How exciting.
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Well, should we talk about Better Watch Out?
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Yes, we should.
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Let's get into it.
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Better Watch Out is a 2016 Christmas psychological horror film directed by Chris Peckover and
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it's co-written by both Peckover and Zach Kahn.
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It stars Olivia De Jong as Ashley, who is babysitting 12 year old Luke played by Levi
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Miller.
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After unsuccessfully trying to impress Ashley by staging a home invasion, Luke goes on a
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murderous rampage and all of his adolescent angst.
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The movie made, from what I can tell, less than $200 on a $3 million budget.
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Despite generally favorable reviews, it currently has a 6.5 out of 10 on IMDB and an 89% critics
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and 64% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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I like that little R-roll.
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Rotten Tomatoes.
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Yeah, that's fun.
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I can't do that.
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I get jealous when people can do it.
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Sorry, I'll stop doing that and I won't whistle either.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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Yeah, I think it was just released to like at home video, so it didn't even go to theaters.
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Oh, that's why.
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So yeah, that explains why.
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No box office.
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Just went to streaming, I think.
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So definitely explains it.
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It wasn't Shudder or was it Shudder?
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I saw a Shudder interview about it and it said like Shudder original, but I didn't know
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if it was the interview was Shudder original or the movie was a Shudder original.
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I don't think it was a Shudder original.
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Okay.
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It's on Tubi.
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Yeah.
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It looks like the North American distribution rights were acquired by Wellgo USA.
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I don't know who, I'm sure it's just a distribution company and they sell it to streaming sites.
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So I don't know.
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Well, it is the Christmas season.
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Hopefully they're getting some money out of their streaming deal right now.
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Yeah, I think this is the time people are watching this movie.
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So yeah.
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It opened almost like every movie made in 2024.
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Almost where they get into a car accident when hitting an animal.
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I still want to make a montage of every early car accident scene in a horror movie.
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So it's almost all of them.
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Yeah.
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It's boundless.
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Yes.
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If we make a horror movie, we promise to also do that.
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Yeah.
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We would never stray from the formula.
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No.
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God, no.
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No.
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You mentioned the budget.
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It was originally not going to have that budget because they were going to film it in South
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Carolina for $500.
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That was their US budget that they were offered.
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And then Pegover said that one of his friends in the producing business basically said,
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you can get way more money to do it in Australia.
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We can offer three million here.
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And Pegover's mom is Australian.
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So he has dual citizenship, so he was able to just work over there.
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So yeah.
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He also said the Australian government pays back 40 cents for every dollar you spend when
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you're making a movie.
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But in return, I guess they push to have most of the actors be Australian in the film, which
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is why only two of the main cast are not from Australia, which is the parents.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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A lot of Australians in this movie.
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So many.
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I never would have guessed any of them were.
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Yeah, their accents were really good, especially for kids.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I mean, the acting overall was very good for children.
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Yeah.
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I didn't have any qualms with it.
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Yeah, no, never would have known.
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They've also filmed it in January, which is Australia's summer.
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Yep.
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So they had to really bump up the Christmas factor one way or another, which I've always.
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I mean, I know because I have a couple of Australian friends, but I've always been like,
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is Christmas really like the same, you know, without the vibe?
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I mean, I would love to be able to speak on it living in Southern California, but I haven't
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really fully celebrated a Christmas with my family here.
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So I think that that also makes a difference.
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But I will say when I first moved out, I was working in retail, so I'd never got to go
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back for Christmas.
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And it did not feel like it.
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Even having a little celebration with my roommate at the time, like it never really felt the
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same.
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But I will be in, I'll be in LA for Christmas this year.
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So I'll let you know.
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Thanks.
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I mean, I should be the authority on it.
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I live in Phoenix.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's really, really true.
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Does it feel like that?
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But I mean, here it still does because it's still, I mean, it gets a little chilly.
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You get to wear like jackets and stuff and, you know, you hot chocolate, you know, the
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yeah, but like the cold, I think the cold of it all and like, yeah.
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But in Australia, like everybody's going surfing.
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Yeah.
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It's summer summer.
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It's not just temperate.
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Yes.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Fun, though.
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Very.
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And more on that, the whole house, the backyard and everything was built on a soundstage.
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And then the snow they made out of gelatin and paper.
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Oh, yep.
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And they said the crew, like their shoes were constantly just tracking paper because they
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had to keep going in and out.
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Yeah.
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So keeping everything clean was really hard.
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And they also said it was dead of summer and they could only afford two hours of air conditioning
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for a day.
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So that sounds terrible, especially since they're filming a movie set in winter where
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everyone's wearing winter coats and sweaters and stuff.
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Yeah.
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Oof.
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Not fun.
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Yikes.
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I mean, I guess being sweaty kind of added to the vibe of it all, I guess.
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Yeah.
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Didn't like harm the film.
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No, no.
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You couldn't really tell.
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Yeah.
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I wouldn't watch this movie and be like, wow, this was definitely filmed in Australia in
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the summer.
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Yeah, right.
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No, so true, so true.
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Another very small set design thing that I guess Chris Peckover was really frustrated
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by was how high the door handles were.
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Oh.
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He mentioned that they were very high, four foot nine inch high door handles of an older
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Australian home.
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That's apparently older Australian homes that had really high door handles.
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I just measured mine with my cute little hermit crab measuring tape.
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Love.
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And it's only 36 inches high.
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So that's a really fucking high.
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Anyway.
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Yeah.
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I don't mean to kind of beat the dead horse about the high doorknobs.
00:19:03
But to your point, they built the fucking set.
00:19:06
So why?
00:19:07
I mean, they built it in Australia.
00:19:09
So maybe the people building it were just like, oh yeah, Australian doorknobs are high.
00:19:14
But throw it up there.
00:19:16
Older Australian homes had that.
00:19:17
Current Australian homes have 1100 millimeter high, which is like 42 inches.
00:19:24
I don't know.
00:19:25
You'd have to ask the set designers.
00:19:27
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:19:28
Yeah, that's a weird choice.
00:19:30
And crazy for him to like crazy for him to have been so frustrated by it that it made
00:19:34
the facts list on IMDb.
00:19:37
True and crazy that I didn't notice.
00:19:40
Yeah.
00:19:41
Watching the movie would not have noticed that the doorknobs were high at all.
00:19:47
No.
00:19:48
Didn't even think about it.
00:19:49
Didn't cross my mind once.
00:19:50
Yeah.
00:19:51
Chris Peckover.
00:19:52
This sounds like a you problem.
00:19:53
Chris Peckover.
00:19:54
Why does this bother you so much?
00:19:55
Get it together.
00:19:56
One more thing on the budget.
00:19:59
The spiders were real spiders.
00:20:05
Yes they were.
00:20:06
So supposedly Olivia De Jong is terrified of spiders.
00:20:12
And Chris Peckover was telling her about how, yeah, we're probably gonna have to cut the
00:20:16
attic scene because it's gonna be so expensive.
00:20:19
He didn't give out a number or anything, but it's gonna be so expensive to do the CGI of
00:20:23
these spiders and make it look good and realistic.
00:20:26
And Olivia was just like, oh, let's just use real spiders.
00:20:29
That's fine.
00:20:30
I can do it.
00:20:31
And they did.
00:20:33
She was so ready to save the production that money that she took one for the team and did
00:20:38
the spiders live real spiders.
