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In this episode of the Killer Cuties Podcast, Cassidy and Kd dive into the world of horror films, focusing on the original 1933 version and the 2020 remake of The Invisible Man. They discuss the historical context of both films, their impact on the horror genre, and share their thoughts on the characters, plot, and production techniques. The conversation also touches on recent horror news, including updates on upcoming films and the evolution of horror cinema over the decades. In this episode, the hosts delve into the intricacies of the film 'The Invisible Man,' discussing audience reactions to the trailer, shocking scenes, and the clever cinematography that subverts expectations. They explore Easter eggs, character dynamics, and the film's modernization of a classic story. The conversation touches on themes of abuse, censorship, and comparisons to other horror films, culminating in their final thoughts and ratings of the movie.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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Welcome back to Killer Cuties Podcast.
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Happy Season 5!
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Officially.
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Yeah, 101th.
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We're here to talk about the 1933 and the 2020 The Invisible Man.
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We are one of Universal's famous monsters.
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OG.
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Yeah, dark universe.
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Right?
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No.
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I think that's a different thing.
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I think that was like a reboot of them.
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Yeah.
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Because that was, yeah, it was basically a reboot of the original Monsters.
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So, but yeah, I don't think he was ever included in that.
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Yeah.
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Sorry.
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That's okay.
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We're gonna start with some news.
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Horror news, I'll go first.
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I just have two little ones.
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First up, I Know What You Did Last Summer.
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The verified X account, formerly known as Twitter, posted a picture on December 3rd, that's yesterday, at time of filming, confirming that the film is finally under
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production.
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Wow!
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Yes, we got a picture.
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Yeah, seriously.
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We got a picture of a clapperboard and an ominous figure holding like a hook, you know, like the hook from the yeah, the hook.
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And I don't know, it was was it already confirmed that the movie is going to be called the same as it was before?
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It's literally just called I Know What You Did Last Summer.
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Did we know that already?
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OK, well, now we do.
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just...
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That's just a stupid name.
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Yep, it sure is.
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They also still claim that it's releasing this summer, this coming like six months from now.
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So...
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Interesting.
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I believe in them.
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Really gonna pop it out.
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I like it.
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I mean they still don't even have all the cast finalized.
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I'm sure they do, they just haven't probably announced everything yet.
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We'll see.
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If they've started filming, I'm assuming they have the cast locked in.
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Yeah, you'd think.
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They didn't as of a couple weeks ago.
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Well, that we knew of.
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I guess.
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First one for me, the official trailer for the horror comedy Bloody Axe Wound has been released, so we'll link that in the description.
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The plot summary is a teen caught between the demands of her murderous family business and her own personal awakening.
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As Abby navigates the complications of her first crush, she begins to question her family's violent traditions, leading to a clash of bloodshed and identity.
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Wow.
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Yeah, and two people who are going to be in it, who you might know, Jeffrey Dean Morgan from Supernatural and The Walking Dead, and also Billy Burke a la Twilight will be in it.
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Billy Burke a la Twilight!
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What else was he in recently that we were like, yeah, the dad from Twilight.
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He wasn't.
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I said Billy Bryck wrong.
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And then we, yeah.
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Wow, an actual Billy Burke news.
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The actual Billy Burke News, yeah.
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You're welcome.
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Thank you.
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Okay, last one for me.
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Super small.
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I mean fun, but small.
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We got our first look at Jenna Ortega in Wednesday, Season 2.
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They still didn't give us an official release date.
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They just said, see you in 2025.
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But again, the verified X account @ Wednesday Adams posted that production is complete on Season 2 and then they gave us just that single frame of Wednesday
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walking down the stairs of, I don't know if it's the mansion or what, but she looks very Wednesday.
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Yeah, I've yet to see that show.
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Me neither.
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Or me too.
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I also haven't seen it.
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Yeah, I know, I've heard good things.
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Maybe I'll give it a go.
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Yeah, that Lady Gaga song was stuck in my head the whole time.
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It was trending.
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Yeah, which that wasn't even in the show.
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So, TikTok just decided that was the song that would be danced to instead of the one in the show.
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Maybe they'll put it in season two, wouldn't that be funny?
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Yeah, that'd be good.
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little Easter egg for the TikTok teens.
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You can be a TikTok teen.
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It's like, it's a mindset, you know?
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Yeah.
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Okay, last news from me and and all of us actually.
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Everyone in the whole world.
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News ceases tonight.
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If you missed Terrifier 3 in theaters, fear not.
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It's gonna be released for a limited time on December 24th and 25th because it's, you know, a holiday film.
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Wow.
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Yeah, and Coming Soon has reported that these screenings are going to be including an introduction by filmmaker Damien León and an exclusive sneak peek at the behind-the-scenes
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documentary, Art Attack, which is set to release on Screambox next year.
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So it's about the making of.
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So, Terrifier fans, you're getting fed.
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Rerelease and a documentary coming.
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Big news.
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Hope you're not spending time with your family on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.
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Maybe it's a family outing.
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Maybe it's a family full of Terrifier lovers and they're all gonna go see it.
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Yikes.
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Glad I'm not in one of those.
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Anyway, all right, well, we're reviewing two films today.
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The original and 2020 remake of The Invisible Man.
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I'll give a little recap and summary of both.
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The first film came out in 1933.
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It's based on a novel by H.G.
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Wells.
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It stars Claude Rains, Gloria Stewart and Una O'Connor.
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And it was directed by James Whale.
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In this adaptation, Dr.
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Jack Griffin is researching a new drug when he discovers a potion that can make him invisible.
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As he succumbs to insanity as a side effect of the potion, he goes on a violent rampage until he's ultimately apprehended and killed by police.
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This is one of the original Universal Pictures monsters.
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It has had a $328 budget, but only made $27 worldwide.
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Despite some pretty sparkling reviews, it has a 7.6 out of 10 on IMDb
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and an 85 % audience and 95 % critic score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Then just a few years ago, we got the 2020 remake written and directed by Leigh Won-El of Saw fame.
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It stars Elizabeth Moss, Aldis Hodge, and Michael Dorman.
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We just saw Michael Dorman in Triangle.
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This version is about a woman whose ex-boyfriend stages his own suicide in order to stalk and terrorize her using an invisibility suit.
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It's also obviously distributed by Universal Pictures.
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It made 144 million dollars on a seven million dollar budget and it has very similar scores on all of the platforms as the original.
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A 7.1 out of 10 on IMDb and 88 % audience and 91 % critic score on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Nice.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think this is the oldest film we've watched so far.
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I think so.
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Yeah, right?
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1933.
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yeah the old ones I always am like, how old was my grandpa when this movie came out?
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And he would have been nine.
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And I don't remember him being in the single digits.
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I didn't even know they had movies in the 30s.
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They sure did.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, this is definitely an old film.
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Yeah, I wonder what number film it is.
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In the history of film?
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Yeah, because it's probably pretty early.
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What was the first film?
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Wait, we know what the first film was.
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The first film was that horse from Nope.
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That was the first moving, moving capture.
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Yeah.
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The earliest surviving film known today as the Roundhay Garden scene was made in 1888.
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So I was going to say the horse thing was in the 1800s.
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I remember that when we did the episode on Nope.
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So I was like, I think...
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Movies have been around.
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before this movie.
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I don't think it was that early in the history of the films.
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It's not even the oldest horror movie I've seen.
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What's the oldest one you've seen?
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Frankenstein.
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Dracula.
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Cabinet of Dr.
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Caligari.
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That was 1920.
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I've seen that.
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It's a silent film.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, the original Phantom of the Opera is a horror film and that was silent.
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That was probably in the 20s.
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Probably.
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Interesting.
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Speaking of Phantom of the Opera.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of Phantom of the Opera, the main guy in Claude Rains, I think he was in one of the Phantom of the Opera movies.
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Yeah.
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apparently he kinda seems like a dick, right?
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he seems like a dick.
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And kind of the director too, Whale.
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See, I thought he stood up for the reason we say this is Gloria Stewart, who played.
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what was her name?
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Flora.
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Yeah, his fiance in the movie.
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She said that she didn't enjoy working with Claude Rains because whenever they would have scenes together, he like keep backing her up, like moving forward.
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So she had to back up into the scenery.
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And so she couldn't really perform.
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And
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Yeah, the fact I read said that James Whale stepped in and told Rains that he had to share screen time with her, so...
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Yeah, I just read a separate fact about somebody else who was supposed to be playing the main character.
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Who...
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Yes.
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Who got into a fight with...
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What was the story?
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He didn't get into a fight.
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It was more so that James Whale...
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So Boris Karloff was the original choice for the Invisible Man.
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And then James Whale said, no, I need someone who sounds intelligent.
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Or sounds intellectual.
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And Boris Karloff had like a...
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Like a trademark lisp.
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And that's why he said that.
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So that is a little bit fucked up.
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Yeah.
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And that's why he went with Claude Rains, even though the producers weren't really sure about him.
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But...
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Yeah.
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He overacted the least of everyone.
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Yeah, I think that's just like how acting went back then.
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Yeah.
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I'll never understand it.
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How we've come so far.
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Movies are very different now than they used to be.
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And I know it's not very cinema bro of me, but I prefer where we're at now, I think.
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I agree.
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Yeah, I will say though, I bet it was kind of fun to come up with the like innovative for the time at least filming techniques that they did.
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Yeah, and I mean it looked better than I thought it was gonna- this was actually my first time watching it.
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Because I, again, kinda tend to steer away from older movies.
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And yeah, I was expecting it to look way shittier than it did.
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Yeah, I it looks pretty good.
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guess they did.
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They did kind of something similar to green screen, but not exactly.
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Actually, not at all.
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They they just matched up velvet like costuming with velvet velvet backgrounds.
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To kind of get that effective, there was nothing there.
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Yeah, non-digital green screen.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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And it was pretty effective, I mean...
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Yeah.
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I feel like it worked.
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The last scene was a little...
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I mean, they did what they could.
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It was the 1930s.
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For back then, if I had watched his movie in 1930, shook.
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Well, 1933.
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Great heavens!
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That man just reappeared on my television screen.
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Did they even own televisions?
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I don't think televisions were a household thing at that point, right?
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that's what I'm saying.
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Like, how could they have had movies if they didn't have televisions?
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Well, because you went to the cinema.
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You didn't own it at home.
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That was, that'd be crazy, you know?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Wild times.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I did like the like kind of mischievous vibe of the invisible man in the original.
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He was kind of like a little like like he reminded me of Dash from The Incredibles.
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You know?
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Yeah, he was very mischievous.
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It was also much funnier than I thought it was gonna be.
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When he is trying to get Kemp, he's recruiting Kemp basically.
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And he's like, yeah, we're gonna have a reign of terror and we're gonna start with a few murders here and there.
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Like that was so funny to me.
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A few murders here and there.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I thought that that was funnier.
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And also kind of interesting that it gave off that kind of silly, goofy vibe, because he has an insane kill count for even modern horror movies.
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Yes, I mean, one of them was a big group of people, but...
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Yeah, I mean, you derail a train and you're gonna take out, you know, 100 people.
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But still, his total kill count is 122 people.
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Only for directly on screen, but still.
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18 search party members off screen, the derailment of the train, which was 100, and then he dies himself.
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So total death count for the movie is 123, but he himself, 122 people.
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That's a lot.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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Most villains need a franchise to do that.
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Yeah, right?
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If, if then.
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Yeah.
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Oy, oy.
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Speaking of how funny it was, I guess the scenes of Una O'Connor who plays the hysterical woman innkeeper, the wife, you know, towards the beginning.
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James Whale was like laughing every time she was on screen, essentially.
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Said that he had always struggled to control his laughter whenever she was on screen.
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That makes sense.
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I mean, she was very over the top.
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She was pretty funny.
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Yeah, and they all were, but she was like especially over the top.
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Yeah.
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The woman who played the fiancé?
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Yeah.
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Never in a million years would I have known that she's the girl in Titanic or the woman in Titanic.
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She plays old Rose.
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That's crazy.
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I never would have guessed.
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I didn't know that until looking up the facts afterwards.
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Yeah.
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And this was made a year after she became an actress, which two different studios, Paramount and Universal, were fighting to sign her.
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And she literally flipped a coin to decide who to sign with.
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Went with Universal.
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And then by the time this movie came out, even though was one year after she signed,
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It was her 14th film.
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They were pushing them out.
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Left and right.
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That's crazy.
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14 movies in a year is insane.
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Yeah.
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What are you, Nicholas Hoult?
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He's in fucking everything right now.
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He is, and I'm happy for him.
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Yeah.
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I guess the screenwriter, RC Sherriff,
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came to Hollywood specifically to write this film, went to Universal to get a copy of the book so that he could have his source material.
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And they're like, sorry, we don't have a copy of it.
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But we do have several adaptations or treatments, they called them, of the book, if you'd like to look over those.
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And one of them was set on Mars.
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I would like to see it.
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind either maybe a sequel or something a sequel to the new version, the 2020 version.
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Anyway, but he did end up going and finding a copy of the book and supposedly it's really close to the original source material.
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Mm.
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Yeah, I thought about...
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getting it and reading it.
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But I'm gonna be honest, I tried to War of the Worlds, also written by H.G.
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Wells, and I had to DNF.
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And it's not because it's a bad book at all, it's just the difference in the language from when it was written to now, I felt like I was almost reading another language.
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Like, yeah, you know, like a foreign language and it's in English, but it's just, there's so many words that have changed or changed meaning to now that reading a book from what
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the 1800s is just, I tried so hard and maybe I'll give it another go one day, but.
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My brain was not able to function when I tried to read it the first time.
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It's in ye olde English.
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Yeah.
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Ye olde British English too, not even, you know, ye olde American English, which is even harder.
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Yeah.
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That's not even English at that point.
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It's too far removed.
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Some of the sentences felt like that.
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I was, I just book open, Google open.
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What does that mean?
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Crazy.
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Another fun fact I learned about this one is that the invisible man performance inspired Mark Hamill's portrayal of Joker in the 92 animated series of Batman.
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Yeah, that's super fun.
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Little, yeah, little mischievous cackling man.
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Yeah, that's Mark Hamill's The Joker.
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It really is.
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really and truly.
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One of the facts that I liked about the old, well, not the old, the original, it is pretty old.
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Yeah, well, it's gonna enter public domain in like five years.
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It's old.
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But Claude Rains took his daughter Jessica Rains to see a re-release of the movie in, I think it was 1950, and they said it was really, really cold out.
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It was middle of winter.
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It was the middle of the winter, so was really, cold, and he had a hat on and had a scarf around his face, and so you could barely see him, and he went to get tickets, and the
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attendant immediately recognized him because his face was covered and wanted to let him in for free, and he was annoyed at that and insisted on paying full price.
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Wow.
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What a good guy.
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He's responsible for, actually in hindsight, a pretty big margin of the profit because there was not a lot of
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That's true.
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I don't think movies made what they make today though, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, because they weren't as accessible.
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Yeah, they're not going straight to DVD because DVDs did not exist.
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Yeah.
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And how much how much it cost to go to a movie in the 30s?
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A quarter?
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A penny?
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Yeah, but that's like $300 today.
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Shoot.
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I'm kidding, but speaking of that, they did one of the fun facts I read was about the reward that they offer in the movie.
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The police offer a thousand euro for a lead on the invisible man.