00:20:40
I respect it.
00:20:42
I don't know if I'm strong enough.
00:20:45
I would try.
00:20:46
Yeah.
00:20:47
It wouldn't bother me.
00:20:48
Yeah, I know.
00:20:49
They were Huntsman spiders too.
00:20:51
How cute.
00:20:52
That actually might make me a little bit more inclined because I know that they're not mean.
00:20:57
Correct.
00:20:58
Yeah.
00:20:59
They're...
00:21:00
Everybody always says, you know, oh, they're more scared of you than you are of them.
00:21:05
I don't think that that's true with most spiders.
00:21:08
Probably true with Huntsman.
00:21:09
I've heard that they're very skittish.
00:21:11
Poor Huntsman spiders.
00:21:13
Yeah.
00:21:14
They have a very strong name.
00:21:18
Yeah.
00:21:19
It sounds scary.
00:21:20
Yeah.
00:21:21
I want to know how much it would cost.
00:21:24
The CGI?
00:21:25
Yeah.
00:21:26
I don't know.
00:21:27
I don't really know the ranges for that, especially in 2016.
00:21:31
Oh yeah.
00:21:33
Well, Chris, tell us in the comments below.
00:21:36
Chris, we know you're listening.
00:21:41
Let us know in the comments.
00:21:44
Anyway, I cut you off.
00:21:47
What were you going to say?
00:21:48
I have no idea.
00:21:50
I watched this.
00:21:51
Oh, you watched this in Discord.
00:21:55
I did.
00:21:56
I watched it with a friend and I went through the chat afterwards because I missed it because
00:22:01
I just wanted to see the vibe.
00:22:04
I saw that you were very happy he did not kill the spider and that he took it outside
00:22:08
instead.
00:22:09
Yes.
00:22:10
Yeah.
00:22:11
Yeah.
00:22:12
It was good of him.
00:22:13
Yeah.
00:22:14
The one thing he did right.
00:22:15
If there's one thing about Luke, he's just a great guy.
00:22:22
Oh, God.
00:22:25
I'm kidding.
00:22:28
It definitely made his character a little bit more likable to me because I'm the first
00:22:32
person to take a spider outside.
00:22:34
I think first watch, yes.
00:22:39
Second watch, I was like, this little psycho would just kill it.
00:22:43
Yeah.
00:22:44
Very out of character.
00:22:45
Well, I mean, I think it makes sense that he would kill the hamster but keep the spider,
00:22:51
right?
00:22:52
Maybe.
00:22:53
I really couldn't decide whether I was rooting for him or not.
00:22:57
Uh-oh.
00:22:58
That's concerning.
00:22:59
Well, I mean, yeah, a little bit.
00:23:02
Yeah.
00:23:03
I wasn't going to address that.
00:23:04
I did see you say that in the chat for the film and I was like, Katie, come on now.
00:23:09
Well, sometimes you root for the killer.
00:23:11
Yeah.
00:23:12
Not when he's a fucking incel, little weirdo creep.
00:23:16
Yeah, he was kind of a weirdo creep.
00:23:17
I hated everything about this kid.
00:23:20
I mean, to be clear, by the end when Ashley woke up and flipped him off, I was like, hell
00:23:25
yeah.
00:23:26
Yeah.
00:23:27
Let's go.
00:23:28
Very much so.
00:23:29
But there was some whiplash.
00:23:30
Yeah?
00:23:31
A little bit, yeah.
00:23:32
All right.
00:23:33
He's just a baby.
00:23:34
Well, fuck them kids, you know?
00:23:37
Yeah.
00:23:38
Yeah.
00:23:39
Children are kind of scary.
00:23:42
Absolutely.
00:23:43
Someone, this has nothing to do, well, it does, but in one of the interviews I was reading
00:23:49
about this, someone said, oh, this was refreshing to see evil kids, but not have it be the typical
00:23:57
tropes of possessed or British.
00:24:02
What?
00:24:03
I don't know.
00:24:04
I thought it was such a funny way to phrase the question.
00:24:11
Evil kids are either possessed or British.
00:24:14
In what films are evil kids British?
00:24:19
What the hell?
00:24:20
I don't know.
00:24:21
I can't think of an example, but it really made me laugh and I don't remember anything
00:24:25
else.
00:24:26
I don't even remember what Chris Mcover said in the interview to that, but I just thought
00:24:29
that that was really funny and you just reminded me of it.
00:24:33
That is funny.
00:24:34
Wow.
00:24:35
Yeah.
00:24:36
An Australian kid.
00:24:37
What a concept.
00:24:38
Yeah.
00:24:39
An Australian pretending to be American.
00:24:40
Deep.
00:24:41
There's so many things that are so deep.
00:24:42
I don't know why anyone would want to do that.
00:24:46
But no, I do think that a kid, we don't see a lot of kid killers.
00:24:50
Yeah.
00:24:51
They're typically not, they typically are possessed, right?
00:24:54
They're not usually just straight up psychopaths.
00:24:57
Yeah.
00:24:58
The only other one I can think of is Michael Myers.
00:25:02
He was a kid.
00:25:04
That's true.
00:25:05
He was a child when he murdered Judith.
00:25:07
Yeah.
00:25:08
But he's also kind of got like supernatural.
00:25:11
Yeah.
00:25:12
I guess not in the original, but now I feel like Michael Myers is more of an entity.
00:25:17
Correct.
00:25:18
A shape, if you will.
00:25:21
Love that.
00:25:22
People keep calling this movie a home invasion movie.
00:25:29
I think that this is one of, I won't say very few, but I do think that the twist in this
00:25:36
has been kept pretty under wraps.
00:25:39
People are pretty good about not spoiling it.
00:25:42
Yeah.
00:25:43
Which I kind of respect.
00:25:44
I think that's why people, well, yeah, sorry.
00:25:49
I mean, don't listen to a podcast that goes in depth about movies if you watch it, if
00:25:52
you don't want to know the plot.
00:25:55
But yeah, I think people have really tried to kind of keep it under wraps because that's
00:26:00
the key part of this.
00:26:01
Yeah.
00:26:02
Got to market it as a home invasion if you want to keep the twist alive.
00:26:07
So true.
00:26:08
I think about that.
00:26:09
Well, it's not a home invasion movie.
00:26:12
It's not.
00:26:14
Although Garrett does still invade the home.
00:26:17
He pretends to invade the home.
00:26:19
That's true.
00:26:20
The home is invaded by misogyny.
00:26:23
Yeah.
00:26:24
By toxic masculinity.
00:26:27
Yeah, hormone and stuff.
00:26:31
Yeah, testosterone.
00:26:32
Yeah.
00:26:33
Gross.
00:26:34
Oh yeah, he sucks.
00:26:38
But in one thing, his voice cracking.
00:26:42
Chef's kiss.
00:26:45
I know he wasn't doing it on purpose, which is almost funnier.
00:26:50
But it was very good.
00:26:52
He actually, Peckover talked about that in one of the interviews I read where I guess
00:26:57
he had just turned 13 when they started filming and he had grown like three inches.
00:27:02
He's like, well, wait, you're getting tall.
00:27:06
And his voice was just stopping the cracking.
00:27:08
So he was like, no, no, no, we got to film this quick.
00:27:11
We got to hold on to that.
00:27:12
We really like that.
00:27:13
Yeah.