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And in 1933, one euro was the equivalent of five US dollars.
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Yeah.
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And so the reward would have been 5 USD back then.
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Taking inflation into account.
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They did a calculation for 2022, but I did a calculation for 2024 and $5 in 1933 would be $122.39 today.
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Wow.
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Quite the jump.
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Yeah, that's really life-changing money.
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Yeah, that's what they were offering!
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Big, big buku bucks to turn in the invisible man.
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Well...
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He was killing hundreds of people.
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Hundred of people.
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A little bit more.
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Hahaha
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Hundred of people.
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Ah shoot.
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Should we rate it?
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You know, we're not even gonna actually talk about the other one.
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Sorry.
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Maybe could rate this one first and then talk about the other one, just make it two completely separate segments, because usually we talk about the first one and then we talk
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about the second one.
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one and then we do it.
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Is that gonna be?
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Well, I guess you're the one that puts the chapter markers on, so I don't even have to worry about that, do I?
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you don't do it.
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I don't do it.
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It's done when I open it up.
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well I meant like putting them into YouTube.
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I mark the chapter.
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Yeah, I mark the chapters when I edit it.
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Because it's real good.
00:22:22
No, the AI chapters are like discussing 1933 inflation.
00:22:28
I'm like, no.
00:22:30
I actually don't want that to be a chapter.
00:22:32
Thank you so much.
00:22:33
but nope.
00:22:36
Ah shoot.
00:22:37
I'm absolutely gonna screenshot when it does that too, because I guarantee that's gonna be a marker.
00:22:43
Now it is, now that we've brought the conversation back to it.
00:22:47
Wait, you don't have any other fun facts?
00:22:50
Not for the old one.
00:22:52
I got lots for the new one.
00:22:54
I have two more, two more, two more.
00:22:57
One, The Invisible Man and the Creature from the Black Lagoon are the only universal monsters that were never used later by Hammer Studios.
00:23:04
Hammer Studios has remade a lot of these movies or done like sequels or spinoffs of them.
00:23:11
So Dracula, Frankenstein, Wolfman, The Mummy, all been remade.
00:23:16
Not this one, not by Hammer.
00:23:19
And then...
00:23:20
Also, this movie does, I don't know if they're direct sequels.
00:23:26
I don't think so.
00:23:27
I think they're just spinoffs.
00:23:28
Like they did the Invisible Woman and, you know, the Invisible Man Returns and all that kind of shit.
00:23:35
But in all of those, he's more of a heroic character.
00:23:38
He's more sympathetic.
00:23:39
He's not really the villain.
00:23:42
And so this was much more like the novel in which he is an actual true villain killing hundred of people.
00:23:50
A hun- hundred of people.
00:23:52
100 of people.
00:23:56
But I thought that that was a good segue fact to lead into the sequel, or the reboot, I guess, where also, pure villain.
00:24:05
Yeah, very much so.
00:24:06
Worse even.
00:24:08
And that was, there was two ways they could have gone with the reboot.
00:24:11
They could have gone comedy.
00:24:14
Absolutely.
00:24:14
Or they could have gone the way they did, which was not at all funny.
00:24:21
No funny.
00:24:22
All right, well, do you want to write the original before we move on?
00:24:25
Let's do it.
00:24:25
Let's do it.
00:24:27
How scary did you think it was?
00:24:29
A one out of five.
00:24:31
It was funny and a little silly.
00:24:36
I did not feel scared.
00:24:39
What about you?
00:24:40
I didn't even think it was funny.
00:24:41
I thought it was silly.
00:24:43
I thought it was funny.
00:24:44
I laughed out loud when he said, a murder here and there.
00:24:48
That's funny.
00:24:49
okay, okay.
00:24:50
That was pretty funny.
00:24:51
Okay.
00:24:53
I don't know.
00:24:53
just, yeah, you just can't convey scary tone in black and white with that sound quality and score.
00:25:04
So one out of five.
00:25:07
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:09
How sexy did you think it was?
00:25:11
I gave it a 1.5.
00:25:14
I like the idea of not having to look at a guy.
00:25:20
Yeah, I don't know.
00:25:21
There's just a little bit of a vibe to it, you know?
00:25:23
Yeah.
00:25:24
Sure.
00:25:26
What did you give it?
00:25:27
I give it a one out of five.
00:25:30
Because the idea of not getting to look at a man but having to hear, like listen to him is so much worse.
00:25:38
Yeah, that's fair.
00:25:39
Yeah, thank you.
00:25:41
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:25:44
A one.
00:25:46
Yeah.
00:25:47
There wasn't anything too crazy.
00:25:48
High kill count, but...
00:25:50
Mostly off screen, so what are you gonna do?
00:25:54
What about you?
00:25:55
kills that many people just stepping on them.
00:25:57
Not that impressive.
00:25:59
I don't know.
00:26:01
The fact that this was rated R is fucking crazy to me.
00:26:04
The fact that we we obviously keep like upping the requirements to rate things R very clearly or we're getting like what's that word?
00:26:15
Yeah, desensitized.
00:26:16
Yeah, well, I mean, think as technology improves, and also what we experience, you're right, we get desensitized.
00:26:26
Whereas when this movie came out, you probably didn't see a lot of that stuff.
00:26:31
But now, movies like Terrifier 3 are Box Office hits, and you've seen it all.
00:26:38
Yeah.
00:26:39
Yeah.
00:26:40
Yeah.
00:26:41
But anyway, I gave it a one out five.
00:26:42
Fucked up.
00:26:44
Yeah.
00:26:45
Overall, what did you think?
00:26:47
I didn't think it was bad bad.
00:26:50
I did think it was The Fly but worse.
00:26:54
Very very similar to the fly.
00:26:56
It's a man doing experiments and they go wrong and he has to hide from everybody until he figures out a way to do it but he doesn't figure out a way to do it and then he dies.
00:27:05
So very similar to The Fly.
00:27:07
I will give it some credit for its historical and pop culture impact and relevance as well as just was a little
00:27:16
ahead of its time in terms of effects.
00:27:21
So overall, but it is old, it's overacted.
00:27:24
I give it a two.
00:27:26
Mmm.
00:27:27
Damn.
00:27:28
of five.
00:27:29
Yeah.
00:27:29
How about you?
00:27:34
I didn't mind this.
00:27:37
Like I said, I thought it was really funny.
00:27:40
I don't think that that was the intent, but I was getting some good giggles here and there.
00:27:47
I'll be honest and say I did watch it on 1.5 speed because it was made in the 1930s.
00:27:55
However, like you said, gotta give it some credit for what it did for cinema.
00:28:01
The special effects,
00:28:03
not as shitty as I thought they were gonna be.
00:28:06
Overall, I gave it a three.
00:28:08
I didn't mind it.
00:28:10
Good.
00:28:11
Yeah, it just didn't capture my attention as much, I don't think.
00:28:16
Yeah, that's I'm not judging.
00:28:22
At all.
00:28:24
I am...
00:28:25
Not on that.
00:28:26
I'm never a defender of old movies.
00:28:30
Sorry.
00:28:32
Alright, should we dive into the remake?
00:28:36
Okay.
00:28:38
I have a scene I'll complain about to start.
00:28:40
love that.
00:28:42
I mentioned it while we were watching it, we watched this one together.
00:28:44
We don't get to do that very often.
00:28:45
It was very special.
00:28:50
The ladder as a gift.
00:28:53
the whole establishing that there's a ladder in the house was not necessary to me.
00:28:58
That was annoying.
00:29:00
Yeah, that didn't bother me.
00:29:01
It very much bothered you.
00:29:04
But I felt like that is just how movies are made a lot of the time, is establishing shots that then lead to something, you know?
00:29:14
right, but a ladder is a very normal thing to have in a house.