00:27:14
The scene after he throws the paint can and is running down the stairs talking about how
00:27:19
the guy's head exploded.
00:27:20
Oh my God.
00:27:21
He's like 15 different octaves.
00:27:24
It's great.
00:27:25
There were a couple of changes in the process of making this movie.
00:27:30
One, the title changed.
00:27:33
It was originally called Safe Neighborhood.
00:27:36
That was scrapped because I guess Josh Olson, who made the trailers for the horror movie
00:27:42
Don't Breathe, went to an early screening and he talked to Chris Peckover and was like,
00:27:49
you got to change it.
00:27:50
You have to change the name.
00:27:52
It's going to be way more marketable if you go for a more Christmas themed name.
00:27:56
So I changed that.
00:27:58
And then also when Peckover helped write the script, because Khan had already written the
00:28:05
script, it was brought to Peckover and then Peckover was like, I want to do some rewrites.
00:28:12
And so he changed when the twist happened.
00:28:16
So the twist was always there, but he moved it up.
00:28:18
It wasn't going to happen until like an hour into the movie.
00:28:22
And so he was like, no, no, no, we want to move that way up because he just thought everything
00:28:25
that was happening after was way more interesting.
00:28:28
And then Garrett wasn't in the original script.
00:28:31
They added him.
00:28:32
Oh, yeah.
00:28:33
He was kind of fun.
00:28:34
Yeah, little Garrett, you know?
00:28:38
Yeah.
00:28:39
I hate most people named Garrett, but he was kind of likable.
00:28:41
Yeah, I don't know if I've met a Garrett in real life that I liked, but...
00:28:51
I didn't find him likable.
00:28:53
I felt like he was a good, almost foil to Luke.
00:28:58
Yeah.
00:28:59
Because it was like, Luke is kind of to me, the just blatantly misogynistic, incel type
00:29:06
kid.
00:29:07
And then Garrett is more of like the nice guy, right?
00:29:09
Like that kind of a portrayal where he'll go along with it, but he feels bad.
00:29:15
Yeah.
00:29:16
Yeah, he's not a sociopath.
00:29:19
Yeah, but he'll still condone the sociopath's actions.
00:29:23
Correct.
00:29:24
He won't stop it, you know?
00:29:25
Yeah, he's just a little teenage boy.
00:29:26
He's a little turd.
00:29:27
Yeah.
00:29:28
I was sad that he died, though.
00:29:29
Yeah.
00:29:30
Of all the people that died, he probably made me the saddest.
00:29:31
Really?
00:29:32
Well, there were only three of them, so...
00:29:33
Yeah, I thought Ricky's was the saddest.
00:29:34
The paint can?
00:29:35
Well, not really.
00:29:36
I mean, he's a little kid.
00:29:37
He's a little kid.
00:29:38
He's a little kid.
00:29:39
He's a little kid.
00:29:40
He's a little kid.
00:29:41
He's a little kid.
00:29:42
He's a little kid.
00:29:43
He's a little kid.
00:29:44
He's a little kid.
00:29:45
He's a little kid.
00:29:46
He's a little kid, the paint can.
00:29:49
Well, not the death itself, but he was the only man in the movie I liked.
00:29:57
Yeah, that's fair.
00:29:58
At least he was like, you've gotta get out, you gotta run.
00:30:01
He protected her.
00:30:02
Right?
00:30:03
Yeah.
00:30:04
At the end he was like...
00:30:05
And also the way he shows up and just won't take no for an answer, he's like, no, I'm
00:30:09
gonna find her.
00:30:10
They're like, she's on a period, she's got diarrhea, and he's like I don't care.
00:30:12
Where is she?
00:30:15
And then just tells her, you know, I get why you have to move, move.
00:30:19
If you can get free, just leave me.
00:30:21
Which she should have.
00:30:22
I don't know.
00:30:23
Ricky seemed like in the end, the only actual nice guy in the movie.
00:30:30
Yeah, a little redeemable.
00:30:31
That's fair.
00:30:32
One thing I've talked about wanting to do on the podcast is like get like a science
00:30:36
person and have them decide whether or not kind of like a little mini myth busters, decide
00:30:42
whether or not stuff's possible.
00:30:43
And I would really like to know if throwing a paint can at somebody's face like that would
00:30:47
kill them.
00:30:48
I think with enough force.
00:30:49
Well, that's what I'm saying.
00:30:51
Does a 12 year old have enough force to throw a paint can hard enough to kill someone?
00:30:55
Yeah.
00:30:56
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00:31:01
Yeah, not one day.
00:31:04
Maybe that would be really fun.
00:31:07
Yeah.
00:31:08
Bill Nye.
00:31:09
Yeah, Bill Nye.
00:31:10
If you're listening, email us.
00:31:13
We will set up a time.
00:31:16
Hey, big dreams, man.
00:31:17
We got to have big dreams.
00:31:19
True.
00:31:20
It would be fun to see what horror movie deaths are like plausible.
00:31:24
Yeah.
00:31:25
I mean, it's a good segue to talk about Home Alone.
00:31:28
Have you seen Home Alone?
00:31:32
You know what?
00:31:33
I have.
00:31:34
Wow.
00:31:35
Isn't that crazy?
00:31:36
Yeah, because I haven't.
00:31:37
I was more of like a Grinch Christmas story kind of girl.
00:31:40
You know, I never watched Home Alone.
00:31:42
That funny story, my cousin is obsessed with that movie.
00:31:45
And when does this come out?
00:31:47
The 24th?
00:31:48
Well, she doesn't listen and neither does her five year old daughter.
00:31:53
They're getting a dog named Kevin so they can yell at it.
00:31:56
Kevin.
00:31:57
I know a lot about the movie.
00:31:58
I just haven't seen it.
00:31:59
Why don't you write a list down of the movies you have seen outside of this podcast?
00:32:03
Because I feel like that's going to cover a lot.
00:32:05
It's a shorter list.
00:32:06
I've seen a lot of movies.
00:32:07
I've seen so many.
00:32:08
I don't believe you've seen any movie that doesn't have a sci-fi aspect to it.
00:32:15
I have.
00:32:16
That's where I'm at right now.
00:32:17
Pearl Harbor?
00:32:18
There's one.
00:32:19
All right.
00:32:20
Sci-fi or history?
00:32:21
You haven't seen any movie.
00:32:22
Legally Blonde.
00:32:23
Because I made you.
00:32:24
Shrek.
00:32:25
I have Shrek tattooed on my body.
00:32:26
Shrek is an excellent film.
00:32:27
If you have to watch one movie, it should be Shrek.
00:32:28
Yeah.
00:32:29
Yeah.
00:32:30
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:31
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:32
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:33
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:34
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:35
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:36
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:37
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:38
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:39
I'm going to go with Shrek.
00:32:40
Yeah.
00:32:41
Yeah.
00:32:42
That should be everybody's introduction to film.
00:32:43
Well, Shrek also makes references though, so I don't know if that should be.
00:32:44
That's true.
00:32:45
Anyways, do you want to talk about why Home Alone matters to this movie?
00:32:52
Yeah.
00:32:53
Well, I mean, I'm not sure I'm the most qualified to talk about it, but I will because I did
00:32:57
watch the scenes, the scenes that it's talking about.
00:33:00
Oh, you did?
00:33:01
Okay.
00:33:02
I did.
00:33:03
Yeah.