00:29:18
Lots of people have ladders of some kind, especially when they have an attic.
00:29:24
So...
00:29:25
But I think the ladder was more so to set up why they had all the paint and all that kind of stuff, more so than just the ladder itself.
00:29:34
It was for the home improvement, which then led to, you know, the paint that she throws on him and that kind of stuff.
00:29:40
So I didn't see it as really.
00:29:43
Annoying like I did.
00:29:44
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:46
It's like the thing in Quiet Place where they're like, don't talk?
00:29:52
He can hear?
00:29:54
No, that was more egregious because they literally everything that they are writing to show you as if it's a book they had already showed us.
00:30:04
We already knew.
00:30:05
That was crazy.
00:30:07
Well, whatever.
00:30:08
I didn't like the ladder scene.
00:30:10
Ss, plural.
00:30:13
I'm sorry that happened to you.
00:30:15
Yeah.
00:30:16
the value of the film.
00:30:18
Yeah, I'll let Leigh know that you just want
00:30:21
no establishing shots at all.
00:30:24
Well, I want establishing shots when they're necessary.
00:30:27
we don't want to know that there's paint until she's throwing it on him.
00:30:31
We don't want to know anything that's in the environment.
00:30:33
Take the pen out, her getting the pen and the sticky stuff.
00:30:36
Take that out, we don't need to know.
00:30:37
She just has a pen.
00:30:40
Also the paint, we already established they were remodeling their house obviously and paint is a very normal thing to keep in your attic.
00:30:48
my god.
00:30:50
Ugh.
00:30:50
Exhausting.
00:30:52
Yeah, I'm sorry.
00:30:56
This was filmed in Australia.
00:30:59
A choice.
00:31:00
Well, Leigh Whannell is from Australia, so he is Australian.
00:31:08
Easy choice.
00:31:11
Yeah.
00:31:15
He has a pretty good American accent.
00:31:17
I didn't know until I watched behind the scenes stuff of Saw, like years and years ago.
00:31:23
But when I first saw him in Saw, I did not know that.
00:31:26
Interesting.
00:31:27
I also forgot that he was in Saw.
00:31:29
Adam!
00:31:30
Yeah.
00:31:31
I forget.
00:31:32
I miss Adam.
00:31:34
Anyways, the whole point of me bringing that up is because pine trees are not native to Australia at all.
00:31:42
And so when she's running through the night among pine trees, no, it was shot at a place where they grow them for furniture
00:31:53
and also have pine trees.
00:31:54
But luckily it was nighttime, so they...
00:31:57
Yeah, I think they're called plantations in Australia, but I don't like that.
00:32:01
So...
00:32:04
Obviously it's not the same as American plantations, but...
00:32:09
But yeah, so there were also pine trees that were in perfect rows.
00:32:13
And so he said that he was very glad that they shot that at night where you couldn't really tell.
00:32:19
Yeah.
00:32:19
I mean, I feel like pines generally grow in pretty uniform rows.
00:32:28
They don't have to be very sporadic.
00:32:30
No, but I also feel like there's a pretty clear difference between a tree nursery growing and a forest.
00:32:39
Yeah, I suppose.
00:32:40
We couldn't tell.
00:32:42
Yeah, because it was dark.
00:32:45
The focus wasn't on that, you know?
00:32:47
yeah, yeah,
00:32:50
The first name of the main character, Cecilia.
00:32:53
I liked this one.
00:32:54
I don't know if this was like intentional or if somebody just decided this later, but, Cecilia is derived from the Latin Caecus, which means blind or eyeless.
00:33:07
And they call her C, like see.
00:33:12
Cause she can't see him.
00:33:14
Yeah, blind see.
00:33:20
See.
00:33:21
That's a good one.
00:33:22
I liked that one.
00:33:22
That one.
00:33:23
a good fun fact.
00:33:27
Yeah, totally.
00:33:29
Speaking of seeing, did you see Billy in the movie?
00:33:32
Yes, I did see Billy in the movie.
00:33:36
I love how you forgot that he was in Saw.
00:33:40
Who, Billy?
00:33:41
No, Leigh Whannell and then there's an Easter egg of Billy from Saw.
00:33:46
It didn't click still.
00:33:48
knew that he directed Saw.
00:33:50
He didn't direct Saw, so...
00:33:55
He wrote it with James Wan, who directed it.
00:33:57
I knew he had a part.
00:33:59
I just didn't know that he a part of the movie.
00:34:02
I just didn't remember that he was in it.
00:34:04
I couldn't tell you what he looks like.
00:34:06
He's the guy in the bathroom with Cary Elwes.
00:34:09
That's not helpful.
00:34:11
I saw that movie so long ago.
00:34:13
Do you wanna have a Saw marathon with me?
00:34:15
Yeah, I've been saying that.
00:34:17
We've been saying that.
00:34:18
Okay.
00:34:19
125th episode.
00:34:21
Saw marathon.
00:34:24
Ranking the Saw.
00:34:25
Are there 11?
00:34:27
No, there's 10.
00:34:28
There's going to be 11 next year, even though they told us it was going be this year.
00:34:34
Who?
00:34:35
Who told you that?
00:34:36
The company that owns them.
00:34:39
Is that Atomic?
00:34:40
That's James Wan.
00:34:42
I don't know if there's, yeah, but he created that after Saw, right?
00:34:45
Lionsgate.
00:34:47
Lionsgate owns Saw?
00:34:50
Weird, who knew?
00:34:51
Google.
00:34:52
Yeah, they usually do.
00:34:55
Yeah.
00:34:56
Anyways.
00:35:00
When the trailer came out for this, people were kind of mad.
00:35:03
Yeah.
00:35:04
They like, you spoiled the whole movie.
00:35:06
And then they saw the movie and they were like, wow.
00:35:09
You didn't spoil the whole movie.
00:35:12
Yeah.
00:35:14
I will say they did.
00:35:16
Horror movies always do this.
00:35:19
They always spoil the best jump scares in the trailer and I'll never understand it, but they spoil the latter one where she pours the paint on it.
00:35:27
That is in the trailer, which I was sad about.
00:35:31
yeah, I think.
00:35:33
the whole brother aspect that comes into play was not obviously included.
00:35:38
So that was probably enough of a twisty sort of plot device that people weren't as mad.
00:35:45
Yeah, that one really got me.
00:35:47
Both throats getting cut really got me.
00:35:51
The sister, I audibly screamed.
00:35:55
Yeah.
00:35:56
It's a very shocking scene.
00:35:59
Just to like establish this like safe scene there like in this busy restaurant.
00:36:04
It's well lit.
00:36:06
Lots of people bumbling around.
00:36:07
The funny little.
00:36:10
Waiter.
00:36:11
That wasn't a jump scare, but that was by far the most shocking scene.
00:36:16
I feel like there was one more.
00:36:17
There was one more big reveal.
00:36:20
the...
00:36:21
her killing him.
00:36:23
Yeah, Yeah, Whannell even has talked about how he likes kind of weaponizing your knowledge of movies against you when you're watching it to kind of subvert your expectations.
00:36:36
So that was one of the things setting up a well lit crowded area where you think you're safe and then having the sister die.
00:36:43
And then also just
00:36:47
all of the scenes, especially the opening scene where it'll pan to areas that are completely empty and then pan back and you expect something to be there or there's a lot
00:36:56
of mirrors and you expect a jump scare, you expect his eyes to open and none of that happens.
00:37:02
And I think it was done really well because I remember the first time I watched this, that's exactly what I kept expecting.
00:37:07
I just kept waiting for him to wake up and he does eventually, but not like at the moment you almost least expect it when you're, you know.
00:37:15
You've already gone through all of that tense opening scene.
00:37:21
Yeah, just kind of back to the trailer.