00:33:04
I looked it up on YouTube.
00:33:05
I did a video comparing the two scenes.
00:33:08
In Home Alone, for the one probably or two other people in the world that haven't watched
00:33:12
it, there's a paint can scene where the killers are coming up the stairs and Kevin throws
00:33:19
a paint can on a string at them and it knocks them back.
00:33:23
Yes.
00:33:24
It's funny.
00:33:25
In this film, he does the same thing.
00:33:28
He throws the paint can, but it murders a guy.
00:33:31
It does.
00:33:32
It's a very, very clear reference to Home Alone that even I understood having not seen
00:33:36
the movie.
00:33:37
And?
00:33:38
Oh, the Florida thing?
00:33:41
Yeah.
00:33:42
Yes.
00:33:43
You can tell that one.
00:33:44
Oh, Luke just makes a reference.
00:33:47
He says that their neighbors are in Florida and that is also a joke in Home Alone.
00:33:52
Well, I don't know if it's a joke.
00:33:55
It's just like why Kevin can't get help.
00:33:57
Yes, yeah, because the neighbors are.
00:33:59
Yeah, exactly.
00:34:00
It's not a good joke, but just the circumstances.
00:34:03
Yes.
00:34:04
There was also a call to Clockwork Orange.
00:34:08
There was, yeah, the little dance dance.
00:34:10
A little dancey.
00:34:11
I also haven't seen Clockwork Orange, but I know of it and I knew the dance to which
00:34:16
they were referencing, which is all that matters.
00:34:19
Great.
00:34:20
Clockwork Orange is not for everyone.
00:34:24
You can't blame me for not seeing that one.
00:34:28
Home Alone is at least for everyone.
00:34:30
Home Alone is for everyone.
00:34:31
Yeah.
00:34:32
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:33
Clockwork Orange is a bit more mature.
00:34:36
Less so for everyone.
00:34:38
Yeah, yeah.
00:34:40
Yeah.
00:34:41
Oh, another thing.
00:34:43
Yeah.
00:34:44
The ex-boyfriend.
00:34:45
Jeremy.
00:34:46
Jeremy is dressed like the meme scumbag Steve.
00:34:53
He is a little bit, yeah.
00:34:54
He's got the backwards knockoff Louis Vuitton hat.
00:34:58
Funny.
00:34:59
Yeah, I thought that was nice.
00:35:02
He really understood who he was right off the bat.
00:35:06
Yeah.
00:35:07
Isn't that guy in Stranger Things?
00:35:12
Scumbag Steve?
00:35:13
No.
00:35:14
Oh, Jeremy, the actor who plays Jeremy.
00:35:17
The man who played Jeremy.
00:35:18
Yes.
00:35:19
I don't know.
00:35:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:35:21
How do you say his name?
00:35:24
Dockery?
00:35:25
Dockery?
00:35:26
Montgomery?
00:35:27
Yes, he is.
00:35:30
He plays Billy in Stranger Things.
00:35:32
That was after I stopped watching it.
00:35:34
Yeah.
00:35:35
But it looks like he's got a mullet.
00:35:37
Yeah, I think people kind of go hard for literally Billy.
00:35:40
Oh, I thought he was the one everybody hated.
00:35:43
Oh, maybe.
00:35:44
People like Eddie.
00:35:45
Oh, yeah, you're right.
00:35:46
Eddie is the one that he also has a mullet, I think.
00:35:50
Yeah, I mean, it's the 80s.
00:35:52
Yeah, Eddie is the one that his fans are on it.
00:35:56
Yeah.
00:35:57
But I think Billy sucks.
00:35:58
Well, I simply don't remember.
00:36:01
I didn't watch that far, so I don't know.
00:36:04
But what I've gotten on the line is that I think we hate Billy and Eddie's cool.
00:36:14
Is Eddie the one that sings Chrissy wakes up?
00:36:16
Chrissy wake up.
00:36:17
Chrissy, wake up.
00:36:18
He's not singing.
00:36:19
No, he doesn't sing it.
00:36:20
Yeah, I think he's the one that says that.
00:36:24
OK.
00:36:25
I think he has a redemption arc.
00:36:27
I think we hate him at the beginning.
00:36:29
Eddie?
00:36:30
I think so.
00:36:31
Oh, I guess the love for him is just so overwhelming.
00:36:34
I've only ever seen Positive Things.
00:36:36
Yeah, I could be wrong.
00:36:37
We really should watch it.
00:36:38
Someone who's seen Stranger Things.
00:36:39
Yeah.
00:36:40
Yeah.
00:36:41
I went once to Loud.
00:36:42
They're waiting nine years to release the last season.
00:36:44
Yeah.
00:36:45
God.
00:36:46
They're all going to look like adults.
00:36:47
Eleven's fucking 80.
00:36:48
Yeah.
00:36:49
What do we say in real life?
00:36:50
She's only like 21 or something.
00:36:53
Yeah, they're still young.
00:36:55
She's young.
00:36:56
Anyways, if you've seen Stranger Things, please let us know if Billy or Eddie sucks
00:37:03
or if they both suck or if one's cool and then becomes bad or if one's bad and then
00:37:07
becomes cool.
00:37:08
You let us know in the comments.
00:37:10
Just spoil the whole show.
00:37:11
Yeah.
00:37:12
Actually, can you just get me up to date and then I'll watch the newest season?
00:37:16
Yeah, that'd be great.
00:37:17
Thanks.
00:37:18
I don't want to watch the newest season.
00:37:20
See, I don't want to watch anything with Noah Schnapp.
00:37:23
Hopefully they kill his character off, right?
00:37:26
Well, then he'd be a martyr.
00:37:29
We don't want that.
00:37:30
Yeah, but we don't want him to get paid.
00:37:33
Yeah.
00:37:34
I mean-
00:37:35
Then for one episode kill him off and then-
00:37:37
Yeah.
00:37:38
Hopefully he fades into oblivion.
00:37:40
Well, I wouldn't hold your breath, unfortunately.
00:37:44
Hate that.
00:37:45
Yeah.
00:37:46
Nobody likes that little bowl cut fuck, right?
00:37:50
I don't know.
00:37:53
I mean, he was just a kid at the beginning.
00:37:55
Yeah, at the beginning.
00:37:56
Now he's an adult with opinions, terrible ones.
00:37:58
Bad opinions, terrible.
00:38:00
Yeah, he sucks.
00:38:02
Anyways, back to this thing since we haven't seen Stranger Things.
00:38:11
At the beginning when the parents are talking, it's Virginia Madsen and Patrick Warburne.
00:38:17
Warburton play the parents.
00:38:19
Which is what you said the first time.
00:38:21
That's what I said.
00:38:22
I said Warburton and then I stopped and then I went back because it's Warburton.
00:38:26
I heard Warburton both times.
00:38:28
Oh.
00:38:29
Yikes.
00:38:30
I thought I said Warburton.
00:38:33
It's incorrect.
00:38:36
But they improvised the whole little ornament scene and the box of miscellaneous kitschy
00:38:44
ornaments is apparently, actually, Patrick Warburton's.
00:38:48
Oh, why did he have that with him?
00:38:51
He brought them.
00:38:52
Oh, okay.
00:38:53
Well.
00:38:54
He was excited about the Christmas Fiend movie so he brought his ornaments and pitched
00:38:57
the idea to Virginia Madsen and she liked it.