00:37:23
I did think it was funny that Jason Bloom...
00:37:27
Blum?
00:37:27
Jason Blum?
00:37:28
I'm gonna say his name right.
00:37:29
I swear I will.
00:37:31
Jason, we're on a first name basis, bro.
00:37:33
Figure out how to say your last name.
00:37:35
and Jason we're like this.
00:37:39
But no, Jason Blum admitted that he was pushing for more of the story to be revealed and he was very happy that Leigh Whannell would not let him do that.
00:37:48
So shout out to Leigh Whannell.
00:37:52
Yeah.
00:37:54
Love you.
00:37:55
In a platonic, I don't know you type of way.
00:38:01
To be clear.
00:38:03
The other thing was like the camera angles.
00:38:04
I know you were like explaining how they were meant to make you think someone's gonna be there and then it wasn't.
00:38:12
I also got the exact opposite effect where there wasn't anything there, but you knew that he was there just because of the camera angles.
00:38:20
That was so smart.
00:38:22
Just the way that he was able to do both.
00:38:23
He was able to subvert your expectations.
00:38:26
You think somebody's gonna be there in one scene and then in the next scene, you know something is there.
00:38:30
You know that he is standing there.
00:38:32
Crazy.
00:38:34
Yeah, and they've actually said he's in a lot of those shots.
00:38:39
They just green-screened him out, which was unnecessary to do, but I kind of love that they did it.
00:38:44
Yeah, Oliver Jackson Cohen, who plays Adrian, said, I'm there more often than you think.
00:38:52
Which is so almost just creepy to even think about.
00:38:56
And yeah, Leigh Wannell was like, no, only we know which scenes he's actually in, which ones are just there to...
00:39:04
kind of make you think he might be there.
00:39:06
Crazy.
00:39:08
I love that.
00:39:09
I know.
00:39:12
The scene where I don't know if this is confirmed There's a I wish I had to had time but there's a Director voiceover version of the film Where he's like giving fun facts
00:39:27
throughout the whole film.
00:39:28
What is that called commentary?
00:39:31
Yes And I don't know if this was him saying this or if this is like fan speculation, but anyway in in the scene where
00:39:39
Sydney wakes up and like sprays the man.
00:39:44
It all moves too fast for the one that she sprayed to be the same one that starts attacking her.
00:39:50
So they're both there.
00:39:53
Yeah, I don't know if they've ever come out and confirmed that, but there's a lot of moments like that where it's on rewatches, it's very clear to see that there has to be two
00:40:04
of them.
00:40:08
Yeah, it's that scene because she runs out of the room and then is hit by another.
00:40:12
So he was behind her.
00:40:15
You know, there's times where...
00:40:18
Cecilia's character leaves a place but he beats her to wherever she's going, you know, things like that or she pours the paint on him and then you see the paint in the sink but
00:40:26
he wouldn't have been able to wash it off in time and then he's completely invisible again.
00:40:31
So just things like that where it's...
00:40:34
Yeah.
00:40:36
Yep.
00:40:38
There's also another little...
00:40:40
kinda Easter egg, I guess.
00:40:43
I don't know.
00:40:44
But...
00:40:45
Cecilia accuses Tom of being the jellyfish version of Adrian.
00:40:51
Yeah, and then when Sydney is attacked in the house, she's wearing a shirt with a jellyfish, which is kind of a little nod that it's Tom and not Adrian who's doing that
00:41:01
attack.
00:41:02
Yep.
00:41:03
I like that.
00:41:04
When I actually caught that, the jellyfish shirt, I was like, my God, that's so funny.
00:41:07
Didn't she just say something about a jellyfish?
00:41:09
But still, when she took the mask off and he was telling, was like,
00:41:13
Yup.
00:41:15
Shit.
00:41:20
Armie Hammer and Alex Skarsgard were both up for the titular role.
00:41:30
I wouldn't have minded Alex in it.
00:41:31
I don't I didn't know who is this.
00:41:34
Who is this guy that played Adrian?
00:41:36
Is he he in stuff?
00:41:38
I don't think so.
00:41:40
You are.
00:41:43
Oliver Jackson Cohen plays Adrian and you know him as Luke from The Haunting of Hill House.
00:41:49
He's the adult Luke.
00:41:51
Yep.
00:41:53
the drug addict.
00:41:56
Yes, recovering.
00:41:57
I'm just confirming...
00:42:00
Yeah, sorry, he's a recovering drug addict.
00:42:03
Yes, he's the youngest of the Crane siblings in Haunting of Hill House, the mini-series.
00:42:09
Yes, I remember.
00:42:13
He looked familiar, like in a in the way that most men look familiar because they all are men, you know?
00:42:20
of course.
00:42:21
Mm-hmm.
00:42:23
I was going say in the way that every man on American Horror Story looks the same.
00:42:28
Well, because they do.
00:42:30
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:42:31
Evan Peters and then five of the same looking men.
00:42:35
Correct.
00:42:36
That's weird.
00:42:37
Ryan Murphy definitely has a type.
00:42:42
He sure does.
00:42:44
Ryan.
00:42:45
He must be stopped.
00:42:47
I just wish he was like
00:42:48
a better person.
00:42:50
I was gonna say more consistent, but better in incorporates both.
00:42:56
Yeah, better.
00:42:57
But we're not here talk about him.
00:42:59
No, never.
00:43:01
Except for the one time we were.
00:43:02
Yeah.
00:43:05
something fun for me because Paranormal Activity was kind of one of the first horror movies that ever scared me and I watched.
00:43:16
But Leigh Whannell took a lot of inspiration from the kind of minimal, low budget effects of Paranormal Activity and said that minimalism was very effective and he wanted to kind
00:43:27
of emulate that in this.
00:43:29
And he even went so far as to take inspo from the
00:43:32
with the coffee grounds on the floor from the flower on the floor in Paranormal.
00:43:38
Which was fun!
00:43:39
I noticed that immediately so it was fun to see that confirmed in the fun facts.
00:43:43
Yeah, I mean it makes sense.
00:43:46
Paranormal Activity definitely is an invisible monster type of movie, so.
00:43:51
It's paranormal.
00:43:55
Yeah.
00:43:56
This isn't, this is sci-fi.
00:43:58
Well, yeah, so if you remember, I didn't say that it was.
00:44:05
You said an invisible monster.
00:44:07
This isn't an invisible monster.
00:44:09
This is sci-fi.
00:44:10
with an invisible man who's a monster.
00:44:14
I suppose.
00:44:16
Yeah.
00:44:18
Okay.
00:44:20
He's a monster.
00:44:21
Yeah, but that's why it works.
00:44:23
Because it's like double meaning, you know?
00:44:27
Yeah.
00:44:28
Thank you.
00:44:30
Kind of on that note, I do think that this was a very effective modernization of an old movie.
00:44:36
I agree.
00:44:37
It was a very fun take on the original source material and I really enjoyed that.
00:44:43
Yeah, I feel like it just kind of upped the sci-fi angle of it.
00:44:51
And yeah, the whole idea of it being a camera suit that reflects the environment and does that rather than just, you know, he took a potion and now he's invisible is definitely,
00:45:04
for me, a better idea, just because it is a little bit more grounded.
00:45:13
Yeah.
00:45:14
Yeah.
00:45:15
Maybe a little futuristic for my taste, I get it.
00:45:18
It was fine.
00:45:20
Yeah, I mean, it's, but that's why I think it's more grounded because yeah, it's not something that exists, but it's something that conceivable, it's conceivable in our
00:45:30
current state, you know?
00:45:32
Not that we could actually do that, but just that it's a little bit more.
00:45:36
feet on its ground rather than I mix some chemicals and now I'm invisible.
00:45:41
Yeah.
00:45:42
Yeah, I agree.