00:39:01
Cute.
00:39:02
Yeah.
00:39:03
Like honestly, a criminal underutilization of Patrick Warburton.
00:39:07
Truly.
00:39:08
He's really just in that scene and then kind of a little bit at the end.
00:39:12
Yeah, he's a national treasure.
00:39:14
Truly.
00:39:15
Truly.
00:39:16
Another thing I liked that Peckover said was that it was really important to him that
00:39:22
Ashley was never like crying and begging to get out of her situation.
00:39:27
Yeah.
00:39:28
And he was always kind of toe to toe or one step ahead of him.
00:39:33
That was really important because he doesn't really like that trope where, like that type
00:39:36
of victimization that we see in women in films.
00:39:39
Sure.
00:39:40
I liked that.
00:39:41
Yeah.
00:39:42
Because I feel like sometimes you're even thinking like, girl, chill.
00:39:49
He's too far gone.
00:39:50
You know, like stop trying to pretend, stop being his babysitter.
00:39:54
Yes.
00:39:55
Play a different route.
00:39:56
But then by the end, I think you realize that was his plan all along.
00:40:00
So she really didn't, no matter what angle she played, I don't think she could have gotten
00:40:05
out of it.
00:40:06
Yeah.
00:40:07
But no, I did appreciate her trying to strategically get herself out as opposed to just being like
00:40:12
a damsel in distress kind of trope.
00:40:14
Yeah.
00:40:15
Yeah.
00:40:16
Yeah, I did like that as well.
00:40:18
Which was interesting.
00:40:19
I found a lot of discussions on Letterboxd about like people think this movie is really
00:40:25
misogynistic.
00:40:26
Oh.
00:40:27
And I really only saw the conversation on Letterboxd.
00:40:30
And it was really interesting to me.
00:40:33
I never want to like tell people like, that's how you read it.
00:40:36
That's how you read it.
00:40:37
You know?
00:40:38
Yeah.
00:40:39
I didn't read it that way.
00:40:40
Like obviously, yes, the main character is very misogynistic, but he's the bad guy.
00:40:45
Correct.
00:40:46
So I at no point felt like the movie was condoning anything that he was doing or saying.
00:40:55
No.
00:40:56
So I don't know.
00:40:57
Interesting.
00:40:58
Very interesting.
00:40:59
I know.
00:41:00
I was kind of like, wait, why did you watch the same movie?
00:41:02
You have the boyfriend, you have Ricky kind of coming to his senses and being like, yeah,
00:41:07
you need to go and do your own thing.
00:41:09
And it's okay for you to move.
00:41:11
And you're so smart.
00:41:12
And yeah, I don't know.
00:41:15
I mean, they're 13 year old boys.
00:41:18
They're going to say.
00:41:19
Yeah, I don't know if it's...
00:41:23
I think there's kind of a trend too of if something's in a movie that's bad, a lot of
00:41:30
people are like, I don't like that because it's bad.
00:41:33
Yeah.
00:41:34
But it's like, you can't just not put bad things in movies ever.
00:41:39
You just have to not condone them when you're doing it.
00:41:42
Correct.
00:41:43
It's like, this is going to annoy the shit out of you.
00:41:46
There's a new Taylor Swift song where she's like, she's trying to pick a decade that she
00:41:51
would like to live in.
00:41:53
No.
00:41:54
And she's like, I want to live in this decade.
00:41:55
I do not agree with this at all.
00:41:56
But I understand.
00:41:57
But she's like, I want to live in this decade, but there's fucking racism.
00:42:00
I don't want any part of that.
00:42:01
And then now the game is ruined.
00:42:02
No, that felt like a very...
00:42:04
Yeah, I didn't like that at all.
00:42:07
Yeah.
00:42:08
I mean, it's the same exact concept.
00:42:09
She's literally saying she doesn't agree with racism and people had a problem with it.
00:42:12
No, I have a problem with it.
00:42:14
That's what I'm saying.
00:42:15
But why?
00:42:16
Because why?
00:42:18
Why include that at all?
00:42:19
It felt so much like virtue signaling and no one has ever romanticized an 18th release.
00:42:26
That's just not a thing.
00:42:28
I don't know.
00:42:29
Anyways, I'll send you a couple of TikToks that I actually have saved of black women.
00:42:33
I'll let them speak on it.
00:42:36
Talking about why that was just not...
00:42:38
It was very tone deaf.
00:42:39
So I'm actually kind of on the opposite side of that one.
00:42:43
Interesting.
00:42:44
I would think it's more like if you watched The Ringer, which like, yeah, The Ringer probably
00:42:49
does have some things that are not...
00:42:53
Didn't age well, but there's the use of the R word.
00:42:56
It's basically about, yeah, Johnny Knoxville pretending to be disabled to get into the
00:43:01
Special Olympics.
00:43:02
But there's the use of the R word, but they put it in there so that Johnny Knoxville,
00:43:07
who was at the height of jackass, could say in the movie, that is not a word that you
00:43:12
say.
00:43:13
And they did that purposefully because they wanted Johnny Knoxville's fans, who were young
00:43:19
men, to see him saying, do not say that word.
00:43:23
So I think that's kind of the whole difference is just putting it in to put it in or putting
00:43:29
it in to be like, hey, this is not what we do.
00:43:33
Yeah.
00:43:34
Yeah.
00:43:35
But to your point, I mean, murder is bad, but for whatever reason, it's okay to be in
00:43:40
a movie.
00:43:41
Like lots of bad things are in movies.
00:43:43
Right.
00:43:44
And no one ever thinks, oh, this movie's going to be murder.
00:43:46
Yeah, exactly.
00:43:47
I mean, there's probably a couple that are, but this isn't one of them.
00:43:53
Yeah.
00:43:54
Oh, I still liked, we haven't watched it on the podcast yet, so you probably haven't seen
00:43:58
it, but Olivia De Jong and Ed Ochsenbold, who plays Garrett, they star together as siblings
00:44:05
in another movie called The Visit.
00:44:07
Oh, is that a home invasion?
00:44:10
No, it's an M. Night Shyamalan found footage film.
00:44:13
Oh, I know.
00:44:14
That sounds kind of fun.
00:44:15
Let's just bump that up on the schedule.
00:44:16
I'll see what I can do.
00:44:17
It's currently slated for like 2029, but.
00:44:18
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:19
Not true.
00:44:20
I haven't even made 2026 yet.
00:44:21
Yes, you have.
00:44:22
I've made 2025.
00:44:23
Oh, right.
00:44:24
Got it.
00:44:25
Yeah, girl.
00:44:26
Don't push us a year ahead.
00:44:27
Yeah, yeah.
00:44:28
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:29
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:30
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:31
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:32
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:33
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:34
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
00:44:35
I'm gonna go ahead and do that.
00:44:40
Yeah, I, I mean, it's not, it's not a schedule.
00:44:45
What am I talking about?
00:44:47
But that's 2025.
00:44:48
You're right.
00:44:49
Yeah, I definitely did.
00:44:50
Do the 2025.
00:44:51
It's December.
00:44:52
Of course I had to.
00:44:53
Yeah, of course.
00:44:54
Things will change.
00:44:55
I mean, you don't have to make it that far in advance.
00:44:58
No, I don't, but I like to get organized.
00:45:02
Yeah.
00:45:03
Okay.
00:45:04
No.
00:45:05
out than to create a whole schedule. Yeah. Little casting
00:45:09
fun facts. One, Selena Gomez was apparently interested in the
00:45:14
role of Ashley. Cute. I don't know if she ever auditioned or
00:45:19
anything. It just said she was interested but then opted to
00:45:22
focus on music instead because she was having her revival tour.
00:45:26
So she did that instead. And then also, at Oxenbold, who plays
00:45:33
Garrett, he was originally being considered for the role of Luke.
00:45:38
Oh, yeah, but he was like not really sure about playing him
00:45:42
because he's so intense. Yeah. And so when the opportunity for
00:45:46
Garrett came around, he was like, yeah, let's do that.
00:45:50
Cute. He was perfect for it. Yeah, very like nerdy, clunky
00:45:56
teenager. Yeah, I feel like the casting turned out well. Yeah.
00:46:01
I couldn't I saw two things in the in Luke to two other
00:46:07
characters just by the like the vibe that he was giving off.
00:46:09
Well, not the vibe but like literally how he looks. Kurt
00:46:12
Hummel. Sorry. And Young Sheldon. Oh, okay. Right, though.
00:46:21
I've never seen Young Sheldon. Look him up real quick. Just like
00:46:24
I've never seen Big Bang Theory. You're not missing much. I mean,
00:46:28
it's kind of silly and the characters are likable but
00:46:31
I just think I mean, I get it because you can't make a TV show
00:46:34
about geniuses and have them only talk about like, high level
00:46:38
stuff because then it's not for the masses. Correct. But I do
00:46:41
think that when my high school calculus teacher showed us clips
00:46:45
of the Big Bang Theory because we would get it. It's pretty
00:46:49
lowbrow.
00:46:52
Also, the trope of like Penny being the comedic relief because
00:46:57
she doesn't understand the highbrow stuff. Like nobody needs
00:47:01
to understand whatever they were talking about in Big Bang Theory.
00:47:05
Like that's not the people who need to understand it do and
00:47:08
that's good. You don't need to bring in like a woman, a blonde
00:47:11
woman and like she is you know what I mean? The butt of the joke
00:47:15
always because she doesn't understand like I don't know.
00:47:17
Yeah, I will say I have seen things I and I again, I haven't
00:47:21
watched the show so I can't really like say this for sure
00:47:23
but I have seen people talk about it. And apparently that's
00:47:26
why some of the other characters were brought in later like the
00:47:29
other two women that are geniuses like they were brought
00:47:32
in because they didn't like that they had done that. Yes. Had
00:47:35
like the one woman be blonde and stupid. I do think they tried to
00:47:39
kind of course correct that later on. Yes and the two the two
00:47:44
other women I love they're like two of my favorite characters.
00:47:47
Oh nice. Yeah, I have seen the whole thing. Oh great. But it's
00:47:50
like, yeah. But anyway. And all of young Sheldon? I have not
00:47:53
seen young Sheldon. Oh, okay. You seem like a Sheldon girl.
00:47:57
Thanks. In what way do you mean? Please elaborate. What do you
00:48:04
buy? What do you mean? What by for what reason? Is it autism
00:48:11
Cassidy?
00:48:12
Autism Cassidy? I genuinely just said it as a joke but you
00:48:21
reacted. Just kill me. Oh my god your neck snapped. Holy shit
00:48:34
now.
00:48:35
You're not wrong. I mean, I see it. But no, I haven't seen young
00:48:40
Sheldon. I haven't seen the show Katie. Oh my god. Oh god.
00:48:53
Anyway, but doesn't that kid have like the reminiscence of
00:48:56
this kid? Yes, I do get I get the vibe. Yeah, they all have
00:49:01
the same look about them. Yeah. Anyway, should we rate it? Yeah,
00:49:11
I don't have any more fun facts. Okay. All right. Well, how
00:49:15
scary did you think it was? I gave it a one. Okay. I don't
00:49:19
I yeah, I don't know. It didn't really have scary vibes to me.
00:49:24
I will say that when it was kind of like home invasion, it was a
00:49:27
little bit like, ooh, what could be happening? You know, there's
00:49:30
people outside that's scary to me. Yeah, but it didn't really
00:49:35
last. Yeah. So what about you? Yeah, I also gave it a one.
00:49:40
Children are scary, but this didn't scare me. Home invasion
00:49:44
doesn't scare me. I thought for sure you would have rated it
00:49:46
like a 900 or something. It's like the only thing you find
00:49:49
scary. So the fact that you even mentioned it, I was right. I
00:49:53
just don't want people coming into my home. I don't think
00:49:55
that's too much to ask. That's reasonable. It's not something
00:49:59
to be like terrified of. Yes, it is. It doesn't happen like all
00:50:04
the time or something. Oh my god, Katie, it happens when you
00:50:07
least expect it. Okay. Not if your doors are locked. But like,
00:50:13
it does happen. Yeah, yeah, it does. You're scared of like a
00:50:17
demon dragging you to hell, which has never happened. Right.
00:50:20
That's why it's scary. Because what if it does? But what if it
00:50:25
does? It won't. It's never happened. Why now? Why this
00:50:29
sperm? Like, it's not gonna happen. Months ago, you
00:50:33
wouldn't have even gotten that joke. I still don't get it. Oh
00:50:37
my god. You even watched Legally Blonde. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
00:50:42
but I don't remember that joke. Why now? Why this sperm? It's
00:50:48
when she's in class and they're arguing about whether or not a
00:50:52
sperm donor has rights to the child or whatever. Yes, you're
00:50:57
right. I guess we'll have to watch it again. Okay. Oh no. I
00:51:02
mean, I'm fine with it. I like to find. I like to find. It was
00:51:06
fine. It's a great movie. Yeah. Great. How sexy did you think
00:51:11
it was? A one out of five. Yeah. Thank you. That's correct.
00:51:14
Yeah. And children. And there wasn't even like a 90s vibe with
00:51:18
all the the Home Alone stuff. So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I also
00:51:23
give it a one out of five. There just wasn't a lot of like
00:51:27
sexiness happening. It was just like predatory from a 12 year
00:51:31
old which is creepy and scary. Yes. Yeah. So. Disgusting. One
00:51:37
out of five. How fucked up did you think it was? I give it a
00:51:40
1.5. Okay. Cuz the idea of like this little kid like feeling
00:51:47
her up and stuff when she's tied up is not not cute. I did
00:51:53
appreciate that they didn't show it though. Yes. I still
00:51:57
don't think it necessarily had to be in there but. Yeah. I
00:52:02
gave it a two. I'm so sorry. What did you give it? No, that's
00:52:04
okay. I gave it a two. I mean, it's just a taste of my own
00:52:07
medicine. I was never a rescue. It's it's I I didn't like that
00:52:12
it was a child doing all of those things. I also I also
00:52:16
thought that the like hanging scene was a little much and a
00:52:19
little graphic. You're right. Yeah, that was like pretty
00:52:22
dark. It was a lot. Yeah, it was especially for the since
00:52:26
they hadn't really shown much of else. Like they don't show
00:52:28
the paint can. They just show the reactions to it like. Yeah.
00:52:32
Yeah, that was definitely. Yeah. It was a lot. Yeah. Um so I
00:52:37
gave it a two. Okay, that's there. Yeah. Alright.
00:52:41
Overall, what did you think of the holiday special? Better.