00:45:44
There's a couple little Easter eggs for the original film.
00:45:48
Mm-hmm.
00:45:49
One, the password to Adrian's door is 1933.
00:45:55
That's when the original movie came out.
00:45:58
Mm-hmm.
00:46:00
I like that one.
00:46:01
I was trying to figure out what word it spelled, and then I gave up.
00:46:05
yeah, no, it's just the year.
00:46:08
I was like, that has to be something.
00:46:10
They're zooming in on our fingers too much.
00:46:12
That's gotta mean something.
00:46:13
But then I couldn't figure it out.
00:46:16
Yeah.
00:46:18
But then yeah, there's also when Cece's asleep in the bed and Adrian's taking photos of her, she wakes up and she sees the hat and the trench coat on the stand, which is nothing
00:46:27
but it is kind of a nod to the original design that he wears that big trench coat and his hats on.
00:46:34
And then again, when she's in the hospital, there's a patient that gets brought out on a stretcher with his face all wrapped, which is another nod to the original design.
00:46:41
So yeah, just a couple little
00:46:45
Little nods to the 1933 version.
00:46:49
There was an eye to the conjuring too.
00:46:51
Yeah.
00:46:52
The blankie.
00:46:54
Yeah.
00:46:55
Which was another where I was like, this is gonna be a jumpy.
00:46:58
And it wasn't.
00:46:59
And that was almost scarier.
00:47:01
Yeah.
00:47:02
Yeah, this movie's very much a lot of tension and a few jump scares, but not an overabundance.
00:47:10
Yeah, the only one that I knew was coming and it's not even because I saw a trailer was the latter one and I had my little volume down.
00:47:20
I was safe.
00:47:21
I was safe and sound.
00:47:22
Didn't even get me.
00:47:23
Ha ha ha.
00:47:25
Take that, Leigh Whannell.
00:47:30
think that one, I mean it was spoiled in the trailer so I knew it was coming, but I think I would have known it was coming anyway.
00:47:36
I think it was more not about if it was gonna happen, but about how far up the ladder he was.
00:47:46
He was too far up the ladder.
00:47:51
That's funny.
00:47:54
That was about the time where I was like, my God, she's finally going to get somebody to believe her.
00:47:59
And then it took so much longer still for someone to believe her.
00:48:04
was just like, so frustrating.
00:48:07
Very much ties into the whole like abuse thing where she's just begging someone to listen.
00:48:14
Yeah.
00:48:15
If you ever tell me that a man is stalking you but he's invisible, I will believe you.
00:48:21
You're welcome.
00:48:23
I...
00:48:25
Thank you.
00:48:25
I'm just kidding.
00:48:32
I'd believe you too.
00:48:37
Alright, to self, do not go to kd in case of emergency.
00:48:41
I'm joking.
00:48:43
Of course I'd believe you.
00:48:46
You don't believe in ghosts, so if you were like, there's an invisible man, I'd be like, fuck.
00:48:50
Yeah.
00:48:51
You'd come over and I'd see you like sneaking my Ouija board out of my house.
00:48:55
I'm like, kd!
00:48:56
It's not a ghost, it's a guy!
00:49:02
Funny.
00:49:04
another fun fact.
00:49:07
The scene where she's cutting her wrist, trigger warning, should have said that before, but I'll say it now.
00:49:17
Just for posterity.
00:49:20
Had to be cut from the Australian release of the film because that would have made it the American equivalent of NC-17, or guess the Australian equivalent of what in America is
00:49:28
NC-17.
00:49:30
Yeah.
00:49:31
So there's an extended edition in Australia that is just that 30 seconds extra.
00:49:36
Which is crazy because there's actually quite a few deleted scenes.
00:49:39
I watched a bunch of deleted scenes on IMDb.
00:49:42
They're just kind of sitting there on IMDb.
00:49:45
I don't think they would have like added anything, but like you could put those in too.
00:49:49
Yeah, interesting.
00:49:53
They were just like, here's what the Americans got.
00:49:55
Enjoy.
00:49:57
So technically we got to watch the extended edition today.
00:50:00
Yeah.
00:50:02
like, it'd be like when you watch...
00:50:06
It'd be like.
00:50:07
the, it'd be like, it'd be like, no.
00:50:10
It would be like when you watch the PG-13 version of Megan and then you watch the director's cut and it's like the same thing basically.
00:50:22
Yeah.
00:50:24
That was crazy.
00:50:24
Do you remember that?
00:50:26
We watched the director's cut and we were like, yeah, we're like.
00:50:33
Alright PG-13 version down.
00:50:36
Let's watch the gory version.
00:50:41
my god.
00:50:43
Yeah, I hope the second one is a little more...
00:50:46
Little more, you know?
00:50:48
Yeah, I would hope, but they found their audience with PG-13, so I think that they'll probably go for it.
00:50:55
But that's fine, not everything can be for me, you know?
00:50:59
Not that it was, I liked it, but...
00:51:01
all their PG-13 people can go into our movies now.
00:51:06
That's true.
00:51:07
Well, how long did that come out?
00:51:10
Like, not all of them, but...
00:51:12
2022, 2022.
00:51:14
2022.
00:51:14
That's only two years.
00:51:19
Yeah, guess some of them are 15.
00:51:20
You have to be 17.
00:51:22
Gotta be 17.
00:51:23
stupid age.
00:51:25
Why not 18 or 16?
00:51:28
Things happen when you turn 18.
00:51:29
Things happen when you turn 16.
00:51:30
Like, it's the only thing that you have to be 17 to do.
00:51:33
Maybe that's why.
00:51:34
They thought 17's a boring age.
00:51:36
We gotta give them something.
00:51:38
Rated R movies.
00:51:42
My first rated R movie was A-Team, which is not even rated R, but there weren't any R rated movies that I wanted to see, so we just saw A-Team instead.
00:51:52
Yeah.
00:51:53
I think actually my first one was Gran Torino starring Clint Eastwood.
00:51:58
An excellent film about the story of Christ.
00:52:02
Okay.
00:52:06
What?
00:52:09
It is.
00:52:13
I was thinking, you class, racism, but I guess, yeah, Jesus too.
00:52:19
That's fun.
00:52:20
Great.
00:52:21
and racism with Jesus.
00:52:23
There was!
00:52:26
That was 2008.
00:52:28
Yeah, I was pretty old.
00:52:31
You're fifteen?
00:52:33
Really?
00:52:34
So I wasn't that old.
00:52:36
18 didn't come out until I was 18.
00:52:39
Why did you act surprised as if you can't do the math?
00:52:41
Do you know when you were born?
00:52:43
No, I needed you to do it for me.
00:52:46
I hadn't processed it yet.
00:52:48
Yeah, 2008 we would have been 15.
00:52:52
Wow.
00:52:53
think it's crazy that, yeah, that that was your first rated R movie.
00:52:57
Why?
00:52:58
I think my first rated R movie was before I moved to Iowa, which was pre-10.
00:53:06
Yeah, it couldn't have been me.
00:53:07
Yeah, I know.
00:53:08
do remember though my mom took my sister to see Monster starring Charlize Theron because she didn't know what it was about.
00:53:20
And she said that was really uncomfortable because my sister was young.
00:53:24
That movie is about Aileen Wuornos.
00:53:27
killing a bunch of people.
00:53:28
So...
00:53:32
she's like, maybe the most, one of the most prolific female serial killers.
00:53:38
Yeah.
00:53:39
And like, I'm not going to say she was right, but...
00:53:47
Hmm.
00:53:49
We hate men here.
00:53:51
Haha!
00:53:55
Haha
00:53:58
What other fun facts do you have?
00:54:01
I think that's enough.
00:54:04
Yeah, I'm ready to rate it.
00:54:10
well, there's actually one more.
00:54:11
There's one more.
00:54:14
You are physically near him.
00:54:17
Right now.
00:54:18
No.
00:54:19
No.
00:54:21
When he says that in that scene, like, and then he's like, yeah, he's in that urn over there.
00:54:25
But he was probably there.
00:54:28
Actually.
00:54:29
there, yeah.
00:54:30
It definitely adds new meaning to that...
00:54:33
that line.
00:54:35
I agree.
00:54:37
Yeah, but another kind of line that could take on a double meaning once you understand was when Cecilia, Sydney, and James are celebrating because she got the money and she's going
00:54:51
to pay for Sydney's school.
00:54:55
know, Sydney wants alcohol and Cecilia is trying to push James to let her have a glass and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this isn't fair.
00:55:02
It's two against one.
00:55:04
Ooh, yeah.
00:55:05
that's kind of also another little double meaning once you know it's both brothers against Cecilia.
00:55:12
Mm-hmm.
00:55:14
my last fun fact, since you got to throw one last in.
00:55:19
Leigh Whannell talked about how they used, obviously a lot of CGI, they had to edit out an entire person for tons of scenes, but also they tried to use a lot of practical effects
00:55:31
too.
00:55:31
So there'd be, you know, a stunt guy sitting in a cabinet and he'd pull it with a string or something like that.
00:55:38
And he just kind of said,
00:55:40
at end of the day, doesn't really matter how you get it done.
00:55:44
It's just how it looks in the end, you know?
00:55:47
So I liked that.
00:55:48
I liked that they used a mix of it.
00:55:51
There's also a behind the scenes on YouTube of them filming the kitchen scene, the whole fight sequence.
00:55:56
So we can like that too, but it's really interesting to watch seeing the green screen person there with her while they're doing everything is kind of cool.
00:56:07
Yeah, and that's the only thing I had seen about this movie was that on TikTok, them filming in the kitchen.
00:56:15
So I will admit every time she went in the kitchen, was like, something is bad, it's gonna happen.
00:56:22
Yeah.
00:56:23
Ugh.
00:56:25
Well, let's rate it.
00:56:26
Okay.
00:56:27
How scary did you think it was?
00:56:30
I gave it a two.
00:56:30
Because I do remember the first time I watched this, I was very on the edge of my seat.
00:56:35
There's a lot of tense moments.
00:56:37
There's a lot of expecting something to happen, which definitely kind of creeped me out the first time I watched it.
00:56:43
What about you?
00:56:46
Nice.
00:56:48
Mm-hmm.
00:56:50
No.
00:56:52
And then interestingly, I just thought I would note, there was a scene in this that reminded me of that scene in Annihilation that really fucking gets me.
00:56:59
The bodysuit scene, you know?
00:57:01
The green, you know, like, that's what you call it.
00:57:05
I genuinely think it's the music in Annihilation that made it so scary because in this it was not scary to see him in his little suit.
00:57:14
That just didn't bother me.
00:57:16
anyway, I gave it a 2.
00:57:19
That's exactly how I would deal with him.
00:57:23
you and your little suit.
00:57:26
That would honestly probably really hurt him.
00:57:29
He's a man with big feelings.
00:57:31
He is.
00:57:32
He does not know how to handle them at all.
00:57:35
Alright, how sexy did you think it was?
00:57:38
I gave it a two for Aldis Hodge only.
00:57:41
I gave it a 1.5 for him only.
00:57:44
But not because he's not sexy, just, you know, I usually give 0.5 per person that's sexy.
00:57:50
That's fair.
00:57:50
That's fair.
00:57:51
Yeah, he's real good looking.
00:57:54
He is very good looking,
00:57:56
Yeah, and I didn't know he was Alex Cross.
00:57:59
Ray, is that who he is?
00:58:00
Alex Cross?
00:58:01
I have no idea.
00:58:02
I don't know as though I've ever seen him in anything else.
00:58:05
No, that's not true.
00:58:06
He's in Hidden Figures.
00:58:08
But I saw that movie once, like when it came out.
00:58:11
So I don't really remember a lot about it except for like Taraji P.
00:58:15
Hansen and Octavia Spencer's performances, were incredible.
00:58:20
on TikTok.
00:58:21
as much as it's like exactly my cup of tea, but.
00:58:25
does kind of seem like a movie you would enjoy.
00:58:28
Yeah, I've enjoyed everything I've seen of it, which is I think probably two thirds of it.
00:58:32
Great.
00:58:34
How fucked up did you think it was?
00:58:38
Sorry.
00:58:39
I thought it...
00:58:40
Yeah.
00:58:43
Gotta keep going for the rest of this.
00:58:45
No, I thought it was gonna sneeze, so I was like trying to stop it before it came out.
00:58:53
What did you...
00:58:53
Fucked up.
00:58:54
I gave it a 1.5.
00:58:57
The 0.5 is just for the...
00:59:01
The abuse aspect.
00:59:02
That's very uncomfortable to watch.
00:59:05
Yeah.
00:59:07
Yep.
00:59:08
What about you?
00:59:09
I gave it a 2.5.
00:59:11
Yeah, for the fact that I would not put it past a man to do this.
00:59:17
I think if there were a man who was smart enough to make that suit, I think if my- if my abusive ex was smart enough to make that suit, he absolutely would have been fucking
00:59:24
trailing me around.
00:59:25
I know it.
00:59:27
He was putting trackers on my fucking car.
00:59:29
Yep.
00:59:29
Yeah, men would do that and that's fucked up.
00:59:31
And then just Elizabeth Moss's portrayal of like the grief and the anxiety and the paranoia was like very good.
00:59:44
Yes, she's very good.
00:59:47
Crazy.
00:59:48
I don't understand it, I never will.
00:59:50
Yeah, well, you gotta experience abuse to be able to portray it very well, so...
00:59:55
Yeah, 2.5.
00:59:57
I don't even think she knows.
00:59:58
She doesn't think it's a cult though.
01:00:01
But yeah, that's a very fair point.
01:00:04
you know, not that everybody needs to know my business, but I've never been in this situation.
01:00:09
So I'm sure I would find it a lot more fucked up if I had been in a similar situation with her for sure.
01:00:16
Also, fun fact, I don't think that this is ever confirmed either, but the theory is that he tracks her using
01:00:23
the shot collar that she took off the dog and put in her purse at the beginning.
01:00:27
Yes, I saw that.
01:00:28
I know, which I thought was interesting because that was always a question that I had, was how did he know that she was there?
01:00:34
Because the note that she got for the inheritance was already in the mailbox before the sister got there.
01:00:43
Because the idea is that he tracked her through her sister, but it was already there, so he already knew she was there.
01:00:50
Anyways.
01:00:50
Yeah, hard to say, hard to say.
01:00:52
They did make a big to-do about her taking the collar off and putting it in her purse.
01:00:58
Yeah, which at first watch I just thought that was she was just trying to be nice because like, I think I felt like it was just kind of another nod to the abuse that she was facing
01:01:07
was he also, you not that a shock collar is inherently abusive to a dog, but like the idea of that, you know.
01:01:15
Anyways, overall, what did you think of the remake, reboot?
01:01:20
Whatever you want to call it.
01:01:21
reboot, I'd say.
01:01:23
It's so good.
01:01:25
Such twists, such turns.
01:01:29
Girl power, the power of friendship.
01:01:34
just incredible performances by everyone.
01:01:37
Very effective and creative use of cinematography, like the camera stuff was just very incredible.
01:01:43
super fun watch.
01:01:44
I would recommend it to literally anyone, whether you're a horror fan or not.
01:01:46
I gave it a four and a half.
01:01:50
I really, really liked it.
01:01:51
Yeah.
01:01:52
Yeah, what about you?
01:01:54
I give it a four.
01:01:56
I do really love this movie.