00:52:45
Watch out. Um again, I went back and forth. I I flipped. I
00:52:51
flipped. It was fun watching with friends. It was it was a
00:52:54
fun watch the one time and I I just don't think it holds its
00:52:59
own enough. Um. Fair. It's just not one. I I think I'll find
00:53:04
myself wanting to rewatch especially not on my own. Maybe
00:53:08
with friends who hadn't seen it. Uh I think it has a fun twist
00:53:10
that you know kind of in the way that the mist had a fun
00:53:14
twist where you want other people to to experience it.
00:53:16
Yeah. Um but it was just it was unbelievable while also taking
00:53:21
itself too seriously. Oh, okay. For me. Uh yeah. Yeah. So I
00:53:26
split it right down the middle. I gave it a two and a half. Um
00:53:29
I absolutely see what it was trying to do sort of like
00:53:32
answering the like what if Kevin McAllister was a murderer?
00:53:34
Um uh but it just didn't really land for me and now I need a
00:53:39
Krampus Palette Cleanser. You know what's funny is I did see a
00:53:44
letter box review saying, wow, this is a Palette Cleanser
00:53:47
because I've watched so many Krampus movies.
00:53:50
So that's funny. Um very fair. I think that's that's a fair
00:53:55
rating. Um gotta know. I think that yeah, this is one that I
00:54:00
think is best watched for the first time or with people who
00:54:03
haven't seen it before because the twist is kind of the big
00:54:06
draw point to it. Yeah. Um I don't mind it. I think it's it's
00:54:11
a fun watch for the first time. Second time, it's kinda like,
00:54:14
okay, really wish this kid would shut up but
00:54:19
but yeah, first time I watched it, I do remember being like,
00:54:22
oh **** okay, here we go. Yeah. Yeah. Um so I gave it a three.
00:54:27
I think it's it's fine. It's a fine little Christmas themed
00:54:31
horror movie. I think pulling it out every once in a while for a
00:54:36
season for a friend or a family member who hasn't seen it would
00:54:39
be fun. Yeah. But is it gonna be in my regular rotation? No.
00:54:44
Correct. Yeah. Did I say what I gave it? A three. Oh great.
00:54:50
Okay. I was like, did I just yapp and not ever say it? No,
00:54:53
you did. You said it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, to your
00:54:58
point, the kid's **** annoying. He's so every time he opens
00:55:02
his mouth, I'm like, stop. Yeah. Oh my god. It's like being
00:55:06
on Reddit. I really wanted like an Ashley redemption. I mean,
00:55:11
there's a sequel, right? There's a no. Oh, I thought there
00:55:13
was a sequel. No sequel. Uh too bad because I really would
00:55:18
have liked Ashley to come back and **** the kid. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:23
Yeah. Yeah. Do you think he got away with it or do you think
00:55:26
she tattled and it's over for him? I think it's over for him.
00:55:31
Yeah. I mean, on the other hand, he did cover a lot of
00:55:39
his tracks. It would take a lot of convincing for the one
00:55:44
women woman at the scene to be believed which is hard to do in
00:55:49
today's judicial system. Um yeah. Which is sad. Yeah. I
00:55:56
feel like the the big thing that would have gone against him
00:55:59
would be time of deaths and she lived so that doesn't work
00:56:02
anymore. Right. Cuz they probably would have been able
00:56:05
to figure out that she died after Jeremy who he was pinning
00:56:08
everything on. Right. But she lived so that kinda throws out
00:56:12
the the one thing. Yeah. And I do I another thing is I think
00:56:18
that the um the hanging would have been hard to set up
00:56:20
yourself. Yeah. And maybe call logs. Call logs would help
00:56:24
protect potentially. Yeah, I don't know but I like I I'm in
00:56:29
my head he gets his comeuppance. Good. I think the
00:56:33
system doesn't catch him. Ashley does. Good. I think she
00:56:36
just **** turns him apart. That's my canon. Good. Cuz that
00:56:41
is another thing this movie's missing. When someone sucks this
00:56:45
bad, I really just wanna watch them die. Yeah. You're always
00:56:51
rooting for like a crazy death for them. Yes. Agreed. Um would
00:56:57
you survive? Um I don't know who I am in this film. Okay. So
00:57:03
hard to say. Who do you feel in your heart you are? Uh I don't
00:57:11
know. Oh. Okay. I'm not Ashley. No. I mean maybe. I mean I
00:57:18
don't know. Are you Luke? No. Yeah. But I'm not Garrett
00:57:25
either. Yeah. I mean die before my name is Garrett. So
00:57:28
maybe that's the answer. You you die cuz you don't wanna be
00:57:32
anybody? No, I don't know. I don't know. I'm a parent in
00:57:37
real life so maybe I'm Patrick Warburton. That'd be nice. But
00:57:42
he was kind of a little creepy at the beginning. He was a
00:57:44
little like like borderline like inappropriate you know.
00:57:48
Yeah. So maybe I'm the mom. I don't know. I think. I feel
00:57:52
like you're trying to cop out. I know. I know. You're in the
00:57:55
situation, Katie. Yeah. Okay. So if I'm in the situation, uh
00:58:00
yeah. Odds are good. I die. Shit. Okay. Yeah. I mean
00:58:06
statistically, I'm either dead or in prison. Oh, okay. So, I
00:58:11
think I die. Cuz you killed someone? Well, if I'm if I'm
00:58:15
him, he's going to prison. If I'm anybody else, I'm dead or
00:58:21
Ashley. Okay. And she should have died. Well, I think it's
00:58:26
yeah, okay. I'm dead. Okay. How about you? No, I live. Oh,
00:58:32
okay. I fully believe in my ability to kick a 12 year old's
00:58:35
ass. Also, when she was getting out of the chair and she had
00:58:39
one arm left, I would have just freed that arm and ran. Yeah.
00:58:43
I'm not. I'm not going back. Sorry. I'm taking my
00:58:46
boyfriend's advice and I'm leaving. I'm going to the
00:58:49
nearest house I can. I am calling the 911. Game over.
00:58:53
Yeah, that's fair. And I'm punching Garrett in the face.
00:58:56
And I'm stabbing Luke. Let's hope. Yeah. Yeah, no. I
00:59:04
believe in my ability to fight a 12 year old. Good. Okay, good.
00:59:07
Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I just don't. Someone's waving a
00:59:14
gun around. I just, you know. Well, yeah, but I think the
00:59:17
key moment for me is when she like is getting herself free of
00:59:20
the chair. Yeah. That would have been my moment to leave. I'm
00:59:22
not hanging around anymore. Yeah, I'm not the other two.
00:59:26
Yeah. Yeah. The most likely character I would be is her,
00:59:29
even though I've never been a babysitter in my life. But
00:59:32
let's just say. Yeah, I think that's reasonable. However, I
00:59:37
if I don't think I would. I don't think I have that like
00:59:41
preservation to like just leave. Especially if like the
00:59:46
boyfriend's Dylan. Yeah. I'm saving him. Well, I'm trying to.
00:59:53
She doesn't. Yeah, she does.
00:59:57
Yeah. But on the other hand, this see, this one's really
01:00:00
hard for me. On the other hand, he he Dylan could probably
01:00:03
convince me to leave. Just like go call 911. Just like go. You
01:00:06
know, I think I would listen to him. I just I just don't know.