01:01:58
I think it's fantastic.
01:01:59
The performances are fantastic.
01:02:01
I think I have little bit, like some plot issues with it, but not enough to really detract from it.
01:02:08
Like him just like...
01:02:09
I think he either was at the house with his brother while that was happening, which I think we know because she wakes up, sprays him, and then gets attacked again, somehow
01:02:19
makes it back to his house, ties himself up in his home.
01:02:23
I don't know, that whole part was a little bit messy for me, but it really doesn't take away from the experience.
01:02:29
It's a movie.
01:02:30
Who gives a shit?
01:02:30
You know what I mean?
01:02:31
So I'm willing to excuse it because otherwise it's a very well shot, well acted.
01:02:38
interesting, creepy movie that I really enjoyed watching.
01:02:42
Definitely one of the better remakes.
01:02:44
yeah, I mean I like this much more than the original.
01:02:48
Well, yeah, of course.
01:02:50
the original is a product of its time, you know?
01:02:52
I respect it.
01:02:53
Yeah.
01:02:54
Very much a product of its time.
01:02:57
alright.
01:02:58
Would you survive either of them?
01:03:00
yeah, we didn't do that for the first one.
01:03:02
I know, I kind of forgot, but we can do it now.
01:03:04
Would you survive it?
01:03:08
Yeah, I think the first one.
01:03:10
I'm not one of the people that are like getting in his way, you know?
01:03:16
He...
01:03:16
Well, yeah, I'm not on a train.
01:03:18
That's for fucking sure.
01:03:22
Yeah.
01:03:24
Which is funny because I was literally just talking to...
01:03:26
Yeah, I was just talking about how much I like going on a train.
01:03:31
But not in the 30s I'm not on a train.
01:03:32
I'm on a train when I have like a sleeper cabin to myself and they're bringing me food and I'm eating and sleeping and watching the ocean go by.
01:03:41
Anyway, yeah, and then for the new one, I'd say I'm living.
01:03:47
Not a lot of people die, so only the bad guys die, I think.
01:03:56
Yeah, so I'm alive.
01:03:58
How about you?
01:03:58
like it.
01:04:00
Yeah, I think the original, I'm good because like you said, I'm not really getting involved.
01:04:05
I think if there's an invisible man running around, I'm gonna lay low and I'm gonna hope they apprehend him.
01:04:16
And then for the remake, I hope so because he doesn't really, I mean, there's a couple of times he attacks her.
01:04:28
I don't know, to me his, I think his plan was always to kind of frame his brother and to like get her back.
01:04:35
And I'm killing him in the end, just like she did.
01:04:38
That was the move.
01:04:39
That's what I'd do.
01:04:41
No question.
01:04:42
So I think if that's the plan and I make it there, I'm doing exactly what she did.
01:04:48
Committing a murder.
01:04:50
Yep.
01:04:51
Smartly.
01:04:52
Yeah, correctly.
01:04:53
There's no doubt in my mind that that was the correct course of action that she should have taken.
01:05:00
James agreed.
01:05:00
The power of friendship.
01:05:04
Yeah, you could see it too.
01:05:06
He's like, shit, my best friend just killed someone.
01:05:12
And I'm not going to say a word.
01:05:18
As you should.
01:05:21
okay.
01:05:22
Fun.
01:05:23
Yeah, good pick.
01:05:26
I didn't know, honestly, I didn't know this was like one of the classic like monster films.
01:05:33
So yeah, super fun.
01:05:35
I thought we were gonna be watching a movie from like the 80s, 90s and then one from 2020.
01:05:40
So it was a fun, fun surprise to see the 30s pop up.
01:05:45
Get to watch it in the internet archive.
01:05:47
What do mean?
01:05:48
I didn't originally have this on the schedule, but I switched it because I originally had it chapter one and two, the new ones, but I pushed those back because we just did
01:06:00
Terrifier and I was like, that's too many killer clowns in one go.
01:06:05
So yeah, because of the Terrifier release, which we wanted to do around the time of the third one, I was like, well, we'll do that and then.
01:06:12
I pushed it chapter one and two until a couple months from now, so you'll still hear us talk about it.
01:06:18
Don't worry.
01:06:19
Yeah, I could have used a clown cleanse, but that's okay.
01:06:25
That's all right.
01:06:25
This is better.
01:06:26
Probably.
01:06:26
I'm It was really good.
01:06:29
So.
01:06:31
It was, yeah, very good.
01:06:33
All right, you have already read the book for next week's movie, so.
01:06:40
the plot?
01:06:41
Sure.
01:06:43
Okay, next we're gonna be talking about the new movie, Night Bitch, which came out last Friday, if you're listening to this on Tuesday of release.
01:06:57
So yeah, this Friday when we're filming.
01:07:00
But yeah, Night Bitch starring Amy Adams.
01:07:03
And I do kind of know a little bit about it.
01:07:06
So I think it's about...
01:07:08
Amy Adams is an artist, I think, and she decides she's going to be a full-time stay-at-home mom instead.
01:07:16
She's going to take a break.
01:07:19
And so she does that.
01:07:21
But then I think she starts.
01:07:24
losing time at night so like she'll wake up and like stuff has happened or like she'll wake up with dirt on her and be like what happened you know what's going on and then i
01:07:34
think what's happening is that she's acting as though she's a dog at night
01:07:41
I think that that's what's happening because the stress of being a stay at home mom and being kind of secluded from people, not being able to be involved as much, like she has to
01:07:54
be, I think it's like a feminist take on the pressures of being a sole parent, basically.
01:08:00
That's what my gather from it is that it's a very mom based movie.
01:08:09
So I'm assuming this kid is, I'm gonna guess it's like a baby and it's crying all the time and very needy and she's not getting enough sleep and then the pressures of that make her
01:08:19
act dog-like.
01:08:22
Yes?
01:08:23
Great!
01:08:24
I did it!
01:08:27
Yeah.
01:08:28
Wait, really?
01:08:29
Kind of.
01:08:30
In the right vein.
01:08:32
I mean, it feels like you watched the trailer.
01:08:35
I didn't watch the trailer though.
01:08:37
That's what it feels like.
01:08:38
I did read the little synopsis and I saw the poster and it's called Night Bitch.
01:08:47
So...
01:08:49
At night, she's a bitch.
01:08:51
It makes sense.
01:08:52
dog.
01:08:55
I'm excited though.
01:08:56
It's supposed to be a comedy, right?
01:08:58
Yeah.
01:08:59
The book's hilarious.
01:09:01
Yeah, I wanted to read the book and you told me not to.
01:09:03
Yeah.
01:09:04
I mean, you can.
01:09:06
You can.
01:09:06
You're more than welcome to.
01:09:07
I just...
01:09:09
To your point, I just don't think it'll be as...
01:09:11
To one of the points that you made, I won't tell you which.
01:09:14
I just don't think it'll be as funny to you as maybe it was to me.
01:09:18
I think the only possible point that I could have made is that it's about motherhood.
01:09:22
That feels like the thing I mentioned that you've experienced that I haven't, unless you act like a dog at night.
01:09:30
Which, I have spent some nights with you, so I feel like I would know, but...
01:09:34
I guess it's true.
01:09:36
Have you ever seen me at night?
01:09:37
You see me sleeping?
01:09:39
We've shared hotel rooms, so yes.
01:09:41
Absolutely, I have.
01:09:43
right.
01:09:47
Yeah.
01:09:48
Alright, well, thank you for listening to our episode on The Invisible Man.
01:09:52
Both of them.
01:09:54
The invisible men.
01:09:56
Dos.
01:09:58
Yeah, thank you for listening.
01:10:00
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01:10:11
And...
01:10:13
We'll see you next week when we talk about Nightbitch.
01:10:15
See you then.
01:10:17
Bye!