01:00:09
I think I'm very much I'm very much the type in horror movie
01:00:13
type situations. If you can leave and get help, do it.
01:00:17
That's your best option. Yeah. Like that's always the best
01:00:20
option. Yeah. Never works out when you stay. Always leave.
01:00:24
And if I'm the if I'm the boyfriend, I'm not I will not
01:00:28
hold that against you. Yeah. You leave. I'm gonna be happy for
01:00:31
you. Like yeah. Or you I mean, you're gonna be dead. You
01:00:34
don't you can't. Right. Like exactly. Like it's it's in my
01:00:38
final moments. I will not be cursing you. I will be happy
01:00:41
that you got out. Yeah. So if you're my friend, we're getting
01:00:45
chased by a serial killer and they get me leave. Yeah. Go get
01:00:50
help. Oh, you'll either come back and save me or I'll be
01:00:53
dead. It's a win win. Let's go. Let's do it. So true. So true.
01:01:00
Yeah. Alright. Well, fun little holiday holiday flick. Yeah.
01:01:05
Once. Yeah. One time. Yeah. The one time. Yeah. Yeah. I will
01:01:11
say rewatching it. I was like, okay. Yeah. I feel like I
01:01:14
liked it much better the first time I watched it. Yeah. This
01:01:17
rewatch but. That's see that and that's what I was trying to
01:01:19
do is I was trying to get ahead of that and like. Yeah. It's
01:01:22
not it's not gonna be fun the second time. So I don't see
01:01:24
myself ever rewatching it. Yeah. I was gonna say I sit like
01:01:27
the second time as soon as they're like in their bedroom
01:01:30
talking at the very beginning. I was like you little ****
01:01:32
disgusting piece of **** Yeah. Yep. But it was kind of fun to
01:01:39
watch when you know how they're doing everything to see it
01:01:42
afterwards, you know. That's true, I guess. Anyways, enough
01:01:48
about that. Do you wanna predict next week's film? Yes.
01:01:52
Okay. The Black Codes daughter. Exactly. The Black Codes
01:01:59
daughter. Yep. Okay. So, the Black Codes is a pirate. Of
01:02:02
course. Obviously. Uh he's exploring the seas looking for
01:02:06
his daughter. Mm hmm. And he has this first mate that's
01:02:10
like his his like they're not friends because they're they're
01:02:12
perfect like a pirate and a first mate. You know, they just
01:02:15
have the relationship of pirate first mate and it's it's
01:02:17
respect. There's a lot of respect there. Mm hmm. Um you
01:02:21
don't find out until the last act that um the the Black Codes
01:02:28
knew the entire time that the daughter was dead and he was
01:02:32
looking for the dead daughter because there is evidence to
01:02:37
pin the killer on the daughter's body and he also
01:02:43
knows that the killer is the first mate. Oh my god. Yep. But
01:02:52
the first mate doesn't know that the Black Codes daughter
01:02:56
is the person that he killed. Oh. Okay. Okay. He thinks that
01:03:01
they're looking for a live daughter so he has no reason to
01:03:05
be worried. Yep. Killed him. Oh great. Okay. That's what
01:03:10
makes the movie a horror movie is the murder of the one. The
01:03:14
one murder. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Doesn't
01:03:19
it sound fun? That sounds good. Thank you. I'd watch that.
01:03:22
Thank you. Yeah. I'd watch that hard. Yeah. I know. I know.
01:03:27
It's just like third act is all comes together. You know.
01:03:30
Mm hmm. Good. You just see it all. Good payoff. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:33
I like that. That's fun. Yeah. No. No. Yeah. It's not even
01:03:38
piratey. Nope. Not one pirate. Who's the black coat? Uh I'm
01:03:44
not gonna tell you. Okay. You can watch it. Okay. Alright.
01:03:48
I'll watch it. You can watch it and find out. Um I'll just tell you that it was
01:03:52
written and directed by Oscar Perkins. Again? God, I just
01:03:58
can't get rid of this guy. Again? We watched one movie from him.
01:04:02
Well, yeah but he's and he was in a movie that we watched and
01:04:06
he's in what's it called? Legally Blonde which we were just talking about
01:04:11
and wasn't he? He yeah he was in Legally Blonde. Was he in a movie that we
01:04:16
watched? Oh, he was in Nope. Yeah. Yeah, he was in Nope. I forgot about
01:04:19
that. And he's doing the monkey which we're gonna watch at least talk
01:04:23
about. Yeah. I do like a whole episode but
01:04:27
we're get we're getting on the Perkins train. Yeah.
01:04:31
It's been a good five months since we watched a movie
01:04:34
from him. Well, not Nope. That was like a five second camion so.
01:04:41
We gotta get it done. We watched Aster. We watched Peele. We're gonna be
01:04:47
watching Eggers. Full. Yeah. Full works. Time for him? Okay, fine.
01:04:55
Fine. Fine. Twist my arm. Yeah. She says, says the girl who loved
01:05:01
long legs. It was yeah, it was pretty good. It wasn't
01:05:07
it wasn't terrible. Plus, it's winter. It takes place in
01:05:12
winter. It's got winter vibes. So, good. Okay, good. Good. Yeah.
01:05:20
I forgot that we decided that we were picking a winter movie.
01:05:23
Yeah, just like cold, you know, cold atmosphere.
01:05:27
Coat.
01:05:29
Exactly. You gotta wear a coat. That's it. It's about a coat
01:05:37
and it's daughter. Yeah.
01:05:41
Alright. We'll see you next week. We will. We will see you next week for
01:05:46
our last episode of the year. Thank you guys for listening. For two
01:05:52
full years. Yeah. This is it. Too full. Crazy. I mean, it's not it.
01:05:58
Well. But no. The end of the year. Yes. The fourth episode of
01:06:05
season five. Exactly. That everyone keeps track of.
01:06:09
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suggest any movies that you want us to watch in the new year. Yeah.
01:06:25
Old or new movies. And yeah. Old or new. Anything we haven't talked
01:06:31
about. We'll do it. Just let us know. Yeah. We've had one whole
01:06:35
suggestion since we started and we did it. So, true to our word so far.
01:06:40
P2. P2. Well, we also had strangers. That was a suggestion.
01:06:48
Was it? Yeah. You've talked to the person recently that suggested that to us.
01:06:54
Not the strangers. But yeah. The Nicole Kidman movie. That was The Others.
01:07:00
The Others. Sorry. The Others. The Others. You're right. The Others was a
01:07:03
suggestion. I feel like there was one that your
01:07:06
husband made me put on the thing too. But now I can't remember what it was.
01:07:10
Jaws. No. But we haven't watched it yet. No. He didn't ask me to do that one. I
01:07:17
mostly give a silence of the lands. Really? Yeah. I'll have to go through our
01:07:23
DMs and see what it was. I know he asked me to put one of them on and I did.
01:07:27
Anyways, we're just yapping now. But thank you guys for listening.
01:07:32
Really appreciate it. I hope you have a very, very happy holiday season.
01:07:36
Our last episode will come out on the last day of the year.
01:07:41
Wow. But if you're busy and you don't listen to it that day because you have
01:07:45
New Year's plans, totally understand. We'll see you in the New Year.
01:07:47
Yeah. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. You'll hear us say that the next three
01:07:52
episodes. Yeah. At least. At least.
01:07:57
All right. We will see you next week. Bye. Bye